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It seems obvious to me she bought a status symbol, not transportation.... Being able to ride in it was a plus for her, but it wasn't the reason she bought it.
What C&D issue had the comparison test? I have May, June and July 2013 issues and there is no such test.
He would have gotten 1/2 the tarde-in amount for his US Steel after the NHTSA news! Let's just say He had a burning desire.:shades:
In unrelated Fire news, here's more reason to think 630K times before buying a Chrysler:
Chrysler said Thursday that it will recall more than 409,000 Jeep Patriot and Compass small SUVs around the world from the 2010 and 2012 model years to fix air bag and seat-belt problems.
It's also recalling 221,000 Jeep Wranglers worldwide from 2012 and 2013 to fix transmission fluid leaks, according to documents posted Thursday on the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration website
I can't believe they don't have redundancy on the cruise control to turn it off. If the switch is bad, the cruise won't turn off. There should be another parallel system to abort the cruise control. Shades of the Saylor family toyota in California with the runaway acceleration.
"Korean automakers Hyundai and Kia are recalling almost 1.9 million vehicles to fix problems with air bags and brake light switches.
The switch recall covers almost 1.7 million vehicles — most of the automakers' model lineups from the 2007 through 2011 model years.
In addition, Hyundai Motor Co. is recalling about 194,000 Elantra compacts from 2011 to 2013 to fix an air bag problem.
A faulty switch can stop the brake lights from illuminating when drivers press on the pedal, the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said in documents posted Wednesday on its website. Also, the cruise control may not turn off when a driver steps on the brake, push-to-start buttons may not work, and a feature that stops the driver from shifting out of park without a foot on the brake may fail.
"Failure to illuminate the stop lamps during braking or inability to disengage the cruise control could increase the risk of a crash," NHTSA said in the documents.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/04/04/hyundai-and-kia-recalling-1-million-cars/#ixzz2VilDJ2Ks
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
What C&D issue had the comparison test? I have May, June and July 2013 issues and there is no such test.
Per this earlier poster, it was C&D, although I wonder if he might have meant 'Automobile':
You may be thinking about the Car and Driver test of the same month. No Taurus in that test, but the Azera was tested in addition to the same other cars, plus the Charger. Avalon won that comparo, with Impala keeping the same #2 spot, Kia in fifth and Hyundai in last place. The two Chrysler products were in the middle.
2024 Ram 1500 Longhorn, 2019 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2019 Ford Mustang GT Premium, 2016 Kia Optima SX, 2000 Pontiac Trans Am WS6
I would agree that it seems a bit of poor engineering to have so much rely on a single switch, but at the same time, I'm not sure if other manufacturers might not do exactly the same thing.
It wasn't all that long ago that Ford had fire-related issues with leaking brake line switches that were constantly powered on one side, even with the ignition off.
http://trucks.about.com/od/carsafety/a/ford_cruise.htm
Maybe everyone should be using a little bit better quality switch...
Thanks for pointing this out to circlew.
I will test drive the Cadenza tomorrow as I am scheduled to fix my Optima brake switch on the recall.
I still do not see any '14 Impalas at my local Chevy dealer!??? I plan to test drive it asap (v-6 only).
The local Kia dealer has had 2 Cadenzas in the last 3 weeks in the showroom.
GM offers big rebates on the Chevy Volt
Seriously that might be a good deal for someone who is currently pushing around a gas hog. You could pay off about $200 per month on that car from the gas you'd save in a year. Of course, interest on the loan might eat some of that up.
Got a ride in a friend's Tesla S Saturday. An interesting experience, and very nice, in every respect, but it's not for me. He mentioned that he gets free parking in some downtown DC garages (maybe just in the evenings), and free charging. Plus, he obviously avoids the gas tax. That's wonderful, but the rest of us subsidize those freebies.
I like the S, it's a cool car - but the financials behind it are as broken as this oligarchy in general.
But at $200/month, the right person could actually make the numbers work. Of course, those numbers aren't really market based.
2014 Toyota Corolla
It can't touch my 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS for sporty styling and great handling and ride, however.
BTW-I spotted a '67 VW Bug in white for sale locally here right in Alamogordo, NM. It's at a small one-man dealer located just west of town on Highway 70. He wants $3,000 and doesn't know how many miles are on the car. It's body is straight and has newer tires and wheels. If I were a single man I'd go make him an offer, but I'm not a single man!
Oh, yes, standard transmission purist types, it's a 4-speed stick shift. Oh no. How am I going to stay away from there now, car nuts? It's just what I want! If it passes the test-drive that will never be I'd offer him $2,500 and get it. If I were a single man.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Luxurious? Check. Fast? Check. Quiet? Very. Contemporary, tasteful styling? Absolutely. Good ride? As good as any comparable Euro model. Novel? For sure. What's missing, then? For me, it lacked soul. I know that's an elusive term, but that's the best single word that comes to mind to describe what the Tesla S lacks.
Many VW aficionados consider the 1967 Beetle to be the best of the classic bugs. It was the first year they went from 6v to 12v electrical, yet predates significant smog controls. I believe that the 4 speed was the only tranny until 1968 when the "auto stick" was also introduced. You can tell a '67 because it has the old chrome bumpers but the headlights are vertical rather than sloped with the fender. There are also two bolt-on backup lights on the rear bumper. The following year, 1968 Beetle was the first year that the new chrome with black stripe bumper style was introduced.
Depending on the automaker's response, NHTSA will decide whether to issue a formal finding and then convene a public hearing, a final step before ordering a recall, the Detroit News reported. The safety agency says Chrysler "contravened industry trends," as well as its own practices in non-Jeep vehicles by placing the fuel tanks in a vulnerable location behind the rear axle. The resulting fires were caused by gas leaking from punctured fuel tanks in rear-end crashes, causing the deaths of 51 people, the Detroit News reported.
NHTSA gives Chrysler June 18 deadline on Jeep recall
Is Ford losing its quality edge?
As KCRam put it elsewhere, "What's to stop them from demanding all remaining 1964-1/2 Mustangs be refitted with airbags because the occupants are "at risk"?"
I'm amazed that there are any Jeeps that old still running. :P
The really interesting part of the article was glossed over---that automakers are figuring out ways to isolate and interpret complaints and create target patterns, so that they can recall fewer cars but more quickly.
In other words, they are casting a smaller net it seems, to catch the fish they really want.
Once I got out on the road and accelerated, I noticed something seemed a bit funny. Then, when I got out to the main road and had to get up to cruising speed, I realized what it was...the sucker was staying in 4th gear the whole time! And. let me tell you, even a 5.7 Hemi doesn't have much power when you have to accelerate from a standstill in 4th gear!
Got to work okay, which was only a 2.5 mile trip. And once I was there, I put it in park, turned it off, and then turned it back on and put it in gear Seemed okay then. Hopefully this is just a one-time glitch, and not a harbinger of things to come!
FWIW, yesterday on the drive home, I had downshifted to 4th gear, coming down the final hill before home, so it wouldn't pick up too much speed. So, for whatever reason, I guess it "remembered" I had put it in 4th, and didn't want to get out of it!
But, if it turns out to be a major ordeal, who should I blame? The Italians, the Americans, or the Mexicans? :P
As long as people are dying.
The UAW! :shades:
I dunno...I think that at some point, there should be a cutoff. For instance, my '79 5th Avenue decided it wanted to be a Ford product last year, and started leaking gasoline. Well, now that I think about it, it was designed by some Ford designers and stylists who bailed on Ford and went to Chrysler a few years before Iacocca, so perhaps there's a connection there? :P
Anyway, it turns out it was just the area where the fuel filler goes into the gas tank, and was a fairly cheap fix. The car was also roughly 34 years old at that point (10/78 build date), so can I really hold Chrysler to blame for it?
...or executive bonuses. Let's be fair about both of these groups of greed!
Man, you keep my vintage VW Bug fire flamed! You are officially my Edmunds.com vintage VW Bug resource, ya know that? Thank you for that '67 VW Bug information. I'm in the stage where when at stores and malls and bookstores I'm looking for books and magazines on '60-'70 VW Bugs. Oh yeah, I've been bitten by the old Bug bug bad.
Yeah, I haven't detailed out the horiontal vs. vertical headlight thing you're talking about regarding MY 1967 for my Beetle...I...I mean his '67 VW Bug in white for sale. I will take drives there occasionally and stare at the car for detailed looks at the little classic dynamo. This old V-Dub looks great, certain people just know what paint-tire-wheel combos look best on the old cars. And this is one of them. And this person chose one of my favorite colors for old Bugs to paint theirs while they owned it: white. Classic white.
It doesn't have a front bumper and since the lot is barb-wired, I haven't seen the rear of the car yet at all. So I'll look. This car looks fantastic without the front bumper, it really adds to the great "cuteness factor" of the car. And tlong, I have also noticed that old VW Bug afficionados heap praise upon MY 1967 as being a more-than-normal year of old Bug to cherish.
I can spot a back bumper from the driveway but wouldn't know until I make a purchase offer...I...I mean take a test drive in the car, or at least can do a proper walk-around the car and spend a little bit more time around the car. I have a weird feeling that in this economy this Bug is going to sit like that on the lot for sale for several more weeks at least. So the rogue pursuit will pant on for iluv's pursuit of his own chunk of automotive history. It's going to be a near-impossible quest, though, because of finances and different opinions on how many cars we need in the household. How many "babies" we need in our stable, so to speak. :shades:
And most real car enthusiasts shouldn't be surprised when I tell you all that getting parts for these pups is like walking into any Autozone for some bug juice, IOW's not gonna be a problem. At all. I'll have to work on a stalwart plan on how to fit this baby into our plans. Better than the "how much is that doggie in the window" plan I'm living right now!
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Kind of ironic considering how difficult it is sometimes to buy parts for a 5 year old American car!
steve, you're right, I'll bet it doesn't have an A/C. It may have a radio, V-Dub put in the old pushbutton kind for years upon years. But I could put a stereo in later I spose.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Took a 2009 Lancer GTS with a manual trans for a test drive. It's definitely a sharp looking car. I did like how it drove, very tight handling and the ride was good considering how well it handled. I thought it would be quicker, but it's been a long time since I've driven 4cyl compact. It wasn't slow, but definitely not particularly quick either. The only thing I really didn't like about it was how bad the road noise was. It was loud enough to the point my soon to be 15 year old daughter complained about how loud it was. The car only had 25k miles on it and the low profile Goodyears looked like they were in excellent shape, but maybe they hadn't been rotated properly.
Anyway, I've been thinking about just keeping the Expedition (until it dies) and buy a car to drive around town and to give to my daughter next year (or at least have around for her to use). Been looking for a fuel efficient sporty compact with a manual. But my brother has thrown a wrench into my plans. He offered me his '10 Fusion Sport with 35k miles on it for around $13k with a set of Bizzacks on rims. IMO, that's a deal I can't pass up. Sure it doesn't get great gas mileage or have a manual trans, but it is a good looking (IMO) sporty sedan. With the the 3.5 it's definitely quick enough, probably quicker than I'd want my daughter driving, but I'll deal with that later..... Anyway, in the next month or so we may have another Ford in the driveway. That will make 3! My wife should be getting her new '13 Taurus any day to replace her '10 any day now.
Did I post this yet?
"FYI: Between 2006 and 2011, patent activity in the alternative power area grew by 182 percent, more than *any other* technological area in the automotive industry. Toyota, Honda and GM filed for roughly 22,255 unique patent inventions in that 5 year time period."
That said, I am very dis-swayed from considering BMW as my next vehicle purchase in LARGE part due to this witnessed damage caused by a fire in her BMW 335i coupe!
In my experience it will be harder to find interior-type parts than anything mechanical. But I suspect that it would still be easier to find old interior parts of a '60s-vintage bug than even some American cars from the '80s or '90s.
The 2014 CTS standard model, which was unveiled only a couple of months ago at the New York Auto Show, will start at $46,025, including $925 destination charge, about $6,000 more than the current version.
That's a huge price leap even for a car as initially well received as the CTS redo. Cadillac officials think the new CTS will take on the likes of BMW and Mercedes-Benz.
"CTS has always been Cadillac's centerpiece, and as our brand expands and elevates the car properly grows to its true place," says David Leone, CTS executive chief engineer, in a statement. "CTS will directly challenge the luxury midsize competition with uncompromised performance, luxury and technology."
Perhaps not.
Watch HyunKia now....
When you make junk, you die by the junk. Chrysler still hadn't learned that until the second failure.
You have to pay to play. :shades:
Investigators may decide whether a vehicle poses "unreasonable risk to safety" based on several factors, including whether a vehicle design is defective. That, along with the fire rate, is why NHTSA says it is ordering a recall.
Randy Whitfield, of the statistical research company Quality Control Systems, has analyzed the Jeep fire rate and believes it's high enough compared to similar SUVs to support a recall request. But he also says that is not the point, adding that "the statistical significance of differences in rates by itself tells us nothing about whether the rates reflect reasonable choices in design."
At the end of the day, it will probably be settled as in this case:
In the GM pickup case, NHTSA threatened to sue GM to force a huge pickup truck recall because the agency argued the placement of the fuel tank -- ahead of the axle and on the sides of the trucks outside the frame rails -- made them unreasonably vulnerable to fires in certain side crashes. Then-Transportation Secretary Federico Pena overruled his agency staff, requested a recall and threatened a lawsuit. But the Administration then, in effect, overruled him when it brokered a settlement with GM.
For how long then? 20 years? 40 years? Chrysler been through a bankruptcy and two or three owners since 1993.