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driver100

isellhondas said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

ab348 said:

bwia said:

How Much Gas Tax Adds to Cost of Filling Up

30. Massachusetts
• State gas tax: 26.5 cents per gallon.
• Gas price as of mid-Jan. 2019: $2.49 per gallon. (14th highest)
• State taxes as pct. of gas price: 10.7 percent (14th lowest)
• Annual miles traveled per driver: 12,265 (8th lowest)

29. Ohio
• State gas tax: 28.0 cents per gallon.
• Gas price as of mid-Jan. 2019: $2.06 per gallon. (16th lowest)
• State taxes as pct. of gas price: 13.6 percent (23rd highest)
• Annual miles traveled per driver: 14,873 (21st highest)
Read more at https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/02/05/gas-tax-state-what-costs-fill-up-your-car-across-country/38908491/

Well, let me tell you about where I live.

Here we have a 10 cent federal excise tax and a 15.5 cent provincial fuel tax. To that is added a 15% retail sales tax, which is calculated after those taxes are included in the price, so it is a tax on a tax.

Oh wait, that is all per liter!

Multiply everything by 3.78 (L/US gallon) and you can approximate the amount per US gallon.

Today here, RUG is $1.00 per liter. If you roll back the various taxes in that calculation, the actual no-tax cost of gas here right now is about 61 cents per liter or $2.32/US gallon. But add in the tax and it is $3.78 per US gallon, with taxes representing about $1.46 of that amount per gallon.

Welcome to Kanada.

WOW, and here in PA I thought we were being screwed.

I don't think anyone would blame you guys for changing the name of your country to Screwya or Taxada.

jmonroe

We do have "free" health care.........and that is worth something. I think of the extra money I pay for gas as insurance for medical care.

Are you serious? Do you really think your health care is FREE? Here in the US most of us were taught at an early age that there is no such thing as a free lunch. The rest have credit card debt that is out of sight.

jmonroe

It's called Socialized Medicine and it is far from "free"! Hard to even get in many cases!

Out of the 33 developed countries, 32 have universal health care.

cdnpinhead

. . . and all of them come to the U.S. if they need help (especially sophisticated help) right now. Go figure.

berri

How does Scandinavia do it? They seem to have a good medical system and happy citizens.

abacomike

driver100 said:

How Much Gas Tax Adds to Cost of Filling Up 30. Massachusetts • State gas tax: 26.5 cents per gallon. • Gas price as of mid-Jan. 2019: $2.49 per gallon. (14th highest) • State taxes as pct. of gas price: 10.7 percent (14th lowest) • Annual miles traveled per driver: 12,265 (8th lowest) 29. Ohio • State gas tax: 28.0 cents per gallon. • Gas price as of mid-Jan. 2019: $2.06 per gallon. (16th lowest) • State taxes as pct. of gas price: 13.6 percent (23rd highest) • Annual miles traveled per driver: 14,873 (21st highest) Read more at https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/02/05/gas-tax-state-what-costs-fill-up-your-car-across-country/38908491/

Well, let me tell you about where I live. Here we have a 10 cent federal excise tax and a 15.5 cent provincial fuel tax. To that is added a 15% retail sales tax, which is calculated after those taxes are included in the price, so it is a tax on a tax. Oh wait, that is all per liter! Multiply everything by 3.78 (L/US gallon) and you can approximate the amount per US gallon. Today here, RUG is $1.00 per liter. If you roll back the various taxes in that calculation, the actual no-tax cost of gas here right now is about 61 cents per liter or $2.32/US gallon. But add in the tax and it is $3.78 per US gallon, with taxes representing about $1.46 of that amount per gallon. Welcome to Kanada.

WOW, and here in PA I thought we were being screwed. I don't think anyone would blame you guys for changing the name of your country to Screwya or Taxada. jmonroe

We do have "free" health care.........and that is worth something. I think of the extra money I pay for gas as insurance for medical care.

Are you serious? Do you really think your health care is FREE? Here in the US most of us were taught at an early age that there is no such thing as a free lunch. The rest have credit card debt that is out of sight. jmonroe

It's called Socialized Medicine and it is far from "free"! Hard to even get in many cases!

Out of the 33 developed countries, 32 have universal health care.

It’s not universal health care that I oppose or question - it’s how can a country of 320 million people with a deficit of 22 trillion dollars afford to pay for health care for all?  Added to that is the fact that our wonderful country always seems to muck up anything it oversees.  I guess if the government raises taxes on everyone by 20%. they could provide universal healthcare.  

cdnpinhead

Small populations of highly-educated people with near-identical ethnic backgrounds (well, until recently) that include something resembling a work ethic. The next ten years will prove interesting.

stickguy

It’s not universal health care that I oppose or question - it’s how can a country of 320 million people with a deficit of 22 trillion dollars afford to pay for health care for all?  Added to that is the fact that our wonderful country always seems to muck up anything it oversees.  I guess if the government raises taxes on everyone by 20%. they could provide universal healthcare.  

Mike, health care insurance is already being paid for, from various sources. And very inefficiently. So yeah, some (much?) of the money for it will come from corporate taxes (and personal too), but that should be offset by what companies and people are paying for the insurance today. Basically redirecting all that money into the medicare for all plan, instead of market insurance.

abacomike

stickguy said:

It’s not universal health care that I oppose or question - it’s how can a country of 320 million people with a deficit of 22 trillion dollars afford to pay for health care for all?  Added to that is the fact that our wonderful country always seems to muck up anything it oversees.  I guess if the government raises taxes on everyone by 20%. they could provide universal healthcare.   Mike, health care insurance is already being paid for, from various sources. And very inefficiently. So yeah, some (much?) of the money for it will come from corporate taxes (and personal too), but that should be offset by what companies and people are paying for the insurance today. Basically redirecting all that money into the medicare for all plan, instead of market insurance.

It’s easier said than done! 

imidazol97

Taxes. Hmmm. @snakeweasel have you seen this happen before?

Just learned the new owners of the business where my daughter-in-law worked did not withhold school district earnings taxes from pay stubs for the residence school district.

Further they didn't withhold city earnings tax for the municipality where she works. She's worked there for 7 months and the new company has owned it for about 4. They didn't withhold for anyone. The company is based in another state.

I told my son to wait a few days to see what the company owning the business and their payroll company are going to do. I wonder if the payroll processing company has insurance for this kind of error and will pay the amounts without taking money from the workers' checks as an errors and omissions mistake--at least for 2018. They 1.5 months into 2019 with no withholding already. LOL

It messes up me and my son on doing the taxes for the Ohio forms which include school district forms for those that have the earnings tax. I suppose we can go ahead and file the State of Ohio tax form and file the School District form before April 15. I'll have to call.

Has anyone seen this kind of mistake before?

DIL doesn't have to file a return for the city of employment since she doesn't live there. But she does have to file one for her city of residence which has a city earnings tax, but she can't show she the earnings tax to the city of employment so that the residence city forgives that amount from from you owe them.

imidazol97

abacomike said:

stickguy said:

It’s not universal health care that I oppose or question - it’s how can a country of 320 million people with a deficit of 22 trillion dollars afford to pay for health care for all?  Added to that is the fact that our wonderful country always seems to muck up anything it oversees.  I guess if the government raises taxes on everyone by 20%. they could provide universal healthcare.  

Mike, health care insurance is already being paid for, from various sources. And very inefficiently. So yeah, some (much?) of the money for it will come from corporate taxes (and personal too), but that should be offset by what companies and people are paying for the insurance today. Basically redirecting all that money into the medicare for all plan, instead of market insurance.

It’s easier said than done! 


We're already paying a lot for the legal citizens. We pay for insurance for workers through the prices we pay. We pay for social security and medicare through taxes on wages. We pay for hospitals and other health care groups through Social Services levies. Our county just raised one of the two they carry by the usual majority vote on the property tax increase.

And we pay for hospitals and other services through County and City taxes where they pay for indigent care. That has partly been replaced by Medicaid expansion.

It's all private and there's competition. Imagine with no competition and the lifetime politicians in Congress and their buddies in the agencies running things. It won't be run like a business: it will be the corruption mill worse than even now in the case of pols and the government workers.

That's my opinion. Back to cars and taxes--safer topics.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

When my son was in HS band, I was the primary equipment truck driver, and used to pick up the truck at Ryder. The first time, I just told him I was there for the band truck, showed him my license, and was good to go. he walked me over, showed me how to turn it on and use the (air) parking brake (truck did not even have a Park gear, you stopped it in neutral). Might have asked if the mirrors were ok. Then he waived and went back inside. I was there a lot and would chat at the counter, and the age was 18 minimum. so a HS kid that had proof of insurance and a DL could take a truck.

this was a 26' box Freightliner or IH diesel. A very large vehicle that required specific ability to drive safely IMO. That you did not even have to prove around the lot you could do it was scary.

How about the retirees who jump in a motor home as big as a bus and just ride off into the sunset? I almost got taken out on the NYS Thruway by a motor home towing a BMW who forgot the extra 15’ of the car and cut in just enough to clear the big vehicle’s bumper. I got a good view of the car’s interior as I took the shoulder and slammed on the brakes.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

berri said:

Doesn't Florida have an electronic toll pass or some such?

Yes - I have a transponder - SUN-PASS is what it’s called.  Good for all toll roads in Florida and for parking at airports.  I believe it’s good for bridges as well - the bridges down here are all SUN-PASS friendly

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Yes, about half the people have them and zip through. People like us go on a toll road about 6 times a year...probably not worth the charge for a transponder. In this day and age they should be able to email you a bill, which you would pay electronically instead of having toll collectors...though, I guess it does give people jobs.


MA does that for the Mass Pike although they gouge you with a higher fee.

Mr_Shiftright

cdnpinhead said:

. . . and all of them come to the U.S. if they need help (especially sophisticated help) right now. Go figure.

If they are rich and dying.

henryn

When you say "Medicare for all", the key term is "Medicare". The government has been running Medicare since 1965, and based on my experiences, they are doing a pretty good job.

ab348

Mr_Shiftright said:

If they are rich and dying.

Or not rich, just dying. We had a case here recently where the govt agreed to send a guy with some rare type of cancer to the US for some new treatment that isn’t available here. The bill to the taxpayers here was $900K.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

fintail said:

No system is perfect and no doubt there are issues there, but I don't personally know any Canadians (or anyone else in the developed world) demanding an American style system. I wonder why that is.

Jumping to an extreme case does not help one's argument.

Many Canadians would be happier with a system that is a hybrid and allows some sort of flexibility to get care faster/better if there was some supplemental coverage or a private component. But that is called "jumping the queue" which is deemed somehow evil by those defenders of the state system.

Sometimes even free isn’t free. One of our drivers took a snow mobile trip to Canada and wrapped himself around a tree. I don’t have all the details but it seems the Canadian system couldn’t or wouldn’t accept his health insurance. He was presented a $50k plus bill and the collectors are now hounding him.

oldfarmer50

jmonroe1 said:

I have an EZ-Pass for both of our cars. It is too convenient not to. The last 8 years that I worked (as a consultant with my old employer) I found travelling the PA Pike for about 20 miles each way was too inconvenient not to have them. So after trying to teach the state a lesson for about 2 weeks, I decided I better get one and make my life easier. I worked with several people you lived not too far from me and although they had EZ-Pass most of them didn't want to spend the money travelling the Pike everyday like I did. So, they drove about 25 miles through a few smallish towns hitting many red lights and countless stop signs along with beating up their cars doing it. Whereas, I just bit the bullet, took the Pike, put the car in cruise and enjoyed my ride to and from work. Rain or shine Summer and Winter.

However, my cheap fellow employees would take the Pike on snow days (we don't get a whole lot of them) because it is well known that the Pike is plowed and salted when it snows and traffic usually moves along nicely on snow days.

I look at the cost to travel the PA Pike as a toll most of the time but come snow days I look at it as a plow and salt tax.

FWIW, @oldfarmer50 would NEVER pay to drive his cars through salt. I know that for a fact.

jmonroe

Think how much I would save by leaving my cars in the garage and buming a ride with you.

FYI, I do have two vehicles that I drive in winter. Both together aren’t worth $4000 so I don’t care.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

fintail said:

Weirdly enough, Canada has higher life expectancy (by 3 years), and exponentially smaller risk of losing everything you worked for due to a tragic medical diagnosis - all while spending less per capita. No system is perfect and no doubt there are issues there, but I don't personally know any Canadians (or anyone else in the developed world) demanding an American style system. I wonder why that is.

ab348 said:

Fin, the health care system here is run by govt, not just paid for by them, which makes a huge difference in how it performs. You have all of the problems of a massive bureaucracy and the resultant lack of flexibility, productivity and accountability that goes with that. Plus there is never enough money to keep up with the tech or even to maintain facilities properly, while closing some outdated facilities in locations that have been left behind by the population is tantamount to unthinkable.

You may not face medical bankruptcy here, but you may well die or have quality of life severely limited before that could happen anyway because of lack of proper and timely treatment. There is no free lunch.

I removed the parties so it wouldn't be political.

The vast majority of Americans, 70 percent, now support Medicare-for-all, otherwise known as single-payer health care, according to a new Reuters survey. That includes 85 percent of --------- and 52 percent of --------. Only 20 percent of Americans say they outright oppose the idea.

And they say there’s no market for snake oil. Everybody is in favor of free stuff until they have to pay for it.

oldfarmer50

berri said:

How does Scandinavia do it? They seem to have a good medical system and happy citizens.

We provide them with military protection.

Mr_Shiftright

ab348 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

If they are rich and dying.

Or not rich, just dying. We had a case here recently where the govt agreed to send a guy with some rare type of cancer to the US for some new treatment that isn’t available here. The bill to the taxpayers here was $900K.

I've heard of that happening if a) the likelihood of success is high and if it assists the research of the funding agency. It's a pretty rare occurrence, though. Well, good for that guy!

It's a pretty solid statistic, though, in America that the richer you are, the longer you live. The difference can be 10-15 years between rich and poor in the U.S. Of course, some of that could be lifestyle, certainly.

That's one reason Medicare is so great. It allows you to take care of yourself with preventative measures.

stickguy

after way too much time fighting with my desktop computer, printer, and various websites (I much preferred when the company just mailed me a W-2, instead of having to log in and print off my own), I finally have all my documents ready to start my taxes! But it took so much out of me, had to take the rest of the night off. Maybe tomorrow I will do the dirty work. I am still nervous about what the result is going to be. I had the fed in the past few years dialed down to just about exactly what I was supposed to pay. That would be fine again, but I really don't want to have to cut a large check to the feds!

Mr_Shiftright

oldfarmer50 said:

berri said:

How does Scandinavia do it? They seem to have a good medical system and happy citizens.

We provide them with military protection.

Not Sweden or Finland. They aren't NATO. And even if you were in NATO, I wouldn't count on it coming anytime soon enough. Besides, who would attack Denmark? And Norwegians are among the world's richest people and spend the highest per capita for military, among European NATO members. They aren't slackers.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

When my son was in HS band, I was the primary equipment truck driver, and used to pick up the truck at Ryder. The first time, I just told him I was there for the band truck, showed him my license, and was good to go. he walked me over, showed me how to turn it on and use the (air) parking brake (truck did not even have a Park gear, you stopped it in neutral). Might have asked if the mirrors were ok. Then he waived and went back inside. I was there a lot and would chat at the counter, and the age was 18 minimum. so a HS kid that had proof of insurance and a DL could take a truck.

this was a 26' box Freightliner or IH diesel. A very large vehicle that required specific ability to drive safely IMO. That you did not even have to prove around the lot you could do it was scary.

How about the retirees who jump in a motor home as big as a bus and just ride off into the sunset? I almost got taken out on the NYS Thruway by a motor home towing a BMW who forgot the extra 15’ of the car and cut in just enough to clear the big vehicle’s bumper. I got a good view of the car’s interior as I took the shoulder and slammed on the brakes.

Now who is grumpy?

Actually, I know what you mean, I am extra careful around trailers and RVs.......they seem awkward and the drivers aren't aware of the problems they cause all around them.

stickguy

I try to be extra vigilant around U hauls. Never know who is driving one of those!

driver100

Not sure this will copy right. I took out other numbers...most important, fatalities per 100000 by state. I thought Florida would be high...it is pretty high but there are some that are worse.



Posted December 2018.

Data subsections:
Fatal crash totals Deaths by road user Crash types Alcohol involvement Restraint use Rural versus urban
Fatal crash totals
There were 34,247 fatal motor vehicle crashes in the United States in 2017 in which 37,133 deaths occurred. This resulted in 11.4 deaths per 100,000 people and 1.16 deaths per 100 million miles traveled. The fatality rate per 100,000 people ranged from 4.5 in the District of Columbia to 23.1 in Mississippi. The death rate per 100 million miles traveled ranged from 0.58 in Massachusetts to 1.80 in South Carolina. 1

Population, fatal motor vehicle crashes, motor vehicle crash deaths and motor vehicle crash death rates per state, 2017
State Population Vehicle miles traveled (millions) Fatal crashes Deaths Deaths per 100,000 population Deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled
Population, fatal motor vehicle crashes, motor vehicle crash deaths and motor vehicle crash death rates per state, 2017
State Population Deaths per 100,000 population
Alabama 4,874,747 ....................................19.4
Alaska 739,795 .....................................10.7
Arizona 7,016,270 ..............................14.3
Arkansas 3,004,279 ............................16.4
California 39,536,653 .........................9.1
Colorado 5,607,154 ............................11.6
Connecticut 3,588,184 ....................7.7
Delaware 961,939 10,242 ..........................12.4
District of Columbia 693,972 ............4.5
Florida 20,984,400 ....... 14.8
Georgia 10,429,379 ...........................14.8
Hawaii 1,427,538 ....................................7.5
Idaho 1,716,943 ...........................14.2
Illinois 12,802,023 ...........................8.6
Indiana 6,666,818 .....................................13.7
Iowa 3,145,711 ..................................10.5
Kansas 2,913,123 ...................................15.8
Kentucky 4,454,189 ........................17.6
Louisiana 4,684,333 ...........................16.2
Maine 1,335,907 ...............................12.9
Maryland 6,052,177 ..................9.1
Massachusetts 6,859,819 ...................5.1
Michigan 9,962,311 ...............................10.3
Minnesota 5,576,606 ......................6.4
Mississippi 2,984,100 ................23.1
Missouri 6,113,532 ......................15.2
Montana 1,050,493 .....................17.7
Nebraska 1,920,076 ........................11.9
Nevada 2,998,039 .....................10.3
New Hampshire 1,342,795 ........7.6
New Jersey 9,005,644 ................ 6.9
New Mexico 2,088,070 ................ 18.2
New York 19,849,399 ................ 5.0
North Carolina 10,273,419 ......... 13.7
North Dakota 755,393 ..............................15.2
Ohio 11,658,609 ........................ 10.1
Oklahoma 3,930,864......................... 16.7
Oregon 4,142,776 ..................................10.5
Pennsylvania 12,805,537 .................... 8.9
Rhode Island 1,059,639 ..................... 7.8
South Carolina 5,024,369........... 19.7
South Dakota 869,666 .....................14.8 .
Tennessee 6,715,984 ................. 15.5
Texas 28,304,596 ......................13.1
Utah 3,101,833 ....................................8.8
Vermont 623,657 ......................................11.1
Virginia 8,470,020 ............................... 9.9
Washington 7,405,743 .....................7.6
West Virginia 1,815,857 .....................16.7
Wisconsin 5,795,483 .....................10.6
Wyoming 579,315 ..........................21.2
U.S. total 325,719,178 .................11.4
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FULL CHART U.S.A.


Canada is 5.26, Germany 3.54.
World Chart

stickguy

New Jersey was surprisingly low. Nice.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:

fintail said:

No system is perfect and no doubt there are issues there, but I don't personally know any Canadians (or anyone else in the developed world) demanding an American style system. I wonder why that is.

Jumping to an extreme case does not help one's argument.

Many Canadians would be happier with a system that is a hybrid and allows some sort of flexibility to get care faster/better if there was some supplemental coverage or a private component. But that is called "jumping the queue" which is deemed somehow evil by those defenders of the state system.

Sometimes even free isn’t free. One of our drivers took a snow mobile trip to Canada and wrapped himself around a tree. I don’t have all the details but it seems the Canadian system couldn’t or wouldn’t accept his health insurance. He was presented a $50k plus bill and the collectors are now hounding him.

Wait, it isn't free unless you are a Canadian citizen. Doesn't cover visitors. The problem is with his insurance...he should have had travel insurance. If you deliver cars to Canada you should have travel insurance too....some credit cards give you up to 15 days included.

driver100

stickguy said:

I try to be extra vigilant around U hauls. Never know who is driving one of those!

My father taught me to be careful around U-Hauls....often inexperienced truck drivers. Also, be careful around any cars with dents in it....not a good sign.

explorerx4

@stickguy,
I have the NY Port Authority transponders(3 or 4), too. Didn't cost anything. On automatic replenish.

Mr_Shiftright

RE: Auto fatalities. Now isn't this interesting: The states with the highest speed limits are consistently among the states with the highest death rates. But not consistently enough to actually prove anything. Could be a case of correlation rather than causation?

Also, I'm not sure what the hell's going on in South Carolina and Alabama, but it can't be good.

fintail

Drive in SC and AL. It is interesting. The US is as diverse as continental Europe in terms of development - some places are Germany, some are Albania.

fintail

Which extreme case? I am simply saying Canadians on average live longer, spend less for healthcare to reach that age, and don't have to fret over financial ruin related to their health.

Many Americans would like a more affordable less risky system, too.

ab348 said:

Jumping to an extreme case does not help one's argument.

Many Canadians would be happier with a system that is a hybrid and allows some sort of flexibility to get care faster/better if there was some supplemental coverage or a private component. But that is called "jumping the queue" which is deemed somehow evil by those defenders of the state system.

fintail

And who is the intended beneficiary? People, or a certain complex that Ike warned us about? I don't see much altruism out there.

oldfarmer50 said:

We provide them with military protection.

fintail

Any data on the numbers who come stateside? I can get data about their life expectancy and per capita expenses. Oh yeah, and how many of them go bankrupt or lose their nest egg via medical expenses. It's a very small round number.

cdnpinhead said:

. . . and all of them come to the U.S. if they need help (especially sophisticated help) right now. Go figure.

suydam

Can we move on to another topic? And remind me to stay out of Mississippi! What’s with that crash rate?

cdnpinhead

Well, let's hope this one doesn't get shut down too.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

When my son was in HS band, I was the primary equipment truck driver, and used to pick up the truck at Ryder. The first time, I just told him I was there for the band truck, showed him my license, and was good to go. he walked me over, showed me how to turn it on and use the (air) parking brake (truck did not even have a Park gear, you stopped it in neutral). Might have asked if the mirrors were ok. Then he waived and went back inside. I was there a lot and would chat at the counter, and the age was 18 minimum. so a HS kid that had proof of insurance and a DL could take a truck.

this was a 26' box Freightliner or IH diesel. A very large vehicle that required specific ability to drive safely IMO. That you did not even have to prove around the lot you could do it was scary.

How about the retirees who jump in a motor home as big as a bus and just ride off into the sunset? I almost got taken out on the NYS Thruway by a motor home towing a BMW who forgot the extra 15’ of the car and cut in just enough to clear the big vehicle’s bumper. I got a good view of the car’s interior as I took the shoulder and slammed on the brakes.

Now who is grumpy?

Actually, I know what you mean, I am extra careful around trailers and RVs.......they seem awkward and the drivers aren't aware of the problems they cause all around them.

As an American I’m expected to be grumpy and obnoxious. We expect more of you Canadians.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

Not sure this will copy right. I took out other numbers...most important, fatalities per 100000 by state. I thought Florida would be high...it is pretty high but there are some that are worse.



Posted December 2018.

Data subsections:
Fatal crash totals Deaths by road user Crash types Alcohol involvement Restraint use Rural versus urban
Fatal crash totals
There were 34,247 fatal motor vehicle crashes in the United States in 2017 in which 37,133 deaths occurred. This resulted in 11.4 deaths per 100,000 people and 1.16 deaths per 100 million miles traveled. The fatality rate per 100,000 people ranged from 4.5 in the District of Columbia to 23.1 in Mississippi. The death rate per 100 million miles traveled ranged from 0.58 in Massachusetts to 1.80 in South Carolina. 1

Population, fatal motor vehicle crashes, motor vehicle crash deaths and motor vehicle crash death rates per state, 2017
State Population Vehicle miles traveled (millions) Fatal crashes Deaths Deaths per 100,000 population Deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled
Population, fatal motor vehicle crashes, motor vehicle crash deaths and motor vehicle crash death rates per state, 2017
State Population Deaths per 100,000 population
Alabama 4,874,747 ....................................19.4
Alaska 739,795 .....................................10.7
Arizona 7,016,270 ..............................14.3
Arkansas 3,004,279 ............................16.4
California 39,536,653 .........................9.1
Colorado 5,607,154 ............................11.6
Connecticut 3,588,184 ....................7.7
Delaware 961,939 10,242 ..........................12.4
District of Columbia 693,972 ............4.5
Florida 20,984,400 ....... 14.8
Georgia 10,429,379 ...........................14.8
Hawaii 1,427,538 ....................................7.5
Idaho 1,716,943 ...........................14.2
Illinois 12,802,023 ...........................8.6
Indiana 6,666,818 .....................................13.7
Iowa 3,145,711 ..................................10.5
Kansas 2,913,123 ...................................15.8
Kentucky 4,454,189 ........................17.6
Louisiana 4,684,333 ...........................16.2
Maine 1,335,907 ...............................12.9
Maryland 6,052,177 ..................9.1
Massachusetts 6,859,819 ...................5.1
Michigan 9,962,311 ...............................10.3
Minnesota 5,576,606 ......................6.4
Mississippi 2,984,100 ................23.1
Missouri 6,113,532 ......................15.2
Montana 1,050,493 .....................17.7
Nebraska 1,920,076 ........................11.9
Nevada 2,998,039 .....................10.3
New Hampshire 1,342,795 ........7.6
New Jersey 9,005,644 ................ 6.9
New Mexico 2,088,070 ................ 18.2
New York 19,849,399 ................ 5.0
North Carolina 10,273,419 ......... 13.7
North Dakota 755,393 ..............................15.2
Ohio 11,658,609 ........................ 10.1
Oklahoma 3,930,864......................... 16.7
Oregon 4,142,776 ..................................10.5
Pennsylvania 12,805,537 .................... 8.9
Rhode Island 1,059,639 ..................... 7.8
South Carolina 5,024,369........... 19.7
South Dakota 869,666 .....................14.8 .
Tennessee 6,715,984 ................. 15.5
Texas 28,304,596 ......................13.1
Utah 3,101,833 ....................................8.8
Vermont 623,657 ......................................11.1
Virginia 8,470,020 ............................... 9.9
Washington 7,405,743 .....................7.6
West Virginia 1,815,857 .....................16.7
Wisconsin 5,795,483 .....................10.6
Wyoming 579,315 ..........................21.2
U.S. total 325,719,178 .................11.4
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FULL CHART U.S.A.


Canada is 5.26, Germany 3.54.
World Chart

NY is the safest listed but when you consider about 60% of the population lives in NYC where nobody owns a car, not as safe as you’d think.

Michaell

I've probably told this story before, but since we're talking about Canada, I thought I'd share again.

One of my first business trips to Canada took me to Toronto, in April or May. The weather was unseasonably warm, for the time of year (that fact becomes important later in the story).

The customer I visited had season tickets to the Blue Jays, so I was their guest one night. During the game, all the lights flickered, but stayed on.

After the game, we were walking back to the hotel - my hosts were going to catch TTC home from the nearest station. We both noticed something odd as we walked through downtown, but it took us 5 or 10 minutes to figure it out.

The city was blacked out.

Now, in most American cities, you'd see looting and such. Not in Toronto - the streets were eerily quiet, and when we got back to the hotel, I noticed all the guests were in the bar, trying to drink all the beer before it got warm.

Oh, Canada, indeed!

ab348

suydam said:

Can we move on to another topic? And remind me to stay out of Mississippi! What’s with that crash rate?

I agree, and I apologize for disrupting the conversation. I don't comment typically on the US medical system (or US politics) because I don't live there, have no stake in it, and know very little about it aside from what I read in the media which is almost always slanted one way or the other. I think that is generally a good principle for others to follow too when dealing with other countries.

dino001

Mr_Shiftright said:

RE: Auto fatalities. Now isn't this interesting: The states with the highest speed limits are consistently among the states with the highest death rates. But not consistently enough to actually prove anything. Could be a case of correlation rather than causation?

Also, I'm not sure what the hell's going on in South Carolina and Alabama, but it can't be good.

It’s called barbeque and fried chicken. Oh, you’re talking about the motor vehicle accident deaths, not heart attacks. Well, it’s probably combination of driver’s age, low skill, lax enforcement and poverty (poor vehicle condition).

driver100

There are a few factors that put Mississippi at the top of the fatality rate but this is the main one;
Mississippi is generally a more rural state, and (nationally) you have the vast majority of fatalities on rural roads.”

Hospitals in rural areas tend to be smaller and farther from crash sites. And rural roads usually have higher speed limits than city streets, which makes crashes more severe. City speed limits rarely go over 45 miles per hour. But outside of the city, they can go as high as 70 miles per hour in Mississippi.

Mississippi is a very rural state – the fourth-most rural state in the country, according to U.S. Census data from 2010, with more than half of the state’s residents living in rural areas. And the state’s fatality rates reflect the toll that this takes on its residents. Nationally, 50 percent of traffic fatalities occur on rural roads. In Mississippi, that number is 98 percent, according to 2016 data from the CDC.

This also helps to explain why more populated states have lower rates.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

Not sure this will copy right. I took out other numbers...most important, fatalities per 100000 by state. I thought Florida would be high...it is pretty high but there are some that are worse.



Posted December 2018.

Data subsections:
Fatal crash totals Deaths by road user Crash types Alcohol involvement Restraint use Rural versus urban
Fatal crash totals
There were 34,247 fatal motor vehicle crashes in the United States in 2017 in which 37,133 deaths occurred. This resulted in 11.4 deaths per 100,000 people and 1.16 deaths per 100 million miles traveled. The fatality rate per 100,000 people ranged from 4.5 in the District of Columbia to 23.1 in Mississippi. The death rate per 100 million miles traveled ranged from 0.58 in Massachusetts to 1.80 in South Carolina. 1

Population, fatal motor vehicle crashes, motor vehicle crash deaths and motor vehicle crash death rates per state, 2017
State Population Vehicle miles traveled (millions) Fatal crashes Deaths Deaths per 100,000 population Deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled
Population, fatal motor vehicle crashes, motor vehicle crash deaths and motor vehicle crash death rates per state, 2017
State Population Deaths per 100,000 population
Alabama 4,874,747 ....................................19.4
Alaska 739,795 .....................................10.7
Arizona 7,016,270 ..............................14.3
Arkansas 3,004,279 ............................16.4
California 39,536,653 .........................9.1
Colorado 5,607,154 ............................11.6
Connecticut 3,588,184 ....................7.7
Delaware 961,939 10,242 ..........................12.4
District of Columbia 693,972 ............4.5
Florida 20,984,400 ....... 14.8
Georgia 10,429,379 ...........................14.8
Hawaii 1,427,538 ....................................7.5
Idaho 1,716,943 ...........................14.2
Illinois 12,802,023 ...........................8.6
Indiana 6,666,818 .....................................13.7
Iowa 3,145,711 ..................................10.5
Kansas 2,913,123 ...................................15.8
Kentucky 4,454,189 ........................17.6
Louisiana 4,684,333 ...........................16.2
Maine 1,335,907 ...............................12.9
Maryland 6,052,177 ..................9.1
Massachusetts 6,859,819 ...................5.1
Michigan 9,962,311 ...............................10.3
Minnesota 5,576,606 ......................6.4
Mississippi 2,984,100 ................23.1
Missouri 6,113,532 ......................15.2
Montana 1,050,493 .....................17.7
Nebraska 1,920,076 ........................11.9
Nevada 2,998,039 .....................10.3
New Hampshire 1,342,795 ........7.6
New Jersey 9,005,644 ................ 6.9
New Mexico 2,088,070 ................ 18.2
New York 19,849,399 ................ 5.0
North Carolina 10,273,419 ......... 13.7
North Dakota 755,393 ..............................15.2
Ohio 11,658,609 ........................ 10.1
Oklahoma 3,930,864......................... 16.7
Oregon 4,142,776 ..................................10.5
Pennsylvania 12,805,537 .................... 8.9
Rhode Island 1,059,639 ..................... 7.8
South Carolina 5,024,369........... 19.7
South Dakota 869,666 .....................14.8 .
Tennessee 6,715,984 ................. 15.5
Texas 28,304,596 ......................13.1
Utah 3,101,833 ....................................8.8
Vermont 623,657 ......................................11.1
Virginia 8,470,020 ............................... 9.9
Washington 7,405,743 .....................7.6
West Virginia 1,815,857 .....................16.7
Wisconsin 5,795,483 .....................10.6
Wyoming 579,315 ..........................21.2
U.S. total 325,719,178 .................11.4
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FULL CHART U.S.A.


Canada is 5.26, Germany 3.54.
World Chart

NY is the safest listed but when you consider about 60% of the population lives in NYC where nobody owns a car, not as safe as you’d think.

Even if they do have a car, they can't drive fast enough to kill too many people.

snakeweasel

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

isellhondas said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

ab348 said:

bwia said:

How Much Gas Tax Adds to Cost of Filling Up

30. Massachusetts
• State gas tax: 26.5 cents per gallon.
• Gas price as of mid-Jan. 2019: $2.49 per gallon. (14th highest)
• State taxes as pct. of gas price: 10.7 percent (14th lowest)
• Annual miles traveled per driver: 12,265 (8th lowest)

29. Ohio
• State gas tax: 28.0 cents per gallon.
• Gas price as of mid-Jan. 2019: $2.06 per gallon. (16th lowest)
• State taxes as pct. of gas price: 13.6 percent (23rd highest)
• Annual miles traveled per driver: 14,873 (21st highest)
Read more at https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/02/05/gas-tax-state-what-costs-fill-up-your-car-across-country/38908491/

Well, let me tell you about where I live.

Here we have a 10 cent federal excise tax and a 15.5 cent provincial fuel tax. To that is added a 15% retail sales tax, which is calculated after those taxes are included in the price, so it is a tax on a tax.

Oh wait, that is all per liter!

Multiply everything by 3.78 (L/US gallon) and you can approximate the amount per US gallon.

Today here, RUG is $1.00 per liter. If you roll back the various taxes in that calculation, the actual no-tax cost of gas here right now is about 61 cents per liter or $2.32/US gallon. But add in the tax and it is $3.78 per US gallon, with taxes representing about $1.46 of that amount per gallon.

Welcome to Kanada.

WOW, and here in PA I thought we were being screwed.

I don't think anyone would blame you guys for changing the name of your country to Screwya or Taxada.

jmonroe

We do have "free" health care.........and that is worth something. I think of the extra money I pay for gas as insurance for medical care.

Are you serious? Do you really think your health care is FREE? Here in the US most of us were taught at an early age that there is no such thing as a free lunch. The rest have credit card debt that is out of sight.

jmonroe

It's called Socialized Medicine and it is far from "free"! Hard to even get in many cases!

Out of the 33 developed countries, 32 have universal health care.

It’s not universal health care that I oppose or question - it’s how can a country of 320 million people with a deficit of 22 trillion dollars afford to pay for health care for all?  Added to that is the fact that our wonderful country always seems to muck up anything it oversees.  I guess if the government raises taxes on everyone by 20%. they could provide universal healthcare.  

My question is pursuant to the 10th amendment to the COTUS the Federal government can only do what the COTUS grant's it the power to do and the states can do whatever the COTUS doesn't prohibit them from doing. Since health care isn't in the COTUS the Federal government cannot institute a single payer system, but the states individually can.

Also if you want to see single payer system in practice look at the VA.

oldfarmer50

Not in a million years:

https://www.motortrend.com/news/should-you-ditch-your-car-to-rely-on-uber-and-lyft/?wc_mid=4035:15817&wc_rid=4035:1116404&_wcsid=803D36F0164E42D5126522EAB2C8C7A9F56647A5349C02A9

snakeweasel

abacomike said:

It’s not universal health care that I oppose or question - it’s how can a country of 320 million people with a deficit of 22 trillion dollars afford to pay for health care for all?  Added to that is the fact that our wonderful country always seems to muck up anything it oversees.

To err is human, to really screw things up requires government intervention.

stickguy

Nope. But at least, for a change, they acknowledge this is a big city, urban concept. Not something for the majority of the country.

For some local stuff, ok. But it is a hassle to always be renting a car when you need to go out of town. And if I need to run to the store quick for something, tracking down Uber’s there and back, also a drag.

It’s great for vacations, getting to the airport, going to dealer to get car back for service, and going out a night if drinking. But I could never use it for daily use, or my wife’s commuting, or travelling.

My car might cost more, but their is value in the convenience and freedom (even if I wasn’t someone that liked to drive anyway).

snakeweasel

imidazol97 said:

Taxes. Hmmm. @snakeweasel have you seen this happen before?

Just learned the new owners of the business where my daughter-in-law worked did not withhold school district earnings taxes from pay stubs for the residence school district.

Further they didn't withhold city earnings tax for the municipality where she works. She's worked there for 7 months and the new company has owned it for about 4. They didn't withhold for anyone. The company is based in another state.

I told my son to wait a few days to see what the company owning the business and their payroll company are going to do. I wonder if the payroll processing company has insurance for this kind of error and will pay the amounts without taking money from the workers' checks as an errors and omissions mistake--at least for 2018. They 1.5 months into 2019 with no withholding already. LOL

It messes up me and my son on doing the taxes for the Ohio forms which include school district forms for those that have the earnings tax. I suppose we can go ahead and file the State of Ohio tax form and file the School District form before April 15. I'll have to call.

Has anyone seen this kind of mistake before?

DIL doesn't have to file a return for the city of employment since she doesn't live there. But she does have to file one for her city of residence which has a city earnings tax, but she can't show she the earnings tax to the city of employment so that the residence city forgives that amount from from you owe them.

School district earnings taxes are rare, since the new company is from out of state they may not know it is needed. They may not even have a way to withhold and report the withholdings if they are using in house payroll or even a regional payroll service. Make sure the employer knows of the situation and see if they are working on a solution. Case in point, my employer doesn't have a way to withhold these taxes as they do not exist in this state. If we suddenly had to withhold for them we would have to get our IT department to start working on setting up the proper accounts in the system, inputting the tables, creating the correct reports and such. All the while conferring with different areas of our finance department to make sure it's all done properly for them. Testing of the new withholdings would also have to be done and the process could take a few months.

If you have to file returns for the school district and city income taxes do so. You would just have to pay the difference between the tax and what was withheld for that tax, just like you would do for a balance due Federal or state tax return.

abacomike

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

How Much Gas Tax Adds to Cost of Filling Up 30. Massachusetts • State gas tax: 26.5 cents per gallon. • Gas price as of mid-Jan. 2019: $2.49 per gallon. (14th highest) • State taxes as pct. of gas price: 10.7 percent (14th lowest) • Annual miles traveled per driver: 12,265 (8th lowest) 29. Ohio • State gas tax: 28.0 cents per gallon. • Gas price as of mid-Jan. 2019: $2.06 per gallon. (16th lowest) • State taxes as pct. of gas price: 13.6 percent (23rd highest) • Annual miles traveled per driver: 14,873 (21st highest) Read more at https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/02/05/gas-tax-state-what-costs-fill-up-your-car-across-country/38908491/

Well, let me tell you about where I live. Here we have a 10 cent federal excise tax and a 15.5 cent provincial fuel tax. To that is added a 15% retail sales tax, which is calculated after those taxes are included in the price, so it is a tax on a tax. Oh wait, that is all per liter! Multiply everything by 3.78 (L/US gallon) and you can approximate the amount per US gallon. Today here, RUG is $1.00 per liter. If you roll back the various taxes in that calculation, the actual no-tax cost of gas here right now is about 61 cents per liter or $2.32/US gallon. But add in the tax and it is $3.78 per US gallon, with taxes representing about $1.46 of that amount per gallon. Welcome to Kanada.

WOW, and here in PA I thought we were being screwed. I don't think anyone would blame you guys for changing the name of your country to Screwya or Taxada. jmonroe

We do have "free" health care.........and that is worth something. I think of the extra money I pay for gas as insurance for medical care.

Are you serious? Do you really think your health care is FREE? Here in the US most of us were taught at an early age that there is no such thing as a free lunch. The rest have credit card debt that is out of sight. jmonroe

It's called Socialized Medicine and it is far from "free"! Hard to even get in many cases!

Out of the 33 developed countries, 32 have universal health care.

It’s not universal health care that I oppose or question - it’s how can a country of 320 million people with a deficit of 22 trillion dollars afford to pay for health care for all?  Added to that is the fact that our wonderful country always seems to muck up anything it oversees.  I guess if the government raises taxes on everyone by 20%. they could provide universal healthcare.  

My question is pursuant to the 10th amendment to the COTUS the Federal government can only do what the COTUS grant's it the power to do and the states can do whatever the COTUS doesn't prohibit them from doing. Since health care isn't in the COTUS the Federal government cannot institute a single payer system, but the states individually can. Also if you want to see single payer system in practice look at the VA.

They created Medicare - a single-payer health care system for people over 65 and certain disabled people.  Not much of a jump to get to Medicare for all people!  Haven’t noticed Medicare in the COTUS - but yet there it is!  Leave it to Congress to create a universal healthcare system for everyone. 

snakeweasel

Mr_Shiftright said:

oldfarmer50 said:

berri said:

How does Scandinavia do it? They seem to have a good medical system and happy citizens.

We provide them with military protection.

Not Sweden or Finland. They aren't NATO. And even if you were in NATO, I wouldn't count on it coming anytime soon enough. Besides, who would attack Denmark? And Norwegians are among the world's richest people and spend the highest per capita for military, among European NATO members. They aren't slackers.

If Sweden or Finland are invaded don't you think we wouldn't come to their aid?

ab348

snakeweasel said:

To err is human, to really screw things up requires government intervention.

The real knee-slapper among the bureaucrats here when I worked for the govt was "We're from the government, and we're here to help.". Even they knew that almost never happens.