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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,364
    edited June 2018
    venture said:
    I just read where one of the Subaru WRXs used in Baby Driver only went for a bit under $20k at auction. Another WRX from the film went for nearly $70k so my son and I didn't bother to bid. We sure wish we had now. In case you haven't seen it, here's the six minute sequence where the two cars were used. :(:'( :@
    Before I bought the Legacy I drove a WRX. I knew my wife would have gone nuts if I brought that home. Fun car.
    I looked at a WRX STI before I bought the 2 Series; in the end my wife and I agreed it was a bit too similar to my Mazdaspeed 3- in retrospect I think I made the right call. 

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,563
    edited June 2018
    fintail said:

    I still see the Avalon as a 21st century traditional Buick (in a good way) than a real premium brand lux competitor. It is comfortable and reliable, and it is still quite homely. I don't think the current pretend-aggressive Toyota styling ethos will be considered a classic in the future.

    image

    This made me and my wife crack up. Any more of these? I actually did a test drive of a 2018 Avalon Hybrid about a month ago, and the interior and ride reminded me just a little a bit of an updated version of a Cadillac from the 1980s, maybe one kind of like this below. Actually the Avalon was a really nice ride. Better than Buick. The tech on the 2018 Avalon, however, was inferior to my 2016 Accord.






    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,469
    Nope, I just saw it online, although there might be other similar content out there, especially about Lexus - I know the "Predator" images were a fad when the spindle grille was introduced (the 61 Plymouth comparisons amused me more).

    Somehow, that Cadillac steering wheel irks me a little, maybe the lack of symmetry for the buttons on the lower part.
    benjaminh said:



    This made me and my wife crack up. Any more of these? I actually did a test drive of a 2018 Avalon Hybrid about a month ago, and the interior and ride reminded me just a little a bit of an updated version of a Cadillac from the 1980s, maybe one kind of like this below. Actually the Avalon was a really nice ride. Better than Buick. The tech on the 2018 Avalon, however, was inferior to my 2016 Accord.



  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    The steering wheel irks me because it looks like they forgot to hold the round part in place, and when someone pointed this out, they added a bar across the bottom to keep the wheel attached to the car.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • tbirdmarcotbirdmarco Member Posts: 3,838
     Glad you enjoyed the concourse I’ve never been one to attend one day glad you’re back home Mike who things coming along nice 
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,563
    I'm considering getting an Accord Touring, which has "adaptive dampers." I'm guessing the system is similar to what's explained in this 1-minute Acura video. My questions for anyone who has owned or extensively driven a car with adaptive dampers are: does it really make a difference? Does it seem worth it? I sometimes like to drive a little bit aggressively around corners. Nothing extreme, just having a little fun once in a while. I assume that's the kind of situation where adaptive dampers make a difference? Oh, and on rough roads it'll smooth things out with a softer suspension—but how well does it adapt to that. And I wonder how much electricity all this takes....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr_FMmtvLjY
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,563
    These systems have been around as options on luxury cars for a long time. This video looks like it has a c. 20 year old Lexus demonstrating well the differences...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8sVDenpPOE
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    benjaminh said:

    I'm considering getting an Accord Touring, which has "adaptive dampers." I'm guessing the system is similar to what's explained in this 1-minute Acura video. My questions for anyone who has owned or extensively driven a car with adaptive dampers are: does it really make a difference? Does it seem worth it? I sometimes like to drive a little bit aggressively around corners. Nothing extreme, just having a little fun once in a while. I assume that's the kind of situation where adaptive dampers make a difference? Oh, and on rough roads it'll smooth things out with a softer suspension—but how well does it adapt to that. And I wonder how much electricity all this takes....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr_FMmtvLjY

    Ben, Reviewers seem to like the "Adaptive Dampers" fine....no negatives that I could find. One review said:

    We also wonder aloud why Sport versions, sandwiched between LX and EX, boast bigger wheels, but skip the adaptive suspension setup on Touring models that makes for a crisper ride.

    Quibbles aside, the Accord will be joined early next year by an Accord Hybrid that should be the efficiency champ. It pairs a 2.0-liter inline-4 with an electric motor and more compact batteries shifted underneath the rear seat.

    All in, the 2018 Accord is a sharp sedan that’s far better than it needed to be.

    In other words: worth the wait.


    Most reviews say the Accord and Camry are the leaders in this category. What happened to the D3 competition, that was supposed to match the furrin cars?

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    qbrozen said:

    Feels like I stepped into the middle of retirement community car debate. ;b

    Funny.....but, one day you will set aside your toys and you will be the one discussing whether to buy a Camry or a Forrester.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,330
    benjaminh said:

    I'm considering getting an Accord Touring, which has "adaptive dampers." I'm guessing the system is similar to what's explained in this 1-minute Acura video. My questions for anyone who has owned or extensively driven a car with adaptive dampers are: does it really make a difference? Does it seem worth it?

    The current ATS has Magnetic Ride Control which is GM-speak for that. My previous did not. It does seem to make a noticeable difference. The ride on normal "rough" roads and in normal driving is less harsh, but when driving in a spirited manner it seems more responsive and handles better. Whether it is worth it I cannot say as that would be subjective. It is certainly better from a dynamic POV.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,749
    benjaminh said:

    I'm considering getting an Accord Touring, which has "adaptive dampers." I'm guessing the system is similar to what's explained in this 1-minute Acura video. My questions for anyone who has owned or extensively driven a car with adaptive dampers are: does it really make a difference? Does it seem worth it? I sometimes like to drive a little bit aggressively around corners. Nothing extreme, just having a little fun once in a while. I assume that's the kind of situation where adaptive dampers make a difference? Oh, and on rough roads it'll smooth things out with a softer suspension—but how well does it adapt to that. And I wonder how much electricity all this takes....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr_FMmtvLjY

    Not sure what it does for a relatively light, front-drive, low-traction vehicle, but having it in my CTS convinced me it is a fantastic feature in that application.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,330
    driver100 said:


    Most reviews say the Accord and Camry are the leaders in this category. What happened to the D3 competition, that was supposed to match the furrin cars?

    Media bias. They always like the newest model introduced the best, plus there is a longstanding mindset among auto journos that Honda can do no wrong.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,847
    The Civic Si has adaptive dampers on it. Definitely a cool feature at such a low price point car.
    2025 Jetta GLI Autobahn, 2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xE
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,682
    ab348 said:

    driver100 said:


    Most reviews say the Accord and Camry are the leaders in this category. What happened to the D3 competition, that was supposed to match the furrin cars?

    Media bias. They always like the newest model introduced the best, plus there is a longstanding mindset among auto journos that Honda can do no wrong.
    Typical bias now. The media guys find something to dislike about one car that's not the preferred brand and harp on it. On a favored brand, the dislikes are subtly mentioned if noted at all.

    I still laugh about reading in another forum here about some seats in the "favored" brands that aren't comfortable for taller folks. The driver's seat! I hadn't heard that mentioned as a topic before. But the Gen 8 Malibu had used a rear seat that has legroom but a nonstandard entry with the C-pillar and B-pillar placement, and all one heard is how awful that was that GM used that chassis for the Mallibu. Of course the front driver seat being uncomfortable doesn't matter; a rear seat which will be occupied less than .01% of a car's life unless it's kids in a family use, gets all kinds of negative press. Does this inequity sound familiar?

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,682
    Adaptive struts are covered in my 1993 factory service manual for leSabre, Park Avenue, and Bonneville. So they were in use in production by GM them. Guessing without looking it up, I suspect they were used on the Park Avenue Ultra and Pontiac SSEI models.

    I do know there were lots of people who didn't like the replacement cost when they wore at 80K or so which is typical strut life. They were replaceable with regular models with a fair degree of satisfaction. The spring rates are different, I assume.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    stickguy said:

    I am always surprised to see that Mitsu is still in the US. And that apparently people still (occasionally) buy them!

    They are actually pretty durable cars.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,847
    fezo said:
    "I mean to do that. Was demonstrating the safety features of our most recent Corvette."
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  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    driver100 said:

    benjaminh said:

    I'm considering getting an Accord Touring, which has "adaptive dampers." I'm guessing the system is similar to what's explained in this 1-minute Acura video. My questions for anyone who has owned or extensively driven a car with adaptive dampers are: does it really make a difference? Does it seem worth it? I sometimes like to drive a little bit aggressively around corners. Nothing extreme, just having a little fun once in a while. I assume that's the kind of situation where adaptive dampers make a difference? Oh, and on rough roads it'll smooth things out with a softer suspension—but how well does it adapt to that. And I wonder how much electricity all this takes....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr_FMmtvLjY

    Ben, Reviewers seem to like the "Adaptive Dampers" fine....no negatives that I could find. One review said:

    We also wonder aloud why Sport versions, sandwiched between LX and EX, boast bigger wheels, but skip the adaptive suspension setup on Touring models that makes for a crisper ride.

    Quibbles aside, the Accord will be joined early next year by an Accord Hybrid that should be the efficiency champ. It pairs a 2.0-liter inline-4 with an electric motor and more compact batteries shifted underneath the rear seat.

    All in, the 2018 Accord is a sharp sedan that’s far better than it needed to be.

    In other words: worth the wait.


    Most reviews say the Accord and Camry are the leaders in this category. What happened to the D3 competition, that was supposed to match the furrin cars?
    They have been missing for the last 40 years !

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,364

    Adaptive struts are covered in my 1993 factory service manual for leSabre, Park Avenue, and Bonneville. So they were in use in production by GM them. Guessing without looking it up, I suspect they were used on the Park Avenue Ultra and Pontiac SSEI models.

    I do know there were lots of people who didn't like the replacement cost when they wore at 80K or so which is typical strut life. They were replaceable with regular models with a fair degree of satisfaction. The spring rates are different, I assume.

    My 1993 Pathfinder SE had adaptive struts. They worked fine. Ditto for the setup on my 2 Series, although I'd like to drive an M235i with the "base" M Sport suspension- it's not available on the six cylinder 2ers in the US. BMW developed its EDC system in the late '80s. It worked well but today if you want to replace them your primary option is to ship them to Poland(!) to have them rebuilt.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,682
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Electronic_Modulated_Suspension

    Looking at history for electrically/electronically- controlled struts/shocks, TEMS seems to be the first in 1983.

    Active suspensions were in place earlier with Citroen widely noted.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_suspension

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,469
    MB had the disturbingly complex Active Body Cotnrol in production from 1999 onwards. These can sometimes go very wrong, especially in early 2000s era cars, which were not the pinnacle of the brand. They had various forms of air suspension and hydraulic suspension (not sure how "active") from 1961 onward through the 70s, also quite complex and a maintenance gamble.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    "MB had the disturbingly complex Active Body Cotnrol in production from 1999 onwards. " OF COURSE they did. If you're not going to be overly complex, what's the point of an MB?..
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    "I'd like to drive an M235i with the "base" M Sport suspension- it's not available on the six cylinder 2ers in the US. BMW developed its EDC system in the late '80s. It worked well but today if you want to replace them your primary option is to ship them to Poland(!) to have them rebuilt."

    And this surprises you how?...
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,469
    Why use 5 parts when 80 will do? B)
    fezo said:

    "MB had the disturbingly complex Active Body Cotnrol in production from 1999 onwards. " OF COURSE they did. If you're not going to be overly complex, what's the point of an MB?..

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    fintail said:

    Why use 5 parts when 80 will do? B)

    fezo said:

    "MB had the disturbingly complex Active Body Cotnrol in production from 1999 onwards. " OF COURSE they did. If you're not going to be overly complex, what's the point of an MB?..

    There has to be a good reason for paying twice as much for your car :'(

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,469
    Exactly, look at it this way - these cars are bargains in terms of parts and complexity.
    driver100 said:


    There has to be a good reason for paying twice as much for your car :'(

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    I remember once driving a K-Car. It was like driving a wagon with a steering wheel. If you want a refined ride, better handling, better steering, smoother and more powerful engines, more safety, more features.....there is a cost involved. What is that old saying about, "You get what you pay for".

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,464
    Mike, MLB draft starts tonight. Let us know if your grandson gets drafted!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    stickguy said:
    Mike, MLB draft starts tonight. Let us know if your grandson gets drafted!
    Stick, he’s not in the draft pool because he wants to play college ball first with outstanding coaches.  He also wants to get his degree first.  But if a pro team offers him a contract, that’s when he has to make a decision.  Several pro teams are scouting him this fall to see his performance at the college level.

    He graduates tomorrow morning.  He is then flying to Nebraska because the baseball coaches want to work with him for 6 weeks.  Physical fitness coach wants to train his arm muscles and posture and work on strengthening his legs and back.  The school will fly him back in July and then my son is driving him to the campus to get him settled.  Then my son flies home (leaves my grandson’s car with him for transportation) and then my son flies here with my other grandson for 4-5 days.

    If anything changes, I will let you know.

    2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger

  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,130
    Had the adaptive dampers on (all) my CTS. I can only compare those to the “non-magnetic ride control” on the many loaners I had. If you get spirited, they did make the car feel less “floaty” and seemed to keep the body away from leaning in turns. As far as a difference in ride? Didn’t feel much of a difference.

    That said, my TLX doesn’t lean or feel floaty, either. And, it has traditional dampers.

    I’m seeing a lot of the ‘19 Camry and Accords on the streets. From my eyeballs, they appear to be selling well.

    I believe the only reason the Avalons, Camry and Accord are being discussed in here is because all of those cars have become some danged good they derserve a look see from those of us who like sport(ier) cars.

    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,749
    You won't convince me any of those are sporty. I tricked myself into that once and regretted it.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,036
    edited June 2018
    My Mom had an 09 Camry SE (or whatever the sport trim was) All bark, no bite. 

    2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Icon I6L Golf Cart

  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    edited June 2018
    I’m taking that driving improvement course offered by AARP.  $20 for non-AARP members.  3 hours a day for 2 days.  It’s good for 3 years as a discount on your auto insurance.  For me, it saves me $160 a year - definitely worth the $20 and 5-6 hours of course time.

    My condo community offers it once a month and it’s 1/2 Block from my Apt.

    2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger

  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    edited June 2018
    Talk about heat, it was 96 degrees yesterday at my condo community and it may get to 98 today.  Add high humidity to that and you have jungle weather. Summer has arrived along with afternoon thunder storms every day.

    My brother and his SO rented a cabin just outside of Asheville, NC.  Had him on FaceTime yesterday and it was 72 degrees at 1:00 PM.  

    2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,245
    driver100 said:

    benjaminh said:

    I'm considering getting an Accord Touring, which has "adaptive dampers." I'm guessing the system is similar to what's explained in this 1-minute Acura video. My questions for anyone who has owned or extensively driven a car with adaptive dampers are: does it really make a difference? Does it seem worth it? I sometimes like to drive a little bit aggressively around corners. Nothing extreme, just having a little fun once in a while. I assume that's the kind of situation where adaptive dampers make a difference? Oh, and on rough roads it'll smooth things out with a softer suspension—but how well does it adapt to that. And I wonder how much electricity all this takes....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr_FMmtvLjY

    Ben, Reviewers seem to like the "Adaptive Dampers" fine....no negatives that I could find. One review said:

    We also wonder aloud why Sport versions, sandwiched between LX and EX, boast bigger wheels, but skip the adaptive suspension setup on Touring models that makes for a crisper ride.

    Quibbles aside, the Accord will be joined early next year by an Accord Hybrid that should be the efficiency champ. It pairs a 2.0-liter inline-4 with an electric motor and more compact batteries shifted underneath the rear seat.

    All in, the 2018 Accord is a sharp sedan that’s far better than it needed to be.

    In other words: worth the wait.


    Most reviews say the Accord and Camry are the leaders in this category. What happened to the D3 competition, that was supposed to match the furrin cars?
    Other than Caddy Chevy had that on the Camaro and Ford offered it on Mustang for 2018. Now you got me wanting to trade up.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,464
    I absolutely love the Asheville area. To me, that is the perfect place to move to. I would go in a heartbeat if my wife wasn't obsessed with staying closer to her family up near Old Farmer land. Personally, I think they should move too, but getting no traction on that.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,330
    edited June 2018
    I went to Central Florida (the bustling metropolis of Deland!) on business in June once. Every time you walked outside it was like going into a steam room. All of us Canadians had the AC in our hotel rooms set to 65 degrees I think. We were all baffled at first to see the Deland locals wearing cotton undershirts under their business attire. Up here we tend to do that in the winter to stay warm, but they did it to soak up the sweat. Things you learn!!

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,464
    just read car and driver last night. They had a quick test of a Camry XSE V6. Overall, quite complimentary on the upgrades to styling and interior. And it was fast. Got pricey though with options. But biggest drawback, dynamically the car was overwhelmed by the engine. Suspension, tires, brakes all not up to the task. So fine if you putt around, but mostly, need to stick with the 4 banger too!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,245
    driver100 said:

    I remember once driving a K-Car. It was like driving a wagon with a steering wheel. If you want a refined ride, better handling, better steering, smoother and more powerful engines, more safety, more features.....there is a cost involved. What is that old saying about, "You get what you pay for".

    My son bought a K-car for 300 bucks that had no floor. Got 10,000 miles out of it before he wrecked it. Junked it for $100. On a per mile cost basis that's better service than any MB. ;)

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    edited June 2018
    Talk about putting around, one of the major reasons I went with the S450 over the S560 was the fact that an 8 cylinder engine was totally unnecessary in the S Class.  There are absolutely no differences, including options, except for the V6 biturbo and the V8 biturbo.

    0-60 with the V6 biturbo is 5,3 seconds.  How much faster does anyone need to get to 60 mph?  Fuel economy is another factor - I am averaging 25 mpg (31.5 mpg on the interstate) while the V8 sucks gas averaging 4-5 mpg less.

    I just turned 5000 miles on the car and it is 7 months old.  Still rides like I got the car yesterday.

    2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger

  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    stickguy said:
    just read car and driver last night. They had a quick test of a Camry XSE V6. Overall, quite complimentary on the upgrades to styling and interior. And it was fast. Got pricey though with options. But biggest drawback, dynamically the car was overwhelmed by the engine. Suspension, tires, brakes all not up to the task. So fine if you putt around, but mostly, need to stick with the 4 banger too!
    I really like the new Camry’s styling, with the exception of the front grillework.  Toyota has really put a lot of emphasis on styling throughout their line.

    2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,245
    abacomike said:

    Talk about heat, it was 96 degrees yesterday at my condo community and it may get to 98 today.  Add high humidity to that and you have jungle weather. Summer has arrived along with afternoon thunder storms every day.

    My brother and his SO rented a cabin just outside of Asheville, NC.  Had him on FaceTime yesterday and it was 72 degrees at 1:00 PM.  

    It was in the low 50s all day in upstate NY yesterday, in the upper 40s where I was driving in VT. Had to turn on the heat and defrosters.

    Wanna trade?

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    edited June 2018
    As far as car preferences go, it is simply different strokes for different folks, and if not for Honda and Toyota, Detroit would still be churning out K-cars and selling them for $50 grand.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,528
    houdini1 said:

    As far as car preferences go, it is simply different strokes for different folks, and if not for Honda and Toyota, Detroit would still be churning out K-cars and selling them for $50 grand.

    Wait for the hipsters to get a hold of a "mint condition" K-Car.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD

  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,330


    It was in the low 50s all day in upstate NY yesterday, in the upper 40s where I was driving in VT. Had to turn on the heat and defrosters.

    Wanna trade?

    We had a freeze in Nova Scotia Sunday night with temps in low-lying areas a few degrees below freezing. It has devastated farmers of many fruit and veg products and has hit our wine industry very hard, unfortunately. Sad.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,682
    edited June 2018
    abacomike said:


    Toyota has really put a lot of emphasis on styling throughout their line.

    ...except for the front ends on the Camry and Lexi models.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,464
    Not all styling is attractive.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

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