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jmonroe1

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

venture said:

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

qbrozen said:

Saw a commercial today for a car. I thought "that's not bad looking." Then saw a Toyota badge and thought "nah. I gotta see it again. Must be ugly." As I saw more of the commercial, I decided it is likely the best looking Toyota car in their current lineup. Anybody wanna venture a guess?

2018 Supra?

Corolla.....and the new Camry can look pretty good - if you don't see the front.

I saw one just like that yesterday. I couldn't stop looking at the black things hanging down from both tail lights.

I think those are louvres for the air to flow through......not sure if real or fake.
They do look a bit like those old anti-electrostatic ribbons people dangled from the rear bumper.

I don't think they are louvers. Louvers are for cooling and nothing back there needs cooling.

Bad guess. :@

jmonroe

Your just as argumentative as the original jmonroe. He not only drives a wannabe car....now, he has a wannabe impersonator.

The louvers aren't to cool anything at the back, they are to dissipate ( n dissipation of heat. Type of: chilling, cooling, temperature reduction. the process of becoming cooler; a falling temperature.) the heat created when braking...leaving an escape for the hot air.(so to speak)

HUH? I read your post twice and still can't understand what you are trying to prove. The brakes have sufficient cooling due to their inherent design of having them exposed to air at the wheel itself and can't be cooled from louvers at the top. If you want more cooling from brakes there are better ways. Like drilled and slotted rotors.

The only hot air escaping in here is coming from you. Not really a surprise though.

jmonroe

fintail

I like those colors more, and wire caps rather than wire wheels. Not a fan of fender skirts though.

For old Ford convertibles, I might take a 55-56 or 58 over a 57, just based on personal taste (ok, the 58 is a little overdone). Of the 57-62 era, I like the 60 most.

driver100 said:

Fin, I always liked the covered lights on the 57 Ford.

The wire wheels are not attractive....I used the picture because it was a convertible and the red and white hilighted the tu-tone paint jobs of the day.

fintail

Congrats on that. My dad beat prostate cancer when he was 60, and always attributed a positive attitude to part of it. You appear to have the same attitude.

You know, there's a world of later model off-lease/CPO premium brands out there for the same price as new mainstream cars

abacomike said:

Well, I made it to September 22, 2018 - two years to the day after my liver cancer surgery. I guess that qualifies as a "Cancer Survivor" in medical circles.
I definitely would consider a Lexus ES350 or even a Camry or Avalon for my next car as I am definitely moving toward more economical purchases - no more Mercedes Benz or BMW - I've been there and done that. Now is the time for a nice car for basic transportation purposes only. So, over the next 2 years (until my lease is up), I will be looking at everything out there for my next car.

Here's hoping that I make it to 3 years cancer free!

abacomike

If you’re not watching NBC’s golf coverage of the Tour Championship right now, you are about to miss history in the making.  Tiger Woods has birdied 5 out of the first 6 holes and is about to birdie his 6th hole.  He leads by 4 shots!

Update - Tiger birdies his 6th hole to lead by 5 shots!

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

venture said:

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

qbrozen said:

Saw a commercial today for a car. I thought "that's not bad looking." Then saw a Toyota badge and thought "nah. I gotta see it again. Must be ugly." As I saw more of the commercial, I decided it is likely the best looking Toyota car in their current lineup. Anybody wanna venture a guess?

2018 Supra?

Corolla.....and the new Camry can look pretty good - if you don't see the front.

I saw one just like that yesterday. I couldn't stop looking at the black things hanging down from both tail lights.

I think those are louvres for the air to flow through......not sure if real or fake.
They do look a bit like those old anti-electrostatic ribbons people dangled from the rear bumper.

I don't think they are louvers. Louvers are for cooling and nothing back there needs cooling.

Bad guess. :@

jmonroe

Your just as argumentative as the original jmonroe. He not only drives a wannabe car....now, he has a wannabe impersonator.

The louvers aren't to cool anything at the back, they are to dissipate ( n dissipation of heat. Type of: chilling, cooling, temperature reduction. the process of becoming cooler; a falling temperature.) the heat created when braking...leaving an escape for the hot air.(so to speak)

HUH? I read your post twice and still can't understand what you are trying to prove. The brakes have sufficient cooling due to their inherent design of having them exposed to air at the wheel itself and can't be cooled from louvers at the top. If you want more cooling from brakes there are better ways. Like drilled and slotted rotors.

The only hot air escaping in here is coming from you. Not really a surprise though.

jmonroe

I will try to say this as s-l-o-w-l-y as possible. The brakes heat up, the hot air from the brakes has to go somewhere, if it flows out through the louvers it will move away from the brakes - faster than it would if sealed up in the rear fender or wheel well. Not that Camry drivers drive that fast, but, it makes the car look like it is faster since it needs the brakes to be cooled.

suydam

abacomike said:

jmonroe1 said:

@Mike, we're very happy to hear the good news about your health but who do you think you're fooling about the car stuff? Do you really think we're a bunch of green peas?

jmonroe

Absolutely not!  You guys all know me quite well.  But, THIS IS THE NEW MIKE!  The abacomike who used to buy a new car whenever the floor carpets got dirty is no longer here.  He has been replaced by ECONOMICAL MIKE who discovered that a car does not have to be replaced before it hits 10,000 on the odometer.

I “GOT RELIGION”, jmonroe - pure and simple.  My next car two years from now will be for basic transportation.

I’m even going to join a “Compulsive Car Buyer’s” support group.  It meets every Wednesday evening at a different New Car Dealership - they even serve refreshments.  It’s a 13 step program - same 12 steps as Alcoholics Anonymous, but with one additional step called, “...if you get to this step, you may now buy a new car...!”  I can’t wait for the first meeting - it’s being held at a Mazzeratti Dealership.  They are serving lasagna with gelato for desert.

VIVA ITALIANO!    

Kinda like holding AA meetings at a bar . . .

imidazol97

abacomike said:

, THIS IS THE NEW MIKE! ECONOMICAL MIKE
.

But your handle is still @abacomike.
When it changes to @abacomikenopremiumcar
or @abacomikeeconomyismygoal
then we'll know.

None of this abacomike1 stuff allowed either.

abacomike

suydam said:

jmonroe1 said:

@Mike, we're very happy to hear the good news about your health but who do you think you're fooling about the car stuff? Do you really think we're a bunch of green peas? jmonroe

Absolutely not!  You guys all know me quite well.  But, THIS IS THE NEW MIKE!  The abacomike who used to buy a new car whenever the floor carpets got dirty is no longer here.  He has been replaced by ECONOMICAL MIKE who discovered that a car does not have to be replaced before it hits 10,000 on the odometer.

I “GOT RELIGION”, jmonroe - pure and simple.  My next car two years from now will be for basic transportation.

I’m even going to join a “Compulsive Car Buyer’s” support group.  It meets every Wednesday evening at a different New Car Dealership - they even serve refreshments.  It’s a 13 step program - same 12 steps as Alcoholics Anonymous, but with one additional step called, “...if you get to this step, you may now buy a new car...!”  I can’t wait for the first meeting - it’s being held at a Mazzeratti Dealership.  They are serving lasagna with gelato for desert.

VIVA ITALIANO!    

Kinda like holding AA meetings at a bar . . .

That’s the idea - drool over a Mazzeratti but rather than buy it, eat lasagna and enjoy gelato.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

venture said:

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

qbrozen said:

Saw a commercial today for a car. I thought "that's not bad looking." Then saw a Toyota badge and thought "nah. I gotta see it again. Must be ugly." As I saw more of the commercial, I decided it is likely the best looking Toyota car in their current lineup. Anybody wanna venture a guess?

2018 Supra?

Corolla.....and the new Camry can look pretty good - if you don't see the front.

I saw one just like that yesterday. I couldn't stop looking at the black things hanging down from both tail lights.

I think those are louvres for the air to flow through......not sure if real or fake.
They do look a bit like those old anti-electrostatic ribbons people dangled from the rear bumper.

I don't think they are louvers. Louvers are for cooling and nothing back there needs cooling.

Bad guess. :@

jmonroe

Your just as argumentative as the original jmonroe. He not only drives a wannabe car....now, he has a wannabe impersonator.

The louvers aren't to cool anything at the back, they are to dissipate ( n dissipation of heat. Type of: chilling, cooling, temperature reduction. the process of becoming cooler; a falling temperature.) the heat created when braking...leaving an escape for the hot air.(so to speak)

HUH? I read your post twice and still can't understand what you are trying to prove. The brakes have sufficient cooling due to their inherent design of having them exposed to air at the wheel itself and can't be cooled from louvers at the top. If you want more cooling from brakes there are better ways. Like drilled and slotted rotors.

The only hot air escaping in here is coming from you. Not really a surprise though.

jmonroe

I will try to say this as s-l-o-w-l-y as possible. The brakes heat up, the hot air from the brakes has to go somewhere, if it flows out through the louvers it will move away from the brakes - faster than it would if sealed up in the rear fender or wheel well. Not that Camry drivers drive that fast, but, it makes the car look like it is faster since it needs the brakes to be cooled.

Hey guys, am I the only one that doesn't understand his logic? Anyway, I'm probably the only dope responding to this.

jmonroe

abacomike

jmonroe1 said:

Saw a commercial today for a car. I thought "that's not bad looking." Then saw a Toyota badge and thought "nah. I gotta see it again. Must be ugly." As I saw more of the commercial, I decided it is likely the best looking Toyota car in their current lineup. Anybody wanna venture a guess?

2018 Supra?

Corolla.....and the new Camry can look pretty good - if you don't see the front.

I saw one just like that yesterday. I couldn't stop looking at the black things hanging down from both tail lights.

I think those are louvres for the air to flow through......not sure if real or fake. They do look a bit like those old anti-electrostatic ribbons people dangled from the rear bumper.

I don't think they are louvers. Louvers are for cooling and nothing back there needs cooling. Bad guess. :@ jmonroe

Your just as argumentative as the original jmonroe. He not only drives a wannabe car....now, he has a wannabe impersonator. The louvers aren't to cool anything at the back, they are to dissipate ( n dissipation of heat. Type of: chilling, cooling, temperature reduction. the process of becoming cooler; a falling temperature.) the heat created when braking...leaving an escape for the hot air.(so to speak)

HUH? I read your post twice and still can't understand what you are trying to prove. The brakes have sufficient cooling due to their inherent design of having them exposed to air at the wheel itself and can't be cooled from louvers at the top. If you want more cooling from brakes there are better ways. Like drilled and slotted rotors. The only hot air escaping in here is coming from you. Not really a surprise though. jmonroe

I will try to say this as s-l-o-w-l-y as possible. The brakes heat up, the hot air from the brakes has to go somewhere, if it flows out through the louvers it will move away from the brakes - faster than it would if sealed up in the rear fender or wheel well. Not that Camry drivers drive that fast, but, it makes the car look like it is faster since it needs the brakes to be cooled.

Hey guys, am I the only one that doesn't understand his logic? Anyway, I'm probably the only dope responding to this. jmonroe

No, jmonroe - I was trying my best to avoid this louvre “illogic”, but I began to feel bad for you.  Driver’s logic is like observing a bird dump a turd and refuse to pay full selling price for the bird because he felt it was less than he bargained for.  Get my drift? 

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

venture said:

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

qbrozen said:

Saw a commercial today for a car. I thought "that's not bad looking." Then saw a Toyota badge and thought "nah. I gotta see it again. Must be ugly." As I saw more of the commercial, I decided it is likely the best looking Toyota car in their current lineup. Anybody wanna venture a guess?

2018 Supra?

Corolla.....and the new Camry can look pretty good - if you don't see the front.

I saw one just like that yesterday. I couldn't stop looking at the black things hanging down from both tail lights.

I think those are louvres for the air to flow through......not sure if real or fake.
They do look a bit like those old anti-electrostatic ribbons people dangled from the rear bumper.

I don't think they are louvers. Louvers are for cooling and nothing back there needs cooling.

Bad guess. :@

jmonroe

Your just as argumentative as the original jmonroe. He not only drives a wannabe car....now, he has a wannabe impersonator.

The louvers aren't to cool anything at the back, they are to dissipate ( n dissipation of heat. Type of: chilling, cooling, temperature reduction. the process of becoming cooler; a falling temperature.) the heat created when braking...leaving an escape for the hot air.(so to speak)

HUH? I read your post twice and still can't understand what you are trying to prove. The brakes have sufficient cooling due to their inherent design of having them exposed to air at the wheel itself and can't be cooled from louvers at the top. If you want more cooling from brakes there are better ways. Like drilled and slotted rotors.

The only hot air escaping in here is coming from you. Not really a surprise though.

jmonroe

I will try to say this as s-l-o-w-l-y as possible. The brakes heat up, the hot air from the brakes has to go somewhere, if it flows out through the louvers it will move away from the brakes - faster than it would if sealed up in the rear fender or wheel well. Not that Camry drivers drive that fast, but, it makes the car look like it is faster since it needs the brakes to be cooled.

Hey guys, am I the only one that doesn't understand his logic? Anyway, I'm probably the only dope responding to this.

jmonroe

Probably because they understand.
Brakes cause heat, yes the heat dissipates from the brake, but, if it can go somewhere the brakes will cool down faster.

driver100

abacomike said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

venture said:

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

qbrozen said:

Saw a commercial today for a car. I thought "that's not bad looking." Then saw a Toyota badge and thought "nah. I gotta see it again. Must be ugly." As I saw more of the commercial, I decided it is likely the best looking Toyota car in their current lineup. Anybody wanna venture a guess?

2018 Supra?

Corolla.....and the new Camry can look pretty good - if you don't see the front.

I saw one just like that yesterday. I couldn't stop looking at the black things hanging down from both tail lights.

I think those are louvres for the air to flow through......not sure if real or fake.
They do look a bit like those old anti-electrostatic ribbons people dangled from the rear bumper.

I don't think they are louvers. Louvers are for cooling and nothing back there needs cooling.

Bad guess. :@

jmonroe

Your just as argumentative as the original jmonroe. He not only drives a wannabe car....now, he has a wannabe impersonator.

The louvers aren't to cool anything at the back, they are to dissipate ( n dissipation of heat. Type of: chilling, cooling, temperature reduction. the process of becoming cooler; a falling temperature.) the heat created when braking...leaving an escape for the hot air.(so to speak)

HUH? I read your post twice and still can't understand what you are trying to prove. The brakes have sufficient cooling due to their inherent design of having them exposed to air at the wheel itself and can't be cooled from louvers at the top. If you want more cooling from brakes there are better ways. Like drilled and slotted rotors.

The only hot air escaping in here is coming from you. Not really a surprise though.

jmonroe

I will try to say this as s-l-o-w-l-y as possible. The brakes heat up, the hot air from the brakes has to go somewhere, if it flows out through the louvers it will move away from the brakes - faster than it would if sealed up in the rear fender or wheel well. Not that Camry drivers drive that fast, but, it makes the car look like it is faster since it needs the brakes to be cooled.

Hey guys, am I the only one that doesn't understand his logic? Anyway, I'm probably the only dope responding to this.

jmonroe

No, jmonroe - I was trying my best to avoid this louvre “illogic”, but I began to feel bad for you.  Driver’s logic is like observing a bird dump a turd and refuse to pay full selling price for the bird because he felt it was less than he bargained for.  Get my drift? 

Depends if the bird was weighed before or after the price was set.

driver100

They should be called vents, not louvers, my mistake. But, this from Bimmer link explains. They mostly, are used to move air out of wheel wells to reduce drag, but, a second benefit is to help cool heat build up around the brakes (funny, official site spells braking as breaking).

What is the purpose of fender vents?
The main purpose of fender vents is to relieve built-up air pressure from inside the wheel arches which causes aerodynamic lift. Typically, there are air intake openings in the front of the bumper directing air over the brakes to cool them. This air gets trapped in the wheel arches and creates high pressure resulting in lift over the front wheels reducing traction. Relieving this built up high-pressure system in the wheel arches reduces front axle lift thus increasing safety.

Trapped air in the wheel arches also creates aerodynamic drag. Drag is the force of air pushing in the opposite direction of the vehicle, reducing efficiency. Some research suggests wheel arches account for up to 30% of aerodynamic drag of a vehicle. With fuel efficiency ratings becoming increasingly more strict on modern vehicles you can understand why so much attention is being directed towards the reduction of this inefficiency. Efficiently routing air into and out of the wheel arches increases fuel economy through the reduction of drag.

Another benefit of fender vents is to efficiently vent hot air generated by heavy breaking out in the air stream. Quickly relieving hot air generated from the brakes makes room for more cool air to pass over the brakes, thus increasing efficiency. Finally, it is worth mentioning that trapped air in the wheel arches also contributes to cabin noise. Reduction of cabin noise is more pleasant to drivers on long trips reduces driver fatigue.

I used bimmertips because it was first on the list...others said the same.
WHY HAVE VENTS IN FRONT AND REAR FENDERS?

snakeweasel

jmonroe1 said:

Saw a commercial today for a car. I thought "that's not bad looking." Then saw a Toyota badge and thought "nah. I gotta see it again. Must be ugly." As I saw more of the commercial, I decided it is likely the best looking Toyota car in their current lineup. Anybody wanna venture a guess?

2018 Supra?

Corolla.....and the new Camry can look pretty good - if you don't see the front.

I saw one just like that yesterday. I couldn't stop looking at the black things hanging down from both tail lights.

I think those are louvres for the air to flow through......not sure if real or fake. They do look a bit like those old anti-electrostatic ribbons people dangled from the rear bumper.

I don't think they are louvers. Louvers are for cooling and nothing back there needs cooling. Bad guess. :@ jmonroe

Your just as argumentative as the original jmonroe. He not only drives a wannabe car....now, he has a wannabe impersonator. The louvers aren't to cool anything at the back, they are to dissipate ( n dissipation of heat. Type of: chilling, cooling, temperature reduction. the process of becoming cooler; a falling temperature.) the heat created when braking...leaving an escape for the hot air.(so to speak)

HUH? I read your post twice and still can't understand what you are trying to prove. The brakes have sufficient cooling due to their inherent design of having them exposed to air at the wheel itself and can't be cooled from louvers at the top. If you want more cooling from brakes there are better ways. Like drilled and slotted rotors. The only hot air escaping in here is coming from you. Not really a surprise though. jmonroe

I will try to say this as s-l-o-w-l-y as possible. The brakes heat up, the hot air from the brakes has to go somewhere, if it flows out through the louvers it will move away from the brakes - faster than it would if sealed up in the rear fender or wheel well. Not that Camry drivers drive that fast, but, it makes the car look like it is faster since it needs the brakes to be cooled.

Hey guys, am I the only one that doesn't understand his logic? Anyway, I'm probably the only dope responding to this. jmonroe

Seems logical to me, having vents at the back allow for air to flow through the wheel well more efficiently allowing more air to flow over the brakes for more efficient cooling. It would also reduce drag.

imidazol97

jmonroe1 said:

I will try to say this as s-l-o-w-l-y as possible. The brakes heat up, the hot air from the brakes has to go somewhere, if it flows out through the louvers it will move away from the brakes - faster than it would if sealed up in the rear fender or wheel well. Not that Camry drivers drive that fast, but, it makes the car look like it is faster since it needs the brakes to be cooled.

Hey guys, am I the only one that doesn't understand his logic? Anyway, I'm probably the only dope responding to this.jmonroe

But the wheel wells are solid walls--they don't put holes in the wells for water, salt, dirt, and air to go through to other parts of the vehicle. So the wheels wells likely aren't being vented here.

xwesx

graphicguy said:

Grill doesn’t look bad on the new ES350....

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2019-lexus-es-our-first-in-person-impressions-2019-es-photos/

I fell off my chair; I thought it was going to eat me!

xwesx

abacomike said:

Absolutely not!  You guys all know me quite well.  But, THIS IS THE NEW MIKE!  The abacomike who used to buy a new car whenever the floor carpets got dirty is no longer here.  He has been replaced by ECONOMICAL MIKE who discovered that a car does not have to be replaced before it hits 10,000 on the odometer.

I “GOT RELIGION”, jmonroe - pure and simple.  My next car two years from now will be for basic transportation.

I’m even going to join a “Compulsive Car Buyer’s” support group.  It meets every Wednesday evening at a different New Car Dealership - they even serve refreshments.  It’s a 13 step program - same 12 steps as Alcoholics Anonymous, but with one additional step called, “...if you get to this step, you may now buy a new car...!”  I can’t wait for the first meeting - it’s being held at a Mazzeratti Dealership.  They are serving lasagna with gelato for desert.

VIVA ITALIANO!    

Hahahhahahahaha! New Mike, my foot!

jmonroe1

imidazol97 said:

jmonroe1 said:

I will try to say this as s-l-o-w-l-y as possible. The brakes heat up, the hot air from the brakes has to go somewhere, if it flows out through the louvers it will move away from the brakes - faster than it would if sealed up in the rear fender or wheel well. Not that Camry drivers drive that fast, but, it makes the car look like it is faster since it needs the brakes to be cooled.

Hey guys, am I the only one that doesn't understand his logic? Anyway, I'm probably the only dope responding to this.jmonroe

But the wheel wells are solid walls--they don't put holes in the wells for water, salt, dirt, and air to go through to other parts of the vehicle. So the wheels wells likely aren't being vented here.



All valid reasons but I think this is beyond his grasp.

jmonroe

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

imidazol97 said:

jmonroe1 said:

I will try to say this as s-l-o-w-l-y as possible. The brakes heat up, the hot air from the brakes has to go somewhere, if it flows out through the louvers it will move away from the brakes - faster than it would if sealed up in the rear fender or wheel well. Not that Camry drivers drive that fast, but, it makes the car look like it is faster since it needs the brakes to be cooled.

Hey guys, am I the only one that doesn't understand his logic? Anyway, I'm probably the only dope responding to this.jmonroe

But the wheel wells are solid walls--they don't put holes in the wells for water, salt, dirt, and air to go through to other parts of the vehicle. So the wheels wells likely aren't being vented here.

All valid reasons but I think this is beyond his grasp.

jmonroe

I'll just pass on what the experts say:

The rotating wheels effect air. The wheel well vents control this air flow.
Tremendous heat is developed in the ceramic - carbon braking systems to slow F1 cars. The vents provide cooling to the braking systems.
Most important the well vents along with the vents on the brake hubs are manipulated to control tire temperature which has significant effects on car performance. By changing the hub vents (varying the degree they are open) they can control the heat distribution in the brakes, rims and tires more uniformly.

Many vents today are decorative....but, it is a symbol for the reason they were first developed.....to keep pressure from building up in wheel wells, and to cool brakes.

venture

jmonroe1 said:

imidazol97 said:

jmonroe1 said:

I will try to say this as s-l-o-w-l-y as possible. The brakes heat up, the hot air from the brakes has to go somewhere, if it flows out through the louvers it will move away from the brakes - faster than it would if sealed up in the rear fender or wheel well. Not that Camry drivers drive that fast, but, it makes the car look like it is faster since it needs the brakes to be cooled.

Hey guys, am I the only one that doesn't understand his logic? Anyway, I'm probably the only dope responding to this.jmonroe

But the wheel wells are solid walls--they don't put holes in the wells for water, salt, dirt, and air to go through to other parts of the vehicle. So the wheels wells likely aren't being vented here.

All valid reasons but I think this is beyond his grasp.

jmonroe

I'm sorry I mentioned it.

abacomike

berri said:

Better be careful with that program Mike - you may end up buying a "used" car to go with your newfound thriftiness

No way! I haven't gotten ULTRA ECONOMICAL berri, just ECONOMICAL. Used cars (preowned to be more sophisticated) does not turn me on. I have not yet become "desperate", just "cautious and careful"!

abacomike

venture said:

jmonroe1 said:

imidazol97 said:

jmonroe1 said:

I will try to say this as s-l-o-w-l-y as possible. The brakes heat up, the hot air from the brakes has to go somewhere, if it flows out through the louvers it will move away from the brakes - faster than it would if sealed up in the rear fender or wheel well. Not that Camry drivers drive that fast, but, it makes the car look like it is faster since it needs the brakes to be cooled.

Hey guys, am I the only one that doesn't understand his logic? Anyway, I'm probably the only dope responding to this.jmonroe

But the wheel wells are solid walls--they don't put holes in the wells for water, salt, dirt, and air to go through to other parts of the vehicle. So the wheels wells likely aren't being vented here.

All valid reasons but I think this is beyond his grasp.

jmonroe

I'm sorry I mentioned it.

So am I, to be quite frank!

graphicguy

@abacomike.....looked at the Avalon a couple of years ago. It was by accident that I stumbled upon looking at them after hearing a work colleague tell me about the one he just bought. I was knee deep in the Cadillac drama at the time. Test drove one and was impressed. Was it a sports car? Nope.

But, it was quick, comfortable, handled fine, would be relatively cheap to own and maintain, reliable, well made, nice materials, all loaded up....for significantly less than $40K. And, that was the model before the newest redesign, which should be better than the one I drove.

I think you might be surprised how good that car is.

abacomike

I just received a notice via email that my Condominium Association is voting next week to eliminate the requirement that all Condo Units maintain a "land-line phone" for security and fire. I found out that security will accept a cell phone with a passcode, which I already have. I just have to register the cell phone number with the security office. That will save me $45.00 a month and reduce the number of "robo-calls" I receive each week by 90%.

Another vote will be taken on requiring all Condo Unit Owners to list the Condominium Association as an additional insured on our Condominium Insurance for liability as well as loss. From what I understand, if there is a fire in a Condo and it spreads, causing physical damage to the building, the Association wants to make sure it has recourse to have the damage repaired by the Condo Unit Owner. Anyone know more about whether or not this is appropriate. I carry $300,000 liability insurance as well as a $1,000,000 umbrella policy.

If you have any info on this "additional insured" clause, please let me know. Thanks.

abacomike

graphicguy said:

@abacomike.....looked at the Avalon a couple of years ago. It was by accident that I stumbled upon looking at them after hearing a work colleague tell me about the one he just bought. I was knee deep in the Cadillac drama at the time. Test drove one and was impressed. Was it a sports car? Nope.

But, it was quick, comfortable, all loaded up....for significantly less than $40K. And, that was the model before the newest redesign, which should be better than the one I drove.

I think you might be surprised how good that car is.

From the outside and from pics I've seen of the new model, the styling is very nice. Same for the top-of-the-line Camry. I just have to accept the fact that in these moderately priced cars, I have to give up RWD for FWD, which I really do not like - but I also have to remember that I am ECONOMICAL MIKE now so I have to learn to be more flexible.

Thanks for the heads-up, GG.

berri

When you cut the landline it seems the robocalls find your cell phone. Taking your new found thrifty economics into the auto world, there was a cheap, stripped Studebaker called the Scotsman. We can't make ethnic comments, so how about we call you "no armrests Mike" ? Beats cheapskate, tightfisted or tightwad, right?

stickguy

I consider being called cheap a badge of honor. Though if you want to be more polite, can stick with frugal.

berri

Condo insurance can vary by locality. I think generally the insurance in case of a fire is covered by the condo owners association insurance that is part of the HOA or whatever they call it that you pay. That is why the HOA on a condo is usually higher than the HOA fee on a single owned house. You'd have to look carefully at that proposed language because the general reasoning on how condo insurance works is that it doesn't want to end up in a situation where some owners don't properly insure, or where things get tied up in various insurance companies suing each other over restitution.

28firefighter

People have landlines?

driver100

They said on the news the other day.......scam calls will make up 50% of all calls on cell phones, in one year.

qbrozen

driver100 said:

They said on the news the other day.......scam calls will make up 50% of all calls on cell phones, in one year.

It is WAY higher than that for me. More like 90%. Because everyone I know texts me instead.

stickguy

I have a landline, but it is through the cable package. but still the old phone number. We rarely answer that, only if caller ID is someone we want to talk to. Mostly just spam calls we ignore. I use it for work calls.

thankfully not too many on the cell, but I do get a few. If not in my address book I just let it bounce to VM. if it is a real call they can leave a message and I will return.

tjc78

We have a landline. It is more or less a voicemail line. We have no phones connected to it upstairs, just an antique phone on the wall in the basement.

It's through the Cable Co too, and for whatever reason in the world if you cancel it your service goes up. I'll never figure that out.

berri

Cable pricing - never seems to make sense!

bwia

stickguy said:

you are a fighter Mike. gotta give you that. so just keep on taking it one day at a time

Amen!

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

jmonroe1 said:

I will try to say this as s-l-o-w-l-y as possible. The brakes heat up, the hot air from the brakes has to go somewhere, if it flows out through the louvers it will move away from the brakes - faster than it would if sealed up in the rear fender or wheel well. Not that Camry drivers drive that fast, but, it makes the car look like it is faster since it needs the brakes to be cooled.

Hey guys, am I the only one that doesn't understand his logic? Anyway, I'm probably the only dope responding to this.jmonroe

But the wheel wells are solid walls--they don't put holes in the wells for water, salt, dirt, and air to go through to other parts of the vehicle. So the wheels wells likely aren't being vented here.



On my Mustang there are vents in the front fascia that direct air through the wheel well to dissipate both air pressure and brake heat.. The Ford expert at the dealership took great pride in pointing them out.

bwia

Tiger Woods still has a commanding, let's wish him well. 

oldfarmer50

I had a great time at the Saratoga Auto Museum yesterday. Tons of cars up for sale. Not as many real antiques as last year, mostly from the 30s on up.

My favorite part was when a 1990 former Air Force Humvee ( the actual military version) was auctioned off as a charity event to feed homeless vets. It had been highly customized and as it pulled up on the stage a trio of voluptuous women in WW2 WAC uniforms (The American Bombshells) piled out and gave an impromptu rendition of God Bless the USA.

They were hoping for $100k but the bidding stalled at $53k. Everyone was disappointed for the charity until one bidder stood up and donated $5,000 directly to the charity. Then another donated $5,000 and soon dozens of people were on their feet pledging between $1-5 thousand. I'm guessing the charity exceeded it's $100k goal by about 50 thousand.



We also got to hang out with Robbie Wolfe, the brother of one of the American Pickers and the person they call when they find cars. He says he has about a dozen cars in his collection and now is into collecting antique trucks. Very knowledgeable about what it costs to restore old cars. His opinion is that it's cheaper to just buy what you want at an auction rather than spend more doing it yourself. Evidently most cars cost more to restore than they bring at sale.

Here's a few other vehicles that were sold including the Batmobile (tribute) which sold for $90,000.





Can you guess what this is?

fintail

I'm not familiar with that MB replicar, and I can usually identify many malaisey neoclassics.

One of those where the owner added the hood star rather than the maker, as any company to do so would be sued and harshly.

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

I just received a notice via email that my Condominium Association is voting next week to eliminate the requirement that all Condo Units maintain a "land-line phone" for security and fire. I found out that security will accept a cell phone with a passcode, which I already have. I just have to register the cell phone number with the security office. That will save me $45.00 a month and reduce the number of "robo-calls" I receive each week by 90%.

Another vote will be taken on requiring all Condo Unit Owners to list the Condominium Association as an additional insured on our Condominium Insurance for liability as well as loss. From what I understand, if there is a fire in a Condo and it spreads, causing physical damage to the building, the Association wants to make sure it has recourse to have the damage repaired by the Condo Unit Owner. Anyone know more about whether or not this is appropriate. I carry $300,000 liability insurance as well as a $1,000,000 umbrella policy.

If you have any info on this "additional insured" clause, please let me know. Thanks.

My land line through Verizon has been out of service since Wednesday with an estimated repair date of next week. Even then they can't be sure that when they fix a large cable it will restore service. They said if it doesn't come back by that date call us and we'll check you home line.

Huh? And if I have an emergency in the meantime?

I think Verizon is letting it's copper wire system fall apart. They want you to sign up for FIOS so they can sell you internet too and poor service is their way of encouraging you.

I'm seriously considering just buying a bunch of Trac phones.

As to the insurance thing, I think a lot of places want to be named as additional insured to reduce their own insurance cost at your expense. It's akin to you making every other driver buy uninsured motorist coverage in case you got hit by one.

Bottom line, you pay more.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

They said on the news the other day.......scam calls will make up 50% of all calls on cell phones, in one year.

I got my second span callon my cell phone right after I talked to Verizon. Funny since I rarely use that phone for anything except family calls. Could Verizon be selling phone numbers?

jmonroe1

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

They said on the news the other day.......scam calls will make up 50% of all calls on cell phones, in one year.

I got my second span callon my cell phone right after I talked to Verizon. Funny since I rarely use that phone for anything except family calls. Could Verizon be selling phone numbers?

And I thought I was paranoid.

jmonroe

abacomike

Years ago when I lived in Chicago, I was a Bears fan when McMahon was the quarterback.  Whenever they won, it was always called “winning ugly” because there were so many turnovers during the game.

Well, Miami just won “ugly” with only 42 rushing yards in the first 3 quarters and Tannehill the quarterback had 39 of those rushing yards.  Miami’s last play of the 4th quarter was a 63 yard rushing TD play.

They are 3-0 on the season - unbelievable.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

jmonroe1 said:

I will try to say this as s-l-o-w-l-y as possible. The brakes heat up, the hot air from the brakes has to go somewhere, if it flows out through the louvers it will move away from the brakes - faster than it would if sealed up in the rear fender or wheel well. Not that Camry drivers drive that fast, but, it makes the car look like it is faster since it needs the brakes to be cooled.

Hey guys, am I the only one that doesn't understand his logic? Anyway, I'm probably the only dope responding to this.jmonroe

But the wheel wells are solid walls--they don't put holes in the wells for water, salt, dirt, and air to go through to other parts of the vehicle. So the wheels wells likely aren't being vented here.

On my Mustang there are vents in the front fascia that direct air through the wheel well to dissipate both air pressure and brake heat.. The Ford expert at the dealership took great pride in pointing them out.

Thanks for the input oldfarmer.
The great vent debate continues.................ventgate!

driver100

Nice pictures OF....I like that Hummer, but, I hear they are a lot of trouble to own. Otherwise I would have snapped that one up.
I have no idea what that last car was. My wife said I could buy a cruise car, like a 58 T-Bird, but, I thought, I don't need a part time job trying to keep it running........actually, I mean, finding a mechanic who could keep it running. It would be a different life, you would have to like going to Cruisin Shows and sit around and talk to other collectors....and watch your car like a hawk.

ab348

bwia said:

Tiger Woods still has a commanding, let's wish him well. 

I was rooting for him to shoot a 78, but since the rest of the field has folded I doubt that would even help much.

stickguy

Farmer, I think I saw the Humvee up there when I toured the museum in July. And a couple other cars that were consigned. I was going to go up this weekend but it did not work out. Maybe next year!

and yes, VZ would love to decommision the old wires if they could

snakeweasel

abacomike said:

Better be careful with that program Mike - you may end up buying a "used" car to go with your newfound thriftiness

No way! I haven't gotten ULTRA ECONOMICAL berri, just ECONOMICAL. Used cars (preowned to be more sophisticated) does not turn me on. I have not yet become "desperate", just "cautious and careful"!

Technically every car at every dealership is preowned. Someone owned it before you, the manufacturer comes to mind.

snakeweasel

stickguy said:

I consider being called cheap a badge of honor. Though if you want to be more polite, can stick with frugal.

When I was "frugal" I preferred the term dirt poor.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

They said on the news the other day.......scam calls will make up 50% of all calls on cell phones, in one year.

That's why I have my phone set only to ring if the number is in my contacts list. At the end of a typical day I will have a dozen or more missed calls but not one voicemail. I guess they are not important.

The last few I actually answered the told me they were calling on a recorded line. I immediately stated that I do not consent to the call being recorded. They usually hang up right there.