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Mazda Protegé



  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I know, I live in the city and the air outside does stink. Maybe the Protege needs like one of those pollen/particulate filters to filter the air coming from outside in through the ventilation system. They really work.

    Gas here is going currently for 1.27 in the cheap places (that's premium, which I have to use now). That's not too bad though. I must admit though, I miss paying close to $1 a gallon (something like 1.05 here) for gas. :(
  • speedyptspeedypt Posts: 200
    I had the Eagle GTII tires on my '92 LX for a while, great when new...positively SUCKMO (technical term) after 15k miles on them. Decent grip, low noise but the rain handling was awful.

    If I was looking for a more overall tire I'd have to say the Pirelli P6000 (I was very happy with my P600's and the P6000 is supposed to be a huge step up), or possibly the Yokohama Avid T4. My boss just put the Avid's on his Integra and just raves about them. I don't have a lot of info on them other than that but they did score pretty highly on Tirerack's feedback rating.

    I personally can't wait to get the S-03's on my car...205/55WR15 size ends up being less than 2% different in revolutions per mile, and if I go with the RE730's they are less than 1% different.

    To Zoom or not to Zoom....that is the question.

    Regards and hope this helped.

  • Hey all, I have been reading some of your posts and it seems like you all enjoy your rides. That is good to hear. I am currently checking out the '02 Protege LX. Is it worth the extra bills to get the ES model? I drove the LX last night. I like the car but, the suspension seemed a little firm, not absorbing some of the bumps. Well, it does not help that the road here in Detroit are crap! Does the ES have a better ride? The dealer tells me no and that they all have the same suspension. How do you all like the ride?
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    suspension is a bit more firm than the LX, but if you are ok with that, it's much more rewarding.
  • duh_sterduh_ster Posts: 102
    i dunno about the states, but here, i believe the suspension is the same in both. i opted for an ES w/ GT pckg. it looks so good! fog lights, spoiler, sunroof, 4 disc, 16" alloys and a whole buncha other stuff! no side air bags in canadian pros though (guess they think canadians drive better than americans?! haha) i'd pick the ES, but, it's your choice...
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    Fish, I'd go over to the US Mazda site ( and compare the 2 there. In terms of suspension, the ES owners here will tell you there there is a difference, but I've never read of there being one.

    What you do get for sure is 4 wheel disc-brakes and a standard spoiler. Not too sure what else in the States. We can't even get side-air bags here in Canada. :(

  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    You beat me to it by a minute! LOL at the airbag comment!!
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    The 5 lug setup on the '01 and later ES is a more robust suspension and is very much prefered to the 4 lug system. Any racers that ran 99 & 00 Proteges all upgraded to the 5 lug system that was std on the Familia Sport 20.

    Trust is different!
  • duh_sterduh_ster Posts: 102
    ..1 for duh, 0 for pf! hahaha
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Pete ... The Yokohama AVID T4s are the tires I want! But there's no local dealer; Sears can order them for $93 a tire. Tire Rack has 'em for $61, but then I don't get the free rotation, mounting & balancing, valve stems etc. That's my dilemma!

    Gas Prices ... You guys are gonna think I'm lying, but the price war here in Richmond continues. Yesterday, on the way home from work, I filled up with Amoco regular (87 octane) for 95.9 cents per gallon. The Exxon across the street had regular for 97.9. The cheap gas stations have regular for as low as 89.9 right now, but I don't put junk in my Protege!

  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I heard that gas stations in one region use fuel from the same suppliers, so it doesn't matter the brand name. A friend told me that, but I think he's full of crap. I noticed for a fact that my last four cars (Bonneville, the 2 Proteges, and my current Jetta 1.8T) run differently on different kinds of gas. Some brands last longer, others go right out the tailpipe it seems. Usually, I fuel with Hess gas (a cheaper brand here in Maryland), and it lasts pretty well. Also, so does Chevron (in the Pro and Jetta). Amoco went through both, and Crown made the Protege suck down a 1/2 tank in 100 miles (cheap!).
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Except for a reference from Paul, I notice ALL OF YOU steered WAY AROUND that reference to Paul in my first post today. Guess I crossed a line there. No one thought it was funny? It was supposed to be.

    Sorry if I offended anyone.

  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    For some reason my Protege loves CITGO gas. I used to regard CITGO as a cheap gas, but then I learned that CITGO is one of the top sellers of aviation fuel to the commercial airlines. Turns out their street product ain't bad either.

    I don't know what it is about Amoco. My car tends to get less gas mileage with it. (I had to stop there yesterday because my light had been on for 30 some miles and my needle was BELOW "E.") Here are my top 4 picks, in order of preference:

    (1) CITGO
    (2) CHEVRON
    (3) EXXON
    (4) TEXACO

    Uh-oh. Have we started a new discussion? I won't be able to respond much, because I have a lot of work to finish today and we're off Monday (Veterans Day). Can you guys keep the topic running until I get back Tuesday?


  • sfratsfrat Posts: 205
    My dad says that the difference between cheap gas and expensive gas has something to do with the quality of the refining process, and the level of detergent in the gas. Don't know if this is true or not, but he used to work for Standard Oil/BP, so I sort of trust him on that one. I usually by Shell or Mobil/Exxon gas. The "el cheapo" places are usually only save me a penny or two, so for me its not worth it.

    Meade-I'm jealous of your gas prices; I paid 1.42 the other day....for REGULAR. Granted, it was in an expensive area, but the prices in gas here in MD varies by as much as 12 to 14 cents between areas.
  • After looking around at web sites and in brochures, I'm not sure there is any suspension setting differences between es and lx. However, the es comes with bigger wheels (16" vs. 15") and lower profile tires. All other things being equal, this should give the es a firmer ride with better turn-in and better grip. After having driven both back to back, I'd say that this is in fact the case. I happen to like a firmer ride. I also appreciate the 4 wheel discs, so I'd personally go with the es. I'd suggest testing out both, back to back, to see which you prefer.

    By the way, I don't think you'd save all that much money in purchasing an lx and replacing the stock wheels and tires to match the 16's on the es. Plus you wouldn't have the 4 wheel discs and other cosmetic changes.
  • duh_sterduh_ster Posts: 102
    here, gas is $0.569 Cdn / L. That's cheap for around here...for fun, i converted the L to Gal and the Cdn to US. i guess we're paying $1.35 US / Gal! sheesh...guess it's not that cheap after all, if some of u are paying less than $1 US / gal!!
  • Thanks guys for the input.

    vocus: All I know is that when I lived out in San Diego a few years ago, I use to drive by this one paticular gas supplier and I would see 4 different gas companies filling up their tankers from the one supplier. One of the news stations out there did a report and it was true. The companies would add their own additives to the fuel to set it apart from the others. Maybe it is just in California. I do not know if they do that in other parts of the country.
  • yooper53yooper53 Posts: 286
    One difference is that the ES has heavier front and rear stabilizer bars. Read that in a review somewhere on Edmund's. If you thought the LX was too harsh a ride you probably won't like the ES. I've never driven the other two trim levels BUT have read numerous posts here (the last 7 or 8 months)alluding to the fact that ES has a stiffer ride. I wouldn't have it any other way. Love my ES. 4 wheel disc brake vs. front discs and rear drums. For my preferences it was a no brainer.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    It sucks that we pay so much for gas here in Calgary. Alberta is one of the top gas producing provinces in Canada. Yet we still pay so much! Dang gas taxes.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    Another comment on this is that some people prefer the styling on the LX. For instance, the white gauges on the ES did not appeal at all to me. I do like the spoiler however. Not a big deal though.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I know those prices vary here in Maryland for gas. Around Lanham where I work, the price for premium is $1.50+ a gallon. I stopped in Glen Burnie on the way home (a little north of here), and paid $1.27 for premium (it was Citgo). I also notice the further north you go (towards Baltimore), the cheaper the gas gets. In Baltimore itself, regular is going for like $1.35 a gallon or so. I couldn't tell you what premium goes for, because I don't get it there.

    Texaco ran crappy in my Protege ES the one time I used it (I was almost out). I never used it again to find out if it changed or not. Usually, if the gas runs out quickly, I don't get it again. That's a sign of cheap gas. Also, if you start the car and see water tricking outta the tailpipe, change gas IMMEDIATELY. That means the gas in the car has water in it (my mother's mechanic told me that years ago, and I never forgot it).
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    You have to realize not that many people in this chat room (only Larry, you, and me have known each other THAT long) understand we have known each other for like 2 years almost. And also, the Host might find that post offensive in the beginning. Be careful. :)
  • Hey folks--

    Geez, I guess I shouldn't bury my questions at the end of a long email. I'm looking for good Mazda dealers in the Washington DC Metro area that offer the S-plan AND will take care of me and my Pro once I get the dang thing. Any help?

  • sfratsfrat Posts: 205
    I'll try to answer. I bought my car at Russell Mazda, which is Catonsville up near Baltimore. Good experience, and only an hour or so from the DC area. Heritiage Mazda in Timonium (north of Baltimore seemed ok as well when I looked). I think there is one in College Park (College Park Mazda)which is near the DC area. which I didn't go to, stay away from Darcars in Silver Spring, pushy salespeople. Rosenthal in Va I had a bad experience as well. I just got my car serviced at Rockville Mazda/VW/Olds, and had a good service experience, not sure what buying a car is like there.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    I just checked out how much my '01 LX 2.0 is worth today with the Canadian Black Book:

    Low: $12,944.00 High: $14,044.00

    That's with 10k km and no moonroof and no automatic.
    Quite a hit if you ask me.

    For an '01 Honda Civic (4 door) LX 5sp w/ 10k km:
    Low: $15,244.00 High: $16,344.00

    That includes air, but no group option package.
    I'd like to do a comparison of what they both cost initally, but I'm too lazy right now.

  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Civics are known to hold their value very well, Proteges are not. I found out firsthand. I got $11,500 for my 2001 with 19,400 or so miles on it. The MSRP of the car new (8 months prior) was $18,545. It was loaded with everything except CD changer and alarm system. Quite a hit if you ask me.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I am sorry, I mean to answer your question back before I got yelled at. :) Sorry.

    I bought my first 1999 Protege DX at Russel Mazda, and it was ok. I had a very nice dealer experience at Schafer & Strominger Mazda in Towson, Md. (about an hour from DC as well). It's pretty good there, and they also took the S Plan. Service wasn't too bad either. Check them out. Whatever you do, DO NOT go to Darcars Mazda in College Park. I had a huge argument with someone there about my 2001 Protege when I took it in for service. They suck major rear.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    Was my point exactly Vocus.
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265

    Well those who know me even a little, know I'm a detail "freak". I'm always striving to keep my pair of 2000 PRO-ES's looking show room new. If you have similar aspirations for your Mazda's, here is a great place to compare paint protectants! These guys are "average joe's" trying to compare waxes and polymer products in a fair and unbiased way. Before you spend 10 bucks at AutoZone or K-Mart for wax check this site out. BTW, those of us whom live in the colder climates, NOW is the time to give your Protege's a good wax job before the snow starts flying!


    P.S. I personally use KLASSE it is very verrrry easy to use and lasts much longer than carnauba wax. You must order KLASSE over the internet, however my next choice, which is available at Pep Boys and sometimes K-Mart is Prestone Bullet Wax. Bullet Wax is also a polymer product. Very long lasting.

  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    I've been through Detroit. The roads there do s***. I suspect it's all a plot by the "Big Three" to increase turn-over of the vehicles in the area. I'd personally go with the softer suspension and the higher-profile tires. One will help prevent damage to your back side. The other will help protect your rims from those killer potholes (or pits)!

    Theoretically, you could get and ES and -1 your tires to get a softer ride, but that'd be a waste.

    I live in Cincinnati, where only some of the roads are that bad. Between the two, I'd go for an ES but for that spoiler stuck on the rear!

    What I'd really go for now though is a bright yellow P5. The decision will be more muddled next year when the RX-8 and 6 come out, unless they make a turbo an option in the P5. :) Sigh, too many options, too little money (and parking space, plus my wife would be very, very upset with me).
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