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fintail

The stance movement is definitely a thing. Think vape pens, flat brimmed hats, energy drink addiction, etc too. Nothing says cool like broken-looking suspension, lots of stickers, and stretched tires with a 300 mile lifespan.

Michaell

fintail said:

The stance movement is definitely a thing. Think vape pens, flat brimmed hats, energy drink addiction, etc too. Nothing says cool like broken-looking suspension, lots of stickers, and stretched tires with a 300 mile lifespan.

And I'm sure our grandparents weren't sure what to make of their kids "hot rodding" their cars back in the 50's - "Why do you need such wide wheels in the back?". And - "Where's the hood - do you want to have the engine exposed?"

I think the automotive enthusiast world is big enough for all different points of view.

Growing up in SoCal, "low riders" were a huge point of pride in the Mexican community - tiny chrome wire wheels, hydraulics to move the car up and down, and elaborate paint jobs with detailed pinstriping were the rage. Generally used 60's Chevrolets. I didn't understand it when I was younger; now I appreciate the love these owners have for their cars, just like any enthusiast.

The "stance" world is simply another point of view.

fintail

At least from my experience, I have seen better workmanship in lowriders and hoodless hot rods than in many local stanced cars. Some of these things appear legitimately unsafe. No doubt they are more of a thing in areas without inspections. And I won't get started on the stickers

Funny thing, when I was a little kid, I "got" lowriders, and appreciated the style.

It's a point of view, indeed.

Michaell said:

fintail said:

The stance movement is definitely a thing. Think vape pens, flat brimmed hats, energy drink addiction, etc too. Nothing says cool like broken-looking suspension, lots of stickers, and stretched tires with a 300 mile lifespan.

And I'm sure our grandparents weren't sure what to make of their kids "hot rodding" their cars back in the 50's - "Why do you need such wide wheels in the back?". And - "Where's the hood - do you want to have the engine exposed?"

I think the automotive enthusiast world is big enough for all different points of view.

Growing up in SoCal, "low riders" were a huge point of pride in the Mexican community - tiny chrome wire wheels, hydraulics to move the car up and down, and elaborate paint jobs with detailed pinstriping were the rage. Generally used 60's Chevrolets. I didn't understand it when I was younger; now I appreciate the love these owners have for their cars, just like any enthusiast.

The "stance" world is simply another point of view.

roadburner

I blew things up on a Facebook page when I posted:

"If the degrees of negative camber in your suspension are higher than your IQ, then you might just be a Stance Ricer"

graphicguy

Was going to post this last night, but became too busy.

One of my son's friends just got a "real" job (after college sort of bounced around at low level jobs). He liked my TLX, but can't quite swing one the way mine is equipped.

Called my Acura guy and he said they had some base model '17s left over that they were using as service demos. But, they're ready to sell them.

Went last night to look at one. Sales person tossed us the keys and off we went. He drove first, then asked me to drive for impressions.

Get this out of the way first, the MSRP on the sticker in the glove box was $34K....or about $10K less than mine was. That's a hefty difference. So, what don't you get for $10K less?

-Vinyl regular seats instead of leather Murano (whatever that is) sports seats
-Base stereo instead of the sterling ELS stereo
-4 cyl instead of the 6 Cyl
-FWD vs SH AWD with Torque Vectoring
-17" wheels tires vs 19"
-8 speed Honda trans vs 9 speed ZF trans
-NO NAv or Car Play
-no fog lamps or LCD tail lamps (but it still had the LED headlamps)
-no safety tech (lane keep, accident avoidance, semi-autonomous driving, etc)
-no color LCD panel
-less sound deadening

How does that translate? Well, it's not a fast car, but it is feisty. You have to really wring out the 4 Cyl to get speed, but the motor and the trans is smooth. The steering was light. Not a ton of grip (probably wheel and tire related). Not nearly as comfortable (sports seats are great in the A-Spec). Can't corner nearly as well as the SH AWD w/torque vectoring). Stereo would have been right at home in an Accord.

Still, it felt premium and handled well. It liked to be flogged and felt light on its feet without the SH AWD mine has. It was build every bit as well as mine, just with lesser material quality everywhere.

It had 4K miles on it and still looked/smelled new. My son's friend liked it. It told him I thought low-mid $20s was the number he should offer. At that price, it's a steal.

But, I also told him to see if he could score a deal on a NEW leftover Accord....as the drive would be similar.

Not sure which direction he's going to go, but he was clearly smitten by the TLX.

Mr_Shiftright

Michaell said:

fintail said:

The stance movement is definitely a thing. Think vape pens, flat brimmed hats, energy drink addiction, etc too. Nothing says cool like broken-looking suspension, lots of stickers, and stretched tires with a 300 mile lifespan.

And I'm sure our grandparents weren't sure what to make of their kids "hot rodding" their cars back in the 50's - "Why do you need such wide wheels in the back?". And - "Where's the hood - do you want to have the engine exposed?"

I think the automotive enthusiast world is big enough for all different points of view.

Growing up in SoCal, "low riders" were a huge point of pride in the Mexican community - tiny chrome wire wheels, hydraulics to move the car up and down, and elaborate paint jobs with detailed pinstriping were the rage. Generally used 60's Chevrolets. I didn't understand it when I was younger; now I appreciate the love these owners have for their cars, just like any enthusiast.

The "stance" world is simply another point of view.

I think there's a difference there. The original hot-rods took a rather dumpy and often wrecked or abandoned stock car and made it better. Today lots of people are taking a rather nice and highly competent stock car and making it worse.

ab348

But they can spin in a 360 degree circle like nobody's business!

Mr_Shiftright

Oh, great. Is a circus elephant thus improved over the wild one?

roadburner

Mr_Shiftright said:

Oh, great. Is a circus elephant thus improved over the wild one?

That's what has always bothered me about the stance(and other) trends; they make the car slower and less functional.

abacomike

Just received a fairly heavy package from one of my dear old friends.  I opened the box and to my surprise there were two bottles of "Glenliven 15" single malt Scotch.  I've never tasted that brand of scotch before.  My friend knows I like bourbon so I called him to find out why he sent the gifts and why scotch.  He said it was for my birthday (next month) and he told me he fell in love with this particular brand.  He said it was smooth and delightful.

I thanked him and now I can't wait until this evening to open a bottle and give it a shot (pun intended)!  

qbrozen

oldfarmer50 said:

I've seen a few BMWs like that and wondered the same thing. Also the cambre on the wheels must wear the tires real fast. Does that do something for tracking?

Yes, the inside edges wear VERY fast. Cords will be showing on the inside with the outside edge looks brand new. If they aren't directional, I suppose you could flip them and at least get a bit more life, but nowhere near a reasonable amount.

Does it do something for tracking? Yes, it gives the impression you are driving on ice. You'd have just a fraction of the tire's footprint making contact with the road.

"Stancing" a car is kind of like buying a new 4k TV and smearing vaseline all over the screen because the picture is just too damned clear.

andres3

fintail said:

Technically, most of these are garage queens, as they will never see anything near their potential.

I think debadging is more of a thing in Europe, where people want to disguise a base model. Not that it doesn't exist here, but it must be rarer. I think downbadging would be better - make an M3 a 320i, an M5 a 528i, etc,

andres3 said:

Well, I suppose there is that element. However, aren't those the garage queens that never get driven like they are meant to be?

Then you have the people that de-badge completely, so you don't know if you might be up against a huge V8 or a puny 4-banger at that stoplight.

And up-badging is certainly the worst!

Anyone that knows what an RS 4 should look like isn't going to be fooled by your A4 with an RS badge; Especially if you left the 2.0T on the back!

Contrasting Colored Side blades on a TT to make it look even more like an R8??? Okay, goals and aspirations

andres3

ab348 said:

fintail said:

I think debadging is more of a thing in Europe, where people want to disguise a base model. Not that it doesn't exist here, but it must be rarer.

It seems like all the young dudes over on the ATS forum debadge and dechrome all brightwork. Some of the results look pretty sad TBH.

Black badges/blacking out all chrome/bright work seems to be en Vogue right now in the Audi groups. Either painted/plasti-dipped, or whatever.

I used to be into Knight Rider... so I guess I can understand the all black thing. Heck, gold badges on Camry's used to be popular. Gold on Green paint. I was an A's fan.

andres3

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

The 370Z Nismo was on my short list until:
1. Car and Driver totalled one at VIR when the brakes went away
2. I learned that Nissan is one of those companies that advertises about how their hot models are "Track ready"- and then void the warranty if you take the car anywhere near a track.

Was that the Nismo? I remember C&D taking a 370z that was supose to be built to track and they burned the brakes out after a few runs.

Yes- at the 2009 Lightning Lap. At the time C/D referred to the Nismo as "the least track-worthy car we’ve ever tested at Lightning Lap."

Wouldn't that be something that better pads and Motul 600 fluid would help with though?

Even Audi is guilty of using pads and fluid that perhaps a large percentage of S4 owners will never discover is wholly inadequate. However, anyone that has tracked one with any skill level at all knows better. Pads too soft, brakes get too hot, overwhelms the system. Fluid and pads go a long way as the calipers and rotors are good.

Stainless steel brake lines should probably just become standard OEM equipment on sport models too.

andres3

graphicguy said:

Was going to post this last night, but became too busy.

One of my son's friends just got a "real" job (after college sort of bounced around at low level jobs). He liked my TLX, but can't quite swing one the way mine is equipped.

Called my Acura guy and he said they had some base model '17s left over that they were using as service demos. But, they're ready to sell them.

Went last night to look at one. Sales person tossed us the keys and off we went. He drove first, then asked me to drive for impressions.

Get this out of the way first, the MSRP on the sticker in the glove box was $34K....or about $10K less than mine was. That's a hefty difference. So, what don't you get for $10K less?

-Vinyl regular seats instead of leather Murano (whatever that is) sports seats
-Base stereo instead of the sterling ELS stereo
-4 cyl instead of the 6 Cyl
-FWD vs SH AWD with Torque Vectoring
-17" wheels tires vs 19"
-8 speed Honda trans vs 9 speed ZF trans
-NO NAv or Car Play
-no fog lamps or LCD tail lamps (but it still had the LED headlamps)
-no safety tech (lane keep, accident avoidance, semi-autonomous driving, etc)
-no color LCD panel
-less sound deadening

How does that translate? Well, it's not a fast car, but it is feisty. You have to really wring out the 4 Cyl to get speed, but the motor and the trans is smooth. The steering was light. Not a ton of grip (probably wheel and tire related). Not nearly as comfortable (sports seats are great in the A-Spec). Can't corner nearly as well as the SH AWD w/torque vectoring). Stereo would have been right at home in an Accord.

Still, it felt premium and handled well. It liked to be flogged and felt light on its feet without the SH AWD mine has. It was build every bit as well as mine, just with lesser material quality everywhere.

It had 4K miles on it and still looked/smelled new. My son's friend liked it. It told him I thought low-mid $20s was the number he should offer. At that price, it's a steal.

But, I also told him to see if he could score a deal on a NEW leftover Accord....as the drive would be similar.

Not sure which direction he's going to go, but he was clearly smitten by the TLX.

When you put it that way, it seems that the $10K is money extremely well spent! I know which one I'd want.

If I had to spend less, I'd go for the Accord V6 or soon to be 2.0T Accord.

andres3

qbrozen said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I've seen a few BMWs like that and wondered the same thing. Also the cambre on the wheels must wear the tires real fast. Does that do something for tracking?

Yes, the inside edges wear VERY fast. Cords will be showing on the inside with the outside edge looks brand new. If they aren't directional, I suppose you could flip them and at least get a bit more life, but nowhere near a reasonable amount.

Does it do something for tracking? Yes, it gives the impression you are driving on ice. You'd have just a fraction of the tire's footprint making contact with the road.

"Stancing" a car is kind of like buying a new 4k TV and smearing vaseline all over the screen because the picture is just too damned clear.

I like my idea of putting 4 spare tire donut/Frisbee on an Audi, and turning a AWD Audi into a smoke-out burnout monster better than "stancing."

driver100

graphicguy said:

Was going to post this last night, but became too busy.

One of my son's friends just got a "real" job (after college sort of bounced around at low level jobs). He liked my TLX, but can't quite swing one the way mine is equipped.

But, I also told him to see if he could score a deal on a NEW leftover Accord....as the drive would be similar.

Not sure which direction he's going to go, but he was clearly smitten by the TLX.

GG, Young guy, good new job, first nice new car.....I don't think the Accord will suit him. Too much of a family hauler.
I was interested in the difference $10000 can make to the same model....all that extra content in yours makes it a much more desirable purchase.
Maybe he would get one more like yours in another few weeks or if he looks around. Other than that he may as well go for one like the one he drove. It sounds like a nice start and it will be a good reliable car he won't get tired of too fast.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

Was going to post this last night, but became too busy.

One of my son's friends just got a "real" job (after college sort of bounced around at low level jobs). He liked my TLX, but can't quite swing one the way mine is equipped.

Called my Acura guy and he said they had some base model '17s left over that they were using as service demos. But, they're ready to sell them.

Went last night to look at one. Sales person tossed us the keys and off we went. He drove first, then asked me to drive for impressions.

Get this out of the way first, the MSRP on the sticker in the glove box was $34K....or about $10K less than mine was. That's a hefty difference. So, what don't you get for $10K less?

-Vinyl regular seats instead of leather Murano (whatever that is) sports seats
-Base stereo instead of the sterling ELS stereo
-4 cyl instead of the 6 Cyl
-FWD vs SH AWD with Torque Vectoring
-17" wheels tires vs 19"
-8 speed Honda trans vs 9 speed ZF trans
-NO NAv or Car Play
-no fog lamps or LCD tail lamps (but it still had the LED headlamps)
-no safety tech (lane keep, accident avoidance, semi-autonomous driving, etc)
-no color LCD panel
-less sound deadening

How does that translate? Well, it's not a fast car, but it is feisty. You have to really wring out the 4 Cyl to get speed, but the motor and the trans is smooth. The steering was light. Not a ton of grip (probably wheel and tire related). Not nearly as comfortable (sports seats are great in the A-Spec). Can't corner nearly as well as the SH AWD w/torque vectoring). Stereo would have been right at home in an Accord.

Still, it felt premium and handled well. It liked to be flogged and felt light on its feet without the SH AWD mine has. It was build every bit as well as mine, just with lesser material quality everywhere.

It had 4K miles on it and still looked/smelled new. My son's friend liked it. It told him I thought low-mid $20s was the number he should offer. At that price, it's a steal.

But, I also told him to see if he could score a deal on a NEW leftover Accord....as the drive would be similar.

Not sure which direction he's going to go, but he was clearly smitten by the TLX.

Except for the 4cyl. I could live with that car.

stickguy

I drove a 2017 4 cyl base, and 2018 V6 tech. The tech was certainly fancier, with more "stuff". And you really notice the difference in the engine. But, the 4 cyl did feel lighter,, and lower effort steering (not always a good thing). Still, if you can give up a little HP (it certainly was not slow), the base car is still a great package. And for the kid, at least $15K + tax cheaper, is a huge difference. Heck, it is to me too!

I never drove the SHAWD model, but would be fine with the FWD in my everyday sedan.

houdini1

oldfarmer50 said:

houdini1 said:

You younger folks won't remember this, of course, but I think the biggest development that improved the handling and driveability of cars happened back in the 1960's.

My folks bought me a brand new 1962 Comet, my sophomore year in college. For the times, it was a nice little car, but it would dip and dart all over the road. All cars did that back then, so you had to always be alert and careful. After a year or so the original bias ply tires were replaced with radial tires, which were new to the market. All the dipping and darting went away over night. The improvement was amazing.

Interesting. I know when we bought the 74 Charger I had the dealer swap out the OE bias plys for radials. As I recall that was a bold move for the time so I'm suprised radials were around that long.

As I recall, it could have been a couple of years later, maybe 65 or 66 before those tires were replaced. I know they were hard to find. I think they were Michelins, but not sure.

stickguy

the good old days, of driving my Duster with bald bias ply snows on the back. And drum brakes up front.. manual steering.

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I've seen a few BMWs like that and wondered the same thing. Also the cambre on the wheels must wear the tires real fast. Does that do something for tracking?

Yes, the inside edges wear VERY fast. Cords will be showing on the inside with the outside edge looks brand new. If they aren't directional, I suppose you could flip them and at least get a bit more life, but nowhere near a reasonable amount.

Does it do something for tracking? Yes, it gives the impression you are driving on ice. You'd have just a fraction of the tire's footprint making contact with the road.

"Stancing" a car is kind of like buying a new 4k TV and smearing vaseline all over the screen because the picture is just too damned clear.

So it just makes you skid? Why not put on bicycle wheels if you want to spin out?

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

the good old days, of driving my Duster with bald bias ply snows on the back. And drum brakes up front.. manual steering.

Except for power steering, been there, done that. It's amazing how invulnerable we were back then.

But back then if you hadn't ruined the tread on snow tires doing burn outs you were mocked by your friends.

berri

I remember that customizing cars was popular back in the 50's. More than a few '49 era Mercury's with those moon whatever disc wheel covers and sometimes painted designs on them. I think the 60's became more about racing (one area where the downsized 62 Mopars were popular).

graphicguy

TLX 4 Cyl and the TLX SH AWD A-Spec seemed to be different cars. Mine's an '18 and the 4 cal was a '17, but they drove a lot different. 4 cyl seems too little for the TLX. Yes, it was fun to keep the RPMs up to get it going, but I think that might become tiring. Did a brief interstate run. Getting it up to speed had me wanting to floor it. Once it was up to speed it wasn't bad, though.

Jumped back in my car and immediately could feel the speed and handling dynamic differences, even in the suspension. It just felt more.....ummm....for lack of a better term, substantial and dynamic.

Still.....if he can buy it right, the base TLX is still a nice car. Even though the seats weren't the sport seats or had leather, they were probably better than 95% of the seats in the myriad of rentals I've driven.

Drivetrain a feature wise, you can tell where Acura wants to be with the base TLX....focused on the lower end 320i, the FWD A4, the IS 200, Infiniti Q2.0, Mercedes CLA. Not bad company to be in.

stickguy

GG, a fair summary. You do get something for your money, and he V6 did drive "heavier", or more substantial. I would be interested in your take on the V6 FWD model too.

qbrozen

oldfarmer50 said:

So it just makes you skid? Why not put on bicycle wheels if you want to spin out?

Oh, because that is not the GOAL. The goal is just the appearance because they think it looks cool. Heck, I think most like that probably aren't even driven much, let alone tracked.

roadburner

A good friend let me have some seat time in his 700 hp Lingenfelter CTS-V. It does burnouts REAL good...

oldfarmer50

andres3 said:

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

The 370Z Nismo was on my short list until:
1. Car and Driver totalled one at VIR when the brakes went away
2. I learned that Nissan is one of those companies that advertises about how their hot models are "Track ready"- and then void the warranty if you take the car anywhere near a track.

Was that the Nismo? I remember C&D taking a 370z that was supose to be built to track and they burned the brakes out after a few runs.

Yes- at the 2009 Lightning Lap. At the time C/D referred to the Nismo as "the least track-worthy car we’ve ever tested at Lightning Lap."

Wouldn't that be something that better pads and Motul 600 fluid would help with though?

Even Audi is guilty of using pads and fluid that perhaps a large percentage of S4 owners will never discover is wholly inadequate. However, anyone that has tracked one with any skill level at all knows better. Pads too soft, brakes get too hot, overwhelms the system. Fluid and pads go a long way as the calipers and rotors are good.

Stainless steel brake lines should probably just become standard OEM equipment on sport models too.

SS brake lines would be good for salt areas. I don't know how many older cars on CL say "may need a brake line". Most cars in the northeast eventually need all brake and gas lines replaced.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

A good friend let me have some seat time in his 700 hp Lingenfelter CTS-V. It does burnouts REAL good...

you owe him a set of tires!

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

A good friend let me have some seat time in his 700 hp Lingenfelter CTS-V. It does burnouts REAL good...

you owe him a set of tires!

He actually asked me to do it. The rear tires were drag radials and it still roasted them. I could have easily smoked them another few hundred feet but I backed off. 

tbirdmarco

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mxtk0awFR4k

fintail

Gold trim is one that didn't become passe fast enough. Although it had a brief flash in the 50s, it became a real fad in the late 80s, first on high end Euros in the Sir Mix-A-Lot fashion, then on everything Toyota and Honda. By the turn of the century, I think 75% of Lexus production had gold trim. I remember a friend of mine's mom had a green Civic with gold trim, classy!

andres3 said:

I used to be into Knight Rider... so I guess I can understand the all black thing. Heck, gold badges on Camry's used to be popular. Gold on Green paint. I was an A's fan.

fintail

The radial tires talk reminds me of a story from a professor when I was in school about 20 years ago. Around 1970, he went shopping for a new car - he had his eye on a Volvo, but fell in love with MB, and bought the most basic gasoline model (a 230, he remembered the model, which gave credibility in my eyes). This car had radial tires, when such a thing was still uncommon. He said people would point out that his tires were low, not knowing how radials kind of sit different from bias ply.

houdini1 said:

As I recall, it could have been a couple of years later, maybe 65 or 66 before those tires were replaced. I know they were hard to find. I think they were Michelins, but not sure.

stickguy

I remember that issue from back in the old days. Man how things change. Now sidewalls are so skinny on most cars, flat and full look pretty much the same!

abacomike

stickguy said:

I remember that issue from back in the old days. Man how things change. Now sidewalls are so skinny on most cars, flat and full look pretty much the same!

I agree that sidewalls are so much shorter and  narrower on summer performance tires - but on run-flats, it's very different.  Sidewalls are significantly higher as well as firmer.  The ride on run-flats is harsher than on all-season tires, but softer than summer performance tires.

sda

I remember dad needing to replace the tires on his '71 Catalina 2dr hardtop company car. I suggested and dad agreed to buying Sears radials which were made by Michelin. When dad took the car for tires they didn't have them in stock and ended up with glass belted bias ply double stripe white walls. I was bummed.

abacomike

abacomike said:

Just received a fairly heavy package from one of my dear old friends.  I opened the box and to my surprise there were two bottles of "Glenliven 15" single malt Scotch.  I've never tasted that brand of scotch before.  My friend knows I like bourbon so I called him to find out why he sent the gifts and why scotch.  He said it was for my birthday (next month) and he told me he fell in love with this particular brand.  He said it was smooth and delightful.

I thanked him and now I can't wait until this evening to open a bottle and give it a shot (pun intended)!  

Update - great scotch!  I am not a scotch lover - but I can be cajoled with a scotch like Glenlivet.  Smoooooooth!!!

tjc78

Isn't it Glenlivet?  Never had the 15 but even the 12 is pretty good stuff.  

ab348

I like Glenlivet. Even their no-age-statement "Founders Reserve" is quite pleasant. Some years ago I had a bottle of the 21 y-o "Archive" stuff. Just lovely.

venture

Someone mentioned pollen and a black car. Maybe I will avoid parking here.

driver100

So that is why people buy that beigy tan kind of color!

oldfarmer50

venture said:

Someone mentioned pollen and a black car. Maybe I will avoid parking here.

Maybe buy this color instead.



What is that stuff? Looks too coarse to be pollen.

stickguy

Little tiny leaves of some sort

graphicguy

stickguy said:

GG, a fair summary. You do get something for your money, and he V6 did drive "heavier", or more substantial. I would be interested in your take on the V6 FWD model too.

Stick....I drove an ‘18 TLX V6 with Tech when I first bought mine. They hadn’t done a PDI yet and it had all the plastic inside they had to clean up. They told me to take the Tech for the day until they had mine finished (they know how to lock you in once you give them the go ahead....

This was a few months ago, but my impressions where the V6 Tech had some of the goodies of the ASPEC, like the ELS stereo (worth the price of admission just for that), leather, NAV, CarPlay/Android, etc. I like the sports seats in mine better, but I’m sure that’s a matter of taste.

It was fast. Some FWD Understeer was noticeable. It was quieter than my car, but I think that’s by design as the Tech had smaller wheels and tires (17”?). Mine snarls and growls more, but is still very smooth. It had a more compliant ride, but didn’t handle as sharply as mine, which has different spring rates and thicker Anti-roll bars. I suspect the geometry set up is different, too.

Mine is sharper handling and “seems” quicker, but don’t know why given the drivetrain is the same. Maybe transmission mapping is different?

All that said, if you’re in the market for a nice luxo cruiser with a decent amount of sport thrown in, the TLX Tech with V6 is pretty compelling at the price.

I obviously like the redesign, and think it looks really good. But, Acura has never been about the “style” of their cars.

stickguy

Thanks. Seems logical.

Michaell

A couple weeks ago I relayed the story of one of my instructors who lives in Orlando and the prep and aftermath of Irma.

Yesterday, as I sat down for lunch, I get a text message from another one of my instructors who lives in Mexico City, telling me about the earthquake there. This was just a few minutes after it struck. We've been in contact off and on throughout the day yesterday and again today.

He is OK, but there are pretty regular utility outages in his neighborhood. He has everything he needs, but is planning to go out and obtain batteries and medicine for those less fortunate. He has described the scene as "a war zone".

My heart goes out to all those affected by these natural disasters.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

stickguy said:

GG, a fair summary. You do get something for your money, and he V6 did drive "heavier", or more substantial. I would be interested in your take on the V6 FWD model too.

Stick....I drove an ‘18 TLX V6 with Tech when I first bought mine. They hadn’t done a PDI yet and it had all the plastic inside they had to clean up. They told me to take the Tech for the day until they had mine finished (they know how to lock you in once you give them the go ahead....

So they let you take a car that would later be sold to someone else? How would they explain the extra milage? Do they roll back the odo or disconnect it? What if you drove it 500 miles?

My Ford had 12 miles on it when I took delivery, 9 of them by me. My previous two new cars were dealer trades and the milage matched the point of origin. I'd be really upset if a new car I bought had been loaned out.

Or am I misunderstanding what you said?

oldfarmer50

How would you like to get pulled over by this cop on the highway?:



Not yet but it's coming.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/20/16338064/robot-security-guard-knightscope-k7

Now will it also pull over your autonomous car out running errands for you or will it cut it's buddy a break?

fintail

It can't apprehend and doesn't appear to be made for highway use - bring it on

Orwell is watching these late developments and either laughing his rear end off, or sobbing.