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abacomike

Well, I just received my statement from the Social Security Administration advising me of my benefit(s) effective January 1, 2018. There was an increase of 2% over 2017, but my monthly benefit only went up $4.00 - it seems that the Congress approved an increase in the Medicare Insurance charge back on the monthly Social Security Benefit of $26.00, or about 99% of the 2% increase. Thus, I will have $4.00 more per month to "splurge" on in my retirement years.

Ahhhhhh, yes, God bless our government - one hand giveth and the other hand taketh away. Why didn't they just say, "...no increase in benefits this year for Social Security recipients." Then, behind the scenes, just take any increase they were thinking of giving retired folks and dump it right into the Medicare Trust Fund. Why get all our hopes up and then just take it away? They are "sadistic" - and I'm being kind!

driver100

How come they can get a man to the moon but they can't make a black box that can easily be located?

suydam

abacomike said:

I ordered a large poinsietta to be delivered by Avas flowers this past Sunday for delivery in LaQuinta CA this past Monday.  I received an email stating the poinsietta was delivered at 4:30 PM PST.  

The next day (Tuesday) I had not heard from my son’s SO, which surprised me - she always acknowledges gifts and flowers I send her.  So I called her and she said she never got a deliver of a poinsietta plant.  This was at 5:30 PM EST yesterday.  She said she never got a phone call to schedule a delivery like I told Avas Flowers.

So I called them wanting to know why they sent me an email that the delivery was, in fact, completed as required, and that my don’s Significant other still has not received the poinsietta.  I further told them that she was home all day Monday and Tuesday.  Their response was that they needed to contact the florist in CA to find out what happened.  I said I wanted a refund and I told them to cancel the order.  They refused stating the would look into it.

So I called AMEX and had the $90 charge reversed.  I again called Avas Flowers (they are like FTD) and told them I refuse to pay for something I never received - in this case an order to deliver a poinsietta on Monday.  I informed them I had AMEX reverse the charge and that they lost me as a customer.

I subsequently found out that florists frequently send the floral company confirmation of delivery before the delivery is made in order to collect the funds due for an order quickly.

So last night I contacted a florist in Palm Desert directly and ordered the poinsietta plant for delivery today and sent my son’s SO the name of the florist and their phone number.  I ended up getting a poinsietta twice the size of the one previously ordered at the same price and did not have to pay the expensive fees.

What I’ve learned from this experience is that online florists are undependable and frequently lie about deliveries and that I will contact s local florist directly when I send flowers or plants.  It was a pathetic experience with this company.  

This is why I never use those types of companies but always call a local florist.

dino001

abacomike said:

Ahhhhhh, yes, God bless our government - one hand giveth and the other hand taketh away. Why didn't they just say, "...no increase in benefits this year for Social Security recipients." Then, behind the scenes, just take any increase they were thinking of giving retired folks and dump it right into the Medicare Trust Fund. Why get all our hopes up and then just take it away? They are "sadistic" - and I'm being kind!

There is a reason - with zero COLA (cost of living adjustment), which was the case several previous years in the past, they couldn't increase other items, such as SS maximum annual wage (level at which the tax drops off) - it is tied to both cost of living and incomes, (which means it generally grows a bit faster than the benefits themselves), but it cannot be imposed for a year that there was no increase of the benefits, however small. I'm sure the feel of being back-slapped by this is just an unfortunate side effect. I happen to know this, cause my annual salary is almost exactly at the level give or take couple of thousands. My last paycheck previous year was larger (no SS tax, just Medicare), but this year it likely won't, as the cap was increased more than my salary, as it needed to make up for two (or even three, don't know exactly) years of no increases due to frozen benefits.

houdini1

The only thing that will fix most of this blatant corruption and wasteful spending is term limits for Senators and Congressmen. Most of them go in broke and in 10 years they are multi-millionaires.

suydam

Then they will totally be bought and paid for by large donors, and won’t care what they do because they’ll never have to live with the consequences.

thebean

houdini1 said:

The only thing that will fix most of this blatant corruption and wasteful spending is term limits for Senators and Congressmen. Most of them go in broke and in 10 years they are multi-millionaires.

This. Yes, yes, yes. I believe the founding fathers would be really hacked off at the notion of "politician" as a lifetime job. Two terms for senators and three terms for representatives sounds good to me. But, the chance of this is less than zero with with who has to propose/vote on a law of this type. :@

To keep this peripherally on a car topic, I've only seen one new Accord and two new Camrys in the wild in my area. Odd.

venture

pensfan83 said:

Got the email to re-up my Sirius XM subscription that expires in 3.5 weeks. 6 months for $30 and going with the invoice option that prevents automatically reupping at the regular rate and the stress that goes along with trying to cancel, I don't really see a downside.

That's sort of what I did the last time except they sent me an invoice. I mailed it back and wrote on the front and back in red ink - Do NOT automatically Renew.

They automatically renewed it and by the time they sent me a notice I had accrued a balance of a few dollars.

I am not continuing it with the Legacy when the free trial ends even though they have already offered the $99 a year deal. I'm done with them.

stickguy

I just got an email that my radio was coming up for auto renewal.. which seemed odd, since I shouldn’t have one now. Dug out m aperwork, and it’s for the sonata, that. Already called and had cancelled. So, looks like I will be calling them back on that one.

dino001

stickguy said:

I just got an email that my radio was coming up for auto renewal.. which seemed odd, since I shouldn’t have one now. Dug out m aperwork, and it’s for the sonata, that. Already called and had cancelled. So, looks like I will be calling them back on that one.

How can they get away with essentially dodging people's requests, pretending they never heard you wanted to cancel? It doesn't strike me as a great business model.

I need some education on this. I have XM/Sirius on my new 430i since June, so it will lapse next year. I have absolutely zero intention of renewing, at any rate. In normal world it should be they send me junk mail, I toss it, they send me more junk mail, I toss it, they send me a final notice, I toss it, my sat radio stops working. Or will it? Can I simply ignore their "final notices", or will they keep "providing" me service past the expiration then claim I injured them by not paying for what I didn't ask for, but they provided without my expressed consent?

fintail

Plenty of new Camrys in the Seattle area, but have seen only 2 Accords, I think

Regarding SS, don't grouse, just think how great it will be for those of us able to collect in 25-30 years. Oh wait...

ab348

dino001 said:

How can they get away with essentially dodging people's requests, pretending they never heard you wanted to cancel? It doesn't strike me as a great business model.

I need some education on this. I have XM/Sirius on my new 430i since June, so it will lapse next year. I have absolutely zero intention of renewing, at any rate. In normal world it should be they send me junk mail, I toss it, they send me more junk mail, I toss it, they send me a final notice, I toss it, my sat radio stops working. Or will it? Can I simply ignore their "final notices", or will they keep "providing" me service past the expiration then claim I injured them by not paying for what I didn't ask for, but they provided without my expressed consent?

It's not a great business model, for the customer. For them, it's great. Once they get a credit card on file they auto-renew at their highest possible rate, then you have to call and yell at them, and usually threaten to cancel, before they will reduce it. Then the next expiry date the same thing happens, rinse and repeat. You also have to call to cancel - they do not offer an option to do that online through the "My Account" page. They are an absolutely scummy company.

My 3-month trial should end this week sometime and there is zero chance of me renewing. Interestingly, though, I have gotten zero email or 1-800 calls from them so far. Maybe I fell through the cracks.

ab348

thebean said:

To keep this peripherally on a car topic, I've only seen one new Accord and two new Camrys in the wild in my area. Odd.

Remarkably, I have seen none of either. Yesterday I thought I had my first new Accord sighting when I saw a car up ahead in profile turn on to the road I was traveling on. But when I got closer I saw it was an Audi A7.

qbrozen

They have been harassing me nonstop, despite me unsubscribing to the emails. Someone finally called me today, and before she could even finish introducing herself, I told her I'm not interested and to never call me again.

They had gotten as low as $60 for 1 year in the solicitations I kept ignoring. I don't want it only for the hassle of renewing and/or canceling in the future. Same reason I will never have another Discover card.

suydam

dino001 said:

stickguy said:

I just got an email that my radio was coming up for auto renewal.. which seemed odd, since I shouldn’t have one now. Dug out m aperwork, and it’s for the sonata, that. Already called and had cancelled. So, looks like I will be calling them back on that one.

How can they get away with essentially dodging people's requests, pretending they never heard you wanted to cancel? It doesn't strike me as a great business model.

I need some education on this. I have XM/Sirius on my new 430i since June, so it will lapse next year. I have absolutely zero intention of renewing, at any rate. In normal world it should be they send me junk mail, I toss it, they send me more junk mail, I toss it, they send me a final notice, I toss it, my sat radio stops working. Or will it? Can I simply ignore their "final notices", or will they keep "providing" me service past the expiration then claim I injured them by not paying for what I didn't ask for, but they provided without my expressed consent?

They don’t send you anything. It’s on you to remember a year from now! Mark the expiration date on your calendar and call to cancel the day before.

driver100

suydam said:

dino001 said:

stickguy said:

I just got an email that my radio was coming up for auto renewal.. which seemed odd, since I shouldn’t have one now. Dug out m aperwork, and it’s for the sonata, that. Already called and had cancelled. So, looks like I will be calling them back on that one.

How can they get away with essentially dodging people's requests, pretending they never heard you wanted to cancel? It doesn't strike me as a great business model.

I need some education on this. I have XM/Sirius on my new 430i since June, so it will lapse next year. I have absolutely zero intention of renewing, at any rate. In normal world it should be they send me junk mail, I toss it, they send me more junk mail, I toss it, they send me a final notice, I toss it, my sat radio stops working. Or will it? Can I simply ignore their "final notices", or will they keep "providing" me service past the expiration then claim I injured them by not paying for what I didn't ask for, but they provided without my expressed consent?

They don’t send you anything. It’s on you to remember a year from now! Mark the expiration date on your calendar and call to cancel the day before.

Exactly.......I mark on my calendar one week before expiration. They tell me what it will be to renew....$250 a year or something. I say I want it at the same rate I have been getting or I am gone. They say, it's your lucky day, you called just in time......we will do it for the same rate.

If you do call note the time, date and person you were speaking to, in case you have to go to small claims court.
Then go and have a shower.

stickguy

Dino, I already cancelled the car and applied the credit. that was not a problem. Just called now to make sure, and agent confirmed that the radio is not on my account, and nothing shows due. So, in theory, this was just a right hand/left hand issue, but entirely possible something triggers in late January and I will be calling them back to yell at them.

I do get Emails well in advance, clearly laying out what is coming up for renewal, and the date. So hard to say you didn't know. And I must be in the minority around here. I really like having XM, and we always listen to it. So I can deal with customer service on occasion to get the product I want to have. My wife would smack me if I dropped it off her car.

Also, as to your question, you can pretty much just ignore them. Most likely after the trial period, they will just turn it off. And if they forget, free radio.

pensfan83

Under no circumstances would Sirius get a credit card. From everything I have read and heard they are worse than Comcast when it comes time to cancel.

However if they are going to give it to me for another 6 months for $30 I can live with that so long as I can do an invoice. In another six months if I don't renew and if they forget to turn it off and try to bill me for their own error, that's on them.

suydam

I like Sirius too, enough to put up with their scuzzy business model.

Mr_Shiftright

Michaell said:

I’m on pins and needles tonight. Big brush fire in the county I grew up in. I’ve got an elderly aunt close to the perimeter. Her and her son are still at the house, dealing with hot spots. I think she’s refusing to evacuate. Getting lots of pics from friends and family via FB - it’s in the town I used to work in, and inching closer to the ocean. 400 structures lost so far, but no injuries or deaths. 

Take it from someone who knows about wildfires--tell her to get the hell out of there. A fire like that can be on you faster than you could possibly imagine.

Mr_Shiftright

dino001 said:

ab348 said:

It is quite remarkable. You make some very good points. It is as if GM and Ford were still making the same front-engine, RWD carbureted pushrod V-8 Sedan that they made in 1961, just refined.

It's exactly like that. And guess what, until they went bankrupt (GM), or almost bankrupt (Ford), they were doing exactly that (well not carburated perhaps, but old pushrods with 4-speed old tech ATs were essentially present throughout their lineup up to 2010 or so).

Now, some people claim that we are on an edge of a true breakthrough in personal transportation, driven by maturing electric engine technology and rapidly developing autonomous driving. There are some very interesting consequences if such switch becomes true. I don't subscribe to the time line given by those people, but the fast evolution of the technology will pose pressure in many surprising areas.

Be careful what you wish for. I'm seeing the push to autonomous driving as just another way of data-mining your brain.

What's interesting about technology is that the "market" does not dictate what gets manufactured--the cost of making the object and making a profit on it dictates the level of technology you get.....or the level of any product you get.

explorerx4

Everyone better sit down. I have 5 Sirius subscriptions.
It is a pain to go through the renewal process, but it's just a 1st world problem, not real problem.

suydam

30 horses burned to death near Sylmar. Only time to get the people out. Awful.

tbirdmarco

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hpy7pOrMuA

isellhondas

Michaell said:

suydam said:

Are you talking about the Thomas Fire? It’s pretty bad. We lost power overnight and we are a whole county away. Lots of smoke here too. Praying for those folks.

Yes, the Thomas fire.

My mom lost power for a while - apparently, it was a planned outage - in Oxnard for a bit last night.

A friend told me that they are predicting the winds to die down a bit tomorrow, and I read a long update on FB where a whole bunch of reinforcements are due tomorrow, as well. Hoping they can make some headway on it.

The pictures I've seen from areas that I know very well from my childhood are, to put it mildly, disturbing.

Yeah, me too. Just horrible!

tbirdmarco

so sad whats going in Calafornia! praying for vthem all!

tbirdmarco

@abacomike boath me and my mom have had problems with that flower service best like you said to call local flowerest what I do now!

dino001

suydam said:

dino001 said:

stickguy said:

I just got an email that my radio was coming up for auto renewal.. which seemed odd, since I shouldn’t have one now. Dug out m aperwork, and it’s for the sonata, that. Already called and had cancelled. So, looks like I will be calling them back on that one.

How can they get away with essentially dodging people's requests, pretending they never heard you wanted to cancel? It doesn't strike me as a great business model.

I need some education on this. I have XM/Sirius on my new 430i since June, so it will lapse next year. I have absolutely zero intention of renewing, at any rate. In normal world it should be they send me junk mail, I toss it, they send me more junk mail, I toss it, they send me a final notice, I toss it, my sat radio stops working. Or will it? Can I simply ignore their "final notices", or will they keep "providing" me service past the expiration then claim I injured them by not paying for what I didn't ask for, but they provided without my expressed consent?

They don’t send you anything. It’s on you to remember a year from now! Mark the expiration date on your calendar and call to cancel the day before.

But they don't have my credit card number. I got it with the car.

tbirdmarco

agree with everyone should be big time term limits on these peapol in government!

tbirdmarco

and searius is slezy agree with everyone trying to keep up on this bord every day tuff tuff lollol did I miss anything!

Michaell

Shifty - she’s as stubborn as they come. Unless the winds shift 180 degrees, I don’t think her house is in danger. 

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

I ordered a large poinsietta to be delivered by Avas flowers this past Sunday for delivery in LaQuinta CA this past Monday.  I received an email stating the poinsietta was delivered at 4:30 PM PST.  

The next day (Tuesday) I had not heard from my son’s SO, which surprised me - she always acknowledges gifts and flowers I send her.  So I called her and she said she never got a deliver of a poinsietta plant.  This was at 5:30 PM EST yesterday.  She said she never got a phone call to schedule a delivery like I told Avas Flowers.

So I called them wanting to know why they sent me an email that the delivery was, in fact, completed as required, and that my don’s Significant other still has not received the poinsietta.  I further told them that she was home all day Monday and Tuesday.  Their response was that they needed to contact the florist in CA to find out what happened.  I said I wanted a refund and I told them to cancel the order.  They refused stating the would look into it.

So I called AMEX and had the $90 charge reversed.  I again called Avas Flowers (they are like FTD) and told them I refuse to pay for something I never received - in this case an order to deliver a poinsietta on Monday.  I informed them I had AMEX reverse the charge and that they lost me as a customer.

I subsequently found out that florists frequently send the floral company confirmation of delivery before the delivery is made in order to collect the funds due for an order quickly.

So last night I contacted a florist in Palm Desert directly and ordered the poinsietta plant for delivery today and sent my son’s SO the name of the florist and their phone number.  I ended up getting a poinsietta twice the size of the one previously ordered at the same price and did not have to pay the expensive fees.

What I’ve learned from this experience is that online florists are undependable and frequently lie about deliveries and that I will contact s local florist directly when I send flowers or plants.  It was a pathetic experience with this company.  

I once ordered a display of fresh flower through one of those services and the recipient was given plastic flowers.

oldfarmer50

fintail said:

Plenty of new Camrys in the Seattle area, but have seen only 2 Accords, I think

Regarding SS, don't grouse, just think how great it will be for those of us able to collect in 25-30 years. Oh wait...

I'm sure enjoying spending your money. Thanks so much.

venture

dino001 said:

suydam said:

dino001 said:

stickguy said:

I just got an email that my radio was coming up for auto renewal.. which seemed odd, since I shouldn’t have one now. Dug out m aperwork, and it’s for the sonata, that. Already called and had cancelled. So, looks like I will be calling them back on that one.

How can they get away with essentially dodging people's requests, pretending they never heard you wanted to cancel? It doesn't strike me as a great business model.

I need some education on this. I have XM/Sirius on my new 430i since June, so it will lapse next year. I have absolutely zero intention of renewing, at any rate. In normal world it should be they send me junk mail, I toss it, they send me more junk mail, I toss it, they send me a final notice, I toss it, my sat radio stops working. Or will it? Can I simply ignore their "final notices", or will they keep "providing" me service past the expiration then claim I injured them by not paying for what I didn't ask for, but they provided without my expressed consent?

They don’t send you anything. It’s on you to remember a year from now! Mark the expiration date on your calendar and call to cancel the day before.

But they don't have my credit card number. I got it with the car.

When your free trial ends they will just shut it off. They may send you notices or emails if they have your email address, but they won't charge you. At least that's what happened with my wifes Forester.

fintail

With the way things might be going, my generation (and everyone else) might not be around to hit eligibility anyway

oldfarmer50 said:

I'm sure enjoying spending your money. Thanks so much.

jmonroe

mer50" rel="nofollow">oldfar mer50 said:

abacomike said:

I ordered a large poinsietta to be delivered by Avas flowers this past Sunday for delivery in LaQuinta CA this past Monday.  I received an email stating the poinsietta was delivered at 4:30 PM PST.  

The next day (Tuesday) I had not heard from my son’s SO, which surprised me - she always acknowledges gifts and flowers I send her.  So I called her and she said she never got a deliver of a poinsietta plant.  This was at 5:30 PM EST yesterday.  She said she never got a phone call to schedule a delivery like I told Avas Flowers.

So I called them wanting to know why they sent me an email that the delivery was, in fact, completed as required, and that my don’s Significant other still has not received the poinsietta.  I further told them that she was home all day Monday and Tuesday.  Their response was that they needed to contact the florist in CA to find out what happened.  I said I wanted a refund and I told them to cancel the order.  They refused stating the would look into it.

So I called AMEX and had the $90 charge reversed.  I again called Avas Flowers (they are like FTD) and told them I refuse to pay for something I never received - in this case an order to deliver a poinsietta on Monday.  I informed them I had AMEX reverse the charge and that they lost me as a customer.

I subsequently found out that florists frequently send the floral company confirmation of delivery before the delivery is made in order to collect the funds due for an order quickly.

So last night I contacted a florist in Palm Desert directly and ordered the poinsietta plant for delivery today and sent my son’s SO the name of the florist and their phone number.  I ended up getting a poinsietta twice the size of the one previously ordered at the same price and did not have to pay the expensive fees.

What I’ve learned from this experience is that online florists are undependable and frequently lie about deliveries and that I will contact s local florist directly when I send flowers or plants.  It was a pathetic experience with this company.  

I once ordered a display of fresh flower through one of those services and the recipient was given plastic flowers.

That's what happens when you buy flowers via CL.

jmonroe

ab348

pensfan83 said:

Under no circumstances would Sirius get a credit card. From everything I have read and heard they are worse than Comcast when it comes time to cancel.

However if they are going to give it to me for another 6 months for $30 I can live with that so long as I can do an invoice. In another six months if I don't renew and if they forget to turn it off and try to bill me for their own error, that's on them.

Be aware that on my prior car I had it on an invoice-only basis with no credit card on file. When I got the invoice and called to cancel they sent me another invoice for a $50 cancellation fee. More calls, more bad feeling, etc before they finally cancelled that.

Mr_Shiftright

Michaell said:

Shifty - she’s as stubborn as they come. Unless the winds shift 180 degrees, I don’t think her house is in danger. 

Generally if she gets an advisory evac, she is at some risk. If she refuses a mandatory, she's asking for trouble. She might also consider the possibility of being trapped in a last minute panic.

ab348

@Marcothecarguy1986 - I'm curious what voice recognition software you are using. It seems that it likes to misspell even fairly common words and has no built in dictionary that prevents it from displaying nonsensical spellings. Not knocking you, just wondering if it is older software.

abacomike

ab348 said:

@Marcothecarguy1986 - I'm curious what voice recognition software you are using. It seems that it likes to misspell even fairly common words and has no built in dictionary that prevents it from displaying nonsensical spellings. Not knocking you, just wondering if it is older software.

Marco must have an accent or drawl that confuses the voice recognition software.

oldfarmer50

fintail said:

With the way things might be going, my generation (and everyone else) might not be around to hit eligibility anyway

oldfarmer50 said:

I'm sure enjoying spending your money. Thanks so much.

You know, one thing I've learned is that most of what we worry about never happens. Humankind has survived much worse than anything on our current horizon.

oldfarmer50

jmonroe said:

mer50" rel="nofollow">oldfar mer50 said:

abacomike said:

I ordered a large poinsietta to be delivered by Avas flowers this past Sunday for delivery in LaQuinta CA this past Monday.  I received an email stating the poinsietta was delivered at 4:30 PM PST.  

The next day (Tuesday) I had not heard from my son’s SO, which surprised me - she always acknowledges gifts and flowers I send her.  So I called her and she said she never got a deliver of a poinsietta plant.  This was at 5:30 PM EST yesterday.  She said she never got a phone call to schedule a delivery like I told Avas Flowers.

So I called them wanting to know why they sent me an email that the delivery was, in fact, completed as required, and that my don’s Significant other still has not received the poinsietta.  I further told them that she was home all day Monday and Tuesday.  Their response was that they needed to contact the florist in CA to find out what happened.  I said I wanted a refund and I told them to cancel the order.  They refused stating the would look into it.

So I called AMEX and had the $90 charge reversed.  I again called Avas Flowers (they are like FTD) and told them I refuse to pay for something I never received - in this case an order to deliver a poinsietta on Monday.  I informed them I had AMEX reverse the charge and that they lost me as a customer.

I subsequently found out that florists frequently send the floral company confirmation of delivery before the delivery is made in order to collect the funds due for an order quickly.

So last night I contacted a florist in Palm Desert directly and ordered the poinsietta plant for delivery today and sent my son’s SO the name of the florist and their phone number.  I ended up getting a poinsietta twice the size of the one previously ordered at the same price and did not have to pay the expensive fees.

What I’ve learned from this experience is that online florists are undependable and frequently lie about deliveries and that I will contact s local florist directly when I send flowers or plants.  It was a pathetic experience with this company.  

I once ordered a display of fresh flower through one of those services and the recipient was given plastic flowers.

That's what happens when you buy flowers via CL.

jmonroe

My gosh, this was before CL or even computers.

Speaking of CL, if you had $20k to throw away, which would you take:



https://westernmass.craigslist.org/ctd/d/1965-cadillac-deville/6398327774.html



https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/cto/d/1965-pontiac-gto/6363056939.html

abacomike

oldfarmer50 said:

I ordered a large poinsietta to be delivered by Avas flowers this past Sunday for delivery in LaQuinta CA this past Monday.  I received an email stating the poinsietta was delivered at 4:30 PM PST.  

The next day (Tuesday) I had not heard from my son’s SO, which surprised me - she always acknowledges gifts and flowers I send her.  So I called her and she said she never got a deliver of a poinsietta plant.  This was at 5:30 PM EST yesterday.  She said she never got a phone call to schedule a delivery like I told Avas Flowers.

So I called them wanting to know why they sent me an email that the delivery was, in fact, completed as required, and that my don’s Significant other still has not received the poinsietta.  I further told them that she was home all day Monday and Tuesday.  Their response was that they needed to contact the florist in CA to find out what happened.  I said I wanted a refund and I told them to cancel the order.  They refused stating the would look into it.

So I called AMEX and had the $90 charge reversed.  I again called Avas Flowers (they are like FTD) and told them I refuse to pay for something I never received - in this case an order to deliver a poinsietta on Monday.  I informed them I had AMEX reverse the charge and that they lost me as a customer.

I subsequently found out that florists frequently send the floral company confirmation of delivery before the delivery is made in order to collect the funds due for an order quickly.

So last night I contacted a florist in Palm Desert directly and ordered the poinsietta plant for delivery today and sent my son’s SO the name of the florist and their phone number.  I ended up getting a poinsietta twice the size of the one previously ordered at the same price and did not have to pay the expensive fees.

What I’ve learned from this experience is that online florists are undependable and frequently lie about deliveries and that I will contact s local florist directly when I send flowers or plants.  It was a pathetic experience with this company.  

I once ordered a display of fresh flower through one of those services and the recipient was given plastic flowers.

That's what happens when you buy flowers via CL. jmonroe

My gosh, this was before CL or even computers. Speaking of CL, if you had $20k to throw away, which would you take: https://westernmass.craigslist.org/ctd/d/1965-cadillac-deville/6398327774.html https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/cto/d/1965-pontiac-gto/6363056939.html

My Dad owned a 1965 Cadillac Convertible in a light turquoise exterior and white leather interior.  It was s tank!

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fintail said:

With the way things might be going, my generation (and everyone else) might not be around to hit eligibility anyway

I said much the same thing 30 or 40 years ago, and yet here I am drawing 3.3K/month. Go figure.

fintail

Wide whites on that Caddy make me twitch a little. Too wide by an inch or more. Nice cars though.

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abacomike said:

Marco must have an accent or drawl that confuses the voice recognition software.

I'm guessing the software was created in an environment in which everything is phonetic and no one knows how to spell. Hmmm . . .

fintail

It might be hard to draw apples to appples comparisons between that generation and today, but here's hoping

cdnpinhead said:

I said much the same thing 30 or 40 years ago, and yet here I am drawing 3.3K/month. Go figure.

jmonroe

abacomike said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I ordered a large poinsietta to be delivered by Avas flowers this past Sunday for delivery in LaQuinta CA this past Monday.  I received an email stating the poinsietta was delivered at 4:30 PM PST.  

The next day (Tuesday) I had not heard from my son’s SO, which surprised me - she always acknowledges gifts and flowers I send her.  So I called her and she said she never got a deliver of a poinsietta plant.  This was at 5:30 PM EST yesterday.  She said she never got a phone call to schedule a delivery like I told Avas Flowers.

So I called them wanting to know why they sent me an email that the delivery was, in fact, completed as required, and that my don’s Significant other still has not received the poinsietta.  I further told them that she was home all day Monday and Tuesday.  Their response was that they needed to contact the florist in CA to find out what happened.  I said I wanted a refund and I told them to cancel the order.  They refused stating the would look into it.

So I called AMEX and had the $90 charge reversed.  I again called Avas Flowers (they are like FTD) and told them I refuse to pay for something I never received - in this case an order to deliver a poinsietta on Monday.  I informed them I had AMEX reverse the charge and that they lost me as a customer.

I subsequently found out that florists frequently send the floral company confirmation of delivery before the delivery is made in order to collect the funds due for an order quickly.

So last night I contacted a florist in Palm Desert directly and ordered the poinsietta plant for delivery today and sent my son’s SO the name of the florist and their phone number.  I ended up getting a poinsietta twice the size of the one previously ordered at the same price and did not have to pay the expensive fees.

What I’ve learned from this experience is that online florists are undependable and frequently lie about deliveries and that I will contact s local florist directly when I send flowers or plants.  It was a pathetic experience with this company.  

I once ordered a display of fresh flower through one of those services and the recipient was given plastic flowers.

That's what happens when you buy flowers via CL.

jmonroe

My gosh, this was before CL or even computers.

Speaking of CL, if you had $20k to throw away, which would you take:



https://westernmass.craigslist.org/ctd/d/1965-cadillac-deville/6398327774.html



https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/cto/d/1965-pontiac-gto/6363056939.html

My Dad owned a 1965 Cadillac Convertible in a light turquoise exterior and white leather interior.  It was s tank!

How about the one in the middle.

jmonroe

roadburner

The latest episode of the RB Election Saga...
I'm definitely running; the appointee has made several unforced errors- the biggest of which was firing the extremely popular office manager who had worked in that office for 25 years- and she was just 9 months away from retirement. The lady has a huge network of family and friends, who will all work like crazy for me.
To make things crazier, the mayor of the city I live in called me today and asked me if I'd consider the job of city attorney. I'm probably going to accept the job and resign from my current job. It won't be as much fun, but it's also part-time, pays double what I'm making now, lets me work out of my home, and won't require working weekends or holidays. I'm waiting on a quote on malpractice insurance and if it's reasonable I'll be taking over the job my father held back in the 1960s...

qbrozen

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe said:

mer50" rel="nofollow">oldfar mer50 said:

abacomike said:

I ordered a large poinsietta to be delivered by Avas flowers this past Sunday for delivery in LaQuinta CA this past Monday.  I received an email stating the poinsietta was delivered at 4:30 PM PST.  

The next day (Tuesday) I had not heard from my son’s SO, which surprised me - she always acknowledges gifts and flowers I send her.  So I called her and she said she never got a deliver of a poinsietta plant.  This was at 5:30 PM EST yesterday.  She said she never got a phone call to schedule a delivery like I told Avas Flowers.

So I called them wanting to know why they sent me an email that the delivery was, in fact, completed as required, and that my don’s Significant other still has not received the poinsietta.  I further told them that she was home all day Monday and Tuesday.  Their response was that they needed to contact the florist in CA to find out what happened.  I said I wanted a refund and I told them to cancel the order.  They refused stating the would look into it.

So I called AMEX and had the $90 charge reversed.  I again called Avas Flowers (they are like FTD) and told them I refuse to pay for something I never received - in this case an order to deliver a poinsietta on Monday.  I informed them I had AMEX reverse the charge and that they lost me as a customer.

I subsequently found out that florists frequently send the floral company confirmation of delivery before the delivery is made in order to collect the funds due for an order quickly.

So last night I contacted a florist in Palm Desert directly and ordered the poinsietta plant for delivery today and sent my son’s SO the name of the florist and their phone number.  I ended up getting a poinsietta twice the size of the one previously ordered at the same price and did not have to pay the expensive fees.

What I’ve learned from this experience is that online florists are undependable and frequently lie about deliveries and that I will contact s local florist directly when I send flowers or plants.  It was a pathetic experience with this company.  

I once ordered a display of fresh flower through one of those services and the recipient was given plastic flowers.

That's what happens when you buy flowers via CL.

jmonroe

My gosh, this was before CL or even computers.

Speaking of CL, if you had $20k to throw away, which would you take:



https://westernmass.craigslist.org/ctd/d/1965-cadillac-deville/6398327774.html



https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/cto/d/1965-pontiac-gto/6363056939.html

I vote "none of the above." There are far better vehicles for $20k.