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  • Just bought one (loaner with 4,700 miles) this week. Beautiful interior for sure. Very nice.

    After we bought it, I did the slow down (to near complete stop), gave quick gas, stop, quick gas, etc.

    I felt very slight delay but not enought to call it a hesitation.

    Is this mean,

    1. I didn't test it right or

    2. Our car is okay? Do all 2005 ES330s have the hesitation problem (engine or drive by wire design flaw)?

    Thanks.
  • Just bought one (loaner with 4,700 miles) this week. Beautiful interior for sure. Very nice.

    After we bought it, I did the slow down (to near complete stop), gave quick gas, stop, quick gas, etc.

    I felt very slight delay but not enought to call it a hesitation. Is this mean,

    1. I didn't test it right or

    2. Our car is okay? Do all 2005 ES330s have the hesitation problem (engine or drive by wire design flaw)?

    Thanks.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Due to the seemingly complete randomness of which Toyota or Lexus vehicles do have the hesitation vs those that don't I have come to suspect that it is the result of manufacturing anomalies.

    NipponDenso, Denso US' engine management systems, which most asian manufacturers use including Toyota/Lexus, apparently has adopted a lean burn, lean combustion technique to further enhance fuel economy and lower emissions.

    I have begun to suspect that vehicles slightly nore subject to engine knocking/pinging, even in just one cylinder, in the lean burn mode are the ones most readily exhibiting the engine/throttle hesitation symptom.

    If that is truly the case then almost any engine can begin to exhibit the symptom somewhere in its life cycle.

    That would also fully explain why Toyota/Lexus' recommended solution is to switch to premium fuels and that some owners are now on record saying that solution does seem to help.
  • x021627x021627 Posts: 153
    I have noticed better performance using mid grade fuel.
  • Hi,
    Planning to lease a lexus ES 330 end of feb in NJ. Want
    - Navigation System, Mark Levinson Audio
    - 17" all weather tires
    - Heated & Ventilated Seats, High Intensity Headlights
    - interior/ext color does not matter

    Wanted to put down as little as possible.
    Will return car at the end of lease.
    Any suggestions on what a decent monthly lease payment should be?
    Thanks in advance - Sanjay
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    You should also ask in this discussion: Lexus ES 330: Lease Questions.

    Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
  • I have a 2005 ES330 that shows the hesitation problem....I had always used premium Chevron fuel from day one. I switched to regular 87 grade when the station was out of premium and noticed a remarkable decrease in the hesitation. You have any explanation for this? The car is slightly less powerful but the transmission seems to be better able to handle the output of the engine with 87 octane. I switched back to 91 octane for a tankful and after a few days the drastic hestation was back.
  • I'm a pessimist. Okay, got that out of the way. We needed a new wheel. Wife wanted the RX330. Our plan was lay low with less expensive car and get her RX330 in 3 years.

    Shopped around, nothing really stands out below $20K. Saw Civic, Accord, Camry, then pushed up to V6 Camry then got mesmerized by used ES300 which led us to the Lexus dealer.

    Bought a 2005 ES330 loaner car and saved quite a bit of $$$. Very nice (wood interior upgraded) car indeed. Interior, all I can say is every button is in a perfect location. Sorry V6 Camry XLE, ES330 is much nicer.

    Wife happy. Asked her about RX330, she said she's okay with ES330 for the next 5 years (she is so frugal . . ha ha).

    Should I've gotten the RX330? Anyone out there thought about the RX330 and got the ES330 instead? Or am I the only one?

    Thanks.
  • Hi,
    planning to lease a 2006 ES330, live in NJ & not very comfortable driving in snow...what kind of tires do you folks recommend (make, model ??)....looking for all-weather tires so I do not have to switch during summer. Thanks - Sanjay
  • madhurianilmadhurianil Louisville,KYPosts: 4
    Hi Folks,
    I was quoted as $33,999 for 2006,ES330 !FULLY LOADED.I'm in South florida.

    "I have an excellent selection of new 2006 ES 330s of various colors and options packages for you to choose from.

    The Navigation/Levinson Package 2006 ES 330 features the perforated leather interior with ventilated and cooled seats, power moonroof, HID headlights, vehicle stability control, wood and leather steering wheel and shift knob, adjustable pedals, power rear sunshade, six- disc CD auto-changer, 17" wheel and tire package, and carpet floor mats.
    The preferred accessories package (trunk mat, wheel locks, and a cargo net) is also included.

    I am offering the new 2006 Navigation/Levinson Package ES 330 to you at a special Internet Price of only
    $33999.00!Of course, this price does not include sales tax, tag, and dealer's fees."
    Please advice,
    thanks,
    AK
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    I'm glad to see you also posted in our Prices Paid discussion and some folks are helping you out there. Since that's the right place for the conversation, let's ask anyone who wants to respond to follow this link: madhurianil, "Lexus ES 300/ES 330: Prices Paid & Buying Experience" #1079, 10 Oct 2005 7:27 am.

    Good luck - let us know how it goes!
  • mldj98mldj98 Posts: 378
    I posted the below message on another board but it may be more appropiate on this one as well....

    I just have a quick question for anyone that may have a spare moment to respond....
    I am thinking about buying a 06 ES330 and was wondering what the overall driving experiences people have had with this car....I have read some of the consumer reviews.....and most seem positive.....but my question would be as such...
    Does the car have enough power to let's say merge on the highway?...pass on the highway? (quickly when the need arises).....does it do well while driving in snow country? (i.e. midwest)...and just the overall ride.....is there any rattles in the interior?....allot of road noise?.....is it the true luxury experience? We don't need a sports car that can go from 0-60 in 4 seconds....and we don't really want a car that is marketed towards the retirement age people (please, no disrespect intended to anyone).....the ES330 is in our price range and seems like it may fit the bill....but by asking current owners we can get a feel of what everyones thinks......now we know in the end it is our decision....and it is either you like it or you don't....but any input would be much appreciated.....
  • pilot130pilot130 Posts: 319
    We don't own one but had the opportunity to use my brother in law's 06 ES330 for a three week period earlier this month (He was on an extended vacation trip and left it with us). It's an "all dressed" model with every conceivable option.
    Our experience was extremely positive. We found nothing of any concern and the overall driving experience was excellent for both city and highway conditions. the only thing we didn't use was the nav system so we cannot comment there.(didn't really need it)
    It rode well; handled well; was very quiet with no rattles or noticeable wind or road noise; accelleration was more than adequate; and it seemed not to notice the occasional time when there were 4 heavy duty adults aboard.
    It handled fine in the two really big snowfalls we've had so far this year; there seems to be more than adequate passing response on the highway; and we were pleasantly surprised at the very good fuel economy of this vehicle.
    Overall it was a very pleasant automobile to drive in--as good as any we've experienced. There was no doubt this is a luxury vehicle and we wouldn't hesitate to own one.
    One note of caution. Your inquiry will no doubt elicit a few negatives.
    One of those may talk to the hesitation issue which has been kicked around to a degree by some folks.
    There seems to be a concerted effort by a few outspoken individuals to have it declared a widespread epidemic, a serious safety hazard, severe when it occurs, affects many models of Lexus and Toyota, etc--generally a very damning criticism of this automaker.
    We would suggest caution in letting any such condemnations influence a purchase decision. Take one for a long test drive and decide for yourself.
    We didn't notice anything of the sort. In our opinion, the condemnations have been mostly overhyped, and some almost seemed intentional propaganda.
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 857
    Thanks for telling us about your experience. I am also considering the ES330. I wanted to ask you about the fuel economy which you stated "we were pleasantly surprised at the very good fuel economy". Could you explain further? Thanks
  • pilot130pilot130 Posts: 319
    Happy to respond.
    Mainly highway miles while we had it, and it averaged between 7.5 and 8 Litres per 100 Kilometers on regular 87 octane fuel.(roughly 32/34 miles per Imperial gallon). Speeds were averaging 100 to 110 Kilometers per Hour.(roughly 60/65 MPH). This was a non stop Autoroute--approx. 300 kilometers on Highway 401 between Windsor and Toronto--pretty much flat the whole way.
    In terms of your smaller US gallon, I would guess what we experienced would translate to around 26/28 MPG for you.
    This mileage is about the same as our Avalon, but MUCH better than our Silverado.(5.3 Litre V8-- it gets about 20 MPG for the same route!!).
    We are currently paying about $1.00 per litre (about $4.50 Cdn. per gallon) for gas here in Ontario, so good mileage is bloody important!!
  • morehpmorehp Posts: 30
    My parents have had an 04 ES330 for a year and a half with approx 20,000 miles on it now. I drive the car frequently.

    Our overall experience with the car has been very positive. There have been no significant problems with the car.

    In response to your specific questions, I think that if you are not looking for a sports car you will be very satisfied with the acceleration. It is surprisingly strong around town (will easily smoke the tires on dry pavement with the traction control off) and more than adequate passing/merging on the highway, even with A/C on and a full load. Acceleration does weaken around 90-100 mph, but if that bothers you then you are looking at the wrong car!

    It does pretty well in Midwest snow. I'm not a fan of the Michelin Energy MXV4 tires in snow and ice, so if you get a lot of snow I'd suggest winter tires. For Chicago it's OK on the all seasons. The vehicle skid control is good to have in case you get into trouble.

    The ride is as good as you'll find short of a high end Lexus or Merc. I think you'd have to spend a lot more to improve on this aspect of the car. Road noise is minimal. The dealer fixed a slightly loose passenger seatbelt adjuster... other than that no rattles even over the worst stuff.

    As far as the "true lux" experience, clearly there are compromises at this price point. The ES330 is not as roomy, powerful or solid as any given $60K+ BMW, MB or Lexus. It lacks certain high end features like power/heated/cooled rear seats, keyless ignition etc. and even some not-so-high-end stuff like a telescoping steering wheel. OTOH the interior materials are the equal of almost anything on the market and at no time have we felt deprived for comfort.

    In summary I'd strongly recommend the car... there is no higher quality vehicle for the price. It is particularly appropriate for those who value comfort and refinement over performance and handling.

    Keep in mind a new ES350 will likely be coming out in the spring. Good luck!
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    First, if you, by pure happenstance, have not driven a FWD or front torque biased AWD in adverse roadbed conditions then you may be in for a totally new driving experience.

    On a slippery roadbed a FWD vehicle will often exhibit the very same hazards as does a 4WD vehicle. Both will have substantially more roadbed traction relative to RWD for getting going, but once you lose traction with the roadbed what you need most is a vehicle with directional control.

    That's the point wherein you might wish for RWD.

    You may notice that many new 4WD (4runner) and/or AWD (Lexus IS & GS) systems dynamically reallocate engine torque to the rear if the yaw sensor detects that directional control is suddenly of paramount importance.

    And finally, no one has stated that the Toyota/Lexus 5-speed transaxle (FWD) engine/throttle hesitation symptom is widespread. In point of act the inverse may well be closer to the mark.

    It is well known, even from it's initial "public" disclosure via TSB in early 2003, that the experience is totally random, some cars subject to it and some not. But those who have experienced the problem relate it as being a harrowing, potentially hazardous experience.

    Personally I will not be in the market to trade up to a new RX3x0 until this problem has been successfully addressed.
  • hylynerhylyner Posts: 216
    With respect for your extensive knowledge of FWD systems Wwest, this request was for actual driving experiences with the ES330.
    It is my understanding you don't own one or have ever driven one. I certainly don't have any experience with it and I don't feel qualified to say anything about driving experience with the model one way or the other. I do think it's a nice looking automobile though.
    A couple of other observations if I may. The TSB you refer to was issued early in 03. That's almost 3 years ago. I wonder how many times it actually was used--not a great many is my guess, based on the low number of claims we've seen here. As you say, the issue doesn't appear to be widespread. No doubt there have been a number of TSB revisions since 03, and most reports now seem to indicate it's been succesful. Not very many reports of hesitation have appeared recently, and no 06 models that I know of, so perhaps it's no longer even an issue. I think you're probably safe in buying that new RX3x0 by now!! ;)
    The forum about it was closed because it was essentially the same bunch rehashing things over and over again. Edmunds finally killed their forum when some of that clique got offensive toward anyone who appeared as a threat to their way of thinking. It's still there archived for anyone wanting to take a look. I don't believe the experiences hashed about in that forum were indicative of the majority of owner experience by any means.
  • My 2005 ES 330 is a true luxury cruiser !
    I chose this over the TL due to the quiet
    smooth ride quality and would make the same
    decision again. Answers to your questions below

    Does the car have enough power to let's say merge on the highway?
    More than enough
    pass on the highway? (quickly when the need arises).....
    they will disappear in your rear view !
    does it do well while driving in snow country?
    Yes very good snow mobile
    (i.e. midwest)...and just the overall ride.....is there any rattles in the interior?....allot of road noise?.....is it the true luxury experience?
    Quietest smoothest auto I ever owned
  • hylynerhylyner Posts: 216
    In response to your statement: "no one has stated that the Toyota/Lexus 5-speed transaxle (FWD) engine/throttle hesitation symptom is widespread"...............
    I'm afraid you're wrong there. If you look thru the archived "Engine Hesitation All Makes and Models" forum, there are dozens and dozens of claims to that effect, mostly by the same few posters.
    Here are several examples of what I'm seeing there:......

    Quote: "I agree with your assessment, particularly that all the subject cars have the problem"
  • hylynerhylyner Posts: 216
    Sorry Wwest, but my post was cut off when they updated the server.
    Here are some other examples I started out to show you:
    "the TSB tells me it is across the board"
    "they all do it and it's for all models with that same tranny"
    There are a number of the same types of statements; different words but always the same message. Curiously, it was alway the same two or three posters who posted those remarks.
    History shows us they were wrong.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Okay, I stand corrected....

    Currently, no one is stating........that the problem is widespread.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    let's don't drag the hesitation discussion over here ... please.
  • hylynerhylyner Posts: 216
    Thanks for the heads up. For the record, like many others, I'm also tired of hearing about it. That's why I jumped in to defuse it. It seems there's always someone who wants to rekindle the controversy, but it's time to let it go.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    The hesitation thread was shut down to new entries because a few posters on both sides of the "fence" couldn't keep things on a non-personal level.

    So again, I ask those that have questions about the engine/throttle hesitation problems or any and all reponders, do NOT repond in kind to any personal attacks or baiting by anyone.

    I suspect that if we "behave" ourselves and conduct the discussions in a polite and level-headed way Edmunds will be kind enough to allow the discussion to continue unabated.

    Thanks to all....
  • mldj98mldj98 Posts: 378
    I would like to thank everyone who responded to my request for input on the ES330....it's alway nice to hear some of the facts from people who actually own one as opposed to a sales person....I test drove the Black Diamond Edition twice in the last couple of days and had the following conclusion....With the ride, and the luxury appointments it was a real nice car.....almost pulled the trigger.....but sat back and said to myself that the new 07 redesigned ES350 should be coming out sometime in the spring....and with this design comes a big increase in hp and the Lexus's new design thinking as they did in their new IS350....from what I understand all models will be redesigned with this new thinking in mind....
    So to sum it up, given the sweet ride, and the luxury of the ES330 we figured that the new ES350 can improve on an already outstanding vehicle....Again, thanks to all who responded as it was much appreciated! Now I know I shouldn't ask this but, does anyone know the release date of the ES350? Thanks
  • scoti1scoti1 Posts: 676
    mldj98,

    You may find this forum of interest:
    "Transmission problems with Lexus ES-300 ?"
  • Calling all the ES330 owners...

    There are cars I like and dislike. Our 2005 ES330 to me is indifferent. However, my wife loves it. So we bought one (Happy wife = happy life).

    I have seen ES330 frequently compared to Camry. So I will not do that comparison.

    My comparisons will be to that car that I now drive the 2002 Maxima GLE (wife's hand me down)which we bought it new for $24K.

    Here's my break down of 10 things I noticed.

    MAXIMA:
    1. Gas milage, w/ premium fuel in mix local/highway driving. Maxima 26.7 mpg (ES330 22.5 mpg)
    2. Power/Accel
    3. Handling
    4. Maintenance Cost
    5. Car price

    Lexus ES330

    1. Comfort
    2. Safety Features
    3. Exterior metal(Maxima thinner metal and chips easily)
    4. Interior Layout/Noise
    5. Dealer service (However, great service tech. at a Nissan dealer for our Maxima)

    At this point I'm not a big Drive By Wire Throttle fan. As soon as I hit the gas, I want it to go. As I compared, Maxima with more powerful and better acceleration engine is more fuel efficient. I don't understand how or why the mighty Toyota/Lexus engine gets out performed by Nissan's old engine.

    I will say ES330 is worth more than Maxima maybe $2K more but $6K more?

    Is there something I have left out?

    Thanks.
  • scoti1scoti1 Posts: 676
    At this point I'm not a big Drive By Wire Throttle fan. As soon as I hit the gas, I want it to go.

    I don't think this is necessarily a DBW issue because not all cars with DBW have this problem. But yeah, I agree, it is a reasonable expectation from a car. Were you aware that Toyota has issued a TSB to help address this "hesitation" problem? If it is not bothering your wife (who I assume drives the car) you may not want to bother with it, but some people have noticed an improvement after having the TSB work performed.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    My 2001 Porsche 996 C4 is DBW and it GOES when I depress the gas pedal!

    That is provided I have selected the correct gear so as not to "lug" the engine and have released the clutch pedal.

    That latter part is actually the fly in the ointment with the Toyota and Lexus 5-speed transaxles. The engine/transaxle ECU will not allow the engine to develop torque above idle via "side-tracking" the DBW signals until the "proper" transaxle gear is selected and all of the clutches appropriate to that gear selection have fully and firmly seated.

    This whole dilema is the result of Toyota and Lexus wanting, working too hard, and over-optimizing engine/transaxle operations toward improved fuel economy. There may also be a bit of a safety issue involved in that it is really not a bad idea to remove as much engine compression braking from the front drive wheels via upshifting the transaxle as you slow to a final stop just in case the roadbed is super slippery.

    That's why you get a very QUICK upshift during any throttle closed coastdown situation. But now amidst that upshift sequence if you happen to depress the "GO" button things can go quickly awry. The DBW side-tracking will not allow the engine to respond to your inputs and additionally the ECU has very likely selected a downshift gear more in favor of fuel economy rather than supplying more RAW torque for acceleration.

    But now you sense the engine's non-response and depress the gas pedal just a wee bit farther. Meantime the transaxle has completed the "coastdown" upshift and started the initially selected downshift. Now it decides it needs to be in an even lower gear ratio cognizant with the new gas pedal position and delays the onset of engine torque development even more.

    Enough said...??
  • hylynerhylyner Posts: 216
    So, we're comparing a manual transmission 2001 Porsche C4 (+ or - $80K), to an automatic DBW Lexus 330 (+ or - $34K). Sorry to rain on that parade Wwest, but apples and oranges don't fall from the same tree, if you get my drift.
    That said, your hypothesis might pass the thesis "weight test" in DBW101, but IMHO it doesn't quite make the grade in practical terms. On technical merit, it doesn't resonate; on artistic impression, it looks nice, but looks ain't where it's at!
    An "F", unfortunately, on overall grade. Good try tho'.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    No, what I, "we're", comparing is my personal ability to quickly select the correct gear to downshift into (or remain "in" with the clutch released) with virtually no thought toward improving fuel economy or loss of directional control VERSUS the Toyota engine/transaxle ECU giving high priority to improving fuel economy and/or preventing loss of control.

    And yes, the ECU does not have the advantage of my eyesight and forethought derived therefrom. But that's also exactly why it shouldn't so quickly "default" into upshifting since it hasn't a single clue as to what I might do next.

    How long do you suppose it would take to delay unshifting during throttle closed coastdown circumstances to make 90% of these complaints disappear. And just how much fuel would be "wasted" if the delay were to be 2 or three seconds?
  • scoti1scoti1 Posts: 676
    Also, the Porsche DBW vs Toyota DBW is not what makes the +/- $50k difference in the two cars.
  • hylynerhylyner Posts: 216
    Wwest and Scoti:
    A good effort, but neither of you two are going to raise the graded "F" by hedging after the fact on Wwest's original thesis. You could be granted one small concession though, which might have helped get a better mark had it been included in the original piece. You are correct in your follow up explanation Wwest, a "human" making a decision under a wide variety of changing conditions will better the capability of an EPROM chip every time. Artificial intelligence is here to a degree, but still a long way from the human brain. Those nasty, overworked, and delinquent Toyota engineers you often criticize for doing such a bad job are actually not so bad after all. You also said in your follow up Wwest--the way DBW systems work is probably a better way to manage the transmission/engine relationship from both a control, safety, and fuel economy standpoint. DBW system management is intended for "average" driving, not the conditions one would expect a high performance sports car (Porsche C4?) to deliver--with "Human" interface in shifting decisions.
    If you want a car that "goes when you step on it", then buy one. Conversely, if you want what our buying public demands in our marketplace--a "No Brainer Slushbucket"--then I think you will like the current DBW technology. But do NOT expect DBW "Slushbuckets" to perform like a Porsche C4!! Do NOT expect a DBW equipped auto to do everything you ask of it.

    For your info Scoti. Big mistake!! Wwest's Porsche doesn't have DBW--(unless he's wired directly to the accellerator, tranny , and clutch!) A close coupled manual transmission is a whole 'nuther animal.
  • hylynerhylyner Posts: 216
    One further comment re West's C4. I may have unintentionally misled you Scoti when I stated that Porsche doesn't have DBW. It's a manual transmission with ETC (electronic throttle control), if I'm not mistaken, right Wwest? Somewhat different than the Lexus DBW system you two are comparing it to. Quite a bit different as a matter of fact.
  • andy82471andy82471 Posts: 120
    DBW has softwares that can be programmed to be responsive to a different degree depending on the car. Obviously, I would imagine Porsche would be more concerned with accleration than fuel economy or emisson ratings than Lexus as it should. However, after driving my father's 2003 ES300 I can say that the car is more than adequate for most folks and only the most demanding and lead footed driver will want more. My father is very happy with his purchase and very soon I will get to own the car as he is considering buying the upcoming ES350. :)
  • hylynerhylyner Posts: 216
    That's absolutely correct. Needless to say, no amount of programming or ECU complexity can provide every vehicle with every desired level of responsiveness for every driving condition experienced by every driver.
    I am very pleased to hear your Dad's experience is positive; I'm sure this is far more the rule than exception for these automobiles.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Yes, you're right, I should have been saying E-throttle in both cases instead of DBW. My Porsche has only a "firmware" connection between the footfeed and the throttle buttefly valve, exactly the same, basically, as the ES330.

    Maybe we should have been saying "partial" DBW.

    Makes me wish, for purposes of this discussion only, I had bought a little Mazda 4-banger with e-throttle and automatic transmission (NOT transaxle)that I could have used as an example. I have no doubt that I could have used the same example with the Maxda, when I depress the gas pedal it GOES!

    Going all the way back to a new 56 Ford automatic, I remember being told that if I wished it to upshift "early" all I had to do was release the gas pedal slightly. And I agree that it worked.

    So in a sense this "upshifting" effect has been with us for more than 50 years now. The major difference is that with the Ford when I subsequently re-applied pedal pressure cognizant with the need to gain speed the transmission reacted instantly as did the engine. Same as my 2001 RX300.

    But now for some reason Toyota has discovered that they need to "protect the drive train" by delaying the onset of engine torque during these downshifts.

    Why, what changed..??
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    If/when I buy a car, any car, with a manual transmission it is clearly understood by both parties of the deal that there is NO warranty against any level of clutch wear, early, premature, or late.

    On the other hand Toyota must accept responsibility, and pay costs, for any transaxle internal clutch failure during the drive train warranty period.
  • andy82471andy82471 Posts: 120
    Yes. I can't wait till the new ES comes out so I can get my dad's 03 ES. It is loaded with every bells and whistle. While at 24 I am not a typical ES owner I think the car will suite me just fine. My dad is also thinking about checking out the 07 Avalon. Did you cross shop the ES with the Avalon?
  • hylynerhylyner Posts: 216
    Wish I had, but y'know what? There's a Toyota dealer in our area but no Lexus dealer. I didn't want to have to drive many miles for any service requirements.The Av's just fine tho'--a Lexus at a lower price!
  • hylynerhylyner Posts: 216
    Why, what changed..??
    I really cannot answer that question Wwest. I don't think anyone can--leastwise those of us discussing it. Given none of us (Scoti included) has experienced this phenomenon, then none of us is able to speak authoritatively about it one way or the other. We can only
    continue to speculate on If, How, What, Why, or to What Extent this phenomenon occurs. Frankly, I'd rather not discuss it further.
  • scoti1scoti1 Posts: 676
    Given none of us (Scoti included) has experienced this phenomenon, then none of us is able to speak authoritatively about it one way or the other.

    Sorry, I know you said you do not want to discuss this issue further, so I do not expect a reply from you, but I just wanted to let you know for the record that I have never stated that I have not experienced this phenomenon. I kindly request that you stop making this statement, since you and others have repeated it in what I perceive as an attempt to discredit my participation in Edmunds forums. So to address this statement, I will tell you that indeed, I do not own a vehicle that has this problem. My Sequoia seems to go just fine when I press the "go-pedal". But I have experienced it as a passenger. I will continue to discuss this problem when I have something I would like to add (and as long as it is within the forum participation guidelines). :)
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    I notice that NWA is taking me through Minneapolis, against my better wishes/judgement, to and from Daytona, I'll check and see just how much time I will be there....
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    I thought the host specifically said not to discuss the hesitation issue on this forum. It looks like a handful of people intend to hijack this forum to spread their personal anti-Toyota/Lexus agenda.
  • hylynerhylyner Posts: 216
    Apologies for the misunderstanding on my part. I've asked the Host to remove the erronious post which offended you.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Does anyone want to talk about the ES 330??
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    I do.
  • scoti1scoti1 Posts: 676
    Mr. Shiftright just opened a new forum:

    "Toyota/Lexus transaxle shift delay"
  • Hello all,

    I bought an ES330 yesterday (my first new car :) ) and wanted to know if anyone could recommend a good car cover. I will be parking in my driveway which is often home to many cats so am looking for something to protect against scratches as well as the elements. Any recommendations?

    Thanks in advance
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