Subaru Crew: Official SOA Presence (aka Patti)

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  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    actually, we have a nice size home, but if all the kids happen to be here ... you'd be on air mattresses and sofas ... lol
  • subarusaleshousubarusaleshou Member Posts: 161
    sounds terrific but depends on how much money the daughter's university expects this spring as well as a few other things. If not this time then maybe the next one.
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    LD- You should certainly go! Maybe you can get the dealership to pay since it will make you a more knowledgeable and therefore better salesman.

    -Frank P.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    But if you talk the way you type, we'd never get any sleep. ;-)

    OK, cheap shot. Look who's talking, Mr. Motor Mouth himself!

    -juice
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    An SIA tour sounds great, in late spring or so. Also, I agree with DaveM - let's do a road trip. As Juice points out, if Saturn owners can do it, why can't we?

    Mark
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Could be fun... No, it would definitely be FUN!

    650 miles; heck, that's an afternoon commute if you've got an STi. :)

    Bob
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    gloves are now off ....
    If you're gonna make fun of my typing/talking (however well-deserved) .... I'll bring MF cookies for the crew, but Juice is off-limits .. lol
    (ok .. I probably wouldn't REALLY do that ...)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Oh man that is just cruel! ;-)

    I take that back! Brenda is awesome!

    stomach growls

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Count me in. I'll take the front door, and Bat will take the back door. We are getting ready to do 1500 miles in 1.5weeks. Bat is the best backdoor, he keeps all the 48hrs of Tri-state folks rolling! Here are some links to our other 1500 mile trips.

    http://azpinstalls.com/48hrs-04/
    http://isuzu-suvs.com/events/48hrsoftristate/index.html
    http://isuzu-suvs.com/events/48hrs-2/index.html

    Lots of pics inside.

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Do I take the SVX? Legacy Turbo? or trailer the Impreza L (it should be turboed and caged by then)?

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Legacy, because that was its birth place.

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    All the Turbo Legacy's were made in Japan. None of them were produced at the SIA Plant IIRC.

    -mike
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,399
    mike, I vote SVX 'cuz it's unique. (Besides, I've never sat in one.) 8~)

    Jim
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    You'll get to drive one if I bring it :)

    -mike
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,399
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    I'm not sure if Ken and Kate, et al will agree, but we can always get them to fly to an airport for a pickup!

    Patti
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I'd be willing to take care of the hotel arrangements and meet points etc. Since I've gotten pretty good at that from doing the 48hrs 3 years. Just let me know when we decide on a date and I'll get the wheels rollin (webpage and all)

    -mike
  • hgutsteinhgutstein Member Posts: 65
    Keep us posted as things develop - I will be having business in Indiana this spring anyway..

    HG
  • stuhallstuhall Member Posts: 59
    The latest...

    stuhall "Subaru Crew: Problems & Solutions" Dec 24, 2003 2:59pm
  • kate5000kate5000 Member Posts: 1,271
    I may even drive there... if I cannot find cheap enough air fare.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    How about Subaru offering a Legacy GT plant pick-up at SIA? You get a tour of the plant and see the vehicle you ordered being manufactured. You then get to drive it right out of the plant back to your home.

    Kind of like a poor man's version of the BMW factory pick-up program. I've heard that Lafayette and Bavaria have a lot in common. ;-)

    Ken
  • cptpltcptplt Member Posts: 1,075
    be there in a flash if it happens!

    toured the BMW factory about'80, great fun, also saw them do some safety crash tests at MB.

    fibber, they haven't sold a wide body jetliner for less than 3 figures for over a decade ! you are showing your age!:-)
    (or maybe its the Airbus MSRP for a widebody - 75 mill plus the other 100 mil in the fine print for routine cost overuns by suppliers beyond the control of Airbus SA!!)
  • twrxtwrx Member Posts: 647
    Need I say it? Come on out to Indiana and spend your tourist dollars here so my state funded job (public school teacher) is better funded. OK only joking but there are some other things to do in this state. We have some really nice state parks, Turkey Run with its wonderful hiking trails in the central western part of the state, Spring Mill with its late 1700's pioneer village and Clifty Falls with the tallest waterfalls in the state (all 4 falls 60 ft plus) in the southern end. Indy is not just the track, there is one of the best children's museums in the country. Finally in the south the best invertebrate fossil record in the world for the Devonian period is found at Falls of the Ohio State Park. Most of the southern part of the state which was untouched by the glaciers is the delight of invertebrate paleontologists. And if you make it down to the southern end we have some food for you. There are authentic mexican restaraunts in every city. We have 8 in the Evansville area alone. In Evansville and in Indianapolis the Shahi Dawatt Indian restaraunts are truly fine. In Bloomington (the universtiy town to the max) is one of only a handful of Tibetian restaruants in the US. (It is run by the Dalia Lama's nephew!)

    Anyway enough of hyping the state. Hope all of you can come out. If it is in the summer so I am off work I will drive up so I can meet all of you I seem to know so well via the net.

    Seriously if you need suggestions as to activities in Indiana I will happily email you links and such if youare planning to stay here for a time.

    TWRX
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    don't forget Potato Creek in the north and also Indiana Dunes Nat'l Recreation Area on Lake Michigan ... and of course, (as Ed would know), the Studebaker museum, College Football Hall of Fame, and Notre Dame University in South Bend
  • subarusaleshousubarusaleshou Member Posts: 161
    could occupy literally years of travel to see and do all the things that would be enjoyable. I believe I could spend the remainder of my lifetime travelling the U.S. and not see all I'd want to see. Luckily, wherever one went wouldn't be any further from Patti and the EXCELLENT Subaru experience than the nearest internet access point... (good segue to topic if I do say so myself) :)
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    Spring/Summer. I'll see if anything of particular interest will be happening at the plant around then to try to pin a time frame down! This could be fun!

    Patti
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Oh it will be fun! :) Late may early june could work for it.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Job 1 for the new Legacy will happen too soon. Maybe Job 1 for the 7 seater? I'd go.

    Any indications on the time frame for production of that vehicle, Patti?

    -juice
  • goneskiiangoneskiian Member Posts: 381
    I'd love to come as well. Maybe even be able to talk the dw into it. ;)

    I'm with Ken. If I can work in a pick up of my new GT Wagon I'll be there in a heart beat! ;)

    -Ian
  • stuhallstuhall Member Posts: 59
    I have family roots in that area, a small town called Monticello 20 miles from Lafayette.

    It's mostly an industrial town except for Purdue University. But due to the University it has a passable nightlife. Enjoy yourselves.
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    the b/f is from monticello and his family still lives there - and runs the popcorn stand at indiana beach .. chances are you all know one another (if not related)
  • znalgznalg Member Posts: 9
    I'm new to the group and I apologize in advance if I'm posting about something that has already been resolved. I'm writing about the abs braking problem on the WRX in which the system gets tripped up by surface irregularities. I'm in the market for an '04 WRX and am very disconcerted that this problem has been appearing in Subarus (I had the same problem in a '97 4Runner). Is it known whether the brake changes that were made for '04 have truly resolved this problem? Thanks very much.
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    are still looking into it, but initial reports were that there is a "perception" issue. For what it's worth - we could never duplicate it in any of our test vehicles or the vehicles we checked out at dealerships so you might not want to let it stop you from considering a WRX. They are a fun - safe car!

    Patti
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    information out so we can plan a date around it. I'll post what I hear.

    Patti
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Just change to grippier tires and you should be fine :)

    -Dave

    p/s It's not the ABS or the brakes.
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    it's the center diff linking it all together!

    we had a short debate about this a few hundred messages ago. at least one forum member here can duplicate the problem on demand. many have never experienced it.

    -c
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    hit 'read subscriptions' instead of the REFRESH button, you're posting is getting repeated by doing that.

    btw, normally Edmunds doesn't care for links to other forums...

    -Brian
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    I for one wouldn't let some posts over on Nabisco scare me away from an excellent vehicle which has won so many "Best of" awards. In any case, the "possibility" that you "may" encounter a situation where the ABS gets confused seems pretty slight.

    -Frank P.
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    For what it's worth, I tried reproducing this on all three of our Subarus, using the same irregular section of road. I didn't detect anything other than normal ABS behavior, and I really had to whale on the brakes to get it. I have 17" wheels/tires on my WRX, by the way.

    I did have one of these incidents on my 97 Honda Prelude. Was slowing down from about 35mph to turn into a parking lot. The road was really bumpy, and ABS kicked in. The end effect was that I entered the lot going way too fast, and with diminished braking power (I could still steer, however). In effect, ABS greatly lengthened the stopping distance compared to what I was "expecting". From that standpoint, I agree completely with Patti that it's at least partly a perception issue.

    To me, the real question is how the diminished ABS braking compares to the same case where no ABS was involved (ie, with the wheels locking up and loss of steering control). Everyone compares the issue with what they perceive the correct behavior should be, but I'm curious what the "real" behavior would be without any ABS.

    Craig
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    I really love my WRX. I drove it today for the first time in a week (been busy due to holiday, visiting family, etc) and the car immediately put a smile on my face. I agree with Frank, don't let the posts on the other site scare you away from an excellent car.

    If you really need convincing, try taking a thorough test drive and make sure the brakes are what you expect.

    Craig
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    FWIW, we've had 5 Subies in our family, my 1998 Forester being the oldest, noone has ever shown that symptom.

    -juice
  • znalgznalg Member Posts: 9
    Thanks for the encouraging thoughts. I'll definitely take them into consideration. Sorry if my post got repeated.
  • registaregista Member Posts: 9
    Even my wife's 2003 Baja is affected by it. She recently got into an accident because of it. Said her Baja "turned into a bumper car." Luckily, it happened at low speed and not even the airbag deployed, although three people still got injured.

    We've garaged the car since. Nobody wants to even come close to it, let alone drive it. Regardless, I am confident that it can be replicated if need be.

    Judging by our experience and the complaints I've found on NHTSA's site and elsewhere, SoA is sitting on much more than a simple "perception" problem (unless we're talking about the ECU's 'perception' of what's taking place elsewhere in the vehicle).

    My take on this issue is that the Bosch 5.3i hasn't been successfully mated to the platform's other electronically controlled features.
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    in the Baja. Did the dealer check it out? Please call us at 1-800-SUBARU3 so we can check into this for you and your wife.

    I'm sorry if it sounded like the only thing was a perception problem. It is something that we are still looking into. If your wife can readily duplicate it, then please bring it into the dealer. We'd appreciate her demonstrating it to them so we can gather information. I'm really surprised that you folks wouldn't have contacted us to report something this serious before and would choose to leave a car parked in a garage rather than get it fixed?

    Thank you.

    Patti
  • kullenbergkullenberg Member Posts: 283
    Patti: If you'll recall, I wrote you about this problem on my mother's OB, which she refused to get back into, after a wild ride down Beech Mtn. To Subaru's credit she bought another Subie, with which she's had no problem. Since I was driving on that event, I've had second thoughts about the XT, due to the ABS. I would hope that Subaru is stepping up to the plate on this. It could turn into an "Exploder" type situation, if not handled properly.
    Cheers
    Pat
  • registaregista Member Posts: 9
    Patti, thanks for your interest and kind offer to help. In fact, we have already notified SoA about this and a company representative is currently gathering information about the vehicle, accident, injuries, insurance claims, etc., etc. (read: building up a case file) to be evaluated before a determination is made as to whether or not the vehicle should be inspected and tested by the company.

    SoA has requested that the vehicle remain untouched until such a determination has been made. Now, given SoA's repeated rejection of ABS defect claims, we opted to garage the vehicle anyway, pending possible test and evaluation by SoA and/or a qualified ABS brake testing facility. Remember, there were injuries in this particular accident and the dust hasn't quite settled on that issue yet.

    Let me add that we both loved the product until the very moment this unfortunate event took place. We're just happy that none of the injuries were serious and there were no fatalities or significant property damage. However, we now face the grim prospect of being sued by those injured and, at the same time, we're stuck with a vehicle we're paying dearly for and still, will never trust enough to operate in confidence.

    In the meantime, we feel sorry (and scared) for the thousands of unknowing Subaru owners out there who have no clue of this seemingly pervasive and elusive problem.

    BTW... happy 2004!
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    I did try to find a case for you. Could you please ask your Representative to bring the case to me? I can't seem to find one for a Baja in NJ with an accident. I pulled through a lot of cases last night looking for it. I'll make sure I view it as a priority once I know what the case number is.

    Thanks.

    Patti
  • registaregista Member Posts: 9
    Pati, information about our case has been sent to you by other means.

    Again, thanks for your interest and kind assistance.

    Alberto
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Alberto-

    Elusive - certainly. But pervasive? Hardly.

    I'm sincerely sorry that your wife was involved in an accident but you've provided zero details on why you even suspect the ABS was a contributing factor. For you to now declare the problem to be "pervasive" and that you're "sorry and scared" for other Subaru owners strikes me as a severe over-reaction.

    -Frank P.
  • registaregista Member Posts: 9
    "Pervasive"... as in that it seems to affect all models alike. Go to NHTSA's site and look in their complaints database.

    "Over-reaction"? Well... I equally "sincerely" hope it doesn't happen to you, or any other fellow Subaru owner out there, for that matter.

    Regardless... Happy 2004!
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