Real-World Trade-In Values

stickguy

son and I drove a 230i earlier this week, with same drivetrain. It moved. Quickly. Not sure how much more the 4 series weighs, but probably not enough to make that much difference.

and if nothing else, should get better MPG!

qbrozen

breld said:

Was the SQ5 quicker in the reviews you found, or the 428 slower?  Or both?  Just curious.  

R&T shows the 428 at 5.7 secs and MT shows the SQ5 at 4.8 and then 4.4 when broken in.

kyfdx

C&D shows 5.2 and 5.5 for the two vehicles, but that 5.2 just seems wrong for the SQ5.
I'd guess that R&T numbers are closer to real-world.

stickguy

I know that Roadburner considers both to be dangerously slow, but to me, any of those numbers (and the cars in real world) are plenty fast! Not sure where you can even use 100% of the power on either one.

breld

I will admit that after having the S4 and then the SQ5, I'm becoming a bit addicted to that power and acceleration. Not that the 428i is slow by any means, but there is a different "feel" (for lack of better words) to how the car propels itself.

Not to mention the sound of the engine of the SQ5 was intoxicating.

Having said that, I very much appreciate the efficiency of the BMW 4 cylinder, and the fun of pushing it more to its limits to quickly accelerate - and it makes good sounds too, just not as nice as the SQ5.

stickguy

I give it 3 weeks.

roadburner

stickguy said:

I know that Roadburner considers both to be dangerously slow, but to me, any of those numbers (and the cars in real world) are plenty fast! Not sure where you can even use 100% of the power on either one.

Here are my dividing lines:

Slow: Over 6.5 seconds 0-60, over 15.0 seconds in the 1/4-mile
Average: 4.0-6.5 seconds 0-60, 12.6-15.0 seconds in the 1/4-mile
Fast: Under 4.0 seconds 0-60, under 12.5 seconds in the 1/4-mile

For what it's worth, three cars in my garage are slow- and two are average...

breld

Wow! I would think anything with a "4" in front of it would be fast, but just gets edged out for average in your dividing lines!

Naturally, how fast a car is is but one measure of it's fun to drive score - the 318ti in your fleet being a great example of that, huh?

Michaell

breld said:

Wow! I would think anything with a "4" in front of it would be fast, but just gets edged out for average in your dividing lines!

Naturally, how fast a car is is but one measure of it's fun to drive score - the 318ti in your fleet being a great example of that, huh?

That's my thinking - how much of the performance can you use regularly?

Went to pick up dinner tonight and decided to floor the Jetta from a light. Couldn't tell you the time from 0-60, but it felt quick enough through the butt-ometer.

roadburner

breld said:

Wow! I would think anything with a "4" in front of it would be fast, but just gets edged out for average in your dividing lines!

Naturally, how fast a car is is but one measure of it's fun to drive score - the 318ti in your fleet being a great example of that, huh?

Sure, straight line performance is just one factor. The nice thing about the ti is you have to keep the motor within its relatively narrow power band to make any semblance of rapid progress.
My point is that the horsepower wars have scrambled the categories quite a bit; back in 1994 my Dinan-chipped M6 was seldom bested at the Stoplight Grand Prix- and it could barely break into the mid-fourteens in the 1/4 mile. Today that's nothing. You could argue that a 0-60 under 4.5 second and a 1/4-mile ET of under 13 seconds is fast and I wouldn't take much issue with you, but there are a LOT of cars that would then fall into that category.

Mr_Shiftright

stickguy said:

I give it 3 weeks.

I'd like a piece of that, too.

breld

3 weeks?

I guess I haven't earned any more benefit of doubt than that.

Mr_Shiftright

Anyone else going short here?

mc4nam

What do you think about $23,000 for a used 2016 EX-L V6 sedan with Navigation with 20k miles?
Personal car ..one owner via CarFax. Bought 9/2015

28firefighter

mc4nam said:

What do you think about $23,000 for a used 2016 EX-L V6 sedan with Navigation with 20k miles?
Personal car ..one owner via CarFax. Bought 9/2015

You'll need to provide color, location, and transmission information.

Michaell

mc4nam said:

What do you think about $23,000 for a used 2016 EX-L V6 sedan with Navigation with 20k miles?
Personal car ..one owner via CarFax. Bought 9/2015

Color - inside and out?

Location?

Condition?

qbrozen

color combo? I assume no accident history.
What number is $23k? If the purchase price, that is very cheap. Would probably pull high $21s up to $22k at auction, as long as there is nothing wrong and a nonoffensive color.

qbrozen

28firefighter said:

mc4nam said:

What do you think about $23,000 for a used 2016 EX-L V6 sedan with Navigation with 20k miles?
Personal car ..one owner via CarFax. Bought 9/2015

You'll need to provide color, location, and transmission information.

No such thing as a manual trans V6 Accord anymore. That was a short-lived experiment.

28firefighter

qbrozen said:

28firefighter said:

mc4nam said:

What do you think about $23,000 for a used 2016 EX-L V6 sedan with Navigation with 20k miles?
Personal car ..one owner via CarFax. Bought 9/2015

You'll need to provide color, location, and transmission information.

No such thing as a manual trans V6 Accord anymore. That was a short-lived experiment.

You know, I had a quick thought after I clicked "Post Comment" as to whether a manual transmission Accord existed anymore...

stickguy

it does exist. Just only with the 4 cyl on the sedan.

V6 stick can still be had on the coupe.

mc4nam

Sorry. White with Tan Leather. Texas. One owner on CarFax, 6 Speed Automatic Sedan. Looks really clean via pictures. $23,200 includes all dealer fees but before TT&L OTD price should be about $24,850 with 6.25% tax in Texas.

mc4nam said:

What do you think about $23,000 for a used 2016 EX-L V6 sedan with Navigation with 20k miles?
Personal car ..one owner via CarFax. Bought 9/2015

qbrozen

Good color combo. Good deal.

mc4nam

qbrozen said:

Good color combo. Good deal.

Thanks. My only concern is 20k miles in 1 calendar year according to carfax? But it is a 6 speed, non CVT V6 Auto from Honda...Should be OK right? Also, would you spend the money to have a mechanic check out? It is not certified at a large Toyota dealership.

stickguy

well, if I was looking right now, I would grab it up. Strong deal, if you want one.

qbrozen

No checkup needed, IMHO. 20k miles is not crazy. I drive that much and my wife drives even more. Its still under warranty in any case.

gooddeal2

mc4nam said:

What do you think about $23,000 for a used 2016 EX-L V6 sedan with Navigation with 20k miles?
Personal car ..one owner via CarFax. Bought 9/2015

That's a huge depreciation if the car is clean.

tommister2

I'd like to get a trade in value for my 2012 Honda Pilot EX-L 4x4
Located in Virginia
White with gray leather
Very clean. Garage kept, no accidents. Tires have about 8k miles on them.
It does not have NAV or RES.
About 48k miles.

Hopefully that's everything, but let me know if I've missed a detail. Thanks in advance.

qbrozen

About $19k

carperso

Did post this before. Did not sell at that time. Just checking the market.

2014 Audi A6 3.0 T
Premium plus
Metallic white
Black interior
sport, bose, side assist package 19 inch wheels
New england area
2 rear end accidents on carfax. No frame/structural damage
45k miles.

TIA. Appreciate it

qbrozen

$25.5k-$26k if it did not have the accidents. Still can't tell you what it is worth now. My total WAG is $20k-$21k.

tommister2

Thanks @qbrozen

carperso

qbrozen said:

$25.5k-$26k if it did not have the accidents. Still can't tell you what it is worth now. My total WAG is $20k-$21k.

Thanks. What is WAG?

qbrozen

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Michaell

qbrozen said:

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Numbers pulled from one's behind.

carperso

Michaell said:

qbrozen said:

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Numbers pulled from one's behind.

Haha. Lol. That was totally unexpected.

carperso

qbrozen said:

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Thanks. 5k loss for the accidents. Thats steep. Will carmax be any better?

explorerx4

Clean history vehicles seem to be the new normal.
My 2013 Fusion had a couple of minor accidents(new front fender and rear bumper cover).
Definitely took a hit at trade in time. Better to be prepared for the worst, hold out for more.

qbrozen

carperso said:

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Thanks. 5k loss for the accidents. Thats steep. Will carmax be any better?

carperso said:

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Thanks. 5k loss for the accidents. Thats steep. Will carmax be any better?

I honestly don't know. 20% is my personal feeling about bad carfax reports. I have seen people get almost no deduction for previous accidents. It is an Audi, however, so I'd wager you will see some deduction of some sort. All you can do is try.

Mr_Shiftright

Some brands seem to suffer more from bad CARFAX than others. While it is true that as age and mileage increases, the value "hit" diminishes, I think 2014s are still sensitive to reports of damage.

mc4nam

mc4nam said:

Sorry. White with Tan Leather. Texas. One owner on CarFax, 6 Speed Automatic Sedan. Looks really clean via pictures. $23,200 includes all dealer fees but before TT&L OTD price should be about $24,850 with 6.25% tax in Texas.

mc4nam said:

What do you think about $23,000 for a used 2016 EX-L V6 sedan with Navigation with 20k miles?
Personal car ..one owner via CarFax. Bought 9/2015

Same Car but a Touring Model instead of EX-L. White with Tan interior as well. It has 23000 miles though. CarFax and Autocheck is clean. Personal Lease vehicle. $24,500 before TT&L but includes all dealer fees.

Yes it is $1500 more than the EX-L but it is a Touring and it is 11 miles from my house where the other car is 200 miles away.

qbrozen

Touring is about $24k-$24.5k at the block, so that is also a great deal.

stickguy

I would jump on either one if I was shopping right now. lots of car, for a budget friendly price. And the V6 is seriously quick too.

mc4nam

qbrozen said:

Touring is about $24k-$24.5k at the block, so that is also a great deal.

stickguy said:

I would jump on either one if I was shopping right now. lots of car, for a budget friendly price. And the V6 is seriously quick too.

Looks like they have some other fluff I wasn't prepared for. OTD price in Texas is $26,950. Seems like price is really $25,300 not $24,500. Still a great deal or just good now?

qbrozen

I'd say good deal. $26k would be fair, and you are beating that.

xwesx

Also, consider that you can always offer $24,500 and see how they respond. Maybe that $800 isn't an insurmountable gap.

mc4nam

xwesx said:

Also, consider that you can always offer $24,500 and see how they respond. Maybe that $800 isn't an insurmountable gap.

qbrozen said:

I'd say good deal. $26k would be fair, and you are beating that.

I test drove car today. They just got it in and it was terribly dirty. They haven't detailed it yet. The headliner was terribly dirty. He was confident his detail guys could get it all clean. I told him I would come back and look at it once it is clean. It drove great though. 278 Horsepower 6 speed auto really is a lot of engine. Felt great!

henryn

Ehhh... "Terribly dirty" ?? Man, I don't think so. That would leave me with a really bad feeling about the car, and the way the last owner treated it.

mc4nam

henryn said:

Ehhh... "Terribly dirty" ?? Man, I don't think so. That would leave me with a really bad feeling about the car, and the way the last owner treated it.

Yea. I may have to run from it. It was a lease and the guy jumped out of it after a year. That light tan headliner was just really dirty. Somebody didn't wash there hands I guess.

stickguy

double edge sword seeing a car before it got cleaned up. Can turn you off a great deal on a solid car. Most of those look like new creampuffs on the front row probably started out like this one. and once the detailers work their magic, is likely to sell quick.

key to me, it drove great and is priced well. Trading out of the lease, that usually has nothing to do with the quality merits of the particular car. You can always have them pull the service/warranty records to verify it was taken care of, and does not have special needs.

if anything, the dirty was your opening to hit them with a lowball!

mc4nam

stickguy said:

double edge sword seeing a car before it got cleaned up. Can turn you off a great deal on a solid car. Most of those look like new creampuffs on the front row probably started out like this one. and once the detailers work their magic, is likely to sell quick.

key to me, it drove great and is priced well. Trading out of the lease, that usually has nothing to do with the quality merits of the particular car. You can always have them pull the service/warranty records to verify it was taken care of, and does not have special needs.

if anything, the dirty was your opening to hit them with a lowball!

Car Fax shows that all the maintenance was done. The story was the previous owner worked at a Honda dealership and a long commute to and from the dealership. He upgraded to an Infiniti Qx70. The sales guy swears there is nothing he could do to get below $26,900 OTD. The car just hit there lot hence why it hasn't been cleaned.