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roadburner

qbrozen said:

A coworker just showed me his "new" car. He needed something now just until his daughter leaves for school in September. After looking around, he decided to lend her his car and use swap-a-lease to get something fun for himself for the short term. Wound up scoring a 2016 M235i vert 6-speed with just 4600 miles (city dwellers who hardly ever drove it) for $600/mo through 9/15. The buyout at that time on this ~$60k(?) car would be $32k. He figures, if he likes it, he'll buy it.

As it sits today, it is roughly a $40k-$42k car. Add up his lease payments and buyout, and he would be in it for $37,400. Not bad at all.

Nice!

isellhondas

oldfarmer50 said:

isellhondas said:

I was thinking the same thing. Why would someone "register" a battery?

Mr_Shiftright said:

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

roadburner said:

I broke down and bought a scan tool for my BMWs and Minis. The Mini needs a new battery and the tool will let me register the battery without the need of a trip to the dealer or indie shop. Since most shops charge .05-1.0 hours for the procedure the tool will pay for itself with one use- plus it will perform some thorough diagnostics. The word on the BMW and Mini boards is that it's the next best thing to having INPA diagnostic software, and it is supposedly much easier to use.

Could you educate me on what is involved in registering a battery and what that means?

I think it means if the bride registered asking for a new battery they will send her one.

LONG ANSWER:

"After installing a new battery, the service function ‘Register battery replacement’ must be run. The registration of the battery replacement is required to inform the power management (software in engine electronics and intelligent battery sensor) that a new battery was installed in the vehicle. If the battery replacement is not registered, the power management will not function properly and can lead to functions being limited by individual electrical consumers being switched off or having their power consumption reduced. Power management will charge the new battery as if it’s the old worn out battery, causing premature failure of the replacement battery."

SHORT ANSWER: It's a German car so everything has to be harder.

That is just amazing and not in a good way!

Didn't you buy a BMW that had the check engine light come on as you drove home? Maybe you didn't register your new bride and she was angry.

No, that wasn't me. We have owned four BMW's and they just love throwing their CEL lights on! change a taillight bulb with a (gasp) non OEM bulb and you'll get a light on warning of a burnt out bulb. Install a non OEM gas cap and the next day you'll get a CEL! Great cars if you enjoy expensive to maintain persnickety cars that tend to get pretty tired once the odometer hits around 120,000 miles.

explorerx4

@isell, Did you register that bulb or gas cap? Maybe that was your problem.

isellhondas

I think you're on to something! Shame on me! How a BMW could tell that I had committed a mortal sin by buying a bulb at NAPA instead of at the dealer I'll never know! It took the car a few hours to figure out it had been violated!

tbirdmarco

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QquLK4ZJ1h8

oldfarmer50

tbirdmarco said:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QquLK4ZJ1h8

I had heard today that Fusion sales were down 22% but do away with it and the Taurus?

Anyone care to explain why sedan sales across the board are down?

Might be a good time to go shopping.

stickguy

people seem to love CUVs now for whatever reason. Still odd that Ford does not keep at least 1 bigger sedan. Even if they combined the Fiesta and Focus into 1, and Fusion/taurus into the other model.

Michaell

There was an article about the Fusion on TTAC, I think.

The reasoning is that the fuel efficiency gains on smaller CUV/SUV's almost bridge the gap to the mid-size sedans - and, they are more profitable.

The current Fusion is supposed to stay in production for another 3-5 years.

explorerx4

Ford might do a Civic/Accord design for Focus/Fusion. Just something floating out there in the interwebs.

Mr_Shiftright

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

roadburner said:

My wife and I usually buy CPO BMWs, pay them off in a couple of years, and then drive them for another 7-8 years minimum. I've never figured True Cost to Own, but I had an "expert" on another board proclaim that leasing a new BMW every three years was the cheapest way to own one. I crunched the numbers-subtracting what I sold it for from my purchase price and adding in all maintenance and repairs- and it turned out that buying my CPO 2004 X3 and driving it for 12 years was actually $32,000 less expensive than a perpetual $550/month lease over the same period.

** control arm bushings, thermostat & housing, shock tower bracing, new sunroof, door lock actuators, interior door trim, headlight bulbs, cracked rim, cooling fan sensor, AC compressor, radio, battery, motor mounts, catalytic converter, key module. Non-calamities include the usual ---tune up, new brakes, windshield, tires.

I count down time waiting for your car, arranging to take it in, calling for tow trucks or help, making phone calls, waiting at the garage, being late for something important, making arrangements for rides while car is in garage....as expenses. Probably worse than paying more monthly for a reliable car....it is taking valuable time away from my life!

I never let that kind of thing get to me. There's always a way to turn waiting time into useful time. Besides, these things are stretched over 8 years. I gotta say the car never left me stranded. I'm hoping the next one is less of a pain though. BMW should be rightly ashamed of the Mini

Some people depend on their cars for work or business. There were times in my life when I could have been making a lot more money by having a reliable car....than I could trying to save money buying a cheaper car that had to be in the garage for hours. Not in your case but it is another case of "False Economizing" for some people.

Yeah I paid top dollar for that car actually. I thought low mileage was a plus-----NOT!

abacomike

I am so cold...already in the mid-40’s on its way down into the 30’s tonight and early tomorrow morning.  I just turned on the heat - something I haven’t done in a long, long time.  I don’t remember it being this cold in many years.  I’ll get to check out the heated seats tomorrow morning.

driver100

isellhondas said:

I think you're on to something! Shame on me! How a BMW could tell that I had committed a mortal sin by buying a bulb at NAPA instead of at the dealer I'll never know! It took the car a few hours to figure out it had been violated!

See what I mean about engineering! They even know when you aren't using OEM parts......now that is engineering excellence!

driver100

stickguy said:

people seem to love CUVs now for whatever reason. Still odd that Ford does not keep at least 1 bigger sedan. Even if they combined the Fiesta and Focus into 1, and Fusion/taurus into the other model.

People like SUVs and CUVs because as we age we like higher cars, and as our waists expand we want more space inside. Also, a lot of people feel safer with more metal around them, and some people like the higher riding position SUVs offer. Many prefer the convenience of a large cargo area. Just another opinion, but I think some people feel less intimidated having a larger car.

I have had SUVs for work, so they seem more like work vehicles to me. A car is more fun to drive IMO, they are lower to the ground and corner better, and I like having a real trunk. But, I am becoming the rare one.

suydam

abacomike said:

I am so cold...already in the mid-40’s on its way down into the 30’s tonight and early tomorrow morning.  I just turned on the heat - something I haven’t done in a long, long time.  I don’t remember it being this cold in many years.  I’ll get to check out the heated seats tomorrow morning.

You poor dear man. It’s below zero in half the country and you dare complain about 30’s! People up north will be beating a path to your door.

qbrozen

A car is obviously more fun, and that poses a big conundrum for me lately because I have come to appreciate the far easier ingress/egress of a taller vehicle. Being 6'5" is going to have more and more drawbacks as I get older, methinks.

stickguy

I like a compromise. Real sports cars are just too low. But some SUVs are a climb. Something like an X1, basically a slightly elevated hatchback, is a nice compromise. But the Elantra has not been too bad. Actually for some reason seems higher than the Sonata was. But definitely not as high as the RDX.

abacomike

suydam said:

I am so cold...already in the mid-40’s on its way down into the 30’s tonight and early tomorrow morning.  I just turned on the heat - something I haven’t done in a long, long time.  I don’t remember it being this cold in many years.  I’ll get to check out the heated seats tomorrow morning.

You poor dear man. It’s below zero in half the country and you dare complain about 30’s! People up north will be beating a path to your door.

I’ve got room!  

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

I am so cold...already in the mid-40’s on its way down into the 30’s tonight and early tomorrow morning.  I just turned on the heat - something I haven’t done in a long, long time.  I don’t remember it being this cold in many years.  I’ll get to check out the heated seats tomorrow morning.

Kind of hard to feel sorry for you Mike when to the north of me they're predicting -41 F wind chills Friday.

fintail

Occasional rain and mid 40s here through the weekend, tough world!

oldfarmer50

Local large indie auto dealer just made the area's first Bitcoin sale to a buyer from Virginia. I can't begin to think what could go wrong with a deal like that.

BTW, does anyone know how in a deal like that you would convert your Bitcoin into tangible cash?

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

A car is obviously more fun, and that poses a big conundrum for me lately because I have come to appreciate the far easier ingress/egress of a taller vehicle. Being 6'5" is going to have more and more drawbacks as I get older, methinks.

True. I have to fall into the Mustang but climb up into the van. The PT is just about right with a seat height 25-26 inches above the ground.

Michaell

fintail said:

Occasional rain and mid 40s here through the weekend, tough world!

40's and 50's here in Denver for the next 10 days.

Lows in the mid 20's to low 30's.

Just about right for this time of year.

Everybody suffering through the deep freeze, stay warm and stay safe.

abacomike

Been watching those Lincoln and Volvo TV ad spots, as all of you guys have in the past several months.  They are excellent!  The ad agencies handling those accounts are using a more laid back approach in providing a more serene and relaxed observation of their products.  The two winter ad spots by Volvo and Lincoln were the best I’ve ever seen.

Contrast those commercials with those of Ford, Chevrolet, Toyota, Huyandai, etc., And you quickly pick up the two different approaches.

oldfarmer50

Well the run is on for milk and bread as the latest "bombshell" snow storm is set to dump a few inches in upstate NY. Maybe our poster friends in Boston or Nova Scotia should be concerned but I get tired of the hysteria. Call me when you're forecasting 2 feet.

I don't know how I made it through the last 50 winters of driving without these dire warnings. Guess I was too dumb to be scared. Heck, I have fond memories of driving my 69 Plymouth down I-90 in a blizzard only stopping when too much snow got sucked into the air cleaner and choked the carb.

imidazol97

abacomike said:

I am so cold...already in the mid-40’s on its way down into the 30’s tonight and early tomorrow morning.  I just turned on the heat - something I haven’t done in a long, long time.  I don’t remember it being this cold in many years.  I’ll get to check out the heated seats tomorrow morning.

Don't expect sympathy from cold here in Ohio...bundle up!

imidazol97

abacomike said:

I’ll get to check out the heated seats tomorrow morning.

Check out the remote start and really enjoy the seats that are turned on automatically when it's "cold," or at least what Floridians call cold, and the seats are already warmed. Love my Malibu.

pensfan83

oldfarmer50 said:

Local large indie auto dealer just made the area's first Bitcoin sale to a buyer from Virginia. I can't begin to think what could go wrong with a deal like that.

BTW, does anyone know how in a deal like that you would convert your Bitcoin into tangible cash?

Assuming the payment to the dealer was done virtually as well they (the dealer), would have to convert the Bitcoins from their virtual/e-wallet by partnering with a Bitcoin exchange to sell them for physical currency.

driver100

Does BMW allow remote starters now? I asked about having one put on one of my BMWs and they said it wasn't sanctioned by BMW. (it may have been the 2008 manual one though - do they put them on manuals?)

qbrozen

pensfan83 said:

Local large indie auto dealer just made the area's first Bitcoin sale to a buyer from Virginia. I can't begin to think what could go wrong with a deal like that. BTW, does anyone know how in a deal like that you would convert your Bitcoin into tangible cash?

Assuming the payment to the dealer was done virtually as well they (the dealer), would have to convert the Bitcoins from their virtual/e-wallet by partnering with a Bitcoin exchange to sell them for physical currency.

Would like to see the sale contract on that car

abacomike

imidazol97 said:

I’ll get to check out the heated seats tomorrow morning.

Check out the remote start and really enjoy the seats that are turned on automatically when it's "cold," or at least what Floridians call cold, and the seats are already warmed. Love my Malibu.

Might do that this morning.  41 degrees right now.  My brother called me - it’s in the 30’s in Jacksonville right now.

graphicguy

I agree with most. Buy what you like. I have, in the past, bought “cheap” because of some self imposed thought that “cheap” is what my family needed at the time.

Not sure any of that was the right way to go, given how that turned out. For example, two of the “cheap” rides I’ve had in my fleet in years past, Ford Tempo, Renault Alliance Chevy Cavalier.....all were miserable cars that I bought because they were cheap. They were unreliable, left me stranded more than once, not necessarily comfortable, sporty, speedy, or well built.

Just miserable cars that were cheap and a total waste of my money.

Now, I’ve had very expensive cars that were unreliable, too. But, the cheap ones above seem to stand out more in my mind....probably because I could ill-afford an unreliable car when I owned them. I bought all of them new, also.


Also agree that the advancements on fuel economy, tech, driveability, performance, etc over the last 3-4 years have been monumental. Hard to believe seeing what a 2018 car can do, vs a 2010 car. Pretty big changes, even for something as mundane as a Camry or an Accord. I still think Chevy’s Bolt/Volt are amazing cars, too.

oldfarmer50

I don't know why this pleases me. Is Schadenfreude the right term?

roadburner

driver100 said:

Does BMW allow remote starters now? I asked about having one put on one of my BMWs and they said it wasn't sanctioned by BMW. (it may have been the 2008 manual one though - do they put them on manuals?)

BMW offered a retrofit for the F10, F15, and F16; there was a low take rate and it didn’t play well with some of the software updates. It has since been discontinued. 

roadburner

isellhondas said:

I think you're on to something! Shame on me! How a BMW could tell that I had committed a mortal sin by buying a bulb at NAPA instead of at the dealer I'll never know! It took the car a few hours to figure out it had been violated!

I know that I’ve explained this before, but that issue has absolutely nothing to with whether the bulbs are OEM; the problem is the TYPE of bulb. European manufacturers use bulbs with a silver base instead of a brass base. BMW at that time had designed the bulb check system to monitor bulbs by sending a very low current to the bulbs to detect continuity. The copper bases corroded and or had too high of a resistance. BMW has yet to learn that US drivers never read the OM and will try to use the cheapest generic part whenever possible. 

bwia

oldfarmer50 said:

Well the run is on for milk and bread as the latest "bombshell" snow storm is set to dump a few inches in upstate NY. Maybe our poster friends in Boston or Nova Scotia should be concerned but I get tired of the hysteria. Call me when you're forecasting 2 feet.

I don't know how I made it through the last 50 winters of driving without these dire warnings. Guess I was too dumb to be scared. Heck, I have fond memories of driving my 69 Plymouth down I-90 in a blizzard only stopping when too much snow got sucked into the air cleaner and choked the carb.

Well all schools in Massachusetts are closed and right now the snow is coming down at a decent clip. Yesterday, my town sent out three Robo calls alerting residents to put out their garbage last night due to impending Nor' Easter of the century, We'll see how that plays out because it is not looking good outside.

Speaking of cars, today would be a good time to walk into a dealership and request a test drive. My friend said last winter Subaru was the only dealership who entertained her request for a test drive during a snow storm. As a result, she bought a Legacy on the spot, with a huge snow discount to boot. Up here in New England Subaru's reputation is highly regarded and well deserved. Their vehicles, all 4WD's I believe, are exceptionally sure-footed on our wintery roads.

28firefighter

Some days I'm jealous that we don't get major snow where I live. Then I remember I work from home full-time and there is no such thing as a snow day.

abacomike

imidazol97 said:

abacomike said:

I’ll get to check out the heated seats tomorrow morning.

Check out the remote start and really enjoy the seats that are turned on automatically when it's "cold," or at least what Floridians call cold, and the seats are already warmed. Love my Malibu.

I opened the Mercedes Me app on my iPhone and pressed "remote start"! 5 minutes later, I went downstairs to the car and sure enough, the car was running, the heat was on, and the seats were nice and toasty. Never had a remote start in a car before - but who would've thought...?

All the windows in my condo were filled with condensation this morning as were the sliding glass doors to my terrace. I haven't seen that in years. Tonight is supposed to be the coldest - into the mid 30's for the western suburbs where I live. That nice big comforter that I bought a few months ago sure came in handy last night.

fintail

I'm jealous of a fun snow event. I'd end up working from home too, but it would be more like "working" from home

stickguy

Down by philly, we are getting more than last nights high estimate. Probably around 6 inches. Not looking forward to shoveling, especially with the high winds. Going to be miserable.

Michaell

28firefighter said:

Some days I'm jealous that we don't get major snow where I live. Then I remember I work from home full-time and there is no such thing as a snow day.

Ding ding ding!

Same for me.

You don't want to see the looks I get from the wife when the snow is going sideways and she is getting ready to leave for work.

stickguy

I took my car out last night for a run to the store, knowing it was going back into hibernation until next week sometime

oldfarmer50

bwia said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Well the run is on for milk and bread as the latest "bombshell" snow storm is set to dump a few inches in upstate NY. Maybe our poster friends in Boston or Nova Scotia should be concerned but I get tired of the hysteria. Call me when you're forecasting 2 feet.

I don't know how I made it through the last 50 winters of driving without these dire warnings. Guess I was too dumb to be scared. Heck, I have fond memories of driving my 69 Plymouth down I-90 in a blizzard only stopping when too much snow got sucked into the air cleaner and choked the carb.

Well all schools in Massachusetts are closed and right now the snow is coming down at a decent clip. Yesterday, my town sent out three Robo calls alerting residents to put out their garbage last night due to impending Nor' Easter of the century, We'll see how that plays out because it is not looking good outside.

Speaking of cars, today would be a good time to walk into a dealership and request a test drive. My friend said last winter Subaru was the only dealership who entertained her request for a test drive during a snow storm. As a result, she bought a Legacy on the spot, with a huge snow discount to boot. Up here in New England Subaru's reputation is highly regarded and well deserved. Their vehicles, all 4WD's I believe, are exceptionally sure-footed on our wintery roads.

I insisted my wife test drive the PT before I bought it and wouldn't you know it as soon as well pulled out we had a cloudburst. Drove around in torrential rain. She hasn't liked driving in snow since she spun out and got t-boned in 1976.

houdini1

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:
I learned a valuable lesson. If I could do something, why pay someone to screw it up and then be inconvenienced in the process?

But, the corollary is, "Why try to fix it myself and then screw it up and make it even more expensive to repair?"

Not talking about you JM, just some people like me can do more damage by DoingIY.

If I had two left hands, that's the way I'd do it too.

jmonroe

Yeh, I know my limits.

And the bar ain't that high...is it?

jmonroe

That's like the drunk who said he knew his limits but somehow he always got drunk before he reached them.

houdini1

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

Came home from work today and the smoke detectors were blaring like they would in a real fire.

Maybe I should check the expiration date. It's 2020. Dug through some of the back rows and found some 2022's.
Overall, it's good to know how loud the smoke detectors can be, but I wasn't in the mood to deal with it after 10 hours at work, first work day of the year.

At least it went off during the day. Our bedroom one went off at 2 a.m. on Christmas day. Put a new alarm up last year and a 5 year battery last month. Had to be a faulty alarm. Ordered a new one that is the same for $12 and I just had to put the new one on the old bracket...so far so good.

They never go off at a great time though.

When that chirping starts because of a low battery it drives our dog insane. She hides in the closet until we get it fixed.

nyccarguy

Leasing, Buying New, or Buying Used? It is all what works well for YOU. I've done all 3 in my short 41+ years on this earth.

I bought my 1st new car a week after I got my license (1992 Chevrolet Beretta GT) outright (thank-you Grandma). Drove it a whopping 61K miles in 6 years. It had a myriad of nagging problems, but I sold it after the 2nd loeb of the camshaft wore down completely.

I bought my 2001 Prelude outright (still own it with 158K miles) when I was 24. The most expensive repair was replacing the clutch (53K miles and cost me almost $2,500). It has NEVER left me stranded. The one time last year when the Idle Air Control Valve went bad, I was able to nurse it to the mechanic.

I've leased a '98 Ford Explorer Sport (2 years), a 2000 Saab 9-3 (3 years), a 2007 X3 (3 years), & a 2011 328xi (2 1/2 years). Leasing isn't cheap, but I made it work to fit my (our) needs. I had a new, reliable, very nice car that was under warranty. The BMWs had their maintenance covered too which was nice. I had to replace 4 tires on the X3 at 43,000 miles (of a 45,000 mile lease).

I've financed my '10 TSX, '11 Pilot, '15 Legacy, '15 Infiniti (used), & '17 Pilot. Of those, I only paid off and kept the '11 Pilot (which we just traded in). If I HAD to, I could have done a lot of maintenance and repairs to keep the Pilot going to 150,000+ as we originally intended. If I hadn't test drove that BMW 328xi, I most likely would have kept the TSX for another 100K miles (it had 50K when I traded it in).

houdini1

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

tjc78 said:

roadburner said:

My wife and I usually buy CPO BMWs, pay them off in a couple of years, and then drive them for another 7-8 years minimum. I've never figured True Cost to Own, but I had an "expert" on another board proclaim that leasing a new BMW every three years was the cheapest way to own one. I crunched the numbers-subtracting what I sold it for from my purchase price and adding in all maintenance and repairs- and it turned out that buying my CPO 2004 X3 and driving it for 12 years was actually $32,000 less expensive than a perpetual $550/month lease over the same period.

I’m a Chronic leaser, but I could never justify it saying it was cheaper over the course of time. I would argue similar costs if you buy new and trade every three years, but certainly not over the long haul.

Regardless of economics leasing is attractive if you're driving a complex car prone to expensive repairs post-warranty or live in a climate that can trash a car in short order.

You hit one of the main reasons I won't by a car like an Audi, BMW and the like. I simply cannot see driving a car that you wouldn't own outside of a warranty. To me that's saying the car is unreliable

. 

That is one way of looking at it. I see it as you only live once, I want to enjoy the feeling of driving a car that has been superbly engineered (think masterpiece of art, Shakespeare, best actor, best whiskey, best pizza), and I am willing to pay for that privilege. If it was only about saving money or trying to be as practical as possible, I would buy a 3 year old Camry.

If you actually owned a 3 year old Camry I am reasonably sure that you would be singing its praises.

houdini1

Mr_Shiftright said:

roadburner said:

My wife and I usually buy CPO BMWs, pay them off in a couple of years, and then drive them for another 7-8 years minimum. I've never figured True Cost to Own, but I had an "expert" on another board proclaim that leasing a new BMW every three years was the cheapest way to own one. I crunched the numbers-subtracting what I sold it for from my purchase price and adding in all maintenance and repairs- and it turned out that buying my CPO 2004 X3 and driving it for 12 years was actually $32,000 less expensive than a perpetual $550/month lease over the same period.

Leasing always seems the most expensive option, and buying a used one that's just a few years old will always be the cheapest cost-to-own. You win the game on having the other guy absorb the depreciation.

And even if your used car is troublesome, like my last one was, it's still cheaper. Taking into account every penny I spent to buy the car, even the sales tax (not gas or insurance), all the repairs, large and small, every tire, wiper blade, belt, blub, or hose, and despite numerous calamities**, it still only cost me about $135 a month over 8 years and 150,000 miles. That's probably less than a third of what most new car buyers have spent by the end of their loan.

** control arm bushings, thermostat & housing, shock tower bracing, new sunroof, door lock actuators, interior door trim, headlight bulbs, cracked rim, cooling fan sensor, AC compressor, radio, battery, motor mounts, catalytic converter, key module. Non-calamities include the usual ---tune up, new brakes, windshield, tires.

suydam said:

abacomike said:

I am so cold...already in the mid-40’s on its way down into the 30’s tonight and early tomorrow morning.  I just turned on the heat - something I haven’t done in a long, long time.  I don’t remember it being this cold in many years.  I’ll get to check out the heated seats tomorrow morning.

You poor dear man. It’s below zero in half the country and you dare complain about 30’s! People up north will be beating a path to your door.

It's all relative. We have been very cold in KC for a couple of weeks now with lows in the minus #s and highs in the teens. But the coldest I have even been was in Ft. Myers, Fla. back in the '80's. We were playing golf when a cold front came thru and the temp dropped to the 40's. 30 mph wind and misting rain, etc. I was wearing shorts and a t-shirt and nearly froze before I could get off the course. Back in the 70's next day.

stickguy

if I shop again this year, I may try CPO or slightly used again. Just depends on what I decide to look for. Will also consider a lease to buy option (if the right car is available with a massively subsidized lease)

ab348

@nyccarguy , you need to update your signature line. It's still showing the 2011 Pilot.

I love my new ATS and it is the most fun car I've ever owned, but I suspect I would be only slightly less satisfied if I had bought something like that CPO Fusion Titanium I drove and liked a lot. Plus I would have paid cash and owned it outright for only a bit more that what my down payment was on the ATS.

Mr_Shiftright

Michaell said:

fintail said:

Occasional rain and mid 40s here through the weekend, tough world!

40's and 50's here in Denver for the next 10 days.

Lows in the mid 20's to low 30's.

Just about right for this time of year.

Everybody suffering through the deep freeze, stay warm and stay safe.

And take special care of your pets. Just because they have fur doesn't mean they aren't vulnerable in extreme cold!