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When I calculated the cost of traveling to Alabama to pick up the cost (I live 15 hours away), I contacted Coral Springs Honda in Ft. Lauderdale, Fl. and informed them of my offer and my determination to go to Alabama to get the Ody. Within 15 minutes they offered to sell me the same model for or $1,000 off the MRSP price. While Moore-Stewarts offer was better, time is money and the costs associated with traveling to Alabama including having to take two days off from work made COral Springs offer reasonable. I got the Ody that same night!!!!!
When I went to the dealership I wanted to find one of the 2004 clearance vans and they did not have any. They convinced me to get a 2005 when they gave me such an aggressive price.
Could you provide the name of the dealer in your area that is willing to match the $950 over invoice price? How is your wait time for your van?
Thanks,
Michigan dealer was in Grand Rapids.
I love this van!
Like at least one other here, I have emailed Jay Honda and got no reply at all.
Apparently they are just trying to sell vehicles in a new way.
I know I can get an extended warranty as long as the manufacturer's warranty is in effect. Can any one suggest a company so I can get a quote??
I like my Oddysey, but would have gladly waited 6-12 months for a $3,000 discount.
The '05 has some great upgrades and has most paying MSRP once again. If your current car is working fine, you might want to wait a year or less to save a couple grand off MSRP.
Here is the deal Bedard offered me:
2005 Odyssey, Silver EX-L for $28,548 + %5 MA tax.
I live in NJ and would have to pick up the minivan.
I would have to provide registration and plates.
I would have to send a check for $500 dollars to order the minivan which should be available in Jan '05.
What do you think? Sounds like a good deal to me provided I get the details in writing.
Bedard Brothers has requested that I tell both forums, edmunds and odyclub that they are so inundated with customers that they will be offering the 950 over invoice only to what they have instock. So call and talk to them. Maybe they have exactly the van you want. We have ordered a Silver Touring with NAV. We will be taking the plates off our old van and driving up there in our CRV to pick up the van sometime after the 10 of Nov.
I have no affiliation with them. Just one of the early email/internet customers.
I never know if I have the word "sap" written across my face and that everyone else is getting a better deal than me. Right now they only have 2 05s on the lot, so it doesn't look good for me to get any discounts anytime soon!
Do you like your new Ody? I've only seen about 3 05 Odys here in the minivan capital of the world.
IN NYC area, I got basically same price for EXL with DVD and Nav, 34,095 or more, except for one dealer in Brooklyn, NY 32,600.00
1. Duthler Honda.
2. EXL
3. Should be in between 1 & 10 Nov.
4. Good luck.
I called the Bedard Bros dealer in Mass. The gentlemen there was absolutely ready to sell me an o5 ody for $950 over invoice. He seemed like a real straight shooter. Sure, he would have to locate the car. But it you want a exl with leather, dvd, & navi - so will everybody else. Hardly any dealers have these on the lots. Most guys I researched have the base touring, the full blown touring, and base ex's. Not too many of the exl's with leather, dvd, & nav sitting around waiting to be had.
So I began beating up my local dealers with the Bedard price. Called 6 dealers, 5 said no way, or msrp-$500. One guy said msrp-$1000. This took 15 minutes. Then I went to my first choice dealer, the one where I bought my Accord and where I spend thousands of dollars a year in service and regularly scheduled maintenance. He wouldn't match the price either. But, he would do $33,500 - that's about $1,110 under msrp. That number is real because I was at the dealer live in person. He didn't have the car either, I'd have to wait up to 8 weeks. I could have easily gotten another 2 or 300 off that number if I was willing to pitch a fit. He also offered me just a touch below wholesale on my trade-in. How nice.
My guess is that the guys at Bedard will have a little trouble satisfying all the calls there getting on this $950 over invoice deal. But, if you ask me it's worth the wait if your within a 5 hr drive. I say everyone out there should beat the tar out of there local dealers with this guys price. You'll be able to get way under msrp in less than an hours work. As for me, I'm going to wait a few more months, and I will be buying one for $950 over invoice - or less!
The Ody is BIG, much larger then the Villager BUT my wife and I are getting use to it. We looked at the Sienna but the need for premimum fuel turned me off. Also price of 05 LE with #5 package at Fleet price was $27,300, about a grand less then what I got the Ody. So far our Ody has given 19.6 and 20.9 mpg for our first two fillups. The engine is tight and hope mileage improves with time.
Fit and finish is excellent. A good amount of plastic but well done. No coin holder was a surprise the first time I started looking for it. Engine has plenty of power/torque and smooth.
Complains: I wish the rear windows would pop open as on the Villager. Also it doesn't have auto locks when you put it in drive. Other then that it's been GREAT.
One thing to note..I noticed a clunk in the transmission going from Drive to Reverse. Took it to the dealer and they had mechanics all over it to check it out. Even a call into Honda. Jimmy from service decided to check the EX and Touring they have there an the lot and guess what..they both did the same thing. Looks like it's normal! Anyone else with an 05 find the same thing?
Strawboss1 you can't go wrong with the Ody. Good luck. You're right..Kingwood has to be the minivan capital of the world..
Enjoy the new Ody! (My Kingwood friend has a '95ish Quest).
Steve, Host
you don't need to buy it right away,
you can get it as long as your current factory
warranty is in effect.
If it was a 2005 Ody that you bought, it's still a great deal and it would've been almost impossible to get $1,700 off. So even if you did know about the junk fee, your deal would likely not be any better in the end. Just enjoy the car and don't beat yourself up over this.
1. 2% off of my finance rate.
2. Warranty upgrade from 3yrs/36K miles to 6yr/72K miles.
3. Vin Etch Package with $5000 payback if the car is stolen with 5yrs.
4. Daytime Running Lights
5. Alarm upgrade to a key remote passive system
6. Alarm upgrade to the key remote passive system (item #5 above), which provides a disabler, microphone, motion and window sensors.
Have anyone heard of such a package???
Is this package worth it???
Doesn't the 2005 Odyssey EX-L already come with a security package which includes: An Active Remote Alarm and Embolizer Key System???
Have anyone buy additional security systems???
I'm Confused! Any advice appreciated!!!
Thanks in advance!
Steve, Host
"2% off of my finance rate"
This is called a "buy down". Which can be a good thing or a bad thing. What was the rate before the 2% discount, and if you don't mind your credit score.
They claimed my credit score is around 6% which is definitely higher than what I can acquire elsewhere. It's probably higher by 1.5%.
Basically, they jacked up my regular base rate and then offer to take off 2% only with an additional $2900 of spending.
Just as a fyi...I will also be posting messages in two other Odyssey forums.. "The Case for the Touring" (why the 12 extra features of the Touring model are worth the money) in the Honda Odyssey 2005+ discussion and "Top of the Line Comparison" (20 reasons why we purchased the Touring NAV/RES over the Sienna LTD NAV/RES). This will be in the Odyssey vs Sienna - 2005 discussion.
As for pricing, here are my tips and observations:
1. Pricing depends on local supply and demand. Period.
2. If the price sounds too good to be true, it probably is. It appears that 2005 Odysseys are generally selling between MSRP and MSRP - $1000. I'm sure there are some exceptions out there, but dealers who are discounting below this range are running out of inventory very quick. Or there is significant waiting time. These dealers will also be quick to realize that they can charge more for this vehicle.
3. Pricing may vary by trim level. There are now seven Odysseys available for 2005. The most popular reported models (at least in the Mid Atlantic) are the EXL-RES and the Touring NAV/RES.
4. Pricing may vary by exterior color. New colors are always the most popular (e.g. Silver Pearl, Slate Green, Ocean Mist).
5. Pricing may vary by interior color. The black leather is apparently very popular. Perhaps in part because it is a Honda exclusive in the minivan market. It also helps that black looks the most opulent and is the most durable. IMHO, it is also a great match with the standard silver/charcoal dash in all models.
6. If you are waiting for demand to cool off and prices to drop significantly, you may be waiting a long time. I think demand may actually increase for three primary reasons:
a) Marketing. As you probably noticed, Honda is increasing Odyssey mass marketing big time on TV and in popular magazines. The Honda zealots already have their 2005 vans so Honda is now reaching out to the masses. Not to mention the upcoming winter auto shows. Some nice reviews in automotive and finance magazines don't hurt either.
b) Visibility. As more Odysseys hit the street, the more people take notice and research online (especially this site!).
c) Word of mouth. Nothing perhaps gets people more excited about a new vehicle that hearing about it from a friend or relative.
7. Increased production in North America for this model doesn't necessarily translate to lower prices. It may just mean shorter wait time for the trim level and color you really want. Of course, if demand increases, the wait time may only get worse before it gets better.
8. Focus on the bottom line price. There were three accessories I knew I wanted beforehand and I strongly recommend:
a) Wheel locks (On the Touring model, this is a no-brainer. Very valuable alloys and tires).
b) Splash guards (Subtle cosmetic item that will help protect the lower panels of your expensive van).
c) Rear cargo tray (Another no-brainer. A must have to protect the area behind the third bench from mud, etc. The tray does not impede the flat folding seats).
The van purchase price was $400 under but I asked for these items ($300 value) installed and free of charge. I also negotiated for a drop in the dealer processing fee.
9. If the van has accessories already installed that you do not need, have them removed. If they have pinstripes installed, please remove them immediately!
10. Lastly, do not lose sight of vehicle value and cost of ownership. The Honda Odyssey has had the highest resale value in the minivan market. If you compare, for example, a deep discounted T&C to a near MSRP Odyssey, the purchase price of the Chrysler is significantly lower. But if you factor in historical resale value (as a %), the Honda is a less expensive van. Run the numbers. Discounts on new Siennas today are not doing existing Toyota minivan owners any favors.
Hope this helps. Best of luck!
The moral of the story is to shop around even if you have to drive a little and don't forget that monthends are the time when dealers are being pushed to give you better deals due to the sales pressure.
I too am torn between the Sienna. I am looking at a 2005 XLE with option 5 or 6. MSRP is around $36k, selling price around $33.5 I would think. From what I can tell, this model/option is very similar to the Odyssey EX-L RES. So, even though the Honda is closer to MSRP, the actual sell price is still less than the Sienna. What was your deciding factor for the Sienna?
I was also considering a 2005 Honda EXL and 2005 Toyota Sienna XLE with Pacakage#6 or 13 or 14 or 15. Its very difficult to get the Package you want in the color your want when buying a Sienna. Both are comparable vehicles but if you want AWD Sienna is the only option. If you don't need it your can buy a Odyssey. If you like rich lexus like interiors or read lift gate, Sienna is the way to go. If you like a powerful, smooth engine, drive quality with decent interiors Odyssey is the way to go. One more thing to consider is that buying Odyssey at MSRP is cheaper than buying a Sienna at close to invoice. Many dealers are offering anywhere in between $500 - $2000 below MSRP. I am buying Odyssey EXL for about $1700 below MSRP.
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Where did you get such a good deal on the EXL-RES? I e-mailed the internet manager at Nalley Honda in Brunswick, GA yesterday and the best deal they would offer was $500 under MSRP. Not even close to the deal that dex spoke of. Plus they wanted $399 doc fee and $249 for VIN etching, neither of which I'm interested in.
As per my prior post, the deal at Nally in Brunswick is no longer valid. Sorry about that. If you go the Sienna route, the best place I found was Fairway Toyota in Albany. Their quote was around the carsdirect invoice for an 05 Sienna (LTD and XLE) and they told me they could get it without the Toyoguard. If I went for an 05 (as opposed to the 04 I bought), I would have bought via their internet dept. Good luck.
Dex
I might be able to help you here. I also have been going through the same comparison between the Honda and Toyota. I just purchased (but not received yet) the Honda from the dealer in Renton,WA. We choose the Honda because it was the clear winner in terms of how it drives. Handling, acceleration, how it grips the road, etc. The Sienna was nice, but not nearly as fun to drive. We also wanted 8 passenger seating with leather and you can't do that in the Sienna without aftermarket leather.
Anyway, before you drive to Idaho you might call the Renton dealer's internet dept. They sold me the car for MSRP (plus fog lights on the vehicle I wanted). It was the Ex-l w/Res. I also found a dealer in Greshem, Or that was willing to do the deal at MSRP.
Good luck.