I saw an ad for a local Ford dealer offering an $89/mo 24 month lease on a Fusion. A stripper no doubt and super low 10,500 miles a year. I could live with that milage. Interesting. Then I looked at the fine print.
$3,000 down, acquisition fee and an extra $1,000 if you wern't coming off another lease. Just the money down would be more than the $89/mo. Throw in those fees, sales tax and shenanigans with the money factor and you could end up paying 3X the advertized rate.
Why do they make it so difficult?
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I saw an ad for a local Ford dealer offering an $89/mo 24 month lease on a Fusion. A stripper no doubt and super low 10,500 miles a year. I could live with that milage. Interesting. Then I looked at the fine print.
$3,000 down, acquisition fee and an extra $1,000 if you wern't coming off another lease. Just the money down would be more than the $89/mo. Throw in those fees, sales tax and shenanigans with the money factor and you could end up paying 3X the advertized rate.
Why do they make it so difficult?
You should come down this way and see the low lease payments they advertise (Lexus, MB, Jeep) for 7,500 miles per year.
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We have the Sonos soundbar at one of our TVs and like it quite a bit. I used to be all into the full home theater setup, but now prefer the simplicity of a good soundbar if it accommodates the needs.
The Sonos soundbar is outstanding. That said, my lovely bride tolerates my HTS quasi-obsession so I don't have the WAF to deal with...
There are some really good soundbars out there. Sonos is one. BOSE, believe it or not, have some that aren't bad. I heard an ATMOS demonstration using an LG sound bar that I was impressed with.
That said, tough to get away from my full blown surround sound A/V set up. Hell, I just added a 15" sub to my 18" sub. I will put my system up against anything you hear in a theater. You want to get the "in theater" movie experience without putting up with the people who have their cell phones wringing, infants screaming, person behind talking the whole time, I'll stick to my own home theater.
I agree 100%. There are a couple of IMAX theaters in the Louisville area that might sound a bit better than my main HTS. The remaining movie theaters don't sound as good as my "Cheap and Dirty" under $1k basement system.
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While listening to the radio today, a song Let's take a ride came on. That lead to the thought that an autonomous vehicle needs a specific destination. Doesn't sound good.
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We have the Sonos soundbar at one of our TVs and like it quite a bit. I used to be all into the full home theater setup, but now prefer the simplicity of a good soundbar if it accommodates the needs.
The Sonos soundbar is outstanding. That said, my lovely bride tolerates my HTS quasi-obsession so I don't have the WAF to deal with...
There are some really good soundbars out there. Sonos is one. BOSE, believe it or not, have some that aren't bad. I heard an ATMOS demonstration using an LG sound bar that I was impressed with.
That said, tough to get away from my full blown surround sound A/V set up. Hell, I just added a 15" sub to my 18" sub. I will put my system up against anything you hear in a theater. You want to get the "in theater" movie experience without putting up with the people who have their cell phones wringing, infants screaming, person behind talking the whole time, I'll stick to my own home theater.
I agree 100%. There are a couple of IMAX theaters in the Louisville area that might sound a bit better than my main HTS. The remaining movie theaters don't sound as good as my "Cheap and Dirty" under $1k basement system.
It's a shame some movie theaters don't care how good their sound system is working. You pay $12 for a ticket, you should get some good sound quality to go with the overpriced popcorn.
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Living in Bellevue, I go into the city just a few times a year now. There's very little over there I need enough to want to make me brave the traffic or deal with transit times, as almost everything can be had in Bellevue now. Of course, Bellevue traffic is a zoo too just like Issaquah, but at least it is closer.
I saw an ad for a local Ford dealer offering an $89/mo 24 month lease on a Fusion. A stripper no doubt and super low 10,500 miles a year. I could live with that milage. Interesting. Then I looked at the fine print.
$3,000 down, acquisition fee and an extra $1,000 if you wern't coming off another lease. Just the money down would be more than the $89/mo. Throw in those fees, sales tax and shenanigans with the money factor and you could end up paying 3X the advertized rate.
Why do they make it so difficult?
You should come down this way and see the low lease payments they advertise (Lexus, MB, Jeep) for 7,500 miles per year.
I could probably do 7500 a year if it was on an extra car. I probably do 15k a year spread out over 3 vehicles.
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I am pretty sure the custom Zephyr is a kit or re-creation, I have seen something like that before, but I think it was a coupe. A Zephyr cabrio is astronomically rare, and probably wouldn't meet such a brash fate.
We have the Sonos soundbar at one of our TVs and like it quite a bit. I used to be all into the full home theater setup, but now prefer the simplicity of a good soundbar if it accommodates the needs.
The Sonos soundbar is outstanding. That said, my lovely bride tolerates my HTS quasi-obsession so I don't have the WAF to deal with...
There are some really good soundbars out there. Sonos is one. BOSE, believe it or not, have some that aren't bad. I heard an ATMOS demonstration using an LG sound bar that I was impressed with.
That said, tough to get away from my full blown surround sound A/V set up. Hell, I just added a 15" sub to my 18" sub. I will put my system up against anything you hear in a theater. You want to get the "in theater" movie experience without putting up with the people who have their cell phones wringing, infants screaming, person behind talking the whole time, I'll stick to my own home theater.
I agree 100%. There are a couple of IMAX theaters in the Louisville area that might sound a bit better than my main HTS. The remaining movie theaters don't sound as good as my "Cheap and Dirty" under $1k basement system.
Now they just need a decent movie to make that sound system worthwhile. :@
We have the Sonos soundbar at one of our TVs and like it quite a bit. I used to be all into the full home theater setup, but now prefer the simplicity of a good soundbar if it accommodates the needs.
The Sonos soundbar is outstanding. That said, my lovely bride tolerates my HTS quasi-obsession so I don't have the WAF to deal with...
There are some really good soundbars out there. Sonos is one. BOSE, believe it or not, have some that aren't bad. I heard an ATMOS demonstration using an LG sound bar that I was impressed with.
That said, tough to get away from my full blown surround sound A/V set up. Hell, I just added a 15" sub to my 18" sub. I will put my system up against anything you hear in a theater. You want to get the "in theater" movie experience without putting up with the people who have their cell phones wringing, infants screaming, person behind talking the whole time, I'll stick to my own home theater.
When I bought my new TV for my bedroom wall, I also bought a sound bar made by Vizio. The sound adds to the surround sound and is easy to use. I think I paid $200 for the speakers.
Mike....there are a lot of really good sound bars out in the market now. I have one made by an internet only company called ZVOX in my bedroom set up.
I'm ashamed to admit how much money I have tied up in my main home theater but it's north of $12,000 if I started to tally it up....just in hardware. Is it worth it? To me it is. But, I have a lot of SACD, DVD-Audio/DTS audio only disks, Blu Rays...both movies and concerts, have bought a few 4K discs. Then, I have my analog system there with my turntable set up. There is more 4K content over the streaming services available and they look and sound fantastic.
It's a hobby....and I get a lot of enjoyment out of it. I don't hang around in bars, or am a fisherman/hunter, etc. So, I kind of view it as my entertainment budget put to use.
Living in Bellevue, I go into the city just a few times a year now. There's very little over there I need enough to want to make me brave the traffic or deal with transit times, as almost everything can be had in Bellevue now. Of course, Bellevue traffic is a zoo too just like Issaquah, but at least it is closer.
I despise driving into Seattle and take the bus when necessary. Issaquah traffic is out of control now!
Agreed - we are close enough to take the light rail down town on the weekends for movies and what not. The Cinerama is a pretty amazing theater - I guess that is one of Paul Allen's hobbies!
Back to cars a bit - neighbor just bought a Q5. A very lovely car, but I am not sold on high output turbo 4 cylinder engines, especially in luxury cars.
Living in Bellevue, I go into the city just a few times a year now. There's very little over there I need enough to want to make me brave the traffic or deal with transit times, as almost everything can be had in Bellevue now. Of course, Bellevue traffic is a zoo too just like Issaquah, but at least it is closer.
I despise driving into Seattle and take the bus when necessary. Issaquah traffic is out of control now!
Agreed - we are close enough to take the light rail down town on the weekends for movies and what not. The Cinerama is a pretty amazing theater - I guess that is one of Paul Allen's hobbies!
Back to cars a bit - neighbor just bought a Q5. A very lovely car, but I am not sold on high output turbo 4 cylinder engines, especially in luxury cars.
I wasn't like you. But after having had my wife's X1 for almost 8 months, I can tell you that done properly and paired with a good transmission, it's awesome.
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I have a conference in Boston from October 15th through 17th. I'm staying at the Hyatt Regency Boston...looks to be a few blocks away from Faneuil Hall. If anyone here is from Boston or knows the area any recommendations for restaurants in that general area?
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I have a conference in Boston from October 15th through 17th. I'm staying at the Hyatt Regency Boston...looks to be a few blocks away from Faneuil Hall. If anyone here is from Boston or knows the area any recommendations for restaurants in that general area?
Living in Bellevue, I go into the city just a few times a year now. There's very little over there I need enough to want to make me brave the traffic or deal with transit times, as almost everything can be had in Bellevue now. Of course, Bellevue traffic is a zoo too just like Issaquah, but at least it is closer.
I despise driving into Seattle and take the bus when necessary. Issaquah traffic is out of control now!
Agreed - we are close enough to take the light rail down town on the weekends for movies and what not. The Cinerama is a pretty amazing theater - I guess that is one of Paul Allen's hobbies!
Back to cars a bit - neighbor just bought a Q5. A very lovely car, but I am not sold on high output turbo 4 cylinder engines, especially in luxury cars.
I wasn't like you. But after having had my wife's X1 for almost 8 months, I can tell you that done properly and paired with a good transmission, it's awesome.
I hear you, and I rented a 328i with that same motor, it is great to drive, I just wonder about how it holds up over time. A lot of performance is being wrung out of relatively small motor.
I know technology has improved immensely, perhaps this generation of 4 cylinder turbos will be better
Living in Bellevue, I go into the city just a few times a year now. There's very little over there I need enough to want to make me brave the traffic or deal with transit times, as almost everything can be had in Bellevue now. Of course, Bellevue traffic is a zoo too just like Issaquah, but at least it is closer.
I despise driving into Seattle and take the bus when necessary. Issaquah traffic is out of control now!
Agreed - we are close enough to take the light rail down town on the weekends for movies and what not. The Cinerama is a pretty amazing theater - I guess that is one of Paul Allen's hobbies!
Back to cars a bit - neighbor just bought a Q5. A very lovely car, but I am not sold on high output turbo 4 cylinder engines, especially in luxury cars.
I wasn't like you. But after having had my wife's X1 for almost 8 months, I can tell you that done properly and paired with a good transmission, it's awesome.
I hear you, and I rented a 328i with that same motor, it is great to drive, I just wonder about how it holds up over time. A lot of performance is being wrung out of relatively small motor.
I know technology has improved immensely, perhaps this generation of 4 cylinder turbos will be better
My original post should have said "I was like you" - autocorrect fail. I do worry about longevity, but I'd be lying to myself I said it'd be around after the lease is up.
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@pensfan83, There is a Legal Seafood near Faneuil Hall. If you get a chance try to go on a Duck Tour. Too bad, Head of the Charles is the next weekend.
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@pensfan83, There is a Legal Seafood near Faneuil Hall. If you get a chance try to go on a Duck Tour. Too bad, Head of the Charles is the next weekend.
I will second Legal Seafood; I'd always go to the one on Rte 9 in Natick every time I was out there for business.
There are Legal Seafoods all over the place. If you are near Faneuil Hall (and therefore the North End) you might want to seek out something that's not a chain. Not that there's anything wrong with Legal Seafoods, mind you.
I'm not a local, so can give no specific recommendations, but have had excellent food in places that I can't remember in the area you're talking about and enjoyed following the Freedom Trail, which is free (other than the mobs of people who are all also following it). Sounds like you're in a fine upscale hotel. Hopefully you won't have a car so you won't have to deal with the confiscatory parking fees in downtown Boston. The hop-on hop-off bus tours are nice, and there are a couple of different ones. Lots of history and lots of good food (and drink).
When I was traveling to Boston weekly last year I stayed at the Hilton Fanueil Hall. Highly recommend the Bostonia Public House. Good atmosphere and a good lobster roll as well.
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I have a conference in Boston from October 15th through 17th. I'm staying at the Hyatt Regency Boston...looks to be a few blocks away from Faneuil Hall. If anyone here is from Boston or knows the area any recommendations for restaurants in that general area?
I love Boston. It's my favorite city (I don't care much for the baseball team). The freedom trail, the holocaust memorial, the north end has amazing Italian food. I'm with @cdnpinhead and would shy away from Legal Seafoods.
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WOW. So this was Stage III with the little "+" after it. I should have looked at the rear tires to see if they were bald from all the super acceleration. More than I need to get from home to Kroger (1/2 mile and one stop sign with 25/35 speed limit. LOL
This is not factory but aftermarket added with stickers for the trunk lid.
I'm not a fan of the gasoline 4s either, but they are here to stay - now the standard engine on a 5er/E/A6. A diesel would be preferred for that cylinder count and displacement, at least for me. The market doesn't seem to care though.
Agreed - we are close enough to take the light rail down town on the weekends for movies and what not. The Cinerama is a pretty amazing theater - I guess that is one of Paul Allen's hobbies!
Back to cars a bit - neighbor just bought a Q5. A very lovely car, but I am not sold on high output turbo 4 cylinder engines, especially in luxury cars.
I'm not a fan of the gasoline 4s either, but they are here to stay - now the standard engine on a 5er/E/A6. A diesel would be preferred for that cylinder count and displacement, at least for me. The market doesn't seem to care though.
that is because the market has no choice.
in any case, many manufacturers have been wringing out big performance from boosted 4 and 5 cylinders for decades. The tech and experience is there and well proven.
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Living in Bellevue, I go into the city just a few times a year now. There's very little over there I need enough to want to make me brave the traffic or deal with transit times, as almost everything can be had in Bellevue now. Of course, Bellevue traffic is a zoo too just like Issaquah, but at least it is closer.
I despise driving into Seattle and take the bus when necessary. Issaquah traffic is out of control now!
Agreed - we are close enough to take the light rail down town on the weekends for movies and what not. The Cinerama is a pretty amazing theater - I guess that is one of Paul Allen's hobbies!
Back to cars a bit - neighbor just bought a Q5. A very lovely car, but I am not sold on high output turbo 4 cylinder engines, especially in luxury cars.
I wasn't like you. But after having had my wife's X1 for almost 8 months, I can tell you that done properly and paired with a good transmission, it's awesome.
I hear you, and I rented a 328i with that same motor, it is great to drive, I just wonder about how it holds up over time. A lot of performance is being wrung out of relatively small motor.
I know technology has improved immensely, perhaps this generation of 4 cylinder turbos will be better
The 2.3 four in my modded MS3 was making close to 300 hp. When I traded it at 158,000 miles it was still running great- and used oil analysis also verified the engine's excellent condition.
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A generation ago, Saab was pilloried for offering 4-cylinder turbos in their luxury cars. Now, it's the norm.
CAFE standards are likely pushing the manufacturers into putting these small turbo engines into their cars. I would have also thought we'd see more diesels, but I suspect VW has almost killed the market in the US.
A generation ago, Saab was pilloried for offering 4-cylinder turbos in their luxury cars. Now, it's the norm.
CAFE standards are likely pushing the manufacturers into putting these small turbo engines into their cars. I would have also thought we'd see more diesels, but I suspect VW has almost killed the market in the US.
Funny you say that. I distinctly remember going to the Philly auto show with my Dad and listening to him talk to the Saab reps. He asked when they were going to bring a turbo 6 into the 9-5 Aero. They said "never" because they were all in on Turbo 4s.
My Dad walked away saying he'd probably never buy a Saab. Go figure they were about a decade ahead of their time.
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A generation ago, Saab was pilloried for offering 4-cylinder turbos in their luxury cars. Now, it's the norm.
CAFE standards are likely pushing the manufacturers into putting these small turbo engines into their cars. I would have also thought we'd see more diesels, but I suspect VW has almost killed the market in the US.
Funny you say that. I distinctly remember going to the Philly auto show with my Dad and listening to him talk to the Saab reps. He asked when they were going to bring a turbo 6 into the 9-5 Aero. They said "never" because they were all in on Turbo 4s.
My Dad walked away saying he'd probably never buy a Saab. Go figure they were about a decade ahead of their time.
Exactly - there are likely a lot of ex-Saab executives in Sweden kicking themselves because the market wasn't ready for what they were selling.
Now, if you don't offer a 2.0T in your entry level luxury sedan, you're behind the times.
Audi Alfa BMW Cadillac Genesis (new G70) Infiniti Jaguar (well, 2.5T) Lexus Lincoln Mercedes Benz Volvo
Only Acura doesn't have a small turbo engine in their lineup.
Acura probably moves to the turbo motor soon. I bet the next version of the RDX gets it again (1st generation did), and the ILX if they redo that model.
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I saw an ad for a local Ford dealer offering an $89/mo 24 month lease on a Fusion. A stripper no doubt and super low 10,500 miles a year. I could live with that milage. Interesting. Then I looked at the fine print.
$3,000 down, acquisition fee and an extra $1,000 if you wern't coming off another lease. Just the money down would be more than the $89/mo. Throw in those fees, sales tax and shenanigans with the money factor and you could end up paying 3X the advertized rate.
Why do they make it so difficult?
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Took the Encore in for its 25k service this morning and happened to park next to this.
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That lead to the thought that an autonomous vehicle needs a specific destination.
Doesn't sound good.
It's a shame some movie theaters don't care how good their sound system is working. You pay $12 for a ticket, you should get some good sound quality to go with the overpriced popcorn.
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Now they just need a decent movie to make that sound system worthwhile. :@
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I'm ashamed to admit how much money I have tied up in my main home theater but it's north of $12,000 if I started to tally it up....just in hardware. Is it worth it? To me it is. But, I have a lot of SACD, DVD-Audio/DTS audio only disks, Blu Rays...both movies and concerts, have bought a few 4K discs. Then, I have my analog system there with my turntable set up. There is more 4K content over the streaming services available and they look and sound fantastic.
It's a hobby....and I get a lot of enjoyment out of it. I don't hang around in bars, or am a fisherman/hunter, etc. So, I kind of view it as my entertainment budget put to use.
Back to cars a bit - neighbor just bought a Q5. A very lovely car, but I am not sold on high output turbo 4 cylinder engines, especially in luxury cars.
I have heard good things about Taranta.
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I hear you, and I rented a 328i with that same motor, it is great to drive, I just wonder about how it holds up over time. A lot of performance is being wrung out of relatively small motor.
I know technology has improved immensely, perhaps this generation of 4 cylinder turbos will be better
There is a Legal Seafood near Faneuil Hall.
If you get a chance try to go on a Duck Tour.
Too bad, Head of the Charles is the next weekend.
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I'm not a local, so can give no specific recommendations, but have had excellent food in places that I can't remember in the area you're talking about and enjoyed following the Freedom Trail, which is free (other than the mobs of people who are all also following it). Sounds like you're in a fine upscale hotel. Hopefully you won't have a car so you won't have to deal with the confiscatory parking fees in downtown Boston. The hop-on hop-off bus tours are nice, and there are a couple of different ones. Lots of history and lots of good food (and drink).
Have fun.
Boston weekly last year I stayed at the Hilton Fanueil Hall. Highly recommend the Bostonia Public House. Good atmosphere and a good lobster roll as well.
I saw a TTS parked at ChickFilA on my way back from a cruise in. On the right side of
the trunk was APR Stage III+ in chrome lettering.
What's the APR (annual percentage rate?)?
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Great business name, by the way.
They are really cranking on that engine--I hope they have their engineering in order and owners are using the right fuel.
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This is not factory but aftermarket added with stickers for the trunk lid.
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I saw on TV the other day where Engine Masters juiced up a stock Chevy 305 with nitrous and got up to around 600 HP. But then it blew up.
in any case, many manufacturers have been wringing out big performance from boosted 4 and 5 cylinders for decades. The tech and experience is there and well proven.
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I know technology has improved immensely, perhaps this generation of 4 cylinder turbos will be better
The 2.3 four in my modded MS3 was making close to 300 hp. When I traded it at 158,000 miles it was still running great- and used oil analysis also verified the engine's excellent condition.
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CAFE standards are likely pushing the manufacturers into putting these small turbo engines into their cars. I would have also thought we'd see more diesels, but I suspect VW has almost killed the market in the US.
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My Dad walked away saying he'd probably never buy a Saab. Go figure they were about a decade ahead of their time.
My Dad walked away saying he'd probably never buy a Saab. Go figure they were about a decade ahead of their time.
Exactly - there are likely a lot of ex-Saab executives in Sweden kicking themselves because the market wasn't ready for what they were selling.
Now, if you don't offer a 2.0T in your entry level luxury sedan, you're behind the times.
Audi
Alfa
BMW
Cadillac
Genesis (new G70)
Infiniti
Jaguar (well, 2.5T)
Lexus
Lincoln
Mercedes Benz
Volvo
Only Acura doesn't have a small turbo engine in their lineup.
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