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For those who haven't seen it, the front cover of the 2001 Consumer Reports Buying Guide (the book edition of Consumer Reports) sports a red, four door (drum roll, please)....... ECHO! Pretty cool.
A person with little to no credit can get approved much quicker if they are putting 20% down or if they have a recent college degree and a job in their field.
Shalene
I'm in Manitoba and had my Echo since May. The Manitoba dealers here have got together and gotten Toyota Canada's support to "stick to" the published "Access Toyota" prices shown on their website at:
http://www.toyota.ca/avalon_index.html
If you haven't been there, you need to go because these prices are about $100 less than the MSRP, and you can see exactly what the various option prices, body styles etc. do to the "Access" - (I read as ) starting point price.
You see, what I found is they may stick together on this no trade price, but there is a way to get around it and negotiate, if that's what you want to do. I found that none of 4 dealers would budge on this, for cash, with a written RFQ (request for quote), or for even 2 cars in one deal! (my brother was buying too).
However, the way around it is to bring in some kind of a trade. Any old piece of junk will do. When I brought my truck into the deal, the competition really began. I worked with 4 different dealers here in Winnipeg, and got down to what I thought was a "rock bottom" deal. They would trade me straight for a $16,100 (access price) demo unit.
Then I went to a 5th dealer out in the country and got a $15759 brand new coupe (2 dr, auto, silver) PLUS $1440 cash for the same truck. That works out to $17173 for the truck ! The thing is, once you bring a trade into the equation, nobody can say for sure what you're paying for the new car. Of course, most dealers know a lot more about trade in values than their customers , so they use this to their advantage and try to convince you that you're paying less for the new car, when really they're not giving you enough for the trade.
I had advertised my truck in Auto Trader, and kept on top of their website for Canada-wide listings of the same make and model, so I had a pretty good idea what it was worth. If you do this, however, you really have to do your homework and move cautiously because some dealers really tried to pressure me to buy when it turned out they were giving me as much as $3000 less for my truck than what I finally ended up getting.
I hope this helps you...
My roommate was looking through the paper and she saw an ad for an Echo at a very good price. So good that I thought it was worth the look.
I am looking at a 2001 four door automatic with upgrade packages 1, 2, the all weather guard package, and floor mats. It is not manual like I want, it does not have abs like I want, and it does not have side impact air bags like I want, but life is a series of compromises.
I went to Carsdirect.com to see if the price was a good one and it would not let me configure a car like the one I saw. It would not let me combine an automatic with the all weather package.
Was I mistaken in thinking the car I looked at had the all weather guard package and automatic?
My roommate and I have an appointment to go take a look at the car again tomorrow. It was about thirty minutes to closing when we got there yesterday and pretty cold so I did not want to stick around and talk turkey.
I slept on it and have decided that even though it is not my dream Echo, I could see myself in the car. If they can finance me with no money down and payments of a certain amount a month, I will be driving home in a brand new Echo tomorrow.
I still have to wait. Did I tell you that the dealer call me the other day? Well, this is what happened, the dealer and said they have a Seafoam Blue Hybrid going out... she said the Seafoam Blue is killing... she asked me if I want to drop by and have a look at the Seafoam Blue color, kind of get me excited. Too bad I was working and can't find a time to drop by to look at it.
Anyway, I'm counting... man, still have 7 weeks to go. BTW, have you notice that there're tons of Focus driving on the street lately? Man, I sawa at least 5 yesterday. When I was following a Yellow Bettle yesterday, I kind of admire it a little bit. When you look at it from the back, it looks so balance and the curve is so well design, and the height of the car (it's higher that Echo)... All of the sudden, I just realize there're more Bettle than Camry on the road.... nah.... I still like my unique Echo.
To the post about the Red Echo on the Consumer Reports Buying Guide. I am glad to see my little red car on the cover. It makes me feel even better about my choice of car.
MelodyEcho-I left a note on a fellow Echo and got a very excited note back. Lots of happy, excited exclamation points. It was neat.
The Bug I think is the only car that is taller than the Echo. Echos are cuter though.
Sorry about your finance problem... Have you try all dealers? I'm not sure if this is true, people said the Echo price will drop after this year... as we enter year 2001, the 2001 car is no longer that new, so price might be slightly different. When I told people that I will get my car next year January, that's the kind of response they give me : Wouldn't it be cheaper if you buy that car a few months later?
17.5 financing is way too high...
ernieecho,
Well, it could be a culture difference thing... when I say the "color is killing", that mean the color is so fantastic/perfect/nice (all the possible best words you can use to describe something good) that you will kill yourself to get one of those.
They do have Seafoam blue, I mean you have to special order it from the manufacturer. The 2001 Echo brochure is still shoing it, if you go to toyota.com and click on the Echo link, you will see a seafoam flue echo at the front page, and the color is available in isthistoyota.com as well. I call 1-800-gotoyota (something like that, the number is available at the website), and they said if the color is shown in the website, that mean they are making it, it's just a matter of it's not available in all region. For instance, someone from Canada posted here saying that the Seafoam blue is not available in Canada.
Oh, the Bug is shorter than Echo... hmm... something too short but tall, kind of wired, did I tell you that when I was tailing the Bug.... its back look so big.... like a big butt! Does anyone know why the bug is so tall? Does it has mroe head room? My ex-roommate got a blue bug... hmm... looks like we have a competition here.
I just got done talking to a lady at my credit union and she holds out hope that even with my credit history, I can get 10 to 12 percent money.
If I go the ordering route, they would pre-approve me for 90 days and then extend that if needed. When the car came in, they would do the final paperwork then.
Just to be prepared, I have asked a couple of the dealers I have been dealing with to give me a quote on a car similar to the special order, but without ABS and side impact air bags. I might just get my car then and not do a special order.
Time will tell.
I used to average 35 miles to a gallon but lately that number dropped to a recent low of 29 mpg due to my new aggressive driving habit.
The wheels cover I guess making a lot of bothering noise if I leave the windows open (I am too lazy to take it to the dealer to complain). The ECHO car has a bumpy ride compared to my other car a 91 corolla DX due to its light weight body. It has less gut than the Corolla (weaker acceleration feel). I bought the car solely because of its tall upright sitting position sort of minivan_like which ease my back pain a bit.
Plastic body molding start popping out from both sides of rear fenders. The variable VVTi engine start to make louder tingling noise at idle due to my previous harsh driving habit(I enjoy pushing this little toy to the limit whenever I have a chance). I hope it will last me for a while before I'll trade it in for another car with a V6. I am not happy with the late mpg that the ECHO gave (same as the automatic Corolla) eventhough I gave it a fourth oil change already....maybe the lowered mpg is due to quick worn cylinders lining.
As far as the gas mileage, maybe youv'e damged a spark plug or something is amiss otherwise. Remember just because there aren't any idiot lights on the dash lit doesn't mean there isn't a problem.
Sudden reduction in mileage + mechanical noises + loss of power = mechanical problems !
1)"air vents don't close" - this is simple a matter of not bothering to ask for training from the salesman. Like my old Austin Mini, the vents close by rotating them 90 degrees about the pitch axis.
2) "vibration at idle" - since this is an ecologically friendly vehicle, and designed to maximize mileage in stop and go driving, naturally the idle speed is set as low as possible to conserve fuel at idle, even at the expense of the occupants sensibilities.
3) "skinny tires" - most reviewers point out the down side of small tires, but very few note the advantages of: low unsprung weight yielding a smoother ride, lower rolling resistance, lower coefficient of drag, better in most wet conditions, and lower cost.
4) "funny styling" - some reviewers fail to mention that this styling is similar to the Prius and Insight Hybrid vehicles and that it results in the lowest drag coefficient (0.30)of any vehicle in it's class, and the only compact interior volume in a vehicle of subcompact exterior dimensions.
5) "loud engine noise at high RPM" - this is due to an unusual valve in the muffler that only opens under maximum performance conditions. I.E. it only bypasses the muffler under extreme need to wring the last drop of performance out of the vehicle. For those of us who are concerned about the fact that gasoline is a finite resource and know that we will live to see the day when we can't afford to fill our tanks, the extra noise produced in the few situations calling for full performance is not an issue.
6) "wide front pillars" see post #244
7) "offset speedo" see post #244 .
On normal freeway driving I did noticed that I had to adjust the steering wheel constantly to avoid crosswind...unlike other cars that I had. You feel like getting pushed over when driving pass large cars or trucks at speed over 65 miles per hour. Now I am getting use to correcting the steering wheel and it does not bother me much anymore. But we ECHO owners need to be aware that the danger of being a tall light weight is always there.
pleased with the positive review. And the wife
was impressed too. I wonder if the infamous
Edmund's reviewer read it?
Paul
By the way, I don't think you'll need to adjust the valves on the Echo!
I compared the Echo with the Corolla and several other compacts before I chose the Echo. These were the deciding factors for me:
1) More head room.
2) More interior volume with less exterior dimensions especially width.
3) Folding rear seats that were only available here with an expensive option package on the Corolla.
4) Better gas mileage.
5) Lower cost if minimally equipped as I wanted.
6) Better performance due to lighter weight.
7) More advanced styling.
Yes, the Echo does have a timing chain vs. a belt. the longer life expectancy of the chain vs. belt is something one salesman dwelt on with me.
Sorry, I don't know where the water pump is. Now I'll have to go and see for myself. But remember, it's a Toyota. You probably won't have to change it for another 300,000 miles or so !
I accidentally filled up with Premium on one tank and it didn't help my mileage though. I check it on every tank. How's that for compulsive behavior !
Leeaaron - We have found that when in 4th gear going uphill sometimes there is not enough oomph to the car. Generally rather than pushing down on the pedal I hit the O/D off button, the car downshifts nicely and pulls up the hill.
One dealer has already responded and gave me a quote which listed the codes for the options. To decipher it and to see if alloy wheels were included, I went to Edmunds.com.
I notice that Edmunds now has a price generator where it adds up the price for you. One word of caution! Actually, several words.
It does not prevent you from double selecting. That is you can select an option package and also select an item in the package. You can also select items that cannot go together. You could select the 3in1 and also the 6 CD changer.
After checking the invoice price against what the dealer was quoting me, I went back to see if I could double select items. I ended up with an Echo that had an invoice price in the mid 15s and the MSRP somewhere in the 17s.
Hopefully, Edmunds will fix this eventually and people will not be able to double select.
Having had my ECHO for a week I do have one "complaint". The shifter is notchy. NOTCHY! NOTCHY! NOTCHY! At least as bad as the three on the tree in my 78 Chevy C10. I mention this not to stir the [non-permissible content removed]...just in the hopes Toyota will fix it someday. Perhaps it will improve with age. EVERYTHING else about the car has been a pleasent suprise. For a small car the car is QUIET, even at speed. It has plenty of get up and go. Getting into it with the two bulged and one ruptured disk in my back is easy...easier than ANY other car I test drove. It's very roomy inside. The trunk is way bigger than it has any business being in a car this small. The car appears to be very well made, unlike the KIA and DAEWOO I drove, and not that much more money. No one needs a sedan any bigger than this one. I've always thought that no car should be made with an engine bigger than 2 liters because of the environment and because we're begging for another gas crisis with all the SUVs with eight cylindar engiones running around. I'll have to change that to 1.5 liters after owning ECHO.
Paul
Using the higher-octane gas will not improve performance since the engine's compression is not high enough.
Actually it can make things worse.
lynnann1: The transmission prevents upshift to overdrive when the engine is cold. This is normal behavior for a Toyota. Even my 84 Cressida was this way.
http://www.toyotapart.com/accessories/index.htm
This auction comes and goes about every week and maybe one could e-mail the seller directly if you choose not to mess around with the auction.
I am still looking for a set of the small rain deflectors that mount above the windows that allow you to crack the windows open without getting rained on.
My Toyota service manager said that he would install it for the same price, but he didn't care if I had it done. As long as it was by a "reputable" I.E. professional installer, it wouldn't affect the warranty. The only caveat he threw in was that the warranty wouldn't cover damage done by the cruise control or it's installation, but I think that goes without saying.
I talked to the installer ahead of time who said he wouldn't cut any wires and only had to put in one insulation dispacement type of "t-splice". That's the same kind used by most trailer connectors. they don't damage the wires much. Your dad could probably explain this to you if this sounds like Greek.
I also insisted that he not drill holes since the servo motor mounts on the inner fender in a place where there's lots of spray from the right front wheel. We get a fair amount of rust here in the spring so I was concerned about creating bare metal in a critical area. The installer fashioned a special bracket out of two of their universal brackets and was able to install the servo motor on two existing holes in the fender.
I hope this helps.
P.S. See my cautions in previous posts about the aftermarket throttle arm. Make sure it doesn't come near the fan shroud! This is important. Otherwise there is a risk of a stuck throttle ! Very dangerous !
Leearon
When you taled about a lack of oomph on slight inclines, were you referring to operation at highway speeds in 4th gear (Overdrive)? If so, in addition to what lynnann reported, I'd like to add this:
Toyota have advertised new electronic shift logic in this vehicle which minimizes "hunting" between 3rd and 4th gears on mild inclines. In case you're not familiar with the term, hunting is short for "hunting for the right gear", and refers to the tendency of some automatics to switch back and forth repeatedly between 3rd and 4th gears on hills.
Presumably, what Toyota did was to hold the transmission in 4th gear longer when it senses an increasing incline, so that once it finally decides that a downshift is necessary, it is less likely to shift back into 4th as soon as it has gained a little speed. This may account for the "mushy" feel you reported. Lynnann1 reported on the remedy.
Additionally, I have noticed that my automatic is very aggressive about upshifting when I accelerate slowly. In other words it gets into 4th gear very quickly when compared to other automatics. This is undoubtedly a fuel economy feature since, most engines are more efficient at a lower speed for a given power output. This is particularly true for the low power outputs used to accelerate gently.
The downside, of course is that you may find yourself operating in 4th gear when traveling relatively slowly while encountering an incline. Once again, Lynnann1's remedy holds.