Last Thursday, I talked to the salesman who had offered me $25,000 for a 6 spd GTO two days earlier. He said, he could cut the price another $500. He insisted that I make an offer. With the $6,000 topped earnings of my GM card, I could have bought the car for around $18,000. Definitely, the looks of the car has driven the price down, way way down..
I think Edmunds is way off to price a used GTO for over $23k. Despite the almost giveaway price, 2080 GTOs remains unsold. Try to trade in your GTO. You are lucky if you get $14k or 15k, maybe less.
If GM builds 12,000 2005 GTOs, what I foresee, the 2005 GTO is an instant replay of the 2004 GTO, as far as sale of the car is concern. Why? The GTO fanatics had already bought the car. Nothing has changed, except for the hood, dual exhaust and increase of hp and torque. Why would the sale of the 2005 any different. Potential buyers are bargain hunters.
I read that Bob Lutz created the GTO as Pontiac Halo car. If most Pontiac vehicles follow the lead of the GTO, PONTIAC will be entombed next to OLDSMOBILE
The 04 GTO would have sold much better had GM launched the car in Aug '03 or early spring '04(as an '05) at $29,995 AND if the dealers hadn't added their stupid market adjustments.
I feel that some greedy dealers are mostly responsible for hurting this cars launch and many will be stuck with alot of 04's if they don't deal NOW!!
This is a high quality performance car that everyone who has actually purchased one, even at MSRP or 1/2 price, or driven one instantly gains respect for it. BUY one today while there's still great deals happening. You'll be pleasantly surprised!!
With a 2/04 build date, I'd recommend visiting your dealer and having them look up all of the TSB (Technical Service Bulletins) which may be applicable to your car. There's one, known by "thunk in the trunk", which afflicts cars built before April, which, upon hard acceleration or transiting large bumps, the driveline impacts the chassis in the rear. The fix is changing some suspension bolts...
There's also a TSB on dimming the "MPH" light on the dash. Also check the aluminum-looking plastic spokes on your steering wheel - if any are "wrinkled", that's a TSB, too. There's also one for the door lock mechanisms getting stuck.
Be sure that your tire pressure is set properly (50-60 psi from the factory, should be 32-35 psi depending on passenger weight). The inverse situation is true of the spare (30-40 psi from the factory when it should be 50-60 psi).
There's a subwoofer amp behind the material on the driver's side of the trunk - if you reach your hand between the chassis and the amp, you'll feel a small wheel that you can turn to crank the amp up a little bit. That, plus turning off the equalizer and distortion limiter, provides better sound from the Blaupunkt.
Also, be aware that most drivers aren't happy with the low-beam cutoff (high-beams are awesome, best of any car I've ever driven). If you pop the hood, you'll see screw-head adjustment points - most folks feel that turning them up 2 1/2 rotations strikes a nice balance between being able to see better and being able to blind oncoming drivers :-)
Don't forget to read the owner's manual to go over the personalization options for the displays, lights, door locking, et. al.
Regarding the Sport Appearance Package, you're partially correct. GM is offering the '05 hood plus the autocross grilles and autocross spoiler to dealers for $1100 (but they can mark up the price). Anyone buying a new GTO from Jan 04-30 gets $700 off the price of buying this package. I believe it only comes in three colors (maybe black, red, and silver?), so if you have a different color you'll have to arrange to have it painted.
Thanks for the update. That is a very complete list. It is good information for new owners.
I have not pushed it hard enough yet to hear the rear clunk. The mph is bright. The steering wheel looks ok for now. I have already taken care of the stereo issue except for the distortion limiter. Does the distortion limiter fix help a lot? I did have 45psi in the tires so I lowered it to 35. Helped a lot with road noise. I do want to improve the low beam lights so I will try your suggestion.
I do kind of have a shake at idle. Maybe just the torque of the engine.
After a few more miles I will take it by the dealer to check the tsbs.
As far as the appearance package, I think I will leave mine as is. I kind of like the subdued look.
If you can think of anything else, I would appreciate the info.
Is it too late to get the GM card round up? I have a Subaru card, but if you can get an 05 GTO later in the year for anything close to these prices I'll have to buy one. I mean, a GTO near $20,000? That's an insane bargain. Also, anyone know for certain if you can get an 05 without the hood scoops?
The shake at idle is the cam lope - it's a normal part of having a 5.7L 350 hp engine just cooling its heels :-)
Also, look under the tire openings at the shocks/struts - if you see any red clips in there, those are the shipping protectors. Many, many dealers forget to remove these when doing the PDI. I suspect this is what caused some of my car's suspension issues (along with 60 psi tires, et. al.).
I would disable the distortion limiter on the stereo as well. Be aware that playing loud bass may cause the stereo to cut out - this is the way the system is designed and unfortunately there is no workaround yet (other than changing out the head unit).
Re: the door lock TSB. Try this with both the passenger and driver's side doors. With the door open, hit the lock fob. Your car may do the "rapid honk" alarm problem noise. Now try unlocking... is the button stuck? If so, you need the "door lock" TSB...
Current incentives include $5000 dealer cash (which dealers can use to lower the price of the car, or keep as profit - they don't HAVE to give it to you), plus $1500 GM Owner loyalty. No low lease rates, no low finance rates, no value certificates.
Yes, you can most certainly get an '05 w/o hood scoops, but you may have to order one (or swap your hood with an '04 owner wishing to upgrade), since most dealers are not ordering the scoop delete option (i.e. virtually all of the '05s headed to dealers right now have scoops)...
Folks, if someone seems like they're trying to start a flame war or get under your skin, you're probably right - please simply ignore these posts. Skipping posts of this nature is the best way to discourage further such posts.
Also, if you just don't like the GTO, then a topic titled "Pontiac GTO" is probably the wrong place to hang out.
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I'm curious how you folks got word of the 5-6k roundup. I feel a bit slighted. The promo's I've recieved in the mail were not nearly as generous. Was this offer advertised only on the GM card website? It's probably a good thing I did not find out until it was too late or else I would have been very tempted to go GTO shopping. Also, anybody know of any plans to offer a convertible GTO in the future?
Not all GM Card owners got the roundup offer. Only way you could tell would be if you got a postcard, or if you went to the GMCard.com web site and logged in to check your earnings.
Re: convertible GTO, Holden did build a one-off convertibe Monaro, nicknamed "Marilyn" (get it, Marilyn Monaro? :-), but there won't be one on this platform. Maybe on Zeta, but that won't materialize until 2007 (not sure if model year or physical year). I know Buick's getting one from the same platform, so there's hope...
"Also, if you just don't like the GTO, then a topic titled "Pontiac GTO" is probably the wrong place to hang out. "
I don't see why someone who is critical of the GTO should stifle themselves. Their opinions are as legitiment as the GTO fans. They should be able to state their opinions, too.
Actually I tried to find on the Website and couldn't find anywhere (only in the postcard from them). My current bonuses were topped off, then they added a 3K bonus for the 3 qualifying vehicles that they were trying to move...
Inflammatory posts starts fights, and just like in bars, it empties the room. Concise, one-time factual criticism is fine, but constant and repetitive "brand-bashing" will not be tolerated in the forums. It serves none of our purposes here, which at Edmunds is to share information and good fellowship.
I am very sorry if my post cause harm to others. That’s why I titled that post “I, could be wrong.” Just my opinion. That’s how I see the car. I could be right. I could be wrong. If you see the car otherwise, no problem with me.
I wish, I could answer the post 2123 by midwesttrader. But, if I will be gag or stifle, I would rather stay away. Good luck to all of you and your GTOs.
Is there any reason why the new 2005 Pontiac GTO hasn't been reviewed by Edmunds yet? I saw a new TV ad for it during the USC-Oklahoma game on Tuesday and it looked pretty potent. The ad showed the new hood ram-air intakes and split dual exhaust. It also said the new GTO now has a 6.0 liter engine making 400 HP and 400 ft-lbs of torque (same as the Corvette's LS2).
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I'm not privy to editorial's upcoming articles, so I don't know what they are planning. Best thing to do would be to use the "help" button down at the bottom of this page and ask 'em if they are planning an '05 review. They will definitely get back to you.
Interesting comparo between the 05 GTO and the Mustang GT in Car & Driver site. It's amazing that the GTO basically outclassed / outperformed the stang in every category but "came in second" overall. If the discounts get anywhere close to what they were for the 04 than you will be able to have the GTO for less than the Ford. NO offense BTW to the Mustang folks, I love that car too. Lastly, It sounds like GM was listening carefully to this board when they tweaked the GTO for 05. Now ....if they would just offer a ragtop version!
For the there to be a convertible (i assume that's what you mean by ragtop) the car would lose either more space from the already puny trunk (that's the fuel tank in the fwd section behind the carpeting in the truck) or the backseats, or both....
Your right of course. Right now there are very few sports car convertibles on the market, ask for four seats and the number gets much smaller. In fact I can't think of any that come close to the GTO's performance within 15 grand of its price. But, the the new Mustang will be offered as a convertible this spring and it was engineered from the git go to be a convertible so GM better take notice. I'm sure a convertible GTO would require some trade offs (rear legroom, trunk space, etc.) but most of the time I'm alone when I drive. I would however like to be able to load the wife and kids, drop the top and go for ice cream once and while.
There will likely be a convertible GTO when the next-gen Zeta platform GTO debuts for the 2007 model year. You're not going to see one on this chassis (can't handle the flexing - Holden did a show car, called it Marilyn, as in Marilyn Monaro, get it - Google for pictures of it - very nice).
Hi all. Its been awhile since my last post, but I've been trying to keep up.
With the Solstice and G6 convertibles coming, I doubt that Pontiac dealers would be able to manage 3 ragtops at the same time. Even Chrysler only sells 2 convertibles (PT Cruiser, Sebring) presently, with no plans for a 300C droptop.
However, I must admit, a GTO convertible on the 2007 Zeta platform would really be cool. If Pontiac offers it for under $40K with an LS2, potential Corvette buyers will have a great reason to think twice.
Latest issue of MotorTrend gives a favorable review for the GTO and gives praise to the pedal placement for heel/toe shifting whereas C&D complained that "it's nearly impossible to brake and blip the throttle". go figure.
The 300 SRT8 looks sweet. Glad to see the return of the American Muscle cars.
I haven't seen anything to indicate that there will be a convertible version of the current GTO but I'd be surprised if the new version (US-built?) debuting in '07(?) doesn't include a ragtop (hoo ray).
Hopefully the new version will be the better for having been built from the get-go w a convertible in mind.
I was waiting to get some kind of maintenace required message from the computer before I take it to first oil change. Do you know when I should expect that?
Otherwise, what is recommended services for this car?
Has anybody tried to buy an 04 since Jan 4? Are there any good deals? I got a quote for 25K for the 6SP. But it is hard to pay that when you know people got em for $18.
I've been getting quotes since then. You should be able to buy for less than that but likely will be unable to drive the price below $24,000.
It is clear that the only extra money now available is $5000 (manufacturer to dealer) plus $1500 loyalty money if you currently own a GM vehicle. Subtracting $6500 from invoice will still keep you over $24,000.
Given that some bought in December and early January for less than $18,000 with GM card "money," I agree that it is very difficult to pay $6000 more now. Pontiac still has about 2000 units in inventory and will probably need to do something else to move them out.
... GM gave the $5000 payout to dealers. I think that's traditionally the "it's your problem now" payout. GM has NO incentives on any 2004 cars as far as I can tell. And they don't seem inclined to do anything about it.
Some folks may come in and get all hot and bothered about the '05 GTO, but can't afford it or can't swing the payments. At that point in time, the dealer can offer them the '04 for less. Some dealers may also make the 04's "demos" then take another $1k-$2k off the pricing. They will move - I think there's more than 2000 Pontiac dealers, so this is probably less than one per dealership. It wasn't uncommon to find 2002 Camaros and Firebirds still on the dealer lots in 2004...
"It wasn't uncommon to find 2002 Camaros and Firebirds still on the dealer lots in 2004... "
- And that's why those two vehicles are no longer around. Let's hope GM history does not repeat itself!
On a brighter note; the '05s are available for sale on the west coast right now. Someone on another board claims to have purchased one for $500 over invoice in CA.
...that the GTO will be history anytime soon. Everyone at GM knows the current version was a stopgap. The upcoming "Zeta" RWD chassis is too important to GM's large car future to be cancelled now, and most of the underlying platform engineering has been done. Plants have been allocated, et. al. I'm fairly confident we'll see a GTO assembled in the US and based on a US sheetmetal design (with Aussie-engineered chassis) for 2007/2008. Future after that model is hazy...
I think 500 miles was the figure in the manual for first oil change. I had already hit 900 the first weekend I owned it and ended up waiting till what the dealer/salesman had said 1500 miles. I wouldn't wait much beyond that. Once you get around 4000-6000 miles, you'll notice how much more powerful the engine is.
One other maintenance tip...check the rear side of the differential for fluid leaks on the bolts. The fluid is clear/slightly yellowish. If you have a leak, get to the dealership now!
I bought my red "beauty" on the 31st of December. I made a very good deal, not as good as a few guys here, before the trade-in the price was $19.6k. Basically 10% on the sticker, 5500 rebate and 5000 GM card points. Enough about pricing
The real issue is that I am not that happy with the brakes, very soft, spongy, etc etc. It seems they need to be bled. Wife's RendezVous CXL has better brakes!!! Am I alone with this perception about the brakes????
Other issue is the annoying electronics, twice I was stopped and showing 200 mph and moving showing 0 mph. Lately I am letting the engine doing the checking before I crank the starter. It works. Like I do on my dearest Aprilia CapoNord, aka red Cappy.
The trunk stinks!! I knew it but I love everything else in the car.
Thanks for reply. I thought computer supposed to prompt me on service(according to manual). I haven't done first oil change waiting for computer message. My mercedes normally prompt me for service for every 13K or so (mostly freeway driving), so I thought I have some more miles to go on my GTO. I have about 9000 miles already. I am getting concerned.
Some folks are unhappy with the factory-fill brake fluid. There's a theory about factory grease contaminating the fluid. Strongly suggest flushing the brake fluid and refilling with a synthetic DOT4 fluid. I think Valvoline makes one.
Re: the electronics, yes, wait for the system check to complete before putting into gear. Rumor has it there will be a fix (TSB) for this issue...
I bought my 04 GTO on Dec28, I have also noticed when quickly coming off the gas onto the brake, an initial spongy squishy airy feeling, otherwise they feel fine. I have about 1100 miles and still am getting ave MPG 16-17, in mixed town and freeway driving. Any other figures out there? Have noticed a few thumps and such during initial take off in the morning also.
Regarding your thumping during initial use in the morning, be aware that the BFG tires "flat-spot" overnight. So, they are a bit out-of-round until you get going, resulting in a little thumping and bumping...
Re: your MPG question, is your car a stick or an auto? What octane/level of gas are you running?
I bled my brakes last Sunday; sucked out the cloudy, icky looking fluid from the master cylinder and replaced with fresh Valvoline; bled all until running with new clear fluid. It helped but still not what I would call great pedal feel. So far (2,100 miles) I'm getting 20 mpg in my A4 (display is showing 20.8 so far on this tank). I do mostly rural highway and interstate driving; not alot of city/urban. I have been pleasantly surprised by the gas mileage, so far. My biggest single complaint (dealer can't/won't fix) is the idle (in D) creates a vibration/resonance throughout the car; compare it to a 20-year-old school bus idle. It needs about another 50 rpm and it smooths out. Unfortunately, idle adjustment has to be done digitally (!!), and the dealer won't even talk about it. I may have to pick up a copy of EFI Live or something to get things right. Of course, then I can also get rid of the "torque management" that cuts power during shifts. I really miss the old "chirp" hitting second.....
White6, your mileage experience matches up with mine - was getting around 20-21 average with my A4, as long as I kept my foot out of it. Believe it or not, if you get your car custom-tuned (i.e. remove torque management), mileage will actually increase.
If you don't have a laptop to run HPTuners or EFILive, I might suggest you look at a Predator from http://www.diablosport.com - it's a combination programmer/tuner, code-reader and monitor. The stock Predator performance tune has some issues, but there are vendors that will "remotely tune" your vehicle/create custom tunes. I have one, played briefly with the stock tune (like maybe a day or so) and definitely got the 1-2 chirp, but my first GTO spent more time in the shop than in my possession, so I reloaded the factory tune/never had the custom tune done. I FINALLY got my replacement car Thursday:
so, after I take it out of storage sometime in April, I'll put a K&N intake on it and then get it tuned.
Re: the brakes, I understand that C5 (Corvette) pads fit on the front; may be a bit of an upgrade. Other brake upgrades from PBR and Baer are > $1k; isn't your car a lease? Probably not worth it. I expereinced no issues with braking on my first car, but I understand if you use the brakes a lot (i.e. at the track), the fade becomes pretty bad. One of the things they fixed for '05...
Is your vibration/resonance just the cam lope, or something else? Suggest you maybe try another dealer - I'm assuming they need to use a Tech II to adjust the idle, unless, as you said, you do it yourself...
Knocking Noise from Rear of Vehicle on Aggressive Launch or Acceleration (Install Rear Suspension Crossmember Front Mount Insulators) #04-03-09-003A - (Apr 20, 2004)
Knocking Noise from Rear of Vehicle on Aggressive Launch or Acceleration (Install Rear Suspension Crossmember Front Mount Insulators)
2004 Pontiac GTO
Built Prior to VIN Breakpoint 4L246712
This bulletin is being revised to change a torque specification within the correction procedure. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 04-03-09-003 (Section 03 -- Suspension).
Condition
Some customers may comment on a knocking noise coming from the rear of the vehicle. This noise occurs during an aggressive launch or acceleration and will be more common on vehicles with a manual transmission.
Cause
The cause of this condition may be contact between the body and the rear suspension crossmember.
Correction
Install insulators, P/N 90447991, and new bolts, P/N 92038482, between the body and the rear suspension crossmember using the procedure listed below.
Important
Only remove the bolts from one side of the suspension crossmember at a time, and DO NOT loosen the opposite side, until the insulator is installed on the first side and all fasteners have been tightened to the specified torque setting.
Raise and support the vehicle. Refer to Lifting and Jacking the Vehicle in the General Information sub-section of the Service Manual. Position rear hoist.
Support the rear suspension crossmember just under the brace using an adjustable jack stand.
Remove the 3 brace to underbody bolts.
Remove the front mount bolt attaching the rear suspension crossmember to the underbody.
Lower the jack stand slightly to allow clearance between the crossmember and the underbody.
Important
When installing the insulator onto the crossmember front mount bushing, face the corrugated side upwards, so it bears against the underbody.
Install the insulator between the underbody and the upper part of the crossmember, ensuring to seat the insulator firmly onto the center of the crossmember front mount bushing.
Raise the crossmember using the jack stand until it is pressing firmly against the underbody.
With the jack stand still in position to support the crossmember, install the new front mount bolt and the 3 brace to underbody bolts. Tighten
Tighten the crossmember front mount bolt to 125N·m(92 lb ft). Use J 45059 Torque Angle Meter in order to tighten the bolt an additional 40 degrees.
Tighten
Tighten the brace bolts to 65N·m(48 lb ft).
Remove the jack stand.
Repeat steps 2 to 9 for the opposite side.
Parts Information
Part Number
Description
Qty
90447991
Insulator, Rear Suspension Crossmember Front Mount (2 Per Package)
1
92038482
Bolt, Rear Suspension Crossmember Front Mount
2
Parts are currently available from GMSPO.
Warranty Information
For vehicles repaired under warranty, use:
Labor Operation
E9407*
Rear Suspension Crossmember Front Mount Insulators -- Install
0.5 hr
*This is a unique labor operation number for use only with this bulletin. This number will not be published in the Labor Time Guide.
Thanks. I have thought about the "remote tune" as well. The idle problem is definitely not the cam lope. This is a constant "thruming" or, really, just a low-frequency vibration or hum. If I increase the idle speed (with my foot) ever so slightly, it goes away completely. I compare it to a constant low base note (ever been to a rock concert?). As soon as it warms up a little I plan on crawling underneath to check out the exhaust system and make sure there isn't something amiss there.
I read about the vette pads; not really concerned with stopping power as much as brake "feel" or modulation. Lots of people (as well as the mags) have complained about "spongy" brakes; this is what I'm talking about. Mine isn't a lease, exactly, it's a "SmartBuy," so I will be giving it back in Sept. 2006. I'm hoping that the 2006 models (last of the Monaro-version) will add a few features missing from the 2004-05 models (HVAC controls from the Monaro, spoiler delete, etc.). If so, I may re-up with a 06 model. 07's should be just about out by Sept. 06 so maybe I can get a good deal on an 06. If not, I may try to negotiate a better buy-out price on mine. Residual (or balloon note in my case) will be about $21,000; no way this car will be worth anywhere near that in two years. I'm guessing wholesale value by then will be below $16,000.
Not that I want to frequently smoke the tires, but once in a while would be nice. I have been a stick driver forever but got the 4A GTO as a concession for my wife. What is it with this trans? When stopped and laying on the break, if you hit the gas it seems it will not pick up much rpm. what am I missing?
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I think Edmunds is way off to price a used GTO for over $23k. Despite the almost giveaway price, 2080 GTOs remains unsold. Try to trade in your GTO. You are lucky if you get $14k or 15k, maybe less.
If GM builds 12,000 2005 GTOs, what I foresee, the 2005 GTO is an instant replay of the 2004 GTO, as far as sale of the car is concern. Why? The GTO fanatics had already bought the car. Nothing has changed, except for the hood, dual exhaust and increase of hp and torque. Why would the sale of the 2005 any different. Potential buyers are bargain hunters.
I read that Bob Lutz created the GTO as Pontiac Halo car. If most Pontiac vehicles follow the lead of the GTO, PONTIAC will be entombed next to OLDSMOBILE
I feel that some greedy dealers are mostly responsible for hurting this cars launch and many will be stuck with alot of 04's if they don't deal NOW!!
This is a high quality performance car that everyone who has actually purchased one, even at MSRP or 1/2 price, or driven one instantly gains respect for it. BUY one today while there's still great deals happening. You'll be pleasantly surprised!!
- Well no, the fact that it's the end of the model year and they want to clear inventory has done that.
"Try to trade in your GTO. You are lucky if you get $14k or 15k, maybe less."
- Unless you personally have tried to trade one in, the fact is you don't know what the actual trade-in value might be.
"The GTO fanatics had already bought the car."
- As a matter of fact many hard core fans have waited for the LS2 and hood scoops, leaving plenty of potential buyers.
"Why would the sale of the 2005 any different."
- The fact that the new GTO offers more power and features for basically the same price just might be a difference.
"Potential buyers are bargain hunters."
- I suppose if you ever buy that Vette you've been talking about that you will seek the worst deal you can so you can pay the the highest price.
"If most Pontiac vehicles follow the lead of the GTO, PONTIAC will be entombed next to OLDSMOBILE"
- The facts are that the GTO just had its best sales month and the Grand Prix and G6 are selling quite well thanks.
There's also a TSB on dimming the "MPH" light on the dash. Also check the aluminum-looking plastic spokes on your steering wheel - if any are "wrinkled", that's a TSB, too. There's also one for the door lock mechanisms getting stuck.
Be sure that your tire pressure is set properly (50-60 psi from the factory, should be 32-35 psi depending on passenger weight). The inverse situation is true of the spare (30-40 psi from the factory when it should be 50-60 psi).
There's a subwoofer amp behind the material on the driver's side of the trunk - if you reach your hand between the chassis and the amp, you'll feel a small wheel that you can turn to crank the amp up a little bit. That, plus turning off the equalizer and distortion limiter, provides better sound from the Blaupunkt.
Also, be aware that most drivers aren't happy with the low-beam cutoff (high-beams are awesome, best of any car I've ever driven). If you pop the hood, you'll see screw-head adjustment points - most folks feel that turning them up 2 1/2 rotations strikes a nice balance between being able to see better and being able to blind oncoming drivers :-)
Don't forget to read the owner's manual to go over the personalization options for the displays, lights, door locking, et. al.
Regarding the Sport Appearance Package, you're partially correct. GM is offering the '05 hood plus the autocross grilles and autocross spoiler to dealers for $1100 (but they can mark up the price). Anyone buying a new GTO from Jan 04-30 gets $700 off the price of buying this package. I believe it only comes in three colors (maybe black, red, and silver?), so if you have a different color you'll have to arrange to have it painted.
Hope this helps,
--Robert
I have not pushed it hard enough yet to hear the rear clunk. The mph is bright. The steering wheel looks ok for now. I have already taken care of the stereo issue except for the distortion limiter. Does the distortion limiter fix help a lot? I did have 45psi in the tires so I lowered it to 35. Helped a lot with road noise. I do want to improve the low beam lights so I will try your suggestion.
I do kind of have a shake at idle. Maybe just the torque of the engine.
After a few more miles I will take it by the dealer to check the tsbs.
As far as the appearance package, I think I will leave mine as is. I kind of like the subdued look.
If you can think of anything else, I would appreciate the info.
Thanks,
Larry
Also, look under the tire openings at the shocks/struts - if you see any red clips in there, those are the shipping protectors. Many, many dealers forget to remove these when doing the PDI. I suspect this is what caused some of my car's suspension issues (along with 60 psi tires, et. al.).
I would disable the distortion limiter on the stereo as well. Be aware that playing loud bass may cause the stereo to cut out - this is the way the system is designed and unfortunately there is no workaround yet (other than changing out the head unit).
Re: the door lock TSB. Try this with both the passenger and driver's side doors. With the door open, hit the lock fob. Your car may do the "rapid honk" alarm problem noise. Now try unlocking... is the button stuck? If so, you need the "door lock" TSB...
Hope this helps,
--Robert
Current incentives include $5000 dealer cash (which dealers can use to lower the price of the car, or keep as profit - they don't HAVE to give it to you), plus $1500 GM Owner loyalty. No low lease rates, no low finance rates, no value certificates.
Yes, you can most certainly get an '05 w/o hood scoops, but you may have to order one (or swap your hood with an '04 owner wishing to upgrade), since most dealers are not ordering the scoop delete option (i.e. virtually all of the '05s headed to dealers right now have scoops)...
--Robert
Also, if you just don't like the GTO, then a topic titled "Pontiac GTO" is probably the wrong place to hang out.
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I must have missed something.......
Re: convertible GTO, Holden did build a one-off convertibe Monaro, nicknamed "Marilyn" (get it, Marilyn Monaro? :-), but there won't be one on this platform. Maybe on Zeta, but that won't materialize until 2007 (not sure if model year or physical year). I know Buick's getting one from the same platform, so there's hope...
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I don't see why someone who is critical of the GTO should stifle themselves. Their opinions are as legitiment as the GTO fans. They should be able to state their opinions, too.
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I wish, I could answer the post 2123 by midwesttrader. But, if I will be gag or stifle, I would rather stay away. Good luck to all of you and your GTOs.
Is there any reason why the new 2005 Pontiac GTO hasn't been reviewed by Edmunds yet? I saw a new TV ad for it during the USC-Oklahoma game on Tuesday and it looked pretty potent. The ad showed the new hood ram-air intakes and split dual exhaust. It also said the new GTO now has a 6.0 liter engine making 400 HP and 400 ft-lbs of torque (same as the Corvette's LS2).
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I'm not privy to editorial's upcoming articles, so I don't know what they are planning. Best thing to do would be to use the "help" button down at the bottom of this page and ask 'em if they are planning an '05 review. They will definitely get back to you.
shifty
took delivery of a '05 yellow jacket last night.
It goes with his wife's '04 yellow jacket.
He said he got 3K off MSRP with the GM loyalty bonus that is in effect.
Not too shabby.
but wait, isn't that a vette?
--Robert
With the Solstice and G6 convertibles coming, I doubt that Pontiac dealers would be able to manage 3 ragtops at the same time. Even Chrysler only sells 2 convertibles (PT Cruiser, Sebring) presently, with no plans for a 300C droptop.
However, I must admit, a GTO convertible on the 2007 Zeta platform would really be cool. If Pontiac offers it for under $40K with an LS2, potential Corvette buyers will have a great reason to think twice.
The 300 SRT8 looks sweet. Glad to see the return of the American Muscle cars.
see if this works...
http://www.automotivebuy.com/pontiac_gto.html
Hopefully the new version will be the better for having been built from the get-go w a convertible in mind.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Otherwise, what is recommended services for this car?
It is clear that the only extra money now available is $5000 (manufacturer to dealer) plus $1500 loyalty money if you currently own a GM vehicle. Subtracting $6500 from invoice will still keep you over $24,000.
Given that some bought in December and early January for less than $18,000 with GM card "money," I agree that it is very difficult to pay $6000 more now. Pontiac still has about 2000 units in inventory and will probably need to do something else to move them out.
I suppose they could give some away - say on the Oprah show . . .
Some folks may come in and get all hot and bothered about the '05 GTO, but can't afford it or can't swing the payments. At that point in time, the dealer can offer them the '04 for less. Some dealers may also make the 04's "demos" then take another $1k-$2k off the pricing. They will move - I think there's more than 2000 Pontiac dealers, so this is probably less than one per dealership. It wasn't uncommon to find 2002 Camaros and Firebirds still on the dealer lots in 2004...
- And that's why those two vehicles are no longer around. Let's hope GM history does not repeat itself!
On a brighter note; the '05s are available for sale on the west coast right now. Someone on another board claims to have purchased one for $500 over invoice in CA.
I think 500 miles was the figure in the manual for first oil change. I had already hit 900 the first weekend I owned it and ended up waiting till what the dealer/salesman had said 1500 miles. I wouldn't wait much beyond that. Once you get around 4000-6000 miles, you'll notice how much more powerful the engine is.
One other maintenance tip...check the rear side of the differential for fluid leaks on the bolts. The fluid is clear/slightly yellowish. If you have a leak, get to the dealership now!
The real issue is that I am not that happy with the brakes, very soft, spongy, etc etc. It seems they need to be bled. Wife's RendezVous CXL has better brakes!!! Am I alone with this perception about the brakes????
Other issue is the annoying electronics, twice I was stopped and showing 200 mph and moving showing 0 mph. Lately I am letting the engine doing the checking before I crank the starter. It works. Like I do on my dearest Aprilia CapoNord, aka red Cappy.
The trunk stinks!! I knew it but I love everything else in the car.
OIL CAN.
Re: the electronics, yes, wait for the system check to complete before putting into gear. Rumor has it there will be a fix (TSB) for this issue...
Re: your MPG question, is your car a stick or an auto? What octane/level of gas are you running?
--Robert
If you don't have a laptop to run HPTuners or EFILive, I might suggest you look at a Predator from http://www.diablosport.com - it's a combination programmer/tuner, code-reader and monitor. The stock Predator performance tune has some issues, but there are vendors that will "remotely tune" your vehicle/create custom tunes. I have one, played briefly with the stock tune (like maybe a day or so) and definitely got the 1-2 chirp, but my first GTO spent more time in the shop than in my possession, so I reloaded the factory tune/never had the custom tune done. I FINALLY got my replacement car Thursday:
http://www.hammen.net/newgto/
so, after I take it out of storage sometime in April, I'll put a K&N intake on it and then get it tuned.
Re: the brakes, I understand that C5 (Corvette) pads fit on the front; may be a bit of an upgrade. Other brake upgrades from PBR and Baer are > $1k; isn't your car a lease? Probably not worth it. I expereinced no issues with braking on my first car, but I understand if you use the brakes a lot (i.e. at the track), the fade becomes pretty bad. One of the things they fixed for '05...
Is your vibration/resonance just the cam lope, or something else? Suggest you maybe try another dealer - I'm assuming they need to use a Tech II to adjust the idle, unless, as you said, you do it yourself...
--Robert
Knocking Noise from Rear of Vehicle on Aggressive Launch or Acceleration (Install Rear Suspension Crossmember Front Mount Insulators)
2004 Pontiac GTO
Built Prior to VIN Breakpoint 4L246712
This bulletin is being revised to change a torque specification within the correction procedure. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 04-03-09-003 (Section 03 -- Suspension).
Condition
Some customers may comment on a knocking noise coming from the rear of the vehicle. This noise occurs during an aggressive launch or acceleration and will be more common on vehicles with a manual transmission.
Cause
The cause of this condition may be contact between the body and the rear suspension crossmember.
Correction
Install insulators, P/N 90447991, and new bolts, P/N 92038482, between the body and the rear suspension crossmember using the procedure listed below.
Important
Only remove the bolts from one side of the suspension crossmember at a time, and DO NOT loosen the opposite side, until the insulator is installed on the first side and all fasteners have been tightened to the specified torque setting.
Raise and support the vehicle. Refer to Lifting and Jacking the Vehicle in the General Information sub-section of the Service Manual. Position rear hoist.
Support the rear suspension crossmember just under the brace using an adjustable jack stand.
Remove the 3 brace to underbody bolts.
Remove the front mount bolt attaching the rear suspension crossmember to the underbody.
Lower the jack stand slightly to allow clearance between the crossmember and the underbody.
Important
When installing the insulator onto the crossmember front mount bushing, face the corrugated side upwards, so it bears against the underbody.
Install the insulator between the underbody and the upper part of the crossmember, ensuring to seat the insulator firmly onto the center of the crossmember front mount bushing.
Raise the crossmember using the jack stand until it is pressing firmly against the underbody.
With the jack stand still in position to support the crossmember, install the new front mount bolt and the 3 brace to underbody bolts. Tighten
Tighten the crossmember front mount bolt to 125N·m(92 lb ft). Use J 45059 Torque Angle Meter in order to tighten the bolt an additional 40 degrees.
Tighten
Tighten the brace bolts to 65N·m(48 lb ft).
Remove the jack stand.
Repeat steps 2 to 9 for the opposite side.
Parts Information
Part Number
Description
Qty
90447991
Insulator, Rear Suspension Crossmember Front Mount (2 Per Package)
1
92038482
Bolt, Rear Suspension Crossmember Front Mount
2
Parts are currently available from GMSPO.
Warranty Information
For vehicles repaired under warranty, use:
Labor Operation
E9407*
Rear Suspension Crossmember Front Mount Insulators -- Install
0.5 hr
*This is a unique labor operation number for use only with this bulletin. This number will not be published in the Labor Time Guide.
I read about the vette pads; not really concerned with stopping power as much as brake "feel" or modulation. Lots of people (as well as the mags) have complained about "spongy" brakes; this is what I'm talking about. Mine isn't a lease, exactly, it's a "SmartBuy," so I will be giving it back in Sept. 2006. I'm hoping that the 2006 models (last of the Monaro-version) will add a few features missing from the 2004-05 models (HVAC controls from the Monaro, spoiler delete, etc.). If so, I may re-up with a 06 model. 07's should be just about out by Sept. 06 so maybe I can get a good deal on an 06. If not, I may try to negotiate a better buy-out price on mine. Residual (or balloon note in my case) will be about $21,000; no way this car will be worth anywhere near that in two years. I'm guessing wholesale value by then will be below $16,000.