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jmonroe

driver100 said:

A similar thing happened to someone else a few years ago, and I asked him to stay, just ignore the hecklers, they aren't worth the aggravation. There are some great people here, I love reading their posts and sharing ideas, information and fun.

JMonroe made a joke...and I like that, he can dish it out and take it in a fun way......I know when the dark negative comments appear along with the ganging up it isn't meant to be funny.

I like to feel that I add something positive to the world, make someone's life more pleasant, more informative, more enjoyable in some ways. Some will be disappointed if I stay....but that is a good thing. From now on I'll just ignore negative people.....it is what I do in real life anyway.

Thanks for your comments carnaught, GG, Marco, suydam, snake, etc - they mean a lot.

You took it all wrong...I meant it.

jmonroe

explorerx4

I wouldn't worry too much about driver, He's probably just sore because Canada didn't get a gold in curling or ice hockey. He'll get over it in a few days.

abacomike

driver100 said:

"explorerx4" I think you are a good candidate for an autonomous vehicle. Operating a car seems to be a challenge for you. Personally, I'm with stickguy, unless a manual transmission, you just about never shift with the car in motion. If it's not moving you don't need any hands on the wheel. roadburner Agreed!

I am taking a break....I am tired of the jackels coming out of the woodwork. I always try to treat people with respect and dignity - there are a few people (very small few - most of you are great guys) who like to gang up and make these demeaning comments. I taught driving to high school students, so I probably know more than the posters who make the senseless comments. I don't need that. Not my thing guys.

Good grief, driver!  Did I miss something?  I don’t post as much as I used to, but I try to read everyone’s comments.  I agreed with your preference for the gear selector being attached to the steering wheel stalk only because it provides a significant increase in console storage space - no other reason.  Wherever they put the transmission gear selector in a car, we can all adapt to its position.

Remember the push-button transmissions in Chrysler products in the late 50’s and into the 60’s?  That took a lot of effort to get used to.

As for your being aggravated over comments made by other posters, we have all experienced that and we all, with a few exceptions, get over it sooner or later.  I hope it’s sooner than later in your case - I truly enjoy your contributions to this thread.

abacomike

Mr_Shiftright said:

Baloney-walls look great on a 30s car but the more modern cars require a thinner stripe IMO. That T-Bird looks good with whites although I find the wheels rather ummm......"busy". But I guess bling was the thing for this build, so he's payin', so he gets what he wants.

That's the neat thing, those aren't whitewalls. They painted the wheels. What's your opinion of chrome wheels? I suppose you hate them too but I've always liked them. There's a 2005-09 Mustang down the street from me with chrome wheels, lowered and a few other cosmetic mods in Navy blue paint that to me looks sharp with chrome. Am I strange?

Depends on the car really. My opinion is that they look best on hot rods and customs, and nothing else. Chrome wheels don't stand alone--they need a whole chromey/blingy car to go with them.

I agree Shifty.  On most cars, I really like the chiseled look of many aluminum alloy wheels- like the spokes were diamond cut.  But on most cars, chrome wheels, IMHO, are a bit over the top except on hot rods and 1950’s/1960’s period cars.

abacomike

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe said:

Ok, advice time. My nephew wants to sell his 2017 Civic with under 10k miles. He still owes slightly north of $17k on it. Book is about $18k. What would you reccommend as a marketing venue? Seems too new and pricey for Craigslist. How would you handle the lien payoff? He has the Honda cache' going for him so it should be an easy sell. I'm kind of out of my element here as my experience has been cash in the driveway deals.

That isn't going to be an easy sale. He is competing against new ones and for the small difference in price must buyers would go with new and avoid the risks of a "used" car. In addition if there is low financing available or a special lease rate it'll be even harder to oompete. Still, advertise it in it might get snapped up!

I would certainly go new over a one year old private party sale for fear of abuse but I'm weird. This is more my style for a low mileage PP sale. https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/worth-every-penny/6503514764.html

I didn't want to be a scrooge so I didn't say anything. I would have said the same thing but I left that up to our bubble bursting, prior salesman, poster buddy @isellhondas. It's more fitting for him to be the heavy with stuff like this. You never said why your nephew wanted to ditch his 2017 Civic. Maybe with that info some specific help could be provided but more than likely not. I never did understand why anyone would want to get rid of a perfectly good reliable car that was only a year old unless they just flat out couldn't afford it. Now, if he simply fell out of love with it, that kind of rationale will probably repeat itself. And I doubt anyone in here could help with that. Just curious, did you offer to help or were you commandeered? jmonroe

Some people want a new car every year. I have known people that every spring they had a brand new car.

Hmmmm, makes no sense - why buy a new car every year?  1 and 2 year old cars are just breaking in (from what people tell me!) 
  

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

I saw something funny at the grocery yesterday, an old codger in a '90s era Pontiac was trying to back into a parking space so he opened the door and leaned out looking over his shoulder. It didn't help; he still ended up with the driver's side of the car being at least 1.5 feet over the line. I was in a hurry so I didn't have time to watch the entire exhibition of his parking prowess, but as I walked by he had pulled out and was preparing to take another shot at that incredibly difficult feat of low speed maneuvering...

Sometimes us codgers have to do that because our necks don't swivel like in you youngins'

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

"explorerx4"
I think you are a good candidate for an autonomous vehicle. Operating a car seems to be a challenge for you.
Personally, I'm with stickguy, unless a manual transmission, you just about never shift with the car in motion.
If it's not moving you don't need any hands on the wheel.
roadburner
Agreed!

I am taking a break....I am tired of the jackels coming out of the woodwork.

I always try to treat people with respect and dignity - there are a few people (very small few - most of you are great guys) who like to gang up and make these demeaning comments. I taught driving to high school students, so I probably know more than the posters who make the senseless comments.

I don't need that. Not my thing guys.

If I've said anything to hurt your feelings, I apologize. I think teasing is endemic in groups of old guys. You should hear the transporters go at each other when we're all in the van together.

I don't think anyone means to be cruel.

isellhondas

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

isellhondas said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Ok, advice time.

My nephew wants to sell his 2017 Civic with under 10k miles. He still owes slightly north of $17k on it. Book is about $18k.

What would you reccommend as a marketing venue? Seems too new and pricey for Craigslist.

How would you handle the lien payoff?

He has the Honda cache' going for him so it should be an easy sell. I'm kind of out of my element here as my experience has been cash in the driveway deals.

That isn't going to be an easy sale. He is competing against new ones and for the small difference in price must buyers would go with new and avoid the risks of a "used" car. In addition if there is low financing available or a special lease rate it'll be even harder to oompete.

Still, advertise it in it might get snapped up!

I would certainly go new over a one year old private party sale for fear of abuse but I'm weird.

This is more my style for a low mileage PP sale.

https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/worth-every-penny/6503514764.html

I didn't want to be a scrooge so I didn't say anything. I would have said the same thing but I left that up to our bubble bursting, prior salesman, poster buddy @isellhondas. It's more fitting for him to be the heavy with stuff like this.

You never said why your nephew wanted to ditch his 2017 Civic. Maybe with that info some specific help could be provided but more than likely not. I never did understand why anyone would want to get rid of a perfectly good reliable car that was only a year old unless they just flat out couldn't afford it. Now, if he simply fell out of love with it, that kind of rationale will probably repeat itself. And I doubt anyone in here could help with that.

Just curious, did you offer to help or were you commandeered?

jmonroe

I'm not sure about you but when I ask a question I want to hear the truth and I don't want it sugar coated. I do have the experience and I fully understand the realities of trying to sell a one year old Honda especially a Civic. If that is "bubble bursting" than I apologize. I should have just remained silent and I knew it at the time!

oldfarmer50

isellhondas said:

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

isellhondas said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Ok, advice time.

My nephew wants to sell his 2017 Civic with under 10k miles. He still owes slightly north of $17k on it. Book is about $18k.

What would you reccommend as a marketing venue? Seems too new and pricey for Craigslist.

How would you handle the lien payoff?

He has the Honda cache' going for him so it should be an easy sell. I'm kind of out of my element here as my experience has been cash in the driveway deals.

That isn't going to be an easy sale. He is competing against new ones and for the small difference in price must buyers would go with new and avoid the risks of a "used" car. In addition if there is low financing available or a special lease rate it'll be even harder to oompete.

Still, advertise it in it might get snapped up!

I would certainly go new over a one year old private party sale for fear of abuse but I'm weird.

This is more my style for a low mileage PP sale.

https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/worth-every-penny/6503514764.html

I didn't want to be a scrooge so I didn't say anything. I would have said the same thing but I left that up to our bubble bursting, prior salesman, poster buddy @isellhondas. It's more fitting for him to be the heavy with stuff like this.

You never said why your nephew wanted to ditch his 2017 Civic. Maybe with that info some specific help could be provided but more than likely not. I never did understand why anyone would want to get rid of a perfectly good reliable car that was only a year old unless they just flat out couldn't afford it. Now, if he simply fell out of love with it, that kind of rationale will probably repeat itself. And I doubt anyone in here could help with that.

Just curious, did you offer to help or were you commandeered?

jmonroe

I'm not sure about you but when I ask a question I want to hear the truth and I don't want it sugar coated. I do have the experience and I fully understand the realities of trying to sell a one year old Honda especially a Civic. If that is "bubble bursting" than I apologize. I should have just remained silent and I knew it at the time!

I for one appreciate your frankness even if it's not always what I want to hear. I remember someone once telling me that people tend to play "20 Questions" and then take the answer that they wanted to hear even if it isn't the truth.

In the area of car sales I'll listen to any advice you care to offer.

isellhondas

Anyone else put off by the latest craze of putting chrome spoke wheels on almost any car from the 50's? Buick Skylarks had them from the factory but I don't ever remember seeing them other than that. I recently saw a set on a 1955 Plymouth and to me, anyway, it just looked wrong!

Besides, they would be a B***h to clean!

driver100

explorerx4 said:

I wouldn't worry too much about driver, He's probably just sore because Canada didn't get a gold in curling or ice hockey. He'll get over it in a few days.

Country Gold Silver Bronze Total
Norway 14 14 11 39
Germany 14 10 7 31
Canada 11 8 10 29
United States of America 9 8 6 23
Netherlands 8 6 6 20

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

"explorerx4"
I think you are a good candidate for an autonomous vehicle. Operating a car seems to be a challenge for you.
Personally, I'm with stickguy, unless a manual transmission, you just about never shift with the car in motion.
If it's not moving you don't need any hands on the wheel.
roadburner
Agreed!

I am taking a break....I am tired of the jackels coming out of the woodwork.

I always try to treat people with respect and dignity - there are a few people (very small few - most of you are great guys) who like to gang up and make these demeaning comments. I taught driving to high school students, so I probably know more than the posters who make the senseless comments.

I don't need that. Not my thing guys.

If I've said anything to hurt your feelings, I apologize. I think teasing is endemic in groups of old guys. You should hear the transporters go at each other when we're all in the van together.

I don't think anyone means to be cruel.

Oldfarmer....you always treat everyone here with respect.....except unscrupulous car dealers and CL sellers - which is most of them.

isellhondas

oldfarmer50 said:

isellhondas said:

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

isellhondas said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Ok, advice time.

My nephew wants to sell his 2017 Civic with under 10k miles. He still owes slightly north of $17k on it. Book is about $18k.

What would you reccommend as a marketing venue? Seems too new and pricey for Craigslist.

How would you handle the lien payoff?

He has the Honda cache' going for him so it should be an easy sell. I'm kind of out of my element here as my experience has been cash in the driveway deals.

That isn't going to be an easy sale. He is competing against new ones and for the small difference in price must buyers would go with new and avoid the risks of a "used" car. In addition if there is low financing available or a special lease rate it'll be even harder to oompete.

Still, advertise it in it might get snapped up!

I would certainly go new over a one year old private party sale for fear of abuse but I'm weird.

This is more my style for a low mileage PP sale.

https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/worth-every-penny/6503514764.html

I didn't want to be a scrooge so I didn't say anything. I would have said the same thing but I left that up to our bubble bursting, prior salesman, poster buddy @isellhondas. It's more fitting for him to be the heavy with stuff like this.

You never said why your nephew wanted to ditch his 2017 Civic. Maybe with that info some specific help could be provided but more than likely not. I never did understand why anyone would want to get rid of a perfectly good reliable car that was only a year old unless they just flat out couldn't afford it. Now, if he simply fell out of love with it, that kind of rationale will probably repeat itself. And I doubt anyone in here could help with that.

Just curious, did you offer to help or were you commandeered?

jmonroe

I'm not sure about you but when I ask a question I want to hear the truth and I don't want it sugar coated. I do have the experience and I fully understand the realities of trying to sell a one year old Honda especially a Civic. If that is "bubble bursting" than I apologize. I should have just remained silent and I knew it at the time!

I for one appreciate your frankness even if it's not always what I want to hear. I remember someone once telling me that people tend to play "20 Questions" and then take the answer that they wanted to hear even if it isn't the truth.

In the area of car sales I'll listen to any advice you care to offer.

Thank you for that. I appreciate it. A question was asked and based on 14 years of first hand experience I answered it. Our store used to put new Civic LX automatics in our rental car fleet. When theywere a year old, we rotated them out. We would make them Certified cars which adds value in the minds of many but for nearly the same price a new one could be bought. We sold every one so it wasn't impossible. It's perception more than anything else. " Wow, I can buy a year old Civic that's Certified and save 1000.00?? What a deal!

Me, I wouldn't care about the certified part and would buy the new one but, that's me!

snakeweasel

abacomike said:

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe said:

Ok, advice time. My nephew wants to sell his 2017 Civic with under 10k miles. He still owes slightly north of $17k on it. Book is about $18k. What would you reccommend as a marketing venue? Seems too new and pricey for Craigslist. How would you handle the lien payoff? He has the Honda cache' going for him so it should be an easy sell. I'm kind of out of my element here as my experience has been cash in the driveway deals.

That isn't going to be an easy sale. He is competing against new ones and for the small difference in price must buyers would go with new and avoid the risks of a "used" car. In addition if there is low financing available or a special lease rate it'll be even harder to oompete. Still, advertise it in it might get snapped up!

I would certainly go new over a one year old private party sale for fear of abuse but I'm weird. This is more my style for a low mileage PP sale. https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/worth-every-penny/6503514764.html

I didn't want to be a scrooge so I didn't say anything. I would have said the same thing but I left that up to our bubble bursting, prior salesman, poster buddy @isellhondas. It's more fitting for him to be the heavy with stuff like this. You never said why your nephew wanted to ditch his 2017 Civic. Maybe with that info some specific help could be provided but more than likely not. I never did understand why anyone would want to get rid of a perfectly good reliable car that was only a year old unless they just flat out couldn't afford it. Now, if he simply fell out of love with it, that kind of rationale will probably repeat itself. And I doubt anyone in here could help with that. Just curious, did you offer to help or were you commandeered? jmonroe

Some people want a new car every year. I have known people that every spring they had a brand new car.

Hmmmm, makes no sense - why buy a new car every year?  1 and 2 year old cars are just breaking in (from what people tell me!) 
  

It makes no sense to me, but there are people out there with so much money it's like water to them. Spending that money is nothing to them but they like a new and sometimes different car each year. 

imidazol97

I'm feeling like I missed something that happened in the forum... Not sure what it was.

At least other folks don't find their favored brand of car criticized for having a sloping rear window nor find their car criticized as having too little rear leg room, while other cars have less, and rear windows that slope as much or more. LOL

imidazol97

I had watched the curling on CNBC when US lost to Norway. I wasn't that impressed by the US skills at that time. But I relearned a lot about curling. Did everyone know that they sprinkle water drops on top of the ice, twice IIRC, to roughen the surface.

explorerx4

One of the kids my kids grew up with, worked locally so having a car made sense.
He bought a Jetta GLI.
Then he got a job in Boston and took the car with him for a few months.
Didn't need it to get to work, so paying for insurance, property taxes and maybe parking didn't make much sense.
Kept it at his parent's for a while, so parking was free, but finally decided better to just sell it.

snakeweasel

isellhondas said:

Ok, advice time. My nephew wants to sell his 2017 Civic with under 10k miles. He still owes slightly north of $17k on it. Book is about $18k. What would you reccommend as a marketing venue? Seems too new and pricey for Craigslist. How would you handle the lien payoff? He has the Honda cache' going for him so it should be an easy sell. I'm kind of out of my element here as my experience has been cash in the driveway deals.

That isn't going to be an easy sale. He is competing against new ones and for the small difference in price must buyers would go with new and avoid the risks of a "used" car. In addition if there is low financing available or a special lease rate it'll be even harder to oompete. Still, advertise it in it might get snapped up!

I would certainly go new over a one year old private party sale for fear of abuse but I'm weird. This is more my style for a low mileage PP sale. https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/worth-every-penny/6503514764.html

I didn't want to be a scrooge so I didn't say anything. I would have said the same thing but I left that up to our bubble bursting, prior salesman, poster buddy @isellhondas. It's more fitting for him to be the heavy with stuff like this. You never said why your nephew wanted to ditch his 2017 Civic. Maybe with that info some specific help could be provided but more than likely not. I never did understand why anyone would want to get rid of a perfectly good reliable car that was only a year old unless they just flat out couldn't afford it. Now, if he simply fell out of love with it, that kind of rationale will probably repeat itself. And I doubt anyone in here could help with that. Just curious, did you offer to help or were you commandeered? jmonroe

I'm not sure about you but when I ask a question I want to hear the truth and I don't want it sugar coated. I do have the experience and I fully understand the realities of trying to sell a one year old Honda especially a Civic. If that is "bubble bursting" than I apologize. I should have just remained silent and I knew it at the time!

I for one appreciate your frankness even if it's not always what I want to hear. I remember someone once telling me that people tend to play "20 Questions" and then take the answer that they wanted to hear even if it isn't the truth. In the area of car sales I'll listen to any advice you care to offer.

Thank you for that. I appreciate it. A question was asked and based on 14 years of first hand experience I answered it. Our store used to put new Civic LX automatics in our rental car fleet. When theywere a year old, we rotated them out. We would make them Certified cars which adds value in the minds of many but for nearly the same price a new one could be bought. We sold every one so it wasn't impossible. It's perception more than anything else. " Wow, I can buy a year old Civic that's Certified and save 1000.00?? What a deal! Me, I wouldn't care about the certified part and would buy the new one but, that's me!

I tend To agree with you I would spend the extra grand and get a new one with practically no miles. But if I can get that year old used one not certified for a few grand less then we could talk.

driver100

imidazol97 said:

I'm feeling like I missed something that happened in the forum... Not sure what it was.

At least other folks don't find their favored brand of car criticized for having a sloping rear window nor find their car criticized as having too little rear leg room, while other cars have less, and rear windows that slope as much or more. LOL

Imid, not sure if you are joking or not...but to be clear, it wasn't personal about the Malibu sloped window. I was shocked when I saw one pass and they made it so sloped, and not as wide across btw. Like I said at the time, I find most cars have gone this route....smaller windows in general. My 2017 is smaller than my 2015 was, and we didn't buy a C Class for Mrs D because of the smallish windows. One reason we got a 2014 C250 rather than a 2015 model was because Mrs D finds the vision front and back better.

Maybe these pictures will show you the difference in slope...couldn't find two going the same direction!

isellhondas

Not just a "few" grand or I would too. I would have them drop the Certification. It's a HONDA and I have no need for a long warranty. Still some people we used to call "warranty freaks". That term wasn't an insult. It just meant that "to them" the MOST important factor in buying a car was the warranty. Probably as the result of getting knocked in the head by a 5000.00 engine replacement!

It's all perception and everyone is different. I was always amazed! In 2007, Honda put LED brakelights in their Accords. For 95 percent of the buyers it was a ho hum sort of thing so Honda dropped them. Of course, the 5 percent that liked them raised hell on various forums.

tbirdmarco

You are welcome driver  do that to Daly  with life to not worth my time to get mad about and rooen. My day  only deal with those who are good in my life  

tbirdmarco

You are not crazy old farmer  just  what you  like  lol lol lol

driver100

tbirdmarco said:

You are welcome driver  do that to Daly  with life to not worth my time to get mad about and rooen. My day  only deal with those who are good in my life  

You are very wise Marco. It took me a lot longer than you to learn that rule in life.

houdini1

abacomike said:

Last night, I drove up to Palm Beach with a friend of mine who manages a Honda dealership down here.  He had passes to the Honda Classic in Palm Beach Gardens.  He had a suite at The Breakers so we stayed there last night.  The place is exquisite and quite plush.  

Spent the day at the Honda Classic and got a chance to see Justin Thomas play and followed Tiger Woods for a few holes.  We then went back to The Breakers for dinner.

It was s beautiful day - in the mid 80’s - but very windy out of the east southeast.  I really enjoyed seeing Tiger playing better golf, but I’m a big fan of Justin Thomas and Rory MacElroy.  Was quite enjoyable. 

Wish I could have been there with you. Instead I was chipping away the remaining ice on front steps. What a beautiful golf course.

pensfan83

I think I missed something too. I post actively on probably 6-8 different discussion boards at any given time and served as a moderator on one of them for a number of years. I can honestly say this is one of the more civil boards I belong to.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

One of the kids my kids grew up with, worked locally so having a car made sense.
He bought a Jetta GLI.
Then he got a job in Boston and took the car with him for a few months.
Didn't need it to get to work, so paying for insurance, property taxes and maybe parking didn't make much sense.
Kept it at his parent's for a while, so parking was free, but finally decided better to just sell it.

That's my nephew's situation. Unfortunately I usually don't sell cars until they are virtual scrap so my marketing techniques are different. "It actually starts" is not a selling point in a one year old car.

28firefighter

pensfan83 said:

I think I missed something too. I post actively on probably 6-8 different discussion boards at any given time and served as a moderator on one of them for a number of years. I can honestly say this is one of the more civil boards I belong to.

Seconded. 

thebean

jmonroe said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
I think you are a good candidate for an autonomous vehicle. Operating a car seems to be a challenge for you.
Personally, I'm with stickguy, unless a manual transmission, you just about never shift with the car in motion.
If it's not moving you don't need any hands on the wheel.

I pull up to my driveway, and i have to back in...or it will be very hard to get out...it is a curving driveway. I stop on the road, and without my hands leaving the steering wheel, I reach with my fingers and put the car in reverse. When I am backed in, I can reach the button on the small stick and press in...put the car in Park.

With a console shift I would have to seek out the shifter with my hand...possibly look down to locate it....twice, for finding reverse and park. Not a big deal, but, easier when it is right by my hand anyway. I know the difference, I have one car with the little column shifter....one on the console.

WOW, am I ever glad I finally figured out your problem. I don't think I could have slept a wink until I helped you.

I have diagnosed your problem as being a neck injury brought on by playing tennis. Therefore, I recommend abstinence from tennis until your neck has healed.

I would say your neck will be fully healed in about 2 weeks, give or take. Look at it this way, you won't lose any matches during this period but we will probably be even more inundated with your posts during this period so it won't be exactly painless for the rest of us but we'll just have to suck it up during your recovery period.

Most medical people would charge for this type of remote diagnosis but not me.

Good luck,

Dr. jmonroe

Can you get me some painkillers, doc?

Try a good bourbon, it really won't heal your neck any faster but it will make staying at home a lot more fun. 

That reminds me of what I heard a heavy drinker say years ago.

"I feel sorry for you folks who don't drink because when you wake up in the morning that's as good as you're going to feel all day".

Probably true.

jmonroe

Way back in the 70's, when I was single, I quit drinking for about six months. I was amazed at the improvement in the looks of the women I woke up next to. Sadly, it didn't last.

roadburner

pensfan83 said:

I think I missed something too. I post actively on probably 6-8 different discussion boards at any given time and served as a moderator on one of them for a number of years. I can honestly say this is one of the more civil boards I belong to.

Exactly, check out mazdaspeedforums.org for an example of a board where a very thick skin is mandatory...

driver100

isellhondas said:

oldfarmer50 said:

isellhondas said:

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

isellhondas said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Ok, advice time.

My nephew wants to sell his 2017 Civic with under 10k miles. He still owes slightly north of $17k on it. Book is about $18k.

What would you reccommend as a marketing venue? Seems too new and pricey for Craigslist.

How would you handle the lien payoff?

He has the Honda cache' going for him so it should be an easy sell. I'm kind of out of my element here as my experience has been cash in the driveway deals.

That isn't going to be an easy sale. He is competing against new ones and for the small difference in price must buyers would go with new and avoid the risks of a "used" car. In addition if there is low financing available or a special lease rate it'll be even harder to oompete.

Still, advertise it in it might get snapped up!

I would certainly go new over a one year old private party sale for fear of abuse but I'm weird.

This is more my style for a low mileage PP sale.

https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/worth-every-penny/6503514764.html

I didn't want to be a scrooge so I didn't say anything. I would have said the same thing but I left that up to our bubble bursting, prior salesman, poster buddy @isellhondas. It's more fitting for him to be the heavy with stuff like this.

You never said why your nephew wanted to ditch his 2017 Civic. Maybe with that info some specific help could be provided but more than likely not. I never did understand why anyone would want to get rid of a perfectly good reliable car that was only a year old unless they just flat out couldn't afford it. Now, if he simply fell out of love with it, that kind of rationale will probably repeat itself. And I doubt anyone in here could help with that.

Just curious, did you offer to help or were you commandeered?

jmonroe

I'm not sure about you but when I ask a question I want to hear the truth and I don't want it sugar coated. I do have the experience and I fully understand the realities of trying to sell a one year old Honda especially a Civic. If that is "bubble bursting" than I apologize. I should have just remained silent and I knew it at the time!

I for one appreciate your frankness even if it's not always what I want to hear. I remember someone once telling me that people tend to play "20 Questions" and then take the answer that they wanted to hear even if it isn't the truth.

In the area of car sales I'll listen to any advice you care to offer.

Thank you for that. I appreciate it. A question was asked and based on 14 years of first hand experience I answered it. Our store used to put new Civic LX automatics in our rental car fleet. When theywere a year old, we rotated them out. We would make them Certified cars which adds value in the minds of many but for nearly the same price a new one could be bought. We sold every one so it wasn't impossible. It's perception more than anything else. " Wow, I can buy a year old Civic that's Certified and save 1000.00?? What a deal!

Me, I wouldn't care about the certified part and would buy the new one but, that's me!

Isell, I would agree, not too worried about a year old Honda being certified or not. I would sure want a certified 1 year old MB though. Our 3 year old model had a 125 point inspection and I wouldn't buy it without knowing I was going to get at least a year or two of trouble free driving. Too much could go wrong.

But save $1000 buying a one year old car....when the depreciation is knocking off $3 or $4000 doesn't make sense.

nyccarguy

I am amazed at how well Hondas hold their value.  Forget year old Honda's.  I got $10,500 for my wife's Pilot that was 6 1/2 years old & had 102K miles on it.  What did they do, sell it to one of their mechanics for $12K?  To a local BHPH lot for $11,500?

roadburner

All the truly off road capable SUVs(save Land Rovers) also hold their value- 4Runners, Wranglers, Xterras...

explorerx4

A lot of vehicles get sent overseas. Not sure about a Pilot. I think it's a North American only model.

abacomike

snakeweasel said:

abacomike said:

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe said:

Ok, advice time. My nephew wants to sell his 2017 Civic with under 10k miles. He still owes slightly north of $17k on it. Book is about $18k. What would you reccommend as a marketing venue? Seems too new and pricey for Craigslist. How would you handle the lien payoff? He has the Honda cache' going for him so it should be an easy sell. I'm kind of out of my element here as my experience has been cash in the driveway deals.

That isn't going to be an easy sale. He is competing against new ones and for the small difference in price must buyers would go with new and avoid the risks of a "used" car. In addition if there is low financing available or a special lease rate it'll be even harder to oompete. Still, advertise it in it might get snapped up!

I would certainly go new over a one year old private party sale for fear of abuse but I'm weird. This is more my style for a low mileage PP sale. https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/worth-every-penny/6503514764.html

I didn't want to be a scrooge so I didn't say anything. I would have said the same thing but I left that up to our bubble bursting, prior salesman, poster buddy @isellhondas. It's more fitting for him to be the heavy with stuff like this. You never said why your nephew wanted to ditch his 2017 Civic. Maybe with that info some specific help could be provided but more than likely not. I never did understand why anyone would want to get rid of a perfectly good reliable car that was only a year old unless they just flat out couldn't afford it. Now, if he simply fell out of love with it, that kind of rationale will probably repeat itself. And I doubt anyone in here could help with that. Just curious, did you offer to help or were you commandeered? jmonroe

Some people want a new car every year. I have known people that every spring they had a brand new car.

Hmmmm, makes no sense - why buy a new car every year?  1 and 2 year old cars are just breaking in (from what people tell me!) 
  

It makes no sense to me, but there are people out there with so much money it's like water to them. Spending that money is nothing to them but they like a new and sometimes different car each year. 

I wouldn’t know! 

In actuality, if I wasn’t able to get a new car for hundreds, and sometimes thousands, below invoice, i’d Still have my 2009 MB E350.

isellhondas

nyccarguy said:

I am amazed at how well Hondas hold their value.  Forget year old Honda's.  I got $10,500 for my wife's Pilot that was 6 1/2 years old & had 102K miles on it.  What did they do, sell it to one of their mechanics for $12K?  To a local BHPH lot for $11,500?

My guess would be that they did any deferred maintenance that was needed. They detailed it inside and out to make it sparkle. They probably dropped 1500.00 into it and retailed it for close to 14,000. The question is did they REALLY give you 10,500 for it or did they over or underallow to show you a trade value that you liked or a price on the new car that you really liked? 10,500 sounds about right. Wasn't it due for a timing belt etc?

tbirdmarco

 Thank you driver 100 learned that number of years ha ha never too late 

tbirdmarco

 Yes it’s crazy how them and to euros holder value nuts 

ab348

snakeweasel said:

It makes no sense to me, but there are people out there with so much money it's like water to them. Spending that money is nothing to them but they like a new and sometimes different car each year. 

Cars are cheap compared to property. Here's one I stumbled onto today, though it probably will work out profitably for whomever the owner is.

I went down an internet wormhole looking at houses of movie stars. One of them brought up Randolph Scott's house in Beverly Hills, at 156 Copley Place backing on the L.A. Country Club, which he apparently had built in 1950. His widow lived there until she died in 2004 and then the estate put the house up for sale. It had an asking of $6 million but ultimately sold for just over $8 million. About 1 acre of land. The new owners tore down the house and built a giant mansion. Estimated values, depending on which website you believe, are from $24 million to $60 million. There seems some question about who owns it as well, either a vascular surgeon, an artist, or a movie company executive. The oddest thing is that Google Streetview blurs out the image of the house. I've seen that with people in their images, but never entire houses. I found a picture elsewhere.




They can probably afford to get a few new cars every year.

imidazol97

This has to be a first. Several on here have mentioned flying places.

My son flew from DAY international to DCA Reagan today and the flight took off on TIME and landed on TIME, actually 1 minute early. He has flown many times in the last 3 years for work and once for pleasure and a few times earlier while doing job interviews. I have never, never seen his plane land on time and maybe once the plane took off within 5 minutes of the scheduled time.

fintail

This is the new Belle Epoque (recall how the last one ended), there's plenty of money floating around, and real estate is key money laundering vehicle, especially on the west coast, and certain east coast developments.

Interesting cars in that pic - a Rogue, and a pretty normal looking E-class.

Here's a nice vacant lot for sale in my zipcode

ab348 said:

snakeweasel said:

There seems some question about who owns it as well, either a vascular surgeon, an artist, or a movie company executive. The oddest thing is that Google Streetview blurs out the image of the house. I've seen that with people in their images, but never entire houses. I found a picture elsewhere.
They can probably afford to get a few new cars every year.

Michaell

thebean said:

oldfarmer50 said:

@driver100, I think you are a good candidate for an autonomous vehicle. Operating a car seems to be a challenge for you. Personally, I'm with stickguy, unless a manual transmission, you just about never shift with the car in motion. If it's not moving you don't need any hands on the wheel.

I pull up to my driveway, and i have to back in...or it will be very hard to get out...it is a curving driveway. I stop on the road, and without my hands leaving the steering wheel, I reach with my fingers and put the car in reverse. When I am backed in, I can reach the button on the small stick and press in...put the car in Park. With a console shift I would have to seek out the shifter with my hand...possibly look down to locate it....twice, for finding reverse and park. Not a big deal, but, easier when it is right by my hand anyway. I know the difference, I have one car with the little column shifter....one on the console.

WOW, am I ever glad I finally figured out your problem. I don't think I could have slept a wink until I helped you. I have diagnosed your problem as being a neck injury brought on by playing tennis. Therefore, I recommend abstinence from tennis until your neck has healed. I would say your neck will be fully healed in about 2 weeks, give or take. Look at it this way, you won't lose any matches during this period but we will probably be even more inundated with your posts during this period so it won't be exactly painless for the rest of us but we'll just have to suck it up during your recovery period. Most medical people would charge for this type of remote diagnosis but not me. Good luck, Dr. jmonroe

Can you get me some painkillers, doc?

Try a good bourbon, it really won't heal your neck any faster but it will make staying at home a lot more fun. 

That reminds me of what I heard a heavy drinker say years ago. "I feel sorry for you folks who don't drink because when you wake up in the morning that's as good as you're going to feel all day". Probably true. jmonroe

Way back in the 70's, when I was single, I quit drinking for about six months. I was amazed at the improvement in the looks of the women I woke up next to. Sadly, it didn't last.

What does Mrs J have to say about that?

ab348

fintail said:

Interesting cars in that pic - a Rogue, and a pretty normal looking E-class.

Probably the maid and the gardener.

BTW, your neighbors would be Mr. and Mrs. Lionel Richie.

thebean

Michaell said:

thebean said:

oldfarmer50 said:

@driver100, I think you are a good candidate for an autonomous vehicle. Operating a car seems to be a challenge for you. Personally, I'm with stickguy, unless a manual transmission, you just about never shift with the car in motion. If it's not moving you don't need any hands on the wheel.

I pull up to my driveway, and i have to back in...or it will be very hard to get out...it is a curving driveway. I stop on the road, and without my hands leaving the steering wheel, I reach with my fingers and put the car in reverse. When I am backed in, I can reach the button on the small stick and press in...put the car in Park. With a console shift I would have to seek out the shifter with my hand...possibly look down to locate it....twice, for finding reverse and park. Not a big deal, but, easier when it is right by my hand anyway. I know the difference, I have one car with the little column shifter....one on the console.

WOW, am I ever glad I finally figured out your problem. I don't think I could have slept a wink until I helped you. I have diagnosed your problem as being a neck injury brought on by playing tennis. Therefore, I recommend abstinence from tennis until your neck has healed. I would say your neck will be fully healed in about 2 weeks, give or take. Look at it this way, you won't lose any matches during this period but we will probably be even more inundated with your posts during this period so it won't be exactly painless for the rest of us but we'll just have to suck it up during your recovery period. Most medical people would charge for this type of remote diagnosis but not me. Good luck, Dr. jmonroe

Can you get me some painkillers, doc?

Try a good bourbon, it really won't heal your neck any faster but it will make staying at home a lot more fun. 

That reminds me of what I heard a heavy drinker say years ago. "I feel sorry for you folks who don't drink because when you wake up in the morning that's as good as you're going to feel all day". Probably true. jmonroe

Way back in the 70's, when I was single, I quit drinking for about six months. I was amazed at the improvement in the looks of the women I woke up next to. Sadly, it didn't last.

What does Mrs J have to say about that?

Mrs Bean wasn't in the picture then, and what she doesn't know won't hurt me.

abacomike

Speaking of “drinking”, I was at my liquor store this afternoon to get some Cognac for some friends who are coming over later this evening.  I wanted to get a bottle of scotch, but they were out of Glenlivet Scotch - 12 year old.  The cashier suggested a bottle of Glenfiddich 12-year old single malt which was on sale today.  So I got a bottle.  I’ve never had that brand, so I thought I’d try it.

Anyone have any experience with it?

fintail

I am surprised they allowed such plebian cars to be used in an image. Not sure if the neighbors would be a good thing or not.

Regarding the blurred houses, one can contact Google and request this. In Germany, where tinfoil-hat paranoia is almost a hobby, it is common.

ab348 said:

Probably the maid and the gardener.

BTW, your neighbors would be Mr. and Mrs. Lionel Richie.

fintail

I don't recall others, but I only mentioned the Malibu in terms of Audi-esque styling. When a regrettable "real people" ad makes the comparison, I think it is fair game

imidazol97 said:

I'm feeling like I missed something that happened in the forum... Not sure what it was.

At least other folks don't find their favored brand of car criticized for having a sloping rear window nor find their car criticized as having too little rear leg room, while other cars have less, and rear windows that slope as much or more. LOL

ab348

abacomike said:

Speaking of “drinking”, I was at my liquor store this afternoon to get some Cognac for some friends who are coming over later this evening.  I wanted to get a bottle of scotch, but they were out of Glenlivet Scotch - 12 year old.  The cashier suggested a bottle of Glenfiddich 12-year old single malt which was on sale today.  So I got a bottle.  I’ve never had that brand, so I thought I’d try it.

Anyone have any experience with it?

Find a better-quality liquor store.

Mr_Shiftright

ab348 said:

abacomike said:

Speaking of “drinking”, I was at my liquor store this afternoon to get some Cognac for some friends who are coming over later this evening.  I wanted to get a bottle of scotch, but they were out of Glenlivet Scotch - 12 year old.  The cashier suggested a bottle of Glenfiddich 12-year old single malt which was on sale today.  So I got a bottle.  I’ve never had that brand, so I thought I’d try it.

Anyone have any experience with it?

Find a better-quality liquor store.

Oh, c'mon, it's very good for the price.

Sandman6472

OF, doubt that I will take the Enterprise gig as they want me for 25/week but am already doing over 30 for Hertz. That means working every day except Sunday which is going to be an issue. As much as I want the extra income for very personal reasons, putting my health on the line just doesn't make sense. Have had much time to think since I've been in bed with the flu since Monday night, at my age just seems nuts to spread myself that way. Plus, my spinal issues basically tell me what I can and cannot do very quickly...and they're telling me to stay the course going forward.
Will give this decision a couple days to perculate as my family thinks I'm a bit nuts even thinking about adding any more hours, but do enjoy these driving gigs so much!! So will think hard and ask G-d for his guidance going forward as he will show me the way, the way he wants it to be!!

The Sandman

ab348

Mr_Shiftright said:

c'mon, it's very good for the price.

Not a product I've ever been a fan of. The 15 is miles better.