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imidazol97

If the Malibu shows shop visits, it's bad; if it's an Accord with a failed alternator or higher rates of problems, it's a glitch or a new model which will be improved and fixed.

LOL

Actually the method of data collection truedelta used suffered the same problem as consumer misreports suffered. Bias in the sample.

The Malibu's not having data after 2012 means there were not enough vehicles for each model year reporting to be meaningful. Probably because the cars had so few problems and the owners were not frustrated and getting online looking for ways to complain.

jmonroe1

imidazol97 said:

imidazol97 said:

Truedelta.com sent me an email with a link to view some of the data.
Notice a difference in the 2016, 2017, 2018 reliability reports?

https://www.truedelta.com/car-reliability
Choose reliability by model year,
then Honda
then Accord
You can do 5 searches as a non-member.

So far no one has commented on the data showing the Accord 2016, 17, 18 models are having higher repair problems. And the article will even let you read the types of problems real owners, not actors, are experiencing.

If this were about Malibus or other GM products, there would be comments.

You need to eat more pickles. Pickles have been claimed to grow thicker skin. That's why models don't eat them.

Just a suggestion.

jmonroe

driver100

Yeh, but the Malibu was at 134% repairs from 2008 to 2012 while Honda was at about zero.
So, you are saying since Malibu is always fairly high we got used to that, Honda has one bad year (probably a glitch they will make right) they are supposed to get tarred and feathered.
Malibu we expect higher rate of repairs, so no one notices.

roadburner

imidazol97 said:

imidazol97 said:

Truedelta.com sent me an email with a link to view some of the data.
Notice a difference in the 2016, 2017, 2018 reliability reports?

https://www.truedelta.com/car-reliability
Choose reliability by model year,
then Honda
then Accord
You can do 5 searches as a non-member.

So far no one has commented on the data showing the Accord 2016, 17, 18 models are having higher repair problems. And the article will even let you read the types of problems real owners, not actors, are experiencing.

If this were about Malibus or other GM products, there would be comments.

Large FWD cars are non-starters for me, so the reliability of either car is not a concern.

stickguy

2018 was a brand new design, so could be a specific start up glitch. But nothing really changed for 16 or 17. So that seems odd.

stickguy

I must be bored. I read the accord data. First off, shows how reliable all cars are now. Even the red year, was only 1/2 of all cars reporting an issue.

And for 17, there were relatively few incidents. And a decent chunk were people complaining about flat tires!

So basically, not reading too much into that particular data. I still think CR is probably the most useful.

graphicguy

Frankly, I've had a lot of car brands in my stable......Honda/Acura, BMW, Ford, GM (only ones I haven't owned are Oldsmobiles and GMCs), Chrysler (Dodge), Toyota, Datsun (never had any Nissans), Infiniti, Audi, VW (I'm counting my son's GTI), and probably a few clunkers I had when I was younger that I left on the side of the road with no plates.

Not pointing fingers at any owners here, as we like what we like. But for me, the Hondas/Acuras I've had in my stable have been by far the more reliable, least troublesome, easy to maintain vehicles I've ever owned. My son probably feels the same about his GTI. In his nearly 3 years of ownership, he's really had no issues. Have had a few Toyotas. Probably put them in this category, too.

In 2nd place is BMW. I chalk some of that up to their comprehensive (at the time) bumper-to-bumper, free maintenance warranties. And, the fact that even out of warranty, they weren't troublesome (although they were expensive to maintain out of warranty).

All the rest are below those above. Would I buy another GM? Maybe....it just wouldn't be a Cadillac. Right now, the only thing the General makes that has me mildly interested would be the Chevy Bolt/Volt. Nothing else in the lineup really floats my boat. Maybe a Corvette, but I'd probably look at a '60s version of one of those over a new one, and it would have to be a 'vert.

Wouldn't mind another BMW. They've really accelerated their pricing since I last had one (2011), though.

Used to be mildly interested in Mercedes, but they have the same pricing disease as BMW. I just read they have moved their entry level car (CLA) up a notch and it will now start to hit $50K. I didn't like it the last I drove one last year. I'll like it a whole lot less at $50K. And, the one I would be interested in, the C Class, will exceed $60K the way I like them. Just a few years ago, you could get a nice E Class for that kind of money. Now? Not interested!

May look at a Jag in the next few years if/when I decide to trade. But, as of right now, well into my 2nd year of ownership, I really still like my TLX. It just does everything well and has caused me zero problems. I've only changed the oil once and rotated the tires. Will probably have to do both again in the next month or two. That's it. And, even though the first service was free, I expect the 2nd one to cost well under $75 (with a coupon). Can't beat that.

fintail

I was going to say, do we know the veracity of any claimed "repair" trips? Are these cars with failing headgaskets and valvetrains, or cars taken in because the doddering owner can't figure out the radio controls?

stickguy said:

I must be bored. I read the accord data. First off, shows how reliable all cars are now. Even the red year, was only 1/2 of all cars reporting an issue.

And for 17, there were relatively few incidents. And a decent chunk were people complaining about flat tires!

So basically, not reading too much into that particular data. I still think CR is probably the most useful.

stickguy

In the last 20 years or so, of new cars, by far the most troublesome for me were a Plymouth minivan (by far), and of all things, a scion. That was in the shop way too often. Most bulletproof was probably a Nissan and the Acura. Honda’s were good, but far from perfect. So, it’s a crap shoot!

fintail

The best part about BMW/MB price inflation is that is happening even with a strong dollar. Making up for that time in the 2010 or so era when prices hadn't moved much from early 1990s levels, I guess.

As of today, CLA still bases at 33K, C at 40, E at 52. Upcoming A sedan will maybe change things a little. But for all of these (and their BMW counterparts), add 10K or so in options to have it the way most would want it. That's the German fun, everything is optional, and it has always been that way. You can already option up a CLA well into the 40s and a C past 60K, and those aren't AMG models. 50 years ago people joked that MB would charge you extra for the engine oil on a new car. Options carry high profit margins.

graphicguy said:

Used to be mildly interested in Mercedes, but they have the same pricing disease as BMW. I just read they have moved their entry level car (CLA) up a notch and it will now start to hit $50K. I didn't like it the last I drove one last year. I'll like it a whole lot less at $50K. And, the one I would be interested in, the C Class, will exceed $60K the way I like them. Just a few years ago, you could get a nice E Class for that kind of money. Now? Not interested!

henryn

fintail said:

50 years ago people joked that MB would charge you extra for the engine oil on a new car. Options carry high profit margins.

50 years ago ... that would be 1968. I didn't know anyone who owned a Mercedes, or even anyone who knew anyone who knew anyone that had an interest in a Mercedes. So no jokes about them. But I can remember, somewhere along in there, people making jokes about, "Next thing you know they will be charging extra for the tires!"

Which ceased to be funny when they started actually doing so, or at least charging extra for the spare tire.

driver100

I hear lots of Honda and Toyota owners say they won't buy a D3 car ever again, but, I never hear a Honda or a Toyota owner saying they are going to go back to a D3.
My father was one of them, only bought Fords for over 30 years....then one Olds Omega (he felt the brakes were not safe).....then 2 Camry's, and that is all he would want after the first one.

snakeweasel

fintail said:

As of today, CLA still bases at 33K, C at 40, E at 52. Upcoming A sedan will maybe change things a little. But for all of these (and their BMW counterparts), add 10K or so in options to have it the way most would want it. That's the German fun, everything is optional, and it has always been that way. You can already option up a CLA well into the 40s and a C past 60K, and those aren't AMG models. 50 years ago people joked that MB would charge you extra for the engine oil on a new car. Options carry high profit margins.

The Chicago area dealers association has a website where their member dealerships can list their inventory and customers can do searches. I just did a search for the CLA and the lowest priced one was for $35,670 the highest was $59,530.

Mr_Shiftright

imidazol97 said:

If the Malibu shows shop visits, it's bad; if it's an Accord with a failed alternator or higher rates of problems, it's a glitch or a new model which will be improved and fixed.

LOL

Actually the method of data collection truedelta used suffered the same problem as consumer misreports suffered. Bias in the sample.

The Malibu's not having data after 2012 means there were not enough vehicles for each model year reporting to be meaningful. Probably because the cars had so few problems and the owners were not frustrated and getting online looking for ways to complain.

Not sure what you mean by "bias in the sample". If that means that Malibu owners hate their cars more than Accord owners, and are more likely to complain, well that's an interesting bit of data all in itself--even if it does skew the sample.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

fintail said:

As of today, CLA still bases at 33K, C at 40, E at 52. Upcoming A sedan will maybe change things a little. But for all of these (and their BMW counterparts), add 10K or so in options to have it the way most would want it. That's the German fun, everything is optional, and it has always been that way. You can already option up a CLA well into the 40s and a C past 60K, and those aren't AMG models. 50 years ago people joked that MB would charge you extra for the engine oil on a new car. Options carry high profit margins.

The Chicago area dealers association has a website where their member dealerships can list their inventory and customers can do searches. I just did a search for the CLA and the lowest priced one was for $35,670 the highest was $59,530.

I had a CLA rental a while back....hated it....would never buy one, I'd buy a Camry first.
But, the newest model is supposed to be vastly improved.

bwia

This past week I made two mobile to mobile payments and I am wondering how do these mobile apps and associated banks make money because both the downloads and transactions are free.

My experiences were quite simple actually. The first payment to my granddaughter was made using Zelle, which I downloaded from the App store. It required the usual personal and bank information. One small glitch though my phone number and email did not match my bank's records. However, after I synchronized my bank to my smartphone the rest was easy peasy.

The other payment was through Square Cash (Cash App). This was unbelievably easy. I downloaded the app and it simply asked for my phone, debit card information and the person I wanted to pay from my phone contacts. That's it. Click my son's name and moments later I got a text from him saying he had received the payment. I immediately checked my bank account and the money was long gone. For more info on mobile payments see: https://www.pcmag.com/roundup/358553/the-best-mobile-payment-apps

snakeweasel

Mr_Shiftright said:

If the Malibu shows shop visits, it's bad; if it's an Accord with a failed alternator or higher rates of problems, it's a glitch or a new model which will be improved and fixed. LOL Actually the method of data collection truedelta used suffered the same problem as consumer misreports suffered. Bias in the sample. The Malibu's not having data after 2012 means there were not enough vehicles for each model year reporting to be meaningful. Probably because the cars had so few problems and the owners were not frustrated and getting online looking for ways to complain.

Not sure what you mean by "bias in the sample". If that means that Malibu owners hate their cars more than Accord owners, and are more likely to complain, well that's an interesting bit of data all in itself--even if it does skew the sample.

Any stats derived from self reporting data will have a sizable bias error due to many factors. My experience is that owners of certain makes are more forgiving of faults then those of other makes. It may be more of a herd mentality in effect. It may be that the Malibu owner is not indulged with how incredibly reliable there car is while the Accord owner is. The Accord owner in that situation may go with the perception while the Malibu owner may not.

A case in point someone I know who is a Toyota fanboy told me I should get a more reliable car like his when I got rid of my Elantra. However in almost 200k miles outside of normal maintenance that car cost me nothing in repairs and was on the shop only once. That was in contrast to his being in the shop multiple times costing him a couple of grand which was not routine maintenance in 100k miles. Yet in his minds eye his car was trouble free and I had issues with mine.

tjc78

bwia said:

This past week I made two mobile to mobile payments and I am wondering how do these mobile apps and associated banks make money because both the downloads and transactions are free.

My experiences were quite simple actually. The first payment to my granddaughter was made using Zelle, which I downloaded from the App store. It required the usual personal and bank information. One small glitch though my phone number and email did not match my bank's records. However, after I synchronized my bank to my smartphone the rest was easy peasy.

The other payment was through Square Cash (Cash App). This was unbelievably easy. I downloaded the app and it simply asked for my phone, debit card information and the person I wanted to pay from my phone contacts. That's it. Click my son's name and moments later I got a text from him saying he had received the payment. I immediately checked my bank account and the money was long gone. For more info on mobile payments see: https://www.pcmag.com/roundup/358553/the-best-mobile-payment-apps

Why not just use PayPal? Long established and very secure

fintail

I hope that 59K one is a CLA45 AMG, or someone has added a ton of mop 'n glo to one.

Finding a truly base MB on a lot is virtually impossible, all cars in inventories seem to have a few certain options. One could special order it, however.

snakeweasel said:

The Chicago area dealers association has a website where their member dealerships can list their inventory and customers can do searches. I just did a search for the CLA and the lowest priced one was for $35,670 the highest was $59,530.

stickguy

you see some on Carvana or Carmax. My guess is they are the rental spec specials that got offloaded.

fintail

People in Europe made those jokes, of course. MB is definitely a different brand now compared to then, but some old habits remain.

Back in the day, wide whites were an extra cost option, right? So you could pay extra for tires, in a way, kind of like how wheel packages can cost a couple grand (or more) now.

henryn said:

50 years ago ... that would be 1968. I didn't know anyone who owned a Mercedes, or even anyone who knew anyone who knew anyone that had an interest in a Mercedes. So no jokes about them. But I can remember, somewhere along in there, people making jokes about, "Next thing you know they will be charging extra for the tires!"

Which ceased to be funny when they started actually doing so, or at least charging extra for the spare tire.

imidazol97

snakeweasel said:

Any stats derived from self reporting data will have a sizable bias error due to many factors. My experience is that owners of certain makes are more forgiving of faults then those of other makes. It may be more of a herd mentality in effect. It may be that the Malibu owner is not indulged with how incredibly reliable there car is while the Accord owner is. The Accord owner in that situation may go with the perception while the Malibu owner may not.

The sample for truedelta is strictly from folks who found out about the site when it was starting up. So these were folks who to my knowledge were likely already internet users. I suspect many Malibu owners of Gen 8 and 9 are older than average buyers. Many have had no or trivial problems, my assumption, and aren't interested in posting on the web on forums to pat themselves on the back for having been smart enough to have purchased a Malibu.

The reason there is a paucity of years reported on the Malibu is that truedelta must not have received enough information on owners who had registered their vehicles to have a reliable bit of info. They did not have leSabre 2003 in their data either, even though I had registered mine and had submitted reports by filling out the simple form they emailed every quarter IIRC.

Many Accord/Civic owners have a personal connection with their vehicle and in their self image to their car being a reliable vehicle. They are average age younger and may have been involved with reading Road and Track, or other mags that are performance oriented, or came across the truedelta soliciting for users to sign up and report. So there's a skew in demographics as well as in motivation.

The sample for truedelta is a convenience sample rather than a random sample such as JD Powers gets by mailing to each randomly selected owner of a registered or titled vehicle. A convenience sample is taking whatever you can find the way of polling. Such as doing a poll at the entrances to the local Kroger store at 10-2 on a weekday, when more women are shopping and their children are in school. Responses on whether the community should build a YMCA in the middle might be skewed.

I recall once visiting a Lowes on a Sunday and doing a personal survey with a live person who seemed to pick me as the xth person passing their table and they were asking about my watching golf or not. I suspect Lowes wanted to know if shoppers at their stores were golf fans--should they place advertising dollars on golf on TV or in golf magazines, e.g.?

dino001

driver100 said:

Unfortunately, journalism students aren't usually good at math.

I remember long time ago I met an editor-in-chief of a Polish national newspaper and he said multiple times how frustrated he was with journalism graduates. As he put it "they know nothing, so how can they write about anything?" He said that his best reporters and journalist were people with education from something tangible. He said his best journalists and reporters were "somebody" first - historian, sociologist, scientist, engineer, doctor, whatever.

imidazol97

I don't think pickle juice helps the skin.
It soothes muscle cramps. ...
It helps you stay hydrated. ...
It's a fat-free recovery aid. ...
It won't bust your budget. ...
It contains antioxidants. ...
It may support your weight loss efforts. ...
It helps control blood sugar levels. ...
It boosts gut health.

https://www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/drinking-pickle-juice

But it does help bring out the lack of consistency in people's methods for evaluating vehicles.

E.g., my Malibu had one visit for a recall and that was for a software change. My Bu has 18-inch wheels, while there are 16, 17, and 19 also IIRC. The software was not programmed correctly to handle the parking/emergency brake being applied. That somehow caused a service vehicle light. Everything worked. Just set a light.

All other visits were maintenance except for a question about the double click trunk release that Chevrolet would install, so two spaced pushes on the remote were needed to unlock the trunk.

fintail

I've noticed that. A co-worker recently bought a car from a service called "Vroom", and I took a look at their inventory. Most of the MBs appeared to be fleet spec, especially the 1-2 year old ones - no doubt some rental returns there.

Even then, those cars will likely have a basic "premium" package. But in theory (or in Europe) the cars can exist without even that.

stickguy said:

you see some on Carvana or Carmax. My guess is they are the rental spec specials that got offloaded.

Mr_Shiftright

snakeweasel said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

imidazol97 said:

If the Malibu shows shop visits, it's bad; if it's an Accord with a failed alternator or higher rates of problems, it's a glitch or a new model which will be improved and fixed.

LOL

Actually the method of data collection truedelta used suffered the same problem as consumer misreports suffered. Bias in the sample.

The Malibu's not having data after 2012 means there were not enough vehicles for each model year reporting to be meaningful. Probably because the cars had so few problems and the owners were not frustrated and getting online looking for ways to complain.

Not sure what you mean by "bias in the sample". If that means that Malibu owners hate their cars more than Accord owners, and are more likely to complain, well that's an interesting bit of data all in itself--even if it does skew the sample.

Any stats derived from self reporting data will have a sizable bias error due to many factors. My experience is that owners of certain makes are more forgiving of faults then those of other makes. It may be more of a herd mentality in effect. It may be that the Malibu owner is not indulged with how incredibly reliable there car is while the Accord owner is. The Accord owner in that situation may go with the perception while the Malibu owner may not.

A case in point someone I know who is a Toyota fanboy told me I should get a more reliable car like his when I got rid of my Elantra. However in almost 200k miles outside of normal maintenance that car cost me nothing in repairs and was on the shop only once. That was in contrast to his being in the shop multiple times costing him a couple of grand which was not routine maintenance in 100k miles. Yet in his minds eye his car was trouble free and I had issues with mine.

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That is absolutely true. If say you look at CU about Tesla, you will find a wide discrepancy between reliability and "customer satisfaction". Apparently, Tesla owners are satisfied with unreliability. Go figure.

Mr_Shiftright

imidazol97 said:

snakeweasel said:

Any stats derived from self reporting data will have a sizable bias error due to many factors. My experience is that owners of certain makes are more forgiving of faults then those of other makes. It may be more of a herd mentality in effect. It may be that the Malibu owner is not indulged with how incredibly reliable there car is while the Accord owner is. The Accord owner in that situation may go with the perception while the Malibu owner may not.

The sample for truedelta is strictly from folks who found out about the site when it was starting up. So these were folks who to my knowledge were likely already internet users. I suspect many Malibu owners of Gen 8 and 9 are older than average buyers. Many have had no or trivial problems, my assumption, and aren't interested in posting on the web on forums to pat themselves on the back for having been smart enough to have purchased a Malibu.

The reason there is a paucity of years reported on the Malibu is that truedelta must not have received enough information on owners who had registered their vehicles to have a reliable bit of info. They did not have leSabre 2003 in their data either, even though I had registered mine and had submitted reports by filling out the simple form they emailed every quarter IIRC.

Many Accord/Civic owners have a personal connection with their vehicle and in their self image to their car being a reliable vehicle. They are average age younger and may have been involved with reading Road and Track, or other mags that are performance oriented, or came across the truedelta soliciting for users to sign up and report. So there's a skew in demographics as well as in motivation.

The sample for truedelta is a convenience sample rather than a random sample such as JD Powers gets by mailing to each randomly selected owner of a registered or titled vehicle. A convenience sample is taking whatever you can find the way of polling. Such as doing a poll at the entrances to the local Kroger store at 10-2 on a weekday, when more women are shopping and their children are in school. Responses on whether the community should build a YMCA in the middle might be skewed.

I recall once visiting a Lowes on a Sunday and doing a personal survey with a live person who seemed to pick me as the xth person passing their table and they were asking about my watching golf or not. I suspect Lowes wanted to know if shoppers at their stores were golf fans--should they place advertising dollars on golf on TV or in golf magazines, e.g.?

Be that as it may, it seems that even with a flawed sample, the results are massively critical. True Delta would have had to require that every Tesla owner who registers has to swear he hates the car before posting.

Where there's smoke, there's fire, so to speak. Something's up.

stickguy

function is not reliability. So satisfaction could be caveated as, when not at dealer.

Just ask the Alfa boys about that.

ab348

I think the problem with True Delta that led to the plug being pulled was that the sample sizes for a given year/model were just too small or non-existent. Even for cars that do have reliability reports listed, the sample sizes are very small.

snakeweasel

bwia said:

This past week I made two mobile to mobile payments and I am wondering how do these mobile apps and associated banks make money because both the downloads and transactions are free.

Does the app have ads?

snakeweasel

fintail said:

I hope that 59K one is a CLA45 AMG, or someone has added a ton of mop 'n glo to one. Finding a truly base MB on a lot is virtually impossible, all cars in inventories seem to have a few certain options. One could special order it, however.

The Chicago area dealers association has a website where their member dealerships can list their inventory and customers can do searches. I just did a search for the CLA and the lowest priced one was for $35,670 the highest was $59,530.

I went and checked and yes the 59k one is an AMG.

snakeweasel

imidazol97 said:
 I recall once visiting a Lowes on a Sunday and doing a personal survey with a live person who seemed to pick me as the xth person passing their table and they were asking about my watching golf or not. I suspect Lowes wanted to know if shoppers at their stores were golf fans--should they place advertising dollars on golf on TV or in golf magazines, e.g.?

I would have told them that I used to but I gave up because they weren't fast enough to keep up with the other cars on the race track.

bwia

snakeweasel said:

bwia said:

This past week I made two mobile to mobile payments and I am wondering how do these mobile apps and associated banks make money because both the downloads and transactions are free.

Does the app have ads?

No, it can't be otherwise the transactions wouldn't be secure.

America is slow adopt mobile payments. Even in remote parts of Africa this is the dominant form of payment .

Mr_Shiftright

stickguy said:

function is not reliability. So satisfaction could be caveated as, when not at dealer.

Just ask the Alfa boys about that.

True, true. Also, there's the "unreliability" that is merely inconvenient, and the kind that leaves you on the side of the road.

imidazol97

snakeweasel said:

imidazol97 said:
 I recall once visiting a Lowes on a Sunday and doing a personal survey with a live person who seemed to pick me as the xth person passing their table and they were asking about my watching golf or not. I suspect Lowes wanted to know if shoppers at their stores were golf fans--should they place advertising dollars on golf on TV or in golf magazines, e.g.?

I would have told them that I used to but I gave up because they weren't fast enough to keep up with the other cars on the race track.

Many years back, but I believe I told them I was more likely to have NASCAR on than golf. Golf put me to sleep in most cases.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

I hear lots of Honda and Toyota owners say they won't buy a D3 car ever again, but, I never hear a Honda or a Toyota owner saying they are going to go back to a D3.
My father was one of them, only bought Fords for over 30 years....then one Olds Omega (he felt the brakes were not safe).....then 2 Camry's, and that is all he would want after the first one.

After my experience with Toyota in the 80s I have been back in the D3 camp with the exception of one Mitsubishi. At the age I usually buy them I know the usual pitfalls and what it costs to fix them. Usually cheaper than foreign.

ab348

I had a Volvo (well, Dad's, but I was the only one who drove it), then a Toyota and a VW. That order is also how I would rank their unreliability, as the VW was by far the most trouble-free. D3 ever since with only 1 bad experience that was probably more dealer-related than anything.

henryn

bwia said:

snakeweasel said:

bwia said:

This past week I made two mobile to mobile payments and I am wondering how do these mobile apps and associated banks make money because both the downloads and transactions are free.

Does the app have ads?

No, it can't be otherwise the transactions wouldn't be secure.

America is slow adopt mobile payments. Even in remote parts of Africa this is the dominant form of payment .




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Well, most of this (mobile payments) is not quite what I would call free. I had to sign up for Zelle in order to receive some money that was coming to me. Otherwise it would have taken weeks and mounds of paperwork, long story on that.

In order to use Zelle, you have to have a bank account with one of the members of Zelle. I wound up opening an account with Chase just so I could receive the money.

Zelle is a U.S.-based digital payments network owned by Early Warning Services, a private financial services company owned by the banks Bank of America, BB&T, Capital One, JPMorgan Chase, PNC Bank, US Bank and Wells Fargo

ab348

Back on the TV topic, I got to watch New Amsterdam. Sorry to say I disagree with @abacomike but I know I'm hard to please. I hated it but then again I haven't watched a medical show since St. Elsewhere in the 1980s. I thought this one was pretty manipulative just like This Is Us, another show I don't like. So I'm 0-for-3 on network premieres so far.

PF_Flyer

So, we are SO attached to our vehicles, it's amazing. My oldest daughter inherited my 2007 Versa hatchback about 8 years ago, and posted a "tribute" to it (which I shall not bore you with) on her FB page. New baby, almost 200,000 miles, and she's moving on to a Subaru Forester.

Little car did alright by us! She took some last shots just before taking it to trade, and posted one from when it was shiny and new

PF_Flyer

stickguy said:

overly hot tires are bad. Not that anyone would know what it should be!

Speaking of tires, I was dropping off a package for shipment at the Fedex store today, and they were getting a set of tires ready for pickup that had just been shipped to someone here. I should have taken a picture at the store, but it was the first time I had seen "tire totes"

28firefighter

I had tire totes for my Nokian tires in Pittsburgh - kept the basement nice and clean and made it easy to carry them through the house back out to the car.

xwesx

28firefighter said:

I had tire totes for my Nokian tires in Pittsburgh - kept the basement nice and clean and made it easy to carry them through the house back out to the car.

Agreed! I bought a set of totes from Tire Rack a few years ago. I don't use them on a regular basis because I keep my off-season tires on a rack in my shed, but I do use them when I transport tires inside my cars for the very same reason.

snakeweasel

OK I gotta say that this place is getting to be to much of an influence on me. As I was leaving work this afternoon I saw a Kia Stinger (nice looking car BTW) and the one thing that I really focused on were the @#$% vents. Curse you Driver. 

jmonroe1

snakeweasel said:

OK I gotta say that this place is getting to be to much of an influence on me. As I was leaving work this afternoon I saw a Kia Stinger (nice looking car BTW) and the one thing that I really focused on were the @#$% vents. Curse you Driver. 

Are you sure they were real. I wouldn't put it past Kia to use pasties.

jmonroe

imidazol97

To be sure you will have to get down and look in the wheel well.

PF_Flyer

jmonroe1 said:

snakeweasel said:

OK I gotta say that this place is getting to be to much of an influence on me. As I was leaving work this afternoon I saw a Kia Stinger (nice looking car BTW) and the one thing that I really focused on were the @#$% vents. Curse you Driver. 

Are you sure they were real. I wouldn't put it past Kia to use pasties.

jmonroe

What's next? The return of portholes??

PF_Flyer

28firefighter said:

I had tire totes for my Nokian tires in Pittsburgh - kept the basement nice and clean and made it easy to carry them through the house back out to the car.

Hmm... I may look into tire totes because I DO store my winter/summer sets in the basement for 3 cars. The handles alone would make them worthwhile! PLUS, I could label the totes for which car the tires go with

imidazol97

PF_Flyer said:

jmonroe1 said:

snakeweasel said:

OK I gotta say that this place is getting to be to much of an influence on me. As I was leaving work this afternoon I saw a Kia Stinger (nice looking car BTW) and the one thing that I really focused on were the @#$% vents. Curse you Driver. 

Are you sure they were real. I wouldn't put it past Kia to use pasties.

jmonroe

What's next? The return of portholes??

Is that a Buick?

snakeweasel

jmonroe1 said:

OK I gotta say that this place is getting to be to much of an influence on me. As I was leaving work this afternoon I saw a Kia Stinger (nice looking car BTW) and the one thing that I really focused on were the @#$% vents. Curse you Driver. 

Are you sure they were real. I wouldn't put it past Kia to use pasties. jmonroe

Yeah they were real, as I walked behind it I saw daylight through them.