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I chime in because even as i write, my M is in the dealers service with a bad a/c. They charged & did the leak detection dye last week & of course, two day later its blowing 'cool' not cold( big difference when its 95 degrees out). I'm at 59,181 & extended warranty runs out at 60,000 so I'm hoping not to get ripped for this repair. I'll keep you posted on the outcome.
Sugar
If you have a car that can go 140mph, and you mount tires that are rated only up to 118, what is the risk of legal liability?
1. If you are driving. You should assume that you will be found negligent for any accident caused in the U.S. while you are driving the car over 118 mph, regardless of whether there is tire failure. Driving at that speed anywhere in the U.S is illegal, and it would undoubtedly be found to be a breach of the duty of reasonable care that every driver owes to passengers and others on the road. Whether a tire blows or someone pulls into your lane in front of you, most juries will probably find that YOU caused the accident, at least in part, by driving at that speed. Exceeding the speed rating of a tire may make an accident more likely (the tires are now in danger of blowing), but this can be avoided if you simply never exceed the speed rating while you drive.
2. If someone else drives the car while you own it. That driver would likely be found negligent for any accident caused while driving over 118 mph (see above). However, most states allow juries to apportion percentages of fault among multiple parties who are found to have been partially at fault in causing an accident, and liability for damages is allocated based on those percentages. If this accident occurred when a tire blew at speeds higher than 118 mph, would you be found negligent? Under negligence law generally, one only has to exercise reasonable care to prevent injuries to others which are reasonably foreseeable. I think the owner could argue, if he loans his car to another person, that it was not in the least foreseeable that that person would drive the car more than 45 mph faster than the highest speed limit in this country. However, if the owner is in the car while this happens, or if the owner loans the car to someone who says he intends to drive at >118 mph, I think the possibility of a blowout would be foreseeable. What is the owner's duty if he loans the car to someone else? Arguably it would only be to warn the borrower that the car's tires are limited to 118 mph and forbid exceeding that speed. If you don't get it in writing, that person could always deny it, though. An injured third party could also argue that it is foreseeable that the borrower would ignore your warning, and that you breached your duty of care by putting "inadequate" tires on the car and then loaning it to someone else.
3. If you sell the car. I would get a written acknowledgment signed by the buyer that the car has tires limited to 118 mph. The buyer should then be responsible for how the car is used.
Bottom line: Is there some potential of legal liability if an owner puts lower-rated tires on the car? Yes. How high is that risk? Probably pretty low if the owner will never exceed the tires' lower speed rating and is quite careful about who else will drive the car. Personally, I plan to keep V-rated tires on my PHG M, but that's not because of legal liability issues. ;-)
dye and refrig are added back into the system. the
eq that the svc dept uses recovers the refrigerant
so that it doesn't escape into the atmosphere.
having a/c work done on a car is kinda like being between a rock and hard place...if they detect a leak, it must be fixed or the system cannot be recharged, legally. this has been my experience...they must be careful...they could lose their license and incur a nasty fine. jackg
Also, if I buy a new Chrysler 300M, is this Des Moines dealer legit? Do they underwrite the risk themselves or re-insure? Is it the same contract all Chrysler dealers sell? Sorry for all the questions, but if I get a new car I'm getting the contract. Thanks, Phil
1. DC dealers can discount the price of DC extended warranty contracts as they wish; it just cuts into their profit on the sale of the contract. This dealer offers a significant discount, as does at least one other (see the FAQ page of the Club's web site, www.300mclub.org). I think some owners have gotten their local dealer to match the price that these guys charge for the contract (makes sense, why would your dealer choose not to sell it and make a small profit, if they know you will buy it from another dealer otherwise). My understanding is it is the official DC extended warranty, the same as if you bought it at your dealer.
2. Yes, I think all of these start from the date your car is put into service. If your car has been in service for three years and has 45K miles, buying a three year, 100K warranty would do you no good.
3. I think you have to buy a DC extended warranty while your car is still under warranty, but I may well be wrong on this point.
Used car warranties can be purchased on cars beyond the warranty period. They ususally are not as inclusive and cost more. Also, some manufacturers may only allow them to be sold on used cars at the time of purchase. Others may allow purchase at any time, but may require a that a dealer inspect the car for pre-existing failures.
If you call around, you may find a dealer willing to sell the extended warranties for $100.00 over cost just to sell one more. There may be contests going on or dealer bonuses at certain levels, that aren't public knowledge. It can't hurt to try.
Denverm: I think you correct on all accounts. I will look into using the discounted warranty prices to negotiate when I buy one. RUSSKLASS told me as I recall that he was able to get almost 50% cut off the price of his from the dealer. The way I figure it, it really doesn't have much if any value for the first three years, so discounting it by at least $200-300 for the time value of money is a given.
Since our son was born, I haven't been in here for a while, but I have a problem on my 2001 300M. I remember maybe a year ago, there were several people (including beach15) who had problems with their interior lights intermittently going on and off, regardless of how the switch in the dash was set. Does anyone remember what they did to fix it?
Also, my cruise control turned it self off in the middle of a trip (including the indicator light) and didn't come back on until I had stopped and re-started the car. Anyone else experience this? Thanks.
Phil
As for warranties - a 3/100k would depend on what kind of warranty. If it's a chrysler warranty, they specifically state that the years AND miles start from 0/0. However, many aftermarket warranties state that the years start from date of purchase, but the miles from 0 - therefore a 3/100k purchased on a 2 year old car would run till 5yr/100k.
Kenvan:It is most likely the headlight switch.
Silver Bullet
Oh, some news here too. I start a new job on Monday. Thanks everyone for you good wishes.
CONGRATULATIONS on the new job. Hope all goes well. Have you checked your e-mail? ;-))
fastdriver
You bet! Inferno Red with white leather! ;-)))
fastdriver
removing it...it's not so much internal; the leak
is from the coils, generally, and only when it's
removed, can you see the leak.
the costs of checking the system can put a new perspective on extended warrantys. especially with
a/c problems. the systems are very complex and if there is a problem with the compressor and the problem is not diagnosed soon after the fault occurs, the entire system can be contaminated with metal shavings and now you are talking about
thousands of dollars (no kidding). this kind of problem is much more apparent because generally you can hear the compressor starting to go. sometimes, it's just the clutch and that's not too
bad, cost wise...couple hundred...but if it's the compressor and it self destructs; standby for some serious repair bills...jackg
L-ville.
sdmike2- congas on the job, but you gave the M to your brother to use. I love my bro , BUT !!!
bigmike5, we have not built an 03 Specials yet, but I promise you will love the Graphite. Also we have started painting the new black for 03 , man is this nice in the sun. Lots of metal flake, I really liked it.
Was in Indy over the weekend , got to see Awesome Bill win the Brickyard 400. Great race.
1)In case you haven't read my ravings, I just got an '02 Special. I found the speaker wires crossed on the front speakers. The car has a build date of 6-02. Hadn't they already corrected the problem by then?
2)Has the thin rubber "mat" in the console been eliminated for 2002?
3)Is there any way you can assist me in obtaining the "infinity" emblems for the front door tweeter grilles? Apparently that has also been taken off the '02s. My dealer says the only way to get them is to order the grile assembly which includes the speakers!
4)If I get you the VIN, can you give any great stories about the production of the car:date it began production, date it completed, did you work on it, did someone accidentally put in an experimental 400 HP engine, fun things like that?
How can you pass your girl friend for others to use and abuse ??? 8>(. She will remember AKA: Christine
to sdmike2: congrats on the new job--now I'M UNEMPLOYED after 28 years at the Fed. I've been downsized along with 4 other top-graded, top-salaried folks. Figures, right?..they never, EVER cut management folk....much too importante I guess even if the management folks are a bunch of scroo-ups...
Am actively surfinng the web looking for job as web designer, graphics guy either in NJ or NY. Of course, after 9/11/01, I'd rather it be in NJ--more opportunity to drive eMily....have a couple of headhunters scoping some stuff out, but I have read the average time to get new yob is 7-8 months. GOT 1 year salary, paid for 10 weeks UN-USED vacation, $$$ for school plus (yuchh I hate this expression...) outplacement services for 3 months, and get to keep all medical benefits except for dental which I'll have for 6 months at lower rate, then can re-up for additioanl 12 months at full rate
When it rains, it pours Department:.
My schweetie is facing THREE more surgeries--one on the same shoulder/rotator cuff tear (seems they missed the second tear..), then one on other shoulder and one on knee. W
300m question:838 messages since I last checked this forum, and whats at the top of the last page (to me, anyway?..) a light show question. Here's MY question to ALL who have had this problem. I've had eMily to dealer today about same thing. Those of you who know me also know I've had TWO BCM's replaced. Some here have had 'light switch' (I know theres another name for it...) replaced. This problem has reared its ugly head again with dashboard lights flicking on and off with associated clicking/relay noise from driver side under dash. They of course "could not duplicate problem".
I told Service rep about club and how several (my guess now is about a dozen?...) members/posters here have had same/similar problem.
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drpixel
What I need is for any of you who have had this problem to please email me to home email address ASAP as I am returning to dealer next Tuesday (8/13) to have this taken care of. I need to know if there is an OFFICIAL TSB on this problem, whether or not your 5* DC dealer fixed problem OR went to Dodge 5* dealer to get fixed. I told them that several had gone to DC dealer, who was unable to solve problem.They seem to think (after speaking with DC..) that this problem could be related to a #300 ground wire (located UNDER driver seat.....hmmmm) which can cause the following: light show, seat moving forward on its own, dash lights flickering/flashing, door locks going up/down, gas gauge reading empty, head lights flashing, etc.
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home email is GBeye@att.net include member number in message subject so I can tell your message from spam/etc. okay? Good to see you all and be back posting. Job search is terrifying as its been 28 years since I wrote a resume.......
Take care,
unemployed drpixel/Glenn
Doc
He said he would mail my credit card receipt that day and that I would get policy direct from Chrysler in 2 to 3 weeks.
Got the receipt in two days and papers from Chrysler in about a week.
He explained that he only gives this price to out of state buyers on the net who he could not hope to make a sale to at regular prices. He said Chrysler could car less what he sells them for just like the don't car what he sells a car for. He said if he sells a dozen contracts a week at $200.00 profit on the net that's $2400.00 extra profit per week for the business.
By the way he offers the contracts for cars up to 48 months old.
Any chance you will be coming to Detroit now that you have some leisure? If you need help to get around I found a place on Yahoo and I recommended it to Roger that will rent one of those scooters that older folks use to zip around. The shop was close to Detroit Metro and had a good rate for the rental. Its fairly portable and it will run all day on the battery. Should save the knees for those who have trouble. Let me know if you need the address and phone. Would love to meet you in person at the Cruise.
Otto-- Any chance that their will be any Graphite Ms on the lot up there when we come thru? Need to see that color live before pushing the frau to let me buy. Given the fact the dealer here just got in their first 02 Special the chances of seeing an 03 Graphite here are practically nil. There is one big dealer in L-ville who might could get one, but I doubt I'd drive up there just to see one. They screwed me around when I was trying to buy the 99.
no chiller...if you did bring the car back and they don't see a leak, then they could recharge it and as long as the leak isn't present at that time, you should be good to go...it may go a couple of years before the refrig is depleted to the point where she won't blow cold, or it might be a month, i don't think there's any way to know.
jackg
Aztek or Rendezvous? Yeah, a little odd looking, but very high quality. GM in 2002 is nowhere near the level it was in the 60's to mid 90's, btu still isn't perfect. Then again, neither is Chrysler as it becomes more and more German by the day, losing more and more money as sales have yet to go up. Ford is just a whole other story in and of itself.
You had bad luck, and we've had nothing bt excellent luck. That just happens sometimes.
the refrig is depleted there will be a point were the compressor is running w/o lubrication...this is what leads to the catatrosphic type failure, where the compressor continuess to run and self destruct. i don't know if the 300m has the diagnostic circuitry for monitoring itself and shutting the compressor down when the refrif gets too low. that's what the caddy will do, you'll get a msg on the dic telling you the refrig is low and eventually, it will shut itself off and create a msg on the dic to that effect. jackg
Dr.P: don't get too bummed out. It happend to Mrs Sugar in 1998; took her about 11 months to find another (without looking too hard). She'll tell you those were the best 11 months she ever had! & all the best to Mrs. Dr P.
SD: congrats & good luck. Sorry you didn't win the lottery & just retire.
Sugar
replacement parts that are not made to the specs of the auto manufacturer, especially the compressor, but the i've seen evaps go south after a couple of years and they were off the shelf stuff.
some people have their cars for years and never touch the a/c system...seems to be luck of the draw..hopefully this won't be a problem area for the 300m...a/c systems can rival the transmission for expensive repairs. jackg
Sugar
Sugar, you have a leak too? Yikes, sorry man! Let me know how it goes....pleeeeeeeese. And..I love the description as the "gamble year" 1999! That's what I have too, although I have the PHP. I have actually thought about buying another one, but with a warranty contract this time, but then my wife nudges me and I wake up. I chaulk it up to being raised to forgive, but not forget. Phil
Can you convince the new company to send you to Draam Cruise as a signing bonus?