Toyota Land Cruiser

joeeblow1

'95 brought changes to the fzj80. Updated dash, different transmission, air bags, OBD-II, different air meter & fuel map, and a few other minor changes.

nrossi

Does anyone know if the cargo area behind the 2nd row seats in a 100 is more, less, or the same as an 80?

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Nick

nota4re

The TLC is IMO, built better than the Seq... but not worth the $10K+ price premium. (I've have both.) The Seq has a LOT more room than the TLC drives nearly the same, is just as quiet and has virtually identical drivetrain. Reasons to buy the TLC: a.)Seq size is impractical for you (garage space, etc.) b.)You want/need the NAV available only in the TLC; c.) You have money to burn. Reasons to buy Seq: a.)Can use the extra space; b.) Can use the $10K savings;

Do you think the TLC price difference is due to added quality and better materials? Think again. SUV's imported from Japan carry a 25% USA import tariff... which Toyota kindly passes on to you. The Seq is built here (did I mention the TLC build quality is better?) but no tariff. There's the price diff... although some materials are really better in the TLC.

Having owned both, the SEQ is 9/10 TLC in many areas and 12/10's when it comes to added room at 8/10 TLC price.

I'm not trying to pick any fights with anyone - just sharing my opinion.

lpc68

would someone tell me if a chime should go off if you leave the lights on and take the keys out of the LC. i have a 91 LC.

if so, do you know which fuse might be assoc with the chime. i left my lights on the other day and drained my battery. thought perhaps the lights would turn off automatically if there was no chime.

talks in advance for any info.

Monicard

I drove both and looked both over prior to purchasing an '01 Cruiser early last year. Thee Land Cruiser has some extra items that the Sequoia does not. A couple of examples are that the Cruiser has an underhood blanket and another insulation blanket on the firewall; the Sequoia has neither, even on the Limited version. A couple of other things I noticed are the Cruiser has slightly larger width wheels and the tire size is a little larger (275 vs 265 or 245).The leather on the Cruiser appears better and the materials inside appear to be slightly more upscale although the stereo head unit is identical. The frame must be stronger on the Cruiser as the payload capacity is a few hundred pounds greater.I personally liked the size of the Landcruiser; it fits the four of us just fine and it is an advantage when taken out on the occasional off road foray. The Cruiser is full time 4wd; with the Sequoia you can turn off the 4wd and get slightly better mileage. The departure and approach angles are better on the Cruiser and the turning radius is several feet smaller. The additional space on the Sequoia is really in the second seat legroom. The space behind the second seat is a little larger in the Sequoia, but not significantly so. If you have a big family, really need the maximum space, or son't want to spend 50K, get the Sequoia. If cost is not a big issue and you want the absolute best get the Cruiser or an LX470. They are a little better for 4 wheeling but lower on the overall value scale. My 2 cents.

nrossi

My 98 LC is squeaking. I think it's coming from the front. I'm not sure if it's the wheels, or the suspension. It happens intermitantly. Anybody have any ideas?

Thx
Nick

toyotas1

Sorry to see it go, in 2005. It is truly a legend.

mobiweld

It's going in 2005?

sahara111

Well, I decided on the Michelin "Cross Terrain SUV" tire for our '98 LC. Here in my area the best price was found thru Sams Club - they gladly special ordered a set of 4 for me. It took about 6 days and they installed them the day they arrived. They also just happened to have a $35 credit for another year membership or a shopping credit in the store for buying Michelin tires this month.

My initial impression? I'm very happy with them. They are very quiet with an excellent, softer, more compliant ride than the original tires (Dunlop Gran Trek). Also, I had been experiencing some pull to the right, even after an alignment job; now it has completely gone away. I guess one of the Dunlops had a problem. So far I've had the new tires up to around 90 mph and they ride really great.

I also experienced just a little snow/ice driving this weekend with them and they seemed to be excellent, very controllable and predictable.

Will try to put in a longer term report for you at a later date.

-Sahara111

toyotas1

The Cruiser is as dead as the skin on Joan Rivers' face! The Sequioa/GX470 are your hints, the rest is up to you.....

ljflx

So Lexus and Toyota want to replace their high-end suv's with ones that sell at 10-15k less???Are you kidding! Most LX470's are rolling out the door at full 61k+ sticker and sell very quickly. These are the two best SUV's on the road and sell well so why on earth would Toyota retire them. If you want to make a statement like that then give a decent basis.

mobiweld

Did you read this somewhere or just a guess?

edsel4u

If in fact the Toyota LC is eliminated in the United States, then Toyota should be encouraged to replace it with the Mdl 78. I would trade my FJ 80 and 100 in a heartbeat for a 78 "Troop Carrier". I'm tired LC's "Cadillac" interiors, it's about time for a hose out interior with drain plugs. Better yet, check out this Toyota AUS link: with the installed snorkel one could "hose out" the interior by just fording a stream!

http://www.lc78.toyota.com.au/LandCruiser78/Portal/1,1550,12-28,00.html

toyotas1

Follow me here. The GX470 takes the LX suspension, 3rd seat, and engine, and is about the same length. The Sequoia is no Land Cruiser in disquise. Lexus sells less than 600 a month now, sales are down 50%, and the GX ISN'T EVEN OUT YET!!! With the new Rover out, why would Lexus invest what....a billion dollars to replace a low volume SUV when it has 2 already?? If necessary, the Sequioa platform could be adapted for Lexus duty, but the LC/LX is done, as we know it, in 2005......

ljflx

And there's another thread that says a new body style is coming out next year and sales are down because they are producing less cars while they re-tool the assembly line. (BTW they also expected a Sept. 11th letdown so they cut production but there is a lot of pent-up demand.) This is always typical in the last year of a model. It also happened with the LS400. Your logic assumes that Lexus already knows it has a certified hit on its hands in the GX470 nearly a year before its' release date. It also begs the question of why would you allow a body restyle of a model you are phasing out two years later.

The Sequoia was introduced as a large SUV to take market share from Ford and Chevy. It isn't intended to replace a Cruiser. The only SUV that can do that is an LX470 because it's a Cruiser plus. I do think in the latter case Toyota has to make up its mind if a continuing model is the Lexus or the TLC. I don't think it's smart long-term to have both. By the way $1bn is pocket change for Toyota.

jcoulter

It is hard to imagine the demise of the TLC. It is Toyota's flagship vehicle, various versions of which are sold all over the globe. It has a tremendous cult following all over the planet. It has one of the most recognizable names of any vehicle made. It may be true that Toyota only sells 500-600 TLCs per month (and about 600-700 LX470s per month) here in the US, but I believe that the rationing is partly a business decision Toyota has made to promote the sale of the Sequoia in the US at the expense of the TLC. Why? Because the Sequoia is made here (no tariffs) versus the TLC is made in Japan (25% import tariff) which translates into a huge difference in profit margin for Toyota. I am not an auto industry analyst, but I would bet that due to the 25% import tariff, Toyota does not make what they would deem an adequate profit from the sale of the TLC in the US.

My prediction is that the Land Cruiser as we knpw it will only be available as a Lexus at some point in the next several years. After all, the MSRP is $8,000 more and there is probably less discounting by Lexus dealers, which makes up for part of the cost of the tariff and probably translates into better profit margins for Toyota in selling the Land Cruiser as a Lexus LX470.

The GX470 is not a replacement for the LX470. In fact some 4Runner afficienados I am acquainted with believe the GX470 is a spiffed up version of the next generation of 4Runner. Only time will tell.

cliffy1

Toyota is pretty proud of the name. The Land Cruiser is the only vehicle that has been imported every year of Toyota's existence in this country. The last rumor I heard (and this was a while ago with no follow ups since) was that the LC will be reborn in a couple of years with a "retro" look. I imagine it will be something akin to the Discovery 90.

Time will tell, but I have a hard time believing the LC name will be dropped from these shores.

raybear

Imagine a real retro LC! A friend of mine had an old one, this was in 1980, I fogot what year, but I loved that old rattletrap. He'd have had something worth keeping if he'd bothered with rustproofing and maintainence. I tried to buy it from him but couldn't afford the asking price back then.

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tnhhudson

there is a retro TLC in the "concept cars" section at toyota.com. i'm not skilled enough to post the link. its worth the look!

ironside7

I've looked at "retro" tlc on the toyota web site. It looks strikingly similar to a Hummer.

njpaguy

Toyota builds a Hummer equivalent for commercial/military use in Japan. Don't recall the name, but this brute even looks like a Hummer! From the Retro photo on the website, it looks like Toyota morphed a stylized FJ-something front end onto the body of their Hummer-thing. While I can't complain about the luxury of my '01 TLC, I'd really love a serious up-to-date off roader without all the leather. A down and dirty truck (vinyl seats, vinyl floor BUT with current technology for engine/suspension, etc). For it to be a new TLC would be perfect!

md2002

Actually if I can find the auto mag that this Retro Cruiser appeared in I will post the info. I believe it is a one of a kind hugely expensive concept that did lengthen an old FJ body, BUT, put in the latest TLC guts. It would be the best of all worlds. that would be the best way to replace the 4RUNNER. But based on the rumors of a new 4RUNNER this year (maybe) and the GX470 being the supposed 4RUNNER platform, maybe good things are coming.

 http://www.toyota.com/html/shop/look_ahead/conceptcar.html#retro

sawmilldriver

Does anybody know if Toyota came up with a fix for the heavy bass problem on the JBL stereo system, there were some postings about this last fall?

toyotas1

In 2005, the ruiser, as we know it, will drive into the Rising Sunset. Then, after a year off, will be resurrected in a more primitive style and form. Latest technologies, just not a luxury truck anymore. Maybe a GOAL of 5000 units a year, just to keep the name and heritage alive. They shouldn't kill off the Cruiser!! The next version will be a more back to its roots kind of vehicle.

mobiweld

From whom?

toyotas1

but then I'd have to kill ya....

ljflx

That makes a lot of sense. Build a great brand name and then kill it so you can bring it back in an inferior way and sell a fraction of the volume it now sells. So what's next - Lexus kills off the LS430?

toyotas1

The Land Cruiser (along with the Jeep Wrangler and Land Rover), have the greatest off-road pedigree in history. None of them will EVER be "killed off", but the current "Land Crusher" has gotten off the path, pardon the pun. It already costs over $50k! Toyota doesn'thave anything to prove as far as making it more luxurious. The world doesn't need an even MORE luxurious Cruiser, you understand? Toyota spent A LOT of money on the last redesign, and it shows! But the vehicle now only sells to people who make $200000 a year, how many of those are there who can appreciate its heritage and ability? Toyota will reinvent it, just so that it's closer to the versions sold around the world. Our Cruiser is bloated and soft in comparison, and it costs too much to make it SO different. More HUMMER, less Lexus. It won't forget it's prime directive, roomy off-road master!

mobiweld

Listen...car sales monkey....demonstrate some credibility or stop wasting our time.

adrenalineshop

hey
have a 1995 fjz80 with 65k on it can I run synth.fluids in trans case, diff. tranny,and oil. if so what grades. and is any brand fine or is their a difference. also live in a rural area on a dirt logging road. what type on shocks and spring will i have the least problem with? do not really do any off roading other than leave my house.i run mich ltx ms stock size tyres.also when i changed the rear brakes their where no chims. i have ordered them from the dealership.what i need is some advise on putting them on since i did not take them off i have no clue.was told the order was important anyone have pic or advise thanks ron

olizer

Yes, you can use synthetic. Use the same weight as your manual calls for if using dino oil. It gets a little expensive for the 8 quarts in the engine if you don't extend the drain interval a bit. I also use syn in the diffs but not the trans - it's a mental thing - I feel the syn might be too slippery or not have the same characteristics as the natural. My email address is listed - give me a shout and I'll send you some other tech hints.

ljflx

Your logic is what makes no sense. Toyota is in business to sell the most cars it can for the highest price. Did you ever check the sticker price of the previous model and the demo group who bought it. Both are virtually unchanged. Do you know of any company that wants to walk away from a demo group making $200k per year and in most cases $300k per year plus??? The only way your opinion would be logical is if the LX470 becomes Toyota's stand-alone. But you've said that truck is expiring also.

tidester

... without the personal attacks and namecalling! Let's stick to issues!

Thanks.

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cliffy1

Attacking toyotas1 for nothing more than offering his opinion insight? The logic makes perfect sense to me anyway. They are not going to discontinue the LX470 so they will still have a "super lux" SUV, plus they will pick up market share by offering a true off roader in keeping with the heritage of the Land Cruiser.

Relax guys. Its just speculation right now anyway.

ironside7

I posted a couple of messages a while back about the rear differential locking operation in a 98 TLC. My concern was that I couldn't get the rear diff to lock when driving in a straight line on dry pavement (I wouldn't dare try to turn the wheels on a dry surface).

Well, I finally was able to test out the rear diff locker in some slippery snow a couple of weeks ago. I first shifted to low (which automatically locked the center diff) and first drove straight - the rear diff lock did not engage. However, once I started a slight turn (thus causing one rear wheel to turn at a greater rate than the other)the rear diff locker engaged right away.

So, at least in my TLC, it appears that there needs to be non-synchronous rear wheel rotation in order for the rear diff lock to engage (and disengage).

Just thought I'd share.

toyotas1

love the back-up, but if the current LC dies, the LX dies with it! The new GX is being brought in to take up the slack, and the engine, and the transmission, and the 4WD tech, and third seat...... and this makes sense, since Toyota desn't like the idea of spending hundreds of millions of dollars to redesign anything for sales of less than 10000 a year (remember the Supra and old MR2?). Toyota will get the only version of the LC.

ljflx

That's funny because the annual sales of both is more than double what you say it is and Range Rover is praying for 10,000 sales a year. Now please answer me why Toyota wants to move away from such a rich customer segment.

If you want to be serious about it, and you haven't uttered a serious thing yet, here's a strategy that makes a lot more sense. The LX470 raises the bar and becomes an LX500+ and gets more luxury than it already has. The GX470 has a twin brother that is maintained as the Landcruiser but has less luxury and less optional equipment. Lexus gets the high end cruiser buyers into its showrooms where they view and test drive LS and GS models instead of Avalons and Camry's. Toyota holds onto a brand name that is an icon (why did Acura ever retire the Legend name) and remains a rugged truck and can be priced at or just above a loaded Sequoia and just under a comparable GX470. An alternative is the Landcruiser becomes a rugged Hummer like truck priced at 45k-50k+ but I doubt it. A further alternative is that Lexus gets the Landcruiser name but I doubt that to.

toyotas1

the current Cruiser dies, and the LX is redesigned on the Sequioa platform in 2005. The Cruiser/LX right now sell about 16000 unts combined, and this number will fall quickly with the new Range Rover. So in 2005, the Sequioa/LX redesign would receive a displacement increase, and the LX500 would be borne.... my point is the current Cruiser platform is as dead as the skin on Joan Rivers' face..... the Lx should live on as a modified Sequioa down the road, and Lexus won't have to fight Toyota's Cruiser heritage for sales, as the Cruiser could be a totally different platform, and seek a totally different buyer.....

ljflx

I doubt there are many people who want a superlux truck as a big as a Sequoia. The LX470/Landcruiser is just the right size. I also doubt owners of SUV's that as are reliable as these will want to roll the dice with the Range Rover given its historically poor reliability. By the way the owners of either the LX or the TLC are much higher than average with the satisfaction of ownership based on Consumer Reports. I know I certainly am. I also think you'll see the combo return to the more normal 25k sales per year now that Toyota has again stepped up production. September 11 had an effect so don't base your annualized sales on the 4th quarter of 2001.

tidester

That was mean!

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toyotas1

What was mean? Excuse me, for all I can come up with is.....Huh?

adrenalineshop

live in a rural area on a dirt logging road. what type on shocks and spring will i have the least problem with? do not really do any off roading other than leave my house.i run mich ltx ms stock size tyres. is their a kit that keeps same oem ride height truck barly fits in garage now.

philg87

like with with any model year they try to improve or fix design flaws or just things that keep breaking from the year before. Can anyone tell me if that was the case with the 01 TLC & 02 TLC. Can any 02 TLC owner tell me what they like most about their suv and if there are any dislikes. I'm looking to buy one now. thanks

cliffy1

That is a credible theory. In fact, the more I think about it, the more credible it becomes. I'll bet you're right.

mobiweld

Bilstein. Less expensive than OEM Toyota and arguably of better quality.

tidester

What was mean?

I was referring to your unflattering comment about Joan Rivers.

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hicaira

I assume that you are aware that the majority of Land Cruisers are sold in countries other than the U.S.? While your theories and speculation (and that is all that it is) may have some merit for this market (due to tariffs and the presence of the Sequoia), they fail to hold water for the rest of the world where the 'Cruiser is a way of life and much more ubiquitous, not to mention utilitarian.

HiC

toyotas1

you meant when I said the current Cruiser platform is as dead as the skin on Joan Rivers' face? Oh..... well I try to go for accuracy. Lying is against my nature. And I appreciate your poise when it comes to my brand of automotive commentary. Just trying to make people laugh, cry, and educate them all the while..... and as for you Hicaira, that's my whole point, the next Cruiser will be more in line with what other countries get (with a few more luxuries, like seatbelts, electroic fuel injection....), instead of being this $50-60k off-road sofa bed. It will be more....purposeful in the future.