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I paid 27 for my Acura CL it is many times, a better car than my Intrigue was, after just 5 short months & 5k miles. Service has been great, plus loaner car, 48/50k versus 36/36, plus the only service has been an oil change [switched to Mobil-1].
I would appreciate if you would try to figure out how America got to where it is at today and give up praising the Buddha..Try to picture where our society will be 25 yrs from now if everybody adopted your attitude. When Algore gives his bitter pill speech tonight please don't feel let down...Don't listen to CNN and MSNBC too long for it will totally mess up your mind...
2 years ago we replaced the motor and regulator in my sister's accord. It cost almost $500 for that repair. You won't find any american car that has parts that cost that much.
If you want to start talking about alternators, water pumps and starters we can do that too.
I haven't even talked about the proverbial timing belt replacement that the intrigue doesn't need.
How's the premium gas working out?
What happened to Olds is just the result. After one hundred years, GM still hasn't got it, that was the reason.
Stop denying the fact that Toyota or BMW does make better cars, We need to get up, NOW.
Asian cars don't cut the grade--Toyota is worse than Honda..
bz4::::::Right on with slow burn about those fragile Acuras. The Asian cars are the most sought after by the thieves due to the high cost of replacement parts...Back to Fla on Fri until 1/04/01...Sold the condo; now I have to buy somewhere and something quick...Snowing again in the Motor City; another couple inches. How's the pocket rocket???
Speaking about Asian parts; I spent about six months calling on an Asian owned supplier of a/c
compressors to the transplants and Chrysler. They kept telling me how superior their compressor was to GMs and all the while the failures at Chrysler were piling up. Never had a compressor failure in any of the high mileage GM cars. Spent 2yrs of my employment life with a Japanese company back in 82/83 as VP Sales; sure didn't impress me with work ethics or their voodoo of quality..
Good night everyone!
"... Thank you for contacting the Oldsmobile Interned Response Center.
Please be assured that Oldsmobile and General Motors are very sensitive to your concerns regarding
the decision to phase out the Oldsmobile Division.
Here is some information to answer your question:
Oldsmobile's current model lineup will continue to be produced and sold until the end of their
current product life cycles or as long as they remain economically viable.
CM will work pro actively with its dealers to ensure a smooth and orderly transition, and to ensure
that Oldsmobile customers continue to receive quality service and parts. All warranties will
continue to be honored by Oldsmobile and General Motors.
Service will be available at other General Motors dealerships. Our dealership technicians have
extensive training on GM products and
service information is readily available to satisfy all service needs.
We will continue to provide quality service and parts. Like all vehicles, the resale value of
Oldsmobile will be dependent on many factors including, consumer demand and market conditions.
Should you have further questions or need assistance, we encourage you to contact the special
Oldsmobile Assistance Center at 1-866-306-6030.
Sincerely,
Robert Roe
Customer Relationship Manager
GM Internet Response Center........"
I suggest that you use the number. I called and they started asking questions about mileage. Does GM plan to do more than just pony up $1000 to us for another GM product? Don't know, but if they receive a lot of excitable customers they may want to head off the bad PR they will be getting.
Since the OSV Intrigue isn't going to happen now (unfortunately), can you give us any specifics on what the OSV Intrigue package would have included?
What about the people who leased, do we get the bonus also?
It is not a wise thing that the morons in Detroit have done. What are they thinking up there?
1. Let's drop a few billion into a new company and call it Saturn.
2. The other divisions could have used an infusion of cash like that but, I am Roger Smith and I am all wise and all powerful.
3. Let us also get a shotgun and approach the market with two chambers loaded, pull both triggers and hope we hit something even close to the target.
4. When we actually hit the target (Intrigue/Old) we'll hope that word of mouth will move product for us. Our master plan is to make sure that the only customers that want to know about it will be the only customers that want to know about it.
5. We will sneak up on Toyota/Honda with our marketing acumen and they will be sorely afraid and shall wither and die.
6. We are CM and the ghost of Roger Smith still walks the halls and directs our marketing.
The General ain't no General any more. 2nd Lieutenant, maybe, but this isn't a flag officer running the troops.
or see more than 20 messages at a time,
or see all the messages after a particular number,
or see all the messages at once, which would alllow for easy archiving or reviewing while away from the internet connection.
Anyway, I just got back from a dealership with a friend, she has a 97 Saab 900 turbo and is looking at the CL-S. Having a Acura dealer connection, I was able to get her a deal for a used '01 with 12K for $36500cdn ($500 over what the dealer gave in trade-in value). Took it out for a spin (couldn't do too much with the border line rain/snow falling right now) and it is a pretty good deal for that price.. New for $43cdn I wouldn't do though.
My dealer friend offered my a used 00TL for $28000cdn (same $500 over trade-in) with 20K on it. I'm keeping my Intrigue.
The alternatives in GM's stable are not that attractive to me. I chose the Olds because I liked the Intrigue and I was on the verge of getting a Maxima.
Maybe they'll let me use the $1500 to get a Nissan; yeah, right.
Then again, I COULD use that $1,000 "Olds Cares" certificate to purchase that $38,000 Yukon Denali I've always wanted.
dwg
All I can say is POOR MARKETING OLDSMOBILE!
p.. I do not like this new format edmunds.
The new speller screwed it up.
Feel free to e-mail me or check my profile.My work # is Woody @ 800 450 2650
Or DRTWJ@aol.com
It really is a Great time to get ANY New Olds (2000, or 2001)!
; )
Anyway, new forum really hard on eyes, font size definitely not right for the Mac.
Has GM fired the clowns that blew 3 billion dollars and managed to put Olds out of business? Three of GM's best looking cars our put out by Olds, yet they can't even sell 300,000 this year!
As far as advertising goes, when I bought my Intrigue this summer, I stumbled on the .09% financing. Olds didn't advertise this great deal. If they were interested in moving cars it would have taken advertising!!!!! If nobody knows about it, nobody buys---which is exactly what happened.
Probably some $300,000 executive at this moment is writing a memo saying we did all we could...
Not happy with the General or as was stated earlier the Second lieutenant Motor Corporation.
Maybe GM will advertise even less now as it obviously didn't sell cars as evidenced by Olds. (when is the last time you saw a GM commercial? Compare it to Dodge or Toyota which advertise all the time)
LOL
Bryan
Bookmarks don't work, you have to start in Sedans.
Wed afternoon to Fri posts deleted - old bookmarks will still find them if you don't login.
But this place is still better than Usenet.
Doesn't it seem strange that GM advertised the new L-Series as if IT was going out of style and spent God knows how much to tell the public that they spent a billion dollars building a new factory (as if the public really needed to know that)?
It appears that GM's real focus is in building the Saturn division. They claimed that Olds was to be the import fighting division but from their actions, GM has made it crystal clear what their real intention is. I don't believe they ever really wanted to revive Olds. If they did, why didn't they put the same effort into telling the public about the new Olds lineup like they did for the very few cars Saturn sells? They probably have been planning this for years. On this site we've said things like GM will try to starve Olds out of existance. I believe that GM has been starving Olds since 94 and that everything is right on schedule as far as the suits in GM are concerned.
Flames welcome...please.
Hey Edmunds, get it right before making a site live. That's what a staging site is for!
I know the answer is NO because GM isn't going to advertise any of the things they claim they want to implement. Why should they? If they did, it would show Wagoner and is henchmen to be the fools they are. And by not advertising anymore than Olds has already done, it effectively seals the fate of the Old-est car company in America.
Just finished watching CBS Sunday Morning. According to the article, GM has cut Olds phaseout time down to 2 years. 5 to 3 to 2? After I buy my 2002 GLS I think I'm not ever coming back to GM because of their intense stupidity. They'll have to make a major turnaround (from a corporate philosophy standpoint) before I buy another car from them. Too bad; I'm an import convert and I'm sure many other are as well. Not only has GM lost us, they're abandoned any chance of getting us back again.
Now for conspiracy theories -- Several months ago at least two of us raised the issue of GM folding Olds into Saturn. I still think GM is going to upgrade the Saturn Division and make it the primary import fighter now that Olds is going away. I would not at all be surprised if the Olds concept vehicles of the last two years (Profile and O4) end up in the Saturn stable. The need will be even more pressing if the LS restyling (which, I understand, is now on a much faster track) is a failure. From what I've read, I'd have no trouble moving to a Profile based sedan when my time with the Intrigue is up in 2-3 years.
You have to wonder what the brass at GM were thinking when they introduced the Aurora. It was clearly a break from the past. Selling it with 98s, 88s, Cutlasses and Achievas wasn't the best way to get the story out about the new Olds. And yet the car still built an extremely loyal following. The phase out of Olds should really have begun then, with a gradual introduction of a new upscale line up under the Aurora brand name (as someone else has suggested). Given time, this "Aurora Division" would have built a following without the Oldsmobile baggage.
Ultimately, the phasing out of Oldsmobile is only one step in the necessary restructuring of GM. If Olds couldn't attract enough customers with its much improved new line up, what is Buick going to do in a few years when its consumer base starts to go away? I don't know too many aging baby boomers who get all misty eyed over a Buick LeSabre. The Rendezvous is interesting, and certainly looks much better than an Aztek, but why is it being introduced with the 3.4 litre v6? It is supposed to compete with crossover vehicles from Acura and Lexus. An SUV built on the GM minivan platform with an underpowered and ancient engine isn't going to attract that many sophisticated buyers.
I know that Wagoner and co. are taking a lot of heat for killing Olds at this point. I'm not so sure they deserve it. GM's mistakes with Olds were made in the post-Roger Smith era. If any thing, GM is acting rationally now by reducing its product offerings. The choice of Olds also makes sense in the short run when you track its sales numbers against Buick's. But Buick is not going to survive with its current line up. I could see a North American GM in 10 years consisting of Cadillac, Chevy, Pontiac, Saturn and GMC.
A final note. Today I found myself driving inexorably over to the local VW dealer. I feel so ashamed.
dwg
I now copy my message before attempting to post it.