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Correct, but I hate RWD. For the 325xi, if I want to get Automatic, Leather, and Navigation, the price goes up to $41,362.00. With only 225HP. Hmmm...
If you compare the TL with the similar size 5 series, you again find the $15-20K difference. Is it worth it? Consumers reports has removed the 3 Series from their Recommended list, reliability has been steadily dropping. Is the 5 to follow?
With respect to the TL, I just think they priced it well within reason. If the interior hadn't been upgraded and additional features added, I'd say that $33K is too much for the car. But the TL and TSX interiors are definately a step up from previous Acura products.
There's no smoking gun in this new package, but the sum of the parts is pretty good. The interior materials are much better, the exterior stands out better, the interior is more striking, and basic performance is much better.
One of the things I'm most pleased to see is the HPT and 6 speed options. I'm a fan of the old TL-S, but - let's face it - an auto gearbox is not proper sporting equipment. And I expect that, like all honda gearboxes, this will be a beauty. Even though many will still opt for the automatic, the existence of an HPT package, brembo brakes, LSD, and 6 speed give the TL some credibility as the sports sedan Acura Market Reps want us to see.
Just to be accurate, I meant to say 330xi. Sorry.
Lexus ES330 (crossed-off)
Infiniti I35 (BIG BARGAIN!!!)
Infiniti G35 (hmmm....)
Acura TL (that's why I'm here!!)
Acura TSX (good value)
The only aspect of the TSX I prefer to the TL is looks. The TSX looks a tad "cleaner" to me, and a bit more sporty. But, that is purely my own opinion.
34K will get you a base car with auto and the sport package, which consists of 17" wheels, stabilitrak, performance brake linings, sport suspension, self leveling supension, higher effort steering, etc.
3.6L VVT engine with 255 hp.
0-60 is about 6.7 secs.
bodble2 - not sure which you're referring to, but the security light for the stereo is in the bottom left area of the center stack. and the vehicle security lights are right next to each front door's pop-up locks.
The TL seems to be much more sophisticated than the G35, the looks are better and the seating is better, IMO. The vertical headlights are just too reminiscent of the 70's cars.
Consider the big group of people who want to spend $28k to $32K, that is a large group of people that would not be able to buy a TL but will be able to get a base ES with leather seat and sunroof.
TL couldn't sell in 98, so they drop the price for thousands for the last generation of 3.2. Now I think honda is risking their market share just like the DCX did with the pacifica.
34K will get you a base car with auto and the sport package, which consists of 17" wheels, stabilitrak, performance brake linings, sport suspension, self leveling supension, higher effort steering, etc.
3.6L VVT engine with 255 hp.
0-60 is about 6.7 secs."
Hmmm...not bad at all. I just spec'ed it out on Edmunds:
2004 Cadillac CTS 4dr Sedan (3.2L 6cyl 5M)
MSRP Invoice National Base Price
$30,140 $27,880 $29,348
Regional Adjustment
for Zip Code -- -- $51
Optional Equipment $3,550 $3,018 $3,375
UAV DVD Navigation, Bose 6-Disc In-Dash CD Changer and XM Satellite Radio info $1,750 $1,488 $1,664
LY7 3.6L V6 VVT Engine w/5-Speed Automatic Transmission info $1,700 $1,445 $1,616
QWW P255/50R17 W-Rated All-Season Tires info $100 $85 $95
Color Adjustment
White Diamond -- -- -$18
Destination Charge $695 $695 $695
Total $34,385 $31,593 $33,451
Incentives Available
$33,451 not bad at all. SO, can someone *please* tell me, besides being a RWD vehicle (and lower HP), what's wrong with the CTS??? Sounds like a good competitor, no? Am I missing something here?
I'm curious what the sticker says about MPG & what actual milage you're getting.
I've seen reported 19/28 MPG and also 19/30.
tl below invoice in 4-6 months...keep dreaming...
M
Also, no one is doubting that the G35 is a very good car...but it's not perfect. Here's what Consumer Reports had to say about the G35:
"This rear-drive model is a pleasant car, but has some drawbacks. The G35 draws abundant power from its strong 3.5-liter, 260-hp V6 and exceptionally smooth automatic. Routine handling is agile, but when pressed the tail can slide out unexpectedly--even with stability control. Expect a well-controlled ride and nicely suppressed noise levels. The front seats are comfortable, but a bit short on thigh support for tall drivers, and the power-seat controls are poorly marked and confusing to use..."
M
The 2nd generation TL does not have tweeters in the dash. I have a 2000 TL and it does not have tweeters, unlike my 1994 Accord which did have tweeters.
M
It is $1875.
TL would be the only FWD sporty sedan that i would consider.
My last two GM FWD vehicles have been very unsatisfactory with their "clip clop" suspensions.
Just yesterday honda sent me a notice that they had graciously extended the warranty on the transmission of my 99 TL which I turned in after lease was done. I actually left it sitting in my garage for the last month, after I bought our new car, afraid to drive it because it was out of warranty and the tranny may break down at any moment. For now, the tranny in my 03 TL is not covered by an extended warranty as they claim they fixed the problem, but the transmissions on the 03's continue to break down. As the cars age another year or so more and more will show up in the repair shops of your local Acura dealer.
The 04 is a new design, but I doubt the transmission is totally revamped. They have been using that transmission for awhile now -even in mini vans. I would never risk buying the first model year of a car. Wait a year or so and see what problems show up.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2003-10-08-acura_x.htm
Apparently Acura is not doing as well as they would like you to believe. I think that the 2004 TL is priced way to high. Like someone else said in this forum the 97's listed in the 32K - 34K range and no one would buy them. Then they reduced the price with the 99 to 29K - 31K and they started to sell. So I think the Acura dealers should get down from their high horse and start selling these cars with discounts not adjusted market values and add on's. I to will wait until I can get one for 1,000 - 1,500 off MSRP. I guess they didn't learn anything from their past expierences.
And we're not even talking about the Euro competitors such as the A4/A6, 3 & 5-series, S60, etc.
The TSX is one of the hottest selling cars in America right now (in terms of average time spent on dealer's lot before being sold, not total sales). The MDX is a hot seller too, and I'm confident the TL will be a success too.
that when I put my car into P after driving for about 4-5 minutes, the engine revs up and down on its own. Has anyone experienced something similar?
Thanks.
Acura has had only three volume sellers in recent years. The TL, Integra, and MDX. Right now, the TL is long in the tooth. It's only natural that sales are down. The Integra was a volume seller, but not a great profit maker. It's been replaced with the RSX, a car that makes more money per unit. Sales volume is traded for higher profits. The MDX is the only volume car that is going strong. As sales of that model cool over the next two years, the company will get a boost from the new TL and RL.
Next year - when TL sales are up, the RL is launched, and the next NSX is being shown - people will be saying, "wow, look at Acura go!". It's the normal flow of things.
good value (advantage: I35, TL, TSX)
big cabin: (advantage: I35, ES330)
low Out-the-door-price: (advantage: I35)
Features: (advantage: TL)
So, to conclude, I need a car with a high-value content, roomy interior, low out-the-door price, and a decent amount of features. Based above, the I35 and TL are down to the wire. Here's my reasoning:
If the Acura dealer doesn't cooperate on price, then I'll head down to the Infiniti dealer. (right down the road)
I really like both the TL and the I35. (the TL a little more so) but is the TL worth the extra $$$$$$? Both would suit me just fine. (commuting) Maybe a small road-trip or 2, but no more than going to work and soccer games and running errands and all that other daily stuff. I may be buying in April- I'll see how much time moving will take and whether I will be able to snag a TL for $2250 under sticker or an I35 for $3000 under invoice. (or any number below invoice that is greater than $250)It'll depend on how long the I35s are sitting on my dealer's lots and how long the TLs are sitting there.
I like the TL so I will buy the TL. Period. I'll try to get the best price. If that turns out to be full sticker, so be it. I won't go to a "second choice" just because the dealers don't want to play ball --- I might do this if I'm buying a refrigerator, a washing machine, or some other appliance.