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ab348 said:

I have a sticker on the rear door glass that was here when I bought the place but AFAIK this house has never had a system. Someone suggested that the sticker was one that was sold just for that purpose, to spoof an actual system. No idea.

It appears that may be all a person needs.

tjc78

venture said:

ab348 said:

I have a sticker on the rear door glass that was here when I bought the place but AFAIK this house has never had a system. Someone suggested that the sticker was one that was sold just for that purpose, to spoof an actual system. No idea.

It appears that may be all a person needs.

Years ago one of the news shows (20/20 maybe) did a piece on car security systems. They parked cars in a known high crime area. Some had stickers without an alarm, some had an alarm without stickers. The cars without the sticker got broken into/stolen the ones with the sticker were untouched.

driver100

You can buy stickers or signs and not have a system.
I talked to someone who has seen a monitoring room where they listen for alarms. He said if you saw the room and the people doing the monitoring....you would realize, having an alarm system may give you some peace of mind....but, there isn't a whole lot they can actually do....and by the time the police come they will be gone.

I still like knowing I can look at the panel from bed, and see there is no one walking around in my house.

snakeweasel

jmonroe1 said:

You guys with a security system in your house. Did you put the signs in your yard and/or on windows? I never did and I just saw them in my office.

I don't have a security system but I have a yard sign and a few window stickers left behind by the previous owner. So far it's working but if you don't want your window stickers, send them to me via the Edmunds free shipping service. Over the years I have gotten maybe a dozen calls from companies wanting to sell me a security system. I tell them I have one and then they want to know who's system I have so I tell them that is personal info that I don't provide. Being the paranoid person that I am, I view these calls as coming from thieves who want to know who's home to break in to. Saying you don't have one puts you at the top of the list and telling them what system you have tells them to dig out the info on that system so they can learn how to defeat it. Like I said, I'm paranoid. In a way I'm not really lying because Mrs. j is my security system. jmonroe

I'm paranoid too because I do the exact same thing.

snakeweasel

stickguy said:

I have a dog that barks at anyone that comes to the door or walks by. And he’s loud.

My dad said he had the perfect watchdog, When burglars broke into his apartment his dog sat there and watched them rummage through the place.

driver100

Jmonroe1.........this article explains the difference between having a vent to cool brakes....and not having a vent;

3″ Brake Duct vs. “No Duct” Test at Singular Motorsports

I recently ran our 3” version vs. no ducting at the track (taped over the duct inlet on one side of the car). Following a brief half-session, and after a cool down lap which allowed temps to come down and stabilize a bit, on the non-ducted side we saw caliper temps of 585 degrees F. For those of you keeping score, that’s just a breath away from the boiling point of the Motul RBF600.

On the ducted side of the car, the caliper was 445 degrees F. Perfectly happy.
I had intended to do more testing with the side that was blocked off, but after seeing those temps I aborted that plan and kept both sides ducted the rest of the day. I literally would not run my car without these.

Effect of vents on brakes

tjc78

OMG the horse is long dead on the brake vent discussion!    

They must do something because even my slower than molasses, never ever gonna see a track 2017 Elantra has them.  

xwesx

I have thought about ditching our land line. But, if we did that, we would have no phone at all!

berri

If you have concerns about crime, I think a Doberman is ideal. They don't necessarily bark a lot, but they cling onto the [non-permissible content removed] and don't let go.

berri

I didn't think the term I used was that bad, but heck, now its sounds even better

jmonroe1

berri said:

I didn't think the term I used was that bad, but heck, now its sounds even better

Say it again, I missed it. :@

jmonroe

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

Jmonroe1.........this article explains the difference between having a vent to cool brakes....and not having a vent;

3″ Brake Duct vs. “No Duct” Test at Singular Motorsports

I recently ran our 3” version vs. no ducting at the track (taped over the duct inlet on one side of the car). Following a brief half-session, and after a cool down lap which allowed temps to come down and stabilize a bit, on the non-ducted side we saw caliper temps of 585 degrees F. For those of you keeping score, that’s just a breath away from the boiling point of the Motul RBF600.

On the ducted side of the car, the caliper was 445 degrees F. Perfectly happy.
I had intended to do more testing with the side that was blocked off, but after seeing those temps I aborted that plan and kept both sides ducted the rest of the day. I literally would not run my car without these.

Effect of vents on brakes

I never said you couldn't get cooling via passing air over the calipers. Why don't you remember that this discussion started with what you thought could be a vent on the rear side of the Camry near the leading edge of tail/brake light assembly?

Give me a little credit for knowing that cooling the brakes via directing air over them is helpful in stopping a car. I don't think anyone in here wants to hear anymore about this so I'm now going to shut up. If you're afraid your post count will take a hit because of this keep posting but don't expect me to continue replying. I'm done with this subject.

jmonroe

roadburner

28firefighter said:

My dog barks. Folds like a cheap suit if you give her a treat, though.

My dog runs and gets his ball and brings it to whoever is ringing the doorbell. He is however, the Angel of Death to varmints...

roadburner

jmonroe1 said:

When you say, "Sometimes there is a rear vent to further smooth the air flow", do you mean a rear vent in the front wheel well or the rear of the car like what was thought could be a cooling vent on the Camry that started this discussion?

jmonroe

I was referring to the front vent.

jmonroe1

roadburner said:

jmonroe1 said:

When you say, "Sometimes there is a rear vent to further smooth the air flow", do you mean a rear vent in the front wheel well or the rear of the car like what was thought could be a cooling vent on the Camry that started this discussion?

jmonroe

I was referring to the front vent.

Thanks and when cooling is adequately designed, like it probably is on performance cars, it will help as any reasonable person knows.

jmonroe

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

Jmonroe1.........this article explains the difference between having a vent to cool brakes....and not having a vent;

3″ Brake Duct vs. “No Duct” Test at Singular Motorsports

I recently ran our 3” version vs. no ducting at the track (taped over the duct inlet on one side of the car). Following a brief half-session, and after a cool down lap which allowed temps to come down and stabilize a bit, on the non-ducted side we saw caliper temps of 585 degrees F. For those of you keeping score, that’s just a breath away from the boiling point of the Motul RBF600.

On the ducted side of the car, the caliper was 445 degrees F. Perfectly happy.
I had intended to do more testing with the side that was blocked off, but after seeing those temps I aborted that plan and kept both sides ducted the rest of the day. I literally would not run my car without these.

Effect of vents on brakes

I never said you couldn't get cooling via passing air over the calipers. Why don't you remember that this discussion started with what you thought could be a vent on the rear side of the Camry near the leading edge of tail/brake light assembly?

Give me a little credit for knowing that cooling the brakes via directing air over them is helpful in stopping a car. I don't think anyone in here wants to hear anymore about this so I'm now going to shut up. If you're afraid your post count will take a hit because of this keep posting but don't expect me to continue replying. I'm done with this subject.

jmonroe

IIRC, you thought rear vents were for decoration purposes only....that they had no useful purpose. I tried to show they direct the airflow from the wheel wells.....to minimize drag, and also to cool the brakes. That is all I said....it seems you begged to differ.

In other cars the rear vent is usually covered up, but the vent is still there at the back. See the Mclaren P1 (Notice that you can see mechanical bits through the rear grill; it is NOT for show! Air passes through it):
Read it

xwesx

roadburner said:

My dog runs and gets his ball and brings it to whoever is ringing the doorbell. He is however, the Angel of Death to varmints...

Well, thieves fall into the latter category, so perhaps you're covered!

explorerx4

That's a nice blue Ford GT.

abacomike

Just a follow-up on the issue of adding the Homeowners Association as “additional insured” - I presented the “additional interest” concept to the board president and, after speaking with other board members, they changed it to “additional interest”.  Thus, the association will not be able to make a claim against my insurance policy, but will receive copies of my policy and will be notified if I change or cancel the policy or its limits.  CASE CLOSED!

oldfarmer50

jmonroe1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

jmonroe1 said:

I will try to say this as s-l-o-w-l-y as possible. The brakes heat up, the hot air from the brakes has to go somewhere, if it flows out through the louvers it will move away from the brakes - faster than it would if sealed up in the rear fender or wheel well. Not that Camry drivers drive that fast, but, it makes the car look like it is faster since it needs the brakes to be cooled.

Hey guys, am I the only one that doesn't understand his logic? Anyway, I'm probably the only dope responding to this.jmonroe

But the wheel wells are solid walls--they don't put holes in the wells for water, salt, dirt, and air to go through to other parts of the vehicle. So the wheels wells likely aren't being vented here.

On my Mustang there are vents in the front fascia that direct air through the wheel well to dissipate both air pressure and brake heat.. The Ford expert at the dealership took great pride in pointing them out.

On my Mustang there are vents in the front fascia that direct air through the wheel well to dissipate both air pressure and brake heat.. The Ford expert at the dealership took great pride in pointing them out.


But your vents are in the front and are mounted lower than what was thought could be louvers/vents that were mounted higher on the Camry next to the leading edge of the tail/brake light assembly. That is what I was questioning . Remember, I said "there is nothing to cool back there".

You're the perfect person to check this. Put some tape over your vents and see if it takes longer for your car to stop due to hotter brakes and see if the car handles worse, due to lift, than the way it handles now without the tape. If I had to put money on this test I'd say you will not see a difference. Sounds more like salesman hype than anything else to me but I can't prove it because I don't have a Mustang. Whatever you tell us after this test, I'll believe you.

jmonroe

Well, Idid what you asked and the brakes melted, the wheels fell off and what little hair I have left fell out.! I hope you're happy! :@ :@

The original jmonroe would have never concocted such a stunt..

jmonroe1

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

jmonroe1 said:

I will try to say this as s-l-o-w-l-y as possible. The brakes heat up, the hot air from the brakes has to go somewhere, if it flows out through the louvers it will move away from the brakes - faster than it would if sealed up in the rear fender or wheel well. Not that Camry drivers drive that fast, but, it makes the car look like it is faster since it needs the brakes to be cooled.

Hey guys, am I the only one that doesn't understand his logic? Anyway, I'm probably the only dope responding to this.jmonroe

But the wheel wells are solid walls--they don't put holes in the wells for water, salt, dirt, and air to go through to other parts of the vehicle. So the wheels wells likely aren't being vented here.

On my Mustang there are vents in the front fascia that direct air through the wheel well to dissipate both air pressure and brake heat.. The Ford expert at the dealership took great pride in pointing them out.

On my Mustang there are vents in the front fascia that direct air through the wheel well to dissipate both air pressure and brake heat.. The Ford expert at the dealership took great pride in pointing them out.


But your vents are in the front and are mounted lower than what was thought could be louvers/vents that were mounted higher on the Camry next to the leading edge of the tail/brake light assembly. That is what I was questioning . Remember, I said "there is nothing to cool back there".

You're the perfect person to check this. Put some tape over your vents and see if it takes longer for your car to stop due to hotter brakes and see if the car handles worse, due to lift, than the way it handles now without the tape. If I had to put money on this test I'd say you will not see a difference. Sounds more like salesman hype than anything else to me but I can't prove it because I don't have a Mustang. Whatever you tell us after this test, I'll believe you.

jmonroe

Well, Idid what you asked and the brakes melted, the wheels fell off and what little hair I have left fell out.! I hope you're happy! :@ :@

The original jmonroe would have never concocted such a stunt..

@jmonroe was a more caring and understanding guy. When he left he failed to pass on those traits. Sorry about your hair but I believe the results, just like I said I would.

jmonroe

xwesx

abacomike said:

Just a follow-up on the issue of adding the Homeowners Association as “additional insured” - I presented the “additional interest” concept to the board president and, after speaking with other board members, they changed it to “additional interest”.  Thus, the association will not be able to make a claim against my insurance policy, but will receive copies of my policy and will be notified if I change or cancel the policy or its limits.  CASE CLOSED!

Does the condo association have a policy for the facility (e.g., common areas, grounds, etc?) as well? To me, it makes sense if all owners share a similar "interest" in that policy in the event they, or their property, is affected by something that happens under that umbrella.

abacomike

xwesx said:

Just a follow-up on the issue of adding the Homeowners Association as “additional insured” - I presented the “additional interest” concept to the board president and, after speaking with other board members, they changed it to “additional interest”.  Thus, the association will not be able to make a claim against my insurance policy, but will receive copies of my policy and will be notified if I change or cancel the policy or its limits.  CASE CLOSED!

Does the condo association have a policy for the facility (e.g., common areas, grounds, etc?) as well? To me, it makes sense if all owners share a similar "interest" in that policy in the event they, or their property, is affected by something that happens under that umbrella.

Yes - the building and the “village” as well as the Association have insurance policies to cover loss, liability, etc.

My own policy covers my unit and all attached property such as toilet fixtures, vanities, kitchen cabins, etc. from the inside walls to the rest of the unit..  So I have $50,000 in coverage since the building’s insurance covers walls and support structures.  I also have contents (replacement cost) at $30,000 in coverage and $10,000 for additional living expenses.  $300,000 liability.  I also carry a 1 million dollar liability umbrella policy.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

That's a nice blue Ford GT.

Good for you....right on.
Did you notice the nice air vents?

The Ford GT has vents at the rear....but, these words were for the McClaren;

In other cars the rear vent is usually covered up, but the vent is still there at the back. See the Mclaren P1 (Notice that you can see mechanical bits through the rear grill; it is NOT for show! Air passes through it):

suydam

Could we maybe have a separate thread for those people who enjoy running on and on Er, talking about vents.

driver100

Some of us have a vent fetish.
Anyway....my mission is to educate and inform...don't want people to be ignorant about rear vents. :@

ab348

I’m going to need to vent if this doesn’t stop soon. 

abacomike

driver100 said:

Some of us have a vent fetish. Anyway....my mission is to educate and inform...don't want people to be ignorant about rear vents. :@

I am going to have rear vents tailored into my shorts, slacks and underwear to dissipate all those “combustible gases” in need of “venting”!  Maybe my pajamas, too! 

jmonroe1

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

Some of us have a vent fetish.
Anyway....my mission is to educate and inform...don't want people to be ignorant about rear vents. :@

I am going to have rear vents tailored into my shorts, slacks and underwear to dissipate all those “combustible gases” in need of “venting”!  Maybe my pajamas, too! 

Problems, problems, problems all day long.

jmonroe

cdnpinhead

There's always something to fill the vacuum: when fickleboy goes on and on about some appliance or other that has tweaked him for some four day period, then goes radio silent after the weekend when it was all supposed to happen, Mr. must always must have the last word goes on ad naseum regarding brake vents. You can't make this stuff up, not that you'd want to.

I tend to sit back and watch, mostly to see what others say. I think I'm in decent company.

driver100

Brake vents should get equal time to cell phones!

driver100

cdnpinhead said:

There's always something to fill the vacuum: when fickleboy goes on and on about some appliance or other that has tweaked him for some four day period, then goes radio silent after the weekend when it was all supposed to happen, Mr. must always must have the last word goes on ad naseum regarding brake vents. You can't make this stuff up, not that you'd want to.

I tend to sit back and watch, mostly to see what others say. I think I'm in decent company.

Funny how some people like to shut the discussion down....when they lose.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

Brake vents should get equal time to cell phones!

But there might be a better way to cool your brakes. As a matter of fact here is a picture of Mercedes testing their new system.

fintail

That's not a Mercedes. I believe that's a turn of the century-era Mazda Protege.

stickguy

Now it’s a U-boat

suydam

cdnpinhead said:

There's always something to fill the vacuum: when fickleboy goes on and on about some appliance or other that has tweaked him for some four day period, then goes radio silent after the weekend when it was all supposed to happen, Mr. must always must have the last word goes on ad naseum regarding brake vents. You can't make this stuff up, not that you'd want to.

I tend to sit back and watch, mostly to see what others say. I think I'm in decent company.

Some posters just like to dream. No need to be snarky.

fintail

stickguy

Fall arrived. So went out to garage just now and put winter air in the tires. Checked the readout the other day and they were down a few pounds (evenly). Cold at about 30, doorfamb says 33. Just juiced them up to 34. Of course supposed to warm up this week but should be fine through the fall.

snakeweasel

fintail said:

That's not a Mercedes. I believe that's a turn of the century-era Mazda Protege.

It's a joke, your supposed to laugh not critique it.

snakeweasel

stickguy said:

Now it’s a U-boat

No, I'm just a looking.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

Brake vents should get equal time to cell phones!

But there might be a better way to cool your brakes. As a matter of fact here is a picture of Mercedes testing their new system.




lol and thanks for lightening things up snake.

jmonroe1

snakeweasel said:

fintail said:

That's not a Mercedes. I believe that's a turn of the century-era Mazda Protege.

It's a joke, your supposed to laugh not critique it.

It's a damn good thing you didn't say that Mercedes couldn't swim or you'd have had a few posters jumping you about that. Some car owners are very sensitive when you say their brand can't do something.

jmonroe

fintail

Zoom over my head.

Some can pretend:



Some can really do it:

driver100

fintail said:

That's not a Mercedes. I believe that's a turn of the century-era Mazda Protege.

I think it is a Mercedes. A Mazda Protege has a straight line at the rear door, not that dip. Also, the roof is plainer, and I think the rear quarter window is smaller.

But, a 1994 Mercedes has those elements:

Let's open it up to guesses what it could be.

driver100

I have to admit, now that I look at them, the color coded door handles look more like the Mazda's.
If I was wrong, it is probably only the first time this year. :@

driver100

But wait, a 1995 Mecedes in black has the color coded door handles, plus the crease, plus the large rear quarter window, plus that trunk line.

henryn

You people must be really bored. I mean, really bored!

But then, I'm reading this, so ...

fintail

I'll wager 6 figures it's a Protege of that era. Good call on the door handle, MB never used those.

driver100 said:

I think it is a Mercedes. A Mazda Protege has a straight line at the rear door, not that dip. Also, the roof is plainer, and I think the rear quarter window is smaller.
Let's open it up to guesses what it could be.

tjc78

I’m just about 90% on Protege.... it’s 100% not a Mercedes.  That’s for sure 

stickguy

Next generation protege after that one I think.