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stickguy

I still find it very odd to elect judges. And positions like DA.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

Thieves don't bother steeling wannabees. If your going to steel a car you might as well go all out and take a Benz, the jail time if you get caught is about the same.

You've got that right. I've never worried that my Genny wouldn't be right where I parked it. Might have some spit on it but it's always been there. jmonroe

A good reason to buy a Gennie..........salesman told me it was less likely to be stolen. I can't copy this British list of top 10 cars stolen but number one is M.B. C. Class. Rest of top 10 is mostly M.B. BMW, and Range Rover, one V.W. and one Audi. No Gennies.....even thieves don't want fakes!

Looks like in the U.S. it's Honda. 

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/best-cars-blog/2016/08/the-10-cars-that-get-stolen-the-most

Not a luxury car on the list. IIRC most cars are stolen for parts so it makes sense that more popular cars will be more likely to be stolen. 

ab348

driver100 said:

I can't copy this British list of top 10 cars stolen but number one is M.B. C. Class. Rest of top 10 is mostly M.B. BMW, and Range Rover, one V.W. and one Audi.

Obviously their anti-theft and security measures are deficient. Odd. You think the Germans would engineer those things like bank vaults.

I remember when the #1 stolen vehicles were anything made in the '80s/early '90s by Chrysler. Apparently their steering column locks could be overcome just by looking at them sideways.

driver100

USA is very different, top 10 stolen cars are American and Japanese, Accord, Civic, also in top 10 F150, Silverado, Jeep, Corolla etc.
European thieves are more particular.....The want better handling.

thebean

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

Thieves don't bother steeling wannabees. If your going to steel a car you might as well go all out and take a Benz, the jail time if you get caught is about the same.

You've got that right. I've never worried that my Genny wouldn't be right where I parked it. Might have some spit on it but it's always been there. jmonroe

A good reason to buy a Gennie..........salesman told me it was less likely to be stolen. I can't copy this British list of top 10 cars stolen but number one is M.B. C. Class. Rest of top 10 is mostly M.B. BMW, and Range Rover, one V.W. and one Audi. No Gennies.....even thieves don't want fakes!

Looks like in the U.S. it's Honda. 

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/best-cars-blog/2016/08/the-10-cars-that-get-stolen-the-most

Not a luxury car on the list. IIRC most cars are stolen for parts so it makes sense that more popular cars will be more likely to be stolen. 

Even thieves know the quality, great engineering and value of a Honda.

ab348

driver100 said:

USA is very different, top 10 stolen cars are American and Japanese, Accord, Civic, also in top 10 F150, Silverado, Jeep, Corolla etc.
European thieves are more particular.....The want better handling.

Make a fast getaway easier, until it breaks down on the M1.

sda

About a week ago there was some discussion about the VW Fox.  The Fox was my first brand new car, traded for a Wolfsburg Cabriolet.  I wish I still had that car as a weekend fun car.  I found a picture of my '90 Passat, remember those?  Pics didn't load in order, dash pic is the Fox.

stickguy

I actually would not mind one of those Rabbit convertibles. Just not in triple white! A dark blue way, beige interior, and with a set of GTI style wheels. That would work.

driver100

Fox looks good, probably looks better than it was.
I like those square shaped Passats....my kind of car design
Cabriolet great looking little convertible.
Interior is attractive, nice seats and door panels. Who is in the mirror?

stickguy

that passat reminded me of the 412 style wise. Hopefully was built better though, since the 412 was a despicable car.

I thought that generation passat looked good when they swapped out the plain nose for an actual grill.

qbrozen

Stolen cars:
Being that top stolen cars closely mirrors top selling cars, my money has always been on convenience rather than any desire as the reason for stealing one over the other.

snakeweasel

thebean said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

Thieves don't bother steeling wannabees. If your going to steel a car you might as well go all out and take a Benz, the jail time if you get caught is about the same.

You've got that right. I've never worried that my Genny wouldn't be right where I parked it. Might have some spit on it but it's always been there. jmonroe

A good reason to buy a Gennie..........salesman told me it was less likely to be stolen. I can't copy this British list of top 10 cars stolen but number one is M.B. C. Class. Rest of top 10 is mostly M.B. BMW, and Range Rover, one V.W. and one Audi. No Gennies.....even thieves don't want fakes!

Looks like in the U.S. it's Honda. 

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/best-cars-blog/2016/08/the-10-cars-that-get-stolen-the-most

Not a luxury car on the list. IIRC most cars are stolen for parts so it makes sense that more popular cars will be more likely to be stolen. 

Even thieves know the quality, great engineering and value of a Honda.

Well if they are being stolen due to a demand in spare parts than what does that say for their engineering?

suydam

abacomike said:

ab348 said:

I was watching the tournament and they said that a wayward shot by Webb Simpson caught some guy right in the gut and bounced back into play. Maybe that was Mike.

OK, you guys!  I am so thrilled you all had fun with my life’s misfortunes   From “belly ricochets” on errant drives on the course to golf umbrella beatings in the PGA market to getting hit in the head with a golf ball.  This is my lot in life - to make everyone laugh at “The Perils of Michael”!  Hope you got a kick out of the jokes - I SURE DID!  

It turned out to be a great day - that 12th hole par 4 at 288 yards was exciting as was the Island Green.

We’re having dinner at Caffe Andiamo right at the main entrance to TPC Sawgrass - superior Italian food - several golfers and their families are here.  It’s really exciting being here in the middle of one of the best tournaments on the PGA Tour.  And, nothing happened out of the ordinary - oops - forgot about that darn snake bite - otherwise uneventful. 




Actually I’m quite jealous! That’s a fabulous golf tournament and I would love to be there!

houdini1

jmonroe said:

ab348 said:

I was watching the tournament and they said that a wayward shot by Webb Simpson caught some guy right in the gut and bounced back into play. Maybe that was Mike.

Some might say Mike screwed up again but I'm all for giving him credit for keeping the ball in play.

We'll have to ask our resident golfer @houdini1 what the official ruling on this should be.

jmonroe

No penalty involved. When something unlikely and unexpectedly occurs during the course of play, and results in good fortune for the player, the event is know as a "Mongolian Turnaround". A classic example would be where the first player hits his tee shot a couple of inches from the hole for a sure birdie that will win the match for him. Then the second player hits a terrible shot into the trees, but the ball bounces onto the green and into the hole. Player 2 goes from abject despair to glorious victory.

jmonroe

houdini1 said:

jmonroe said:

ab348 said:

I was watching the tournament and they said that a wayward shot by Webb Simpson caught some guy right in the gut and bounced back into play. Maybe that was Mike.

Some might say Mike screwed up again but I'm all for giving him credit for keeping the ball in play.

We'll have to ask our resident golfer @houdini1 what the official ruling on this should be.

jmonroe

No penalty involved. When something unlikely and unexpectedly occurs during the course of play, and results in good fortune for the player, the event is know as a "Mongolian Turnaround". A classic example would be where the first player hits his tee shot a couple of inches from the hole for a sure birdie that will win the match for him. Then the second player hits a terrible shot into the trees, but the ball bounces onto the green and into the hole. Player 2 goes from abject despair to glorious victory.

TMI

In any case, Mike still has another chance to screw it up today.

jmonroe

stickguy

I was watching for a while yesterday. Looked beautiful, but really crowded.

venture

We were out running around last evening and stopped at Chili's for dinner. I forgot how cold they keep it in there. We left and went elsewhere. I was wondering why it is always so cold and found, on prevention.com, that the reason is because by lowering the room temperature by 10 degrees it boosts food consumption by 20%.

One group went out and got jackets and sweatshirts out of their car. We just spent our money across the street.

oldfarmer50

Here's a question.

I was watching Goss's Garage on Motorweek and he recommends a transmission flush (not fluid exchange) every 24-36k miles. I thought I was OCD at 50k intervals. Goss claims up to 4x longer life.

Opinions?

stickguy

won't hurt, but does seem like overkill for most cars.

Mr_Shiftright

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

Thieves don't bother steeling wannabees.

If your going to steel a car you might as well go all out and take a Benz, the jail time if you get caught is about the same.

You've got that right. I've never worried that my Genny wouldn't be right where I parked it. Might have some spit on it but it's always been there.

jmonroe

A good reason to buy a Gennie..........salesman told me it was less likely to be stolen.

I can't copy this British list of top 10 cars stolen but number one is M.B. C. Class. Rest of top 10 is mostly M.B. BMW, and Range Rover, one V.W. and one Audi.
No Gennies.....even thieves don't want fakes!

Looks like in the U.S. it's Honda. 

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/best-cars-blog/2016/08/the-10-cars-that-get-stolen-the-most

Not a luxury car on the list. IIRC most cars are stolen for parts so it makes sense that more popular cars will be more likely to be stolen. 

Well that list is good news, compared to 5 years ago---people are starting once again to Steal American! Just a little more effort and we can top the list.

roadburner

stickguy said:

I still find it very odd to elect judges. And positions like DA.

Having been appointed to my first judgeship(to fill a vacancy pending an election), let me assure you that more political machinations go on behind the scenes of the appointment process. And based on my attempt to be appointed Commonwealth's Attorney, nowadays the politicians only make a halfhearted attempt to hide the fact that the fix is in...

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

Here's a question.

I was watching Goss's Garage on Motorweek and he recommends a transmission flush (not fluid exchange) every 24-36k miles. I thought I was OCD at 50k intervals. Goss claims up to 4x longer life.

Opinions?

If I were selling transmission flushes that's what I'd say too.

jmonroe

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

Here's a question.

I was watching Goss's Garage on Motorweek and he recommends a transmission flush (not fluid exchange) every 24-36k miles. I thought I was OCD at 50k intervals. Goss claims up to 4x longer life.

Opinions?

He's not a particularly reliable source. For example, ZF only calls for a 60,000 mile drain and fill-no flush-on most of their automatics.

qbrozen

oldfarmer50 said:

Here's a question.

I was watching Goss's Garage on Motorweek and he recommends a transmission flush (not fluid exchange) every 24-36k miles. I thought I was OCD at 50k intervals. Goss claims up to 4x longer life.

Opinions?

well, "up to 4x longer life" is the trick, right? Kind of like when a store advertises "up to 80% off," you know full well that is probably on one floor model item. 4x on a Chrysler trans? Yeah, maybe. A Camry transmission? Probably not.

iluvmysephia1

I like how Toyota has put that body-colored piece in the lower end of the grille up front that slants up on the ends. Nice. It's obvious that I'm gonna like this car, anyone notice the big gaping maw in the front? Sort of like the Scion iA/Toyota Yaris iA, only this time they added that piece down there to break up the lower end of the fishface a bit. Enthralling, it really is.

It's gonna sell like hotcakes for Toyota. Maybe by the time the 2011 Kia Soul is nearing 175,000 miles I'll consider buying a gently-used one. The Kia now has 99,478 miles on it. I live about a third of a mile from my work and we don't head out onto the highway all that often, so the miles are gonna rack up very slowly for us.

This article I'm reading now says that the Corolla sedan won't be refreshed until 2020. This new Corolla hatchback sits on the TNGA platform. At 170" long, it's actually 13" shorter than the existing Corolla sedan.



That rear end is made of resin, they designed in too many creases, folds, curves and what-chee-moos into it to be able to bend a metal version of it, so they had to mold it out of resin. Of course I love that rearend, including the exhaust tips down there. What's not ta like?

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/268467-2019-toyota-corolla-hatchback-review-more-tech-more-vroom-less-room

stickguy

interesting looking. Same size as the Hyundia Elantra GT hatch.

iluvmysephia1

interesting looking. Same size as the Hyundia Elantra GT hatch.

It's got some interesting tech built into it's engine and transmission, too. I would buy the manual, of course, but the guy I watched this morning on a YouTube test-drive video said that the CVT is smooth and fun to drive, too. This replaces the Toyota Corolla iM, which was the Scion iM, and it was priced at around $18,995 for the stick version. I'm thinking this one will price out at around the same for the stick SE model.

ab348

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Here's a question.

I was watching Goss's Garage on Motorweek and he recommends a transmission flush (not fluid exchange) every 24-36k miles. I thought I was OCD at 50k intervals. Goss claims up to 4x longer life.

Opinions?

He's not a particularly reliable source. For example, ZF only calls for a 60,000 mile drain and fill-no flush-on most of their automatics.

I had always heard that transmission flushes were not particularly good for the transmission.

iluvmysephia1

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/268467-2019-toyota-corolla-hatchback-review-more-tech-more-vroom-less-room

From the article above I have just learned some very interesting tech information about the 8" screen to the right of the steering wheel and the apps and equipment available. The following is clipped from that article.

Good Infotainment System
The entry SE includes Toyota Entune 3.0 (the umbrella term for Toyota infotainment); an 8-inch color center stack LCD; Entune 3.0 App Suite Connect that lets you use apps such as Pandora, Slacker, Yelp, Pandora and Scout navigation via the car’s controls; Safety Connect, Toyota’s Verizon-powered telematics system; in-car Wi-Fi; and Apple CarPlay, but not Android Auto until Toyota is satisfied Android protects user privacy. There are two USB jacks and an aux port.

The next level up for audio is called Entune Audio Plus; it’s standard on XSE, optional on SE CVT, and adds satellite radio, HD radio, and weather/traffic info. Finally, Entune Audio Premium on the CVT SXE adds on-board navigation, a JBL 800-watt, eight speaker audio array, and Clari-Fi (which fleshes out low-bit-rate digital music).

All-new or refreshed Toyotas with Entune support SmartDevice Link (SDL), a way for smartphones to connect to vehicles and use the center stack display instead of the phone display. Ford and Toyota are the primary proponents of SDL; Ford calls it AppLink. What once seemed like a disadvantage, that SDL isn’t Android Auto or Apple CarPlay, has turned into an advantage because the automaker has direct control of the device’s security; it isn’t relying on Apple or Google to protect the privacy of the phones connected to the car. One reason to like SmartDevice Link is that additional apps would be available. For instance, suppose you want Waze running instead of Apple Maps; with SDL you could.

The above bolded italic section is key to why the infotainment section of the 2019 Toyota Corolla is going to totally rock the house. I will be able to sync up my Motorola Moto g smart phone with Entune to the entertainment center and play apps off my phone. Until someone comes along and tells me I can't, that is. With tech you have to state things somewhat tongue in cheek until you actually do them yourself, in your own car. If I ever do buy a '19 and/on Toyota Corolla hatch, there will no doubt be a YouTube video explaining the sync-up of your Android phone and its app.'s. The Corolla hatch already comes with Apply CarPlay, the legalities of acquiring Android Auto no doubt got too costly, annoying or inaccessible for Toyota so they just punted the idea.

But reading down to the end of the linked extremetech.com article proved to be most interesting and promising for potential '19 and/on Toyota Corolla hatchback purchasers that run an Android smartphone. It only makes sense, Toyota doesn't remind me of the kind of carmaker that would alienate a large portion of the carbuying public on purpose.

explorerx4

@iluvmysephia1,
The assumption in that article is that Toyota is better at security than the Apple/Android developers.
Kind of doubt that.

fintail

Relative to total market sales, C and 3er sell a lot more there than here. They are much more like an ordinary car. The super-lux brand identity of these makes is very much an American construct. In the UK or on the continent, a normal MB or BMW is nothing special, and nobody cares.

I suspect the Genesis isn't even sold in the UK nor much or all of Europe. They don't want large-ish sedans that aren't diesels, and most Asian makes have done a marginal job at best with diesel passenger car. Back in the day, Kia tried to market the Amanti in Europe (as the Opirus), pricing it at basic E-class money. It was a complete failure.

driver100 said:

A good reason to buy a Gennie..........salesman told me it was less likely to be stolen.

I can't copy this British list of top 10 cars stolen but number one is M.B. C. Class. Rest of top 10 is mostly M.B. BMW, and Range Rover, one V.W. and one Audi.
No Gennies.....even thieves don't want fakes!

fintail

Those are all quite rare now. I can't recall when I last saw a snub nosed Passat on the road. This being the PNW, there are still some Fox and Cabrios around. I recall that generation of Passat had a rep for reliability like old Audis.

sda said:

About a week ago there was some discussion about the VW Fox.  The Fox was my first brand new car, traded for a Wolfsburg Cabriolet.  I wish I still had that car as a weekend fun car.  I found a picture of my '90 Passat, remember those?  Pics didn't load in order, dash pic is the Fox.

fintail

Looks like it crashed well, anyway. That's a 2007-09 model. Does NS use the same odd quasi-monopoly insurance model as BC?

ab348 said:

This will probably get @driver100 all riled up again. Another bad day locally for a M-B driver, but this time a bit different:

Worst thing is that the impact ruptured the heating oil tank for the house and not only is that property now contaminated, apparently one or more properties downhill from it also got some. That will be very expensive to remedy. Hope that Benz has liability insurance.

iluvmysephia1

@iluvmysephia1,
The assumption in that article is that Toyota is better at security than the Apple/Android developers.
Kind of doubt that.

Or they're tired of waiting for the right lawyer-eeze agreement regarding whether or not Android Auto will protect user privacy. See below.

The entry SE includes Toyota Entune 3.0 (the umbrella term for Toyota infotainment); an 8-inch color center stack LCD; Entune 3.0 App Suite Connect that lets you use apps such as Pandora, Slacker, Yelp, Pandora and Scout navigation via the car’s controls; Safety Connect, Toyota’s Verizon-powered telematics system; in-car Wi-Fi; and Apple CarPlay, but not Android Auto until Toyota is satisfied Android protects user privacy. There are two USB jacks and an aux port.

When it's all over and the proverbial fat lady has sung, I wouldn't let something like car entertainment cloud my purchase choices. Not even close - this car is stock full of solid mechanical engineering, and that will always trump entertainment choices available at the time.

ab348

fintail said:

Looks like it crashed well, anyway. That's a 2007-09 model. Does NS use the same odd quasi-monopoly insurance model as BC?

ab348 said:

This will probably get @driver100 all riled up again. Another bad day locally for a M-B driver, but this time a bit different:

Worst thing is that the impact ruptured the heating oil tank for the house and not only is that property now contaminated, apparently one or more properties downhill from it also got some. That will be very expensive to remedy. Hope that Benz has liability insurance.

No, we have private-sector insurance here. But that car has got Ontario plates. Also private-sector there.

iluvmysephia1

Ahh, the 1966 VW Fastback in baby blue. The car Dad taught me how to drive a stick-shift in. I'm so glad he was a persistent teacher. That car was light and fun ta drive - I sort of wish I had it these days.

isellhondas

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:

nyccarguy said:

Our 2017 Pilot Touring didn’t come equipped with a trailer hitch.  Apparently Honda had some problems with grenading 9-Speed Automatics.  So if you want to tow with your Pilot, they want a hitch, wiring harness, & transmission oil cooler.  I was going to just go ahead an order and OEM Honda trailer hitch, but while I was looking, I found a company called E-Trailer.  They showed a trailer hitch by a company named Curtis. They make an American made trailer hitch that was a lot cheaper than the OEM Honda hitch.  Then I put that number in Amazon and found it even cheaper.  I paid about $150 including shipping.  

It it took me a little over an hour to install.

Carrying bikes shouldn't be a problem. Hopefully you do not encounter unrelated transmission problems down the road though. A dealer may see the hitch sans oil cooler and claim that was the cause.

I would think an oil cooler on vehicles known to have tranny falures would be a good idea regardless of towing"

Good point. I remember the mid-late '80s GM front-drive B-bodies (Delta 88/LeSabre) were notorious for going through transmissions like snack food. A fellow I used to work with bought an '86 Delta new, installed a trans oil cooler as a matter of routine, and kept it on the original trans for 20 years. He always said that was the reason it lasted.

It sounds like you're talking about those 200 transmissions GM used in the mid-late 70's. They were junk originally designed for the 6 cylinder compacts until some bean counters at GM decided they would work just fine in full sized models. Some lasted quite awhile but most didn't hold up. The transmission shops loved them!

If I'm in the market for a used car and I see a hitch on the back I usually run the other way especially if 'it's a Class 3 hitch on a passenger car. I don't care how tough a car is, towing is hell on a car. If the manual says it can tow 2500 pounds, yes it probably "can". I've seen Odysseys just run into ground pulling heavy trailers lden with camping equipment, firewood and the like. A heavy duty transmission cooler can make a big difference along with regular transmission fluid changes. Notice I didn't use the word "flush" and you shouldn't either!

I don't mind bicycle hitches ASSUMING that's all they were used for!

isellhondas

thebean said:

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

bwia said:

For men of means---so the ad says anyway. So how do I get my wife to get me this birthday gift.

Nice watch...but for my next one I want the day of the week too....when you get to be a senior it is easy to forget what day of the week it is.

I have a Seiko Glow Dial analog quartz watch that I bought in Los Angeles when I lived in the San Fernando Valley back in 1997.  I wear it from 2:00 PM to 9:00 AM (mainly for night because the dial is iridescent).  The watch runs perfectly and it shows the day and the date.  I paid $75.00 for it.  All I have done to it is change batteries and had the stainless steel bracelet repaired 3 years ago.  I love the watch.

My Rolex only shows the date, but I wear it every day to keep the movement running.  It’s self winding so there are times when it stops because I forgot to wear it.

I also have a RADO Jubilee (quartz movement) with 4 diamond chips (at 12, 3, 6 and 9 o’clock), ceramic bracelet (scratch proof), sapphire crystal and it shows a date.  I never wear it - too hard to know the date because it is so tiny to read.  Hard to tell the time as well because there are no numerals - just the diamonds.

So, of the three watches I own, my favorite is the 20 year old Seiko - It is indestructible - they sure know how to make a great watch.

It's hard to beat a Seiko. My first nice watch was a Seiko automatic back in 1970. I still have it and it still runs. They are great values.

How about a Seiko story?

In about 1971 a co-worker returned from Vietnam wearing the spiffiest watch i had ever seen! I was really impressed to say the least. What kind is it? He told me "It's a Seiko"! What?? Never heard of such a thing! He told me it was made in Japan and that he had bought at the PX for something like 60.00!

I was a bit uneasy about the Made in Japan part at the time but, I loved the watch!

So, the Marketing Department hit all the mom and pop Jewelry stores pushing them hard to carry and sell these new beautiful watches that were (gulp) made in Japan!

Slowly the Seiko name grew and the watches in addition to being beautiful didn't break and kept excellent time!

Seiko had arrived thanks to the small jewelry stores that took a chance on them!

Seiko became a fierce competitor and the US and Swiss manufactures scrambled to compete...sound familiar.

As the years passed Seiko picked up a lot of competition and decided to slap the mom and pop stores that made them what thery were! They sold to big box stores the same watches and the customers were buying them for less than the jewerly stores were paying for the same watches.

Most of the small stores told Seiko to pick up their inventory and get out!

But...the damage was done. And, the beat go's on!

stickguy

I have a 2" hitch on the RDX. Not sure what class, but it is heavy duty. But, it has only ever seen a bike rack on it. I also never installed a wiring harness, so certainly could not have towed anything significant.

isellhondas

abacomike said:

Got an email from my son - my grandson pitched a 1-hitter last Friday evening for his High School team.  He’s raised his batting average to .335 and when he’s not pitching a game, he plays 1st base and bats 6th in the order.  The coach said he hasn’t seen a 17 year old kid pitch, bat and field at the level my grandson does and throws a fast ball over 90 mph.

Their team (Palm Desert High School) is 22-4 on the season.  The Playoffs begin tomorrow and they have a good chance to play at Dodger Stadium for the finals for the State Championship - like they did last year - and the team is stronger than they were last year.

If they play at Dodger Stadium, i’m Going to fly out there for the game.  Very exciting!

Very impressive! I hope the scouts are watching him!

thebean

isellhondas said:

thebean said:

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

bwia said:

For men of means---so the ad says anyway. So how do I get my wife to get me this birthday gift.

Nice watch...but for my next one I want the day of the week too....when you get to be a senior it is easy to forget what day of the week it is.

I have a Seiko Glow Dial analog quartz watch that I bought in Los Angeles when I lived in the San Fernando Valley back in 1997.  I wear it from 2:00 PM to 9:00 AM (mainly for night because the dial is iridescent).  The watch runs perfectly and it shows the day and the date.  I paid $75.00 for it.  All I have done to it is change batteries and had the stainless steel bracelet repaired 3 years ago.  I love the watch.

My Rolex only shows the date, but I wear it every day to keep the movement running.  It’s self winding so there are times when it stops because I forgot to wear it.

I also have a RADO Jubilee (quartz movement) with 4 diamond chips (at 12, 3, 6 and 9 o’clock), ceramic bracelet (scratch proof), sapphire crystal and it shows a date.  I never wear it - too hard to know the date because it is so tiny to read.  Hard to tell the time as well because there are no numerals - just the diamonds.

So, of the three watches I own, my favorite is the 20 year old Seiko - It is indestructible - they sure know how to make a great watch.

It's hard to beat a Seiko. My first nice watch was a Seiko automatic back in 1970. I still have it and it still runs. They are great values.

How about a Seiko story?

In about 1971 a co-worker returned from Vietnam wearing the spiffiest watch i had ever seen! I was really impressed to say the least. What kind is it? He told me "It's a Seiko"! What?? Never heard of such a thing! He told me it was made in Japan and that he had bought at the PX for something like 60.00!

I was a bit uneasy about the Made in Japan part at the time but, I loved the watch!

So, the Marketing Department hit all the mom and pop Jewelry stores pushing them hard to carry and sell these new beautiful watches that were (gulp) made in Japan!

Slowly the Seiko name grew and the watches in addition to being beautiful didn't break and kept excellent time!

Seiko had arrived thanks to the small jewelry stores that took a chance on them!

Seiko became a fierce competitor and the US and Swiss manufactures scrambled to compete...sound familiar.

As the years passed Seiko picked up a lot of competition and decided to slap the mom and pop stores that made them what thery were! They sold to big box stores the same watches and the customers were buying them for less than the jewerly stores were paying for the same watches.

Most of the small stores told Seiko to pick up their inventory and get out!

But...the damage was done. And, the beat go's on!



You are exactly right - I've heard that before. Shame on Seiko for doing that, but all big companies are 100% driven by money and have short memories as to where their success came from. Short-sighted with short memories is the business modus operandi, sadly.

abacomike

We got back home to my brother’s place after dinner.  Luckily the weather held and we got a chance to shake hands with Justin Thomas and Jordan Spieth who gave me a golf ball.  We greeted a large group of pro golfers who played today at a brief reception last night - our passes were provided by one of the sponsors.

It was an experience I will treasure for the rest of my life.

explorerx4

I don't usually watch golf on tv, but I did today, weather was not good for spending time outside.
It seems to have changed from how i remember it.
Also, I'm reading a golf book written just before the Tiger Woods era started.

driver100

Had a great time in Seattle....In only 2 days we:
Went to Pikes Market a few times....saw them throw the fish
Saw Chilly blown glass exhibit. Indoors and great garden. Not normally my thing to see but this was amazing.
Rode the Monorail back to downtown
Did the underground city tour which was interesting and fun, and
The best was the Ride the Ducks amphibians trucks, great views of the city and our guide was a riot.

We passed a very modern looking Starbucks by the water and boats can pull up and stop. He said this is the very first Starbucks (remember, it was very modern),..................that you will see on this trip today.
Flight back at 7a.m. tomorrow!

28firefighter

driver100 said:

Had a great time in Seattle....In only 2 days we: Went to Pikes Market a few times....saw them throw the fish Saw Chilly blown glass exhibit. Indoors and great garden. Not normally my thing to see but this was amazing. Rode the Monorail back to downtown Did the underground city tour which was interesting and fun, and The best was the Ride the Ducks amphibians trucks, great views of the city and our guide was a riot. We passed a very modern looking Starbucks by the water and boats can pull up and stop. He said this is the very first Starbucks (remember, it was very modern),..................that you will see on this trip today. Flight back at 7a.m. tomorrow!

I think you meant Chihuly glass exhibit at Seattle Center?

Also, quite adventurous of you to do a Duck tour here...

driver100

28firefighter said:

driver100 said:

Had a great time in Seattle....In only 2 days we:
Went to Pikes Market a few times....saw them throw the fish
Saw Chilly blown glass exhibit. Indoors and great garden. Not normally my thing to see but this was amazing.
Rode the Monorail back to downtown
Did the underground city tour which was interesting and fun, and
The best was the Ride the Ducks amphibians trucks, great views of the city and our guide was a riot.

We passed a very modern looking Starbucks by the water and boats can pull up and stop. He said this is the very first Starbucks (remember, it was very modern),..................that you will see on this trip today.
Flight back at 7a.m. tomorrow!

I think you meant Chihuly glass exhibit at Seattle Center?

Also, quite adventurous of you to do a Duck tour here...

You are right...my tablet has a mind of it's own, it changed it and I didn't notice.
It was a beautiful day for the Duck Ride. Some people think it isn't safe, or the vehicles look like they could tip over, or it is embarassing, but, it was the highlight of Seattle.....pure fun with our guide Phil D.B.U.R.N. (if I don't do that I get do urn).

28firefighter

Now that you’re back safely, I’ll simply share this article with you: 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ntsb-finds-probable-cause-of-deadly-seattle-duck-boat-crash/

tbirdmarco

 All monies stuff posted them off 

tbirdmarco

Lol lol lol 

abacomike

explorerx4 said:

I don't usually watch golf on tv, but I did today, weather was not good for spending time outside. It seems to have changed from how i remember it. Also, I'm reading a golf book written just before the Tiger Woods era started.

From what I was able to see through those crowds of people was a Tiger Woods that is truly fit and swings a golf club as good as I remember.  His long game is still good, but his putting was not as good as I remember it being in the early 2000’s.

In my opinion, from watching them play, Justin Thomas is the very best golfer of all the pros we saw play.  When Jordan Spieth is on his game, there’s none better - but Justin Thomas is more consistently a better golfer.