Any Questions for a Car Dealer?

jhs70

OK, since I started this thread, let me tell you where "the deal" is: facts='05 titan KC; MSRP=35340, mileage=40xx; sale price (which includes rebate)=27850. OTD=28800. This is the LE with big tow and off road. No dvd, tv, or where am I gadgets.

Unknown details: smokers truck? dents? scratches? french fries in the shifter? where does the warranty start?

I'll let you know what I find out. If everything checks out I can't help but feel this is a pretty good deal.

Thanks.

krs1

I am planning on buying a 2006 ODY EX-L RES.... I am now seriously considering a 2006 ODY EX-L with RES & NAV (on the fence if getting the ODY with also Navi is worth it)

I will need 2 wireless head sets, but do not see them listed as accessories and the pricing of these were not indicated on the Honda website...

Questions:

1. Can I ask for an extra headset and would a dealer give me one?

2. I plan on asking for one as part of the OTD price I will be offering or should I wait to we agree on price then ask to get another one?

2. How much $ are they if I have to come out of pocket to get one?

3. How much are they @ Dealer cost?

Dealer advice REALLY appreciated...... in addition to all others who would like to reply (your valuable from a consumer perspective)

danf1

1. You can ask for anything so long as you are prepared for the possibility of hearing "no".

2. Ask after you agree to numbers.

I am not a Honda dealer, so I have no idea what they cost.

geo9

EDMUNDS dismal long term test on the titan...........

For some fun...... read the test on the ridgeline.(4 blown out struts!)

isellhondas

These do come with TWO wireless headsets. I've never had a customer want additional ones so I really have no idea what they cost.

Nothing is free. If you ask for additional headsets to be included, somoene will have to pay for them. Just like anything else.

canes04

I'm looking for some leasing advice on a new Mercedes R3350 that I'm picking up this week. cost of vehicle = 62k + fees
term= shortest possible ....probably 39 months or shorter
mileage= 10-12k / year
0 down

stickguy

Pricing, or other? best I can offer is be prepared to pay a lot!

Anyway, 36 months still seems to be standard, although 39 pops up quite often. If you want, you can go 24 or 30 months, but your monthly payment will be higher. Mileage should be based on what you need of course.

Good idea to put zero down, just make sure it comes with GAP insurance.

Kirstie_H

Hi canes04, if you're looking for monthly payment advice, you'll need to post specific info, like the MSRP of the vehicle and the city/state where you're leasing.

canes04

thanks for responding.

what should the best deal out there be right now......Is there anything I can negotiate?

canes04

here's the specifics:

MSRP $61,740
area= suburban Philadelphia
been quoted 39 mos/10,000 0 down $2,140 inception fees

please help.

stickguy

Well, everything is negotiable, but with leases the key points usually become cash at inception, and monthly payments. Most people don't care how the dealer backs into the numbers (although they probably should).

There is a leasing thread on the smart shoppers board where the host will list out lease programs, so try there too. You will need to post all relevant details, including:

MSRP
Cap cost
DP/fees/mileage allowed
money factor (a biggie)

Also check the ML prices paid thread (if there is one) to see what others seem to be paying.

Beyond that, the best way I have found to compare is to visit other dealers (not that we have a lot in this area, since I am in the Phila burbs also), and get quotes on the identical car.

kyfdx

What the heck is an R350? A mini-van?

Is this model even out, yet?

regards,
kyfdx

Kirstie_H

Mercedes-Benz R-Class Large Wagon

robr2

...and you call yourself a host. :P

canes04

hi kyfdx:

you helped me out on a z4 a couple of months ago.....how about some leasing help on the R350?

leslie19hb

What are usually slow months? I hear that winter months are pretty slow, so, it is usually slow during the holiday seasons or closer to the end of the winter?
Would you say that the holiday season is a good time to get a good deal because salespeople need the money and people can't usually spend much money in cars during this time?
I am looking to buy a Honda, but I am not sure if Honda has any slow seasons!!
Thanks

audia8q

The best time to buy is when your ready....I've seen alot of folks try to time the market and end up with a car they don't really like..."but they got a deal".

Hot cars never seem to have a slow time....So if your looking to get a new civic for $50 over invoice I don't think that will be happening this year....but with something like an Accord...Right now may be a good time. I can't speak for everyone but when major news events happen we get slow....We still have objectives to hit and when it gets slow towards the end of the month dealers will get more aggressive with sales.

Traditionally December can be slow but the week between christmas and new years is always huge for us. We make a month in a week. If your up here in snow country....walk in the day before a blizzard in Jan. and I suspect we would bend over backwards to make a deal.

kyfdx

Try asking your question here:

Mercedes-Benz R-Class Lease Questions

Someone far more knowledgeable than I am.. (which shouldn't be too hard to find..lol).. will be along to answer your questions..

regards,
kyfdx
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ramped

December is a great time to buy because you have an opportunity to pick up a current model year car at a great discount, unlike the end of the model year sales in July and August when you are buying a car that is essentially one model year old.

Most manufacturers run huge end of the year campaigns as well (Lexus' "December to Remember" is a big one), and many dealers are trying to make annual and quarterly goals. Honda is right in there with them trying to move cars at the end of the year.

dino001

I generally agree. I would add it depends on what do you want:
1. "a" car (no specific attachment to anything) - go with popular of model-year end sales. If start bit earlier, you get better selection, if later, you can pick up and extra $500-1000 bucks, unless nobody wants it than you may get even better deal. But why would you want something nobody wants?
2. "the" car (very specific with very specific options/color): I would try figure out the model cycle, which gets more and more difficult (all those mid-year intros), subtract 3-4 months, make special order with predetermined price. When it arrives, it will be close to year end, so chances are there are some customer incentives. But it ain't bullet-proof: a friend of mine never got his Mazda, after three months we made a few jokes about him getting a map and putting pins on it . May not work with Honda either since they allegedly do not really build them as ordered, rather try to match built stuff to the order.

And don't do the first year of a model if you really want a "deal". At the beginning of the year every dealer will act like it is the biggest blockbuster to date. When first numbers come, life would verify...

jif

I don't know what cost is.

last year some people who bought an 04 Ody RES from me wanted a third set and we charged them something like $80

drexelnet

Stickguy,

I planning on purchasing a 06 Honda Civic LX auto sedan and I am planning to pay in cash, all upfront. By doing that, would I expect to sign a bunch of paperwork or would it just be one sheet of paper?

Thank you

boomchek

Which honda were you planning on buying? If you want a 2005 model, most of them will be sold out by december unless you don't mind going for a basic manula transmission (no a/c) Civic.

For us in Canada i think the slowest time is around february because taxes are due sometime in march, and people are starting to receive their credit card bills from christmas.

stickguy

You still sign a bunch of papers, just not a loan agreement. The rest is for registration, sales tax, odometer statement, etc.

isellhondas

Actually, at our store, most of the 2005's are already sold.

drexelnet

what is a odometer statement. Is there any other paperwork beside registration and sales taxes. Thanks alot.

boomchek

Same here. The only cars we have left are a handful of manual transmission CRVs, Accord coupes, and Civic DXs (no a/c).

imidazol97

This is about the used car side, or usually the used car side.

Why do the dealers open the hoods on many of their cars? I noticed driving along a steet with a lot of used dealers they were doing that. It looks bad to me. I'd rather see the cars with their normal shape if I'm looking for a used car as I drive along.

stickguy

the odo statement many vary by state, but it is basically a form verifying th emileage on the car. Not sure who uses it, but I thought it was for the DMV.

The rest of the forms are a sales contract, with various places to initial, limited power of attorney (so they can do the DMV work for you), and other misc. stuff to get the car titled in your name.

Just make sure they explain each piece, and take the time to read it over carefully to make sure you understand before sign it (if you are uneasy).

Re: open hoods, I think the same way, but sometimes they put large letters spelling out "sale" or something (1 letter on each car).

akangl

shhhhhh, quiet ...... don't remind Aka of those 137 posts over the 3 months about her Titan problems

Yup, the truck was a bit unruly in its young age, but now at nearly a year old and 20k miles she seems to have settled down and is behaving. If hubby would stay away from it I don't think there would be any reason for a visit to the dealer..........he broke the E-brake........don't ask, lol.

Zippy is, as always, my perfect car ...........48k miles in 14 months with no real problems.

rroyce10

..... Usually the weeks from Thanksgiving to Christmas .. it's called the "tumbleweed times" .. and depending on where you live (and the weather) it can be longer than that .....

Terry :shades:

mikefm58

" Actually, at our store, most of the 2005's are already sold. "

Ditto here in Florida, especially for a model in the Special Edition trim.

If anyone knows where I can get an 05 Civic LX SE blue, in the southeast, please let me know. Coupe/Sedan or Auto/Manual doesn't matter.

user777

http://www.handaccessories.com/odyssey.html might have what you seak.

krs1

Hi User 777

Thank You VERRRY Much, this sight is awesome. geez, this stuff is much cheaper!!!!

bobst

I think I recall signing a statement that we declined to purchase a warranty.

I know this doesn't make much sense. It is like going to the store to buy a gallon of milk and being asked to sign a form stating that we declined to purchase a turkey.

However, we signed their form, and nothing has come back to haunt us.
Sometimes, on very rare occasions, I can actually be cooperative.

danf1

I have everybody sign a disclosure of all products they purchased or did not. We are required to do so by law. For the extended warranty you sign twice. One form for the manufacturer and one for my CYA file.

isellhondas

Here's why...

Customer declines the warranty. Six months out of warranty, the transmission go's bad.

The Service Advisor asks..." Did you buy an extended warranty?"

" No...nobody offered me one! If I had known, I would have bought one for sure!"

Yeah..right!

Guess what happens next?

bobst

"I have everybody sign a ..."

That's not true, Dan. You have no power to "have" anyone do anything.

You may ask them to sign and, if they are cooperative like we are, they may choose to do so. Otherwise, they may choose to buy a car somewhere else.

Kirstie_H

If they're required to do so by law, then the consumer is going to have a difficult time simply choosing to buy a car somewhere else - sounds like it's going to have to be out of state.

rroyce10

...... Actually Dan brings up a good point ...

A lot of dealers have a delivery procedure that shows what the customer "bought -or- what they didn't buy" and they have the customer sign off on it ....

You would be amaaaaaazed how many customers go though the "Playhouse 90" 3/4 years later when it comes to extended warranties ... but they all get the "dead mullet look" when you pull the deal file and show them they refused the purchase and that happens to be their signature on that particular item --

Terry.

user777

my pleasure. this appears to be a honda/accura dealership that also has a web sales point of presence. they are (or were) a regular advertiser on the various honda problem + solutions forums (at the top).

my advise to you would be to call them if there is any uncertainty w.r.t. compatibility.

bobst

You stated that "I have everybody sign a disclosure of all products they purchased or did not. We are required to do so by law."

Assume I want to buy a car from you. Would you ask me to sign a form listing all of the products I chose not to buy? If there are 100 other cars on the lot, would you want me to sign a form stating that I am not buying any of them?

If that is the law, then I think I will become Amish and drive a buggy pulled by a horse. On the other hand, I have heard those Amish are very shrewd horse traders, so maybe I better stick with cars.

british_rover

Come on he means all products as in F&I products so Gap insurance Ext. Warranties and/or service contracts.

bolivar

Have any of you dealers actually know of a lawsuit where someone sued because they were not offered an extended warranty?

I wouldn't think the lowest of lawyers would take on this case.

If this actually happens, I want to know what state this is in. A state with a judicial system that allow lawsuits for something you weren't 'offered' is a state I never want to live in.

This whole thing looks like one of those things where the lawyers write contracts to cover 'things that might happen'.

bobst

I don't think so, Brit. When a car salesman says something specific, you better believe he knows what he is saying. Assuming he means something else can get us buyers in a lot of trouble.

danf1

Actually, brit hit the nail on the head. I am not a car salesman, I'm a finance manager so I was referring to my F&I products.

bobst

Dan, you mentioned that you were required by law to have a buyer sign a form stating they were offered but declined to buy your F&I products.

Are you implying the law does not cover other products your dealer offers?

For example, does the law specifically state that I need to sign a form declining to buy a warranty but I do not need to sign a form when I decline to buy a rear wing or a dealer installed flame decal?

danf1

I think that it is the ECOA that requires I do this. That only monitors the finance departments. A loose interpretation is that I must offer all of my products to all of my customers regardless of age, race etc...

The flame decals and spoilers are accessories not finance or insurance products and therefore are not covered under this law. Of utmost concern to a finance department are extended warranty, life and disability insurance and Gap insurance.

nortsr1

looks like we are all in for some "serious" debates!!! What we need now is a leawyer that reads these posts!!!

british_rover

You should have been in my office this past Friday then cause I had a guy, a lawyer, screaming and cussing into his cell phone at Land Rover saying he was going to sue cause his Range Rover puked its crankshaft at 70 some thousand miles. He was 20 some thousand miles out of warranty with no extended warranty but obvisouly land rover should cover his repairs because there was something wrong with the part and even though it was out of warranty it does not matter because there is some super secret recall going on for Range Rover crankshafts :confuse:

After he hung up on Land Rover he started to go after our service dept but the manager manged to calm him down and he just stormed out. I am sure he would have starting talking about suing us for something if the service manager had not managed to calm him down.