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stickguy

I still don't believe that ocean liners don't sink. You realize how much those suckers weigh?

ruking1

driver100 said:

ruking1 said:

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

Even if you don't open a glass sunroof, the added light they bring into the interior is welcome, especially with the preponderance of coal-mine black interiors these days.

The sunroof to me is like a balcony in an apartment. I wouldn't want to sit out on one very often, but I feel better knowing it is there and I could sit on it. I like having the sunlight filter in on a cloudy or dark day. Even if the shade is back just a little bit, it gives a more open feeling.

I rarely actually open the sunroof. Mrs D will drive around with the a/c on and the sunroof open....I tell her the whole town appreciates that she is air conditioning the city.

The sunroof in the E400 is an engineering miracle similar to Mikes....the C250 is pretty basic with a shade, and I have to manually pull the shade forward or back Not a big deal, and probably easier than trying to remember what buttons to push or which way to push them.

What you are saying is very true.

For me however, the extra lighting (background to full sunlight) is/are fatiguing for 3 hr to 9 hr. drives.

More fatiguing for me to be in a dark pit........but, at least if you have a sunroof with a shade....you have options

For sure, its to each their own type of thing.

I’m ok with the extra light/s for a while. I’m just glad that I was able to select the SUV/CUV’s I wanted without having to buy (options) a sunroof. We had a 2009 VW Jetta TDI, that had a sunroof. We put 120 k + miles on it before VW diesel sell/buy back.

houdini2

jmonroe1 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

True, true, but you're talking about air travel, not plastic lawn ornaments from China. Next to oxygen and football, most Americans can't live without airplanes.

They thought they couldn't live without landline telephones too...........
Not saying it will happen, but, someone could devise a totally new way of flying or teletransporting humans.......

True indeed, but not by tomorrow morning.

Modern air travel is kind of stupid, if you step way back and think of yourself as an alien visiting earth for the first time.

"Let's see...these people get from one place to another by stuffing 300 people in a metal tube, which they then fill with highly flammable petroleum product, then ignite it, and launch the tube into the air until it lands somewhere else. They then leave the tube and get into smaller petroleum-powered tubes, and then reach outlying parking lots where they get into their own personal petroleum tube".

Not only that, but how do these stupid earthlings expect this multi ton object to fly through the air?

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There was one a science fiction short story I read where they discovered that the reason planes crashed is that a certain # of the passengers stop believing the plane could fly.

Man, you've gotta be a pretty deep thinker to consider something like that.

jmonroe

When flying I do my part in holding the plane up by using sheer willpower.

ruking1

jmonroe1 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

True, true, but you're talking about air travel, not plastic lawn ornaments from China. Next to oxygen and football, most Americans can't live without airplanes.

They thought they couldn't live without landline telephones too...........
Not saying it will happen, but, someone could devise a totally new way of flying or teletransporting humans.......

True indeed, but not by tomorrow morning.

Modern air travel is kind of stupid, if you step way back and think of yourself as an alien visiting earth for the first time.

"Let's see...these people get from one place to another by stuffing 300 people in a metal tube, which they then fill with highly flammable petroleum product, then ignite it, and launch the tube into the air until it lands somewhere else. They then leave the tube and get into smaller petroleum-powered tubes, and then reach outlying parking lots where they get into their own personal petroleum tube".

Not only that, but how do these stupid earthlings expect this multi ton object to fly through the air?

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There was one a science fiction short story I read where they discovered that the reason planes crashed is that a certain # of the passengers stop believing the plane could fly.

Man, you've gotta be a pretty deep thinker to consider something like that.

jmonroe

Indeed, that’s what helps to drive making new realities in the future!

qbrozen

oldfarmer50 said:

Did you choose the car with a sunroof? If yes, why not use it?

No. No choice in the matter.

Mr_Shiftright

It depends on the car whether you'd want a SR or not I think. On a car with generous glass area, like the Mini, I found it kind of superfluous--the wind buffeting was horrendous and the sun always managed to blind me for some reason---but every now and then, with the right conditions, (like driving through a canopy of redwoods), it was very nice to have.

And yes, the drains can clog and then you have a fishtank in your headliner. And they can rattle. Or they can decide that they need reprogramming by a Space-X technician.

On something like a Camaro, you'd want one I think, just to relieve the claustrophobic atmosphere.

Short answer? I can take 'em or leave 'em.

abacomike

stickguy said:

I still don't believe that ocean liners don't sink. You realize how much those suckers weigh?

I am still amazed these B747’s or B787’s can get off the ground and fly.  A true miracle! 

Mr_Shiftright

If you ever measure the thickness of an airplane's skin, you'd know why---it's not about size, it's about weight!

You could destroy a jetliner with a claw hammer---not so much an Abrams tank!

I remember when I worked in Alaska for an air taxi. We'd just STUFF those little planes with cargo but try to keep too much weight off the tail. Sometimes the pilot would take off, and then turn around and land. He's flip open the window, gesture to us and say "Nope, still can't fly".

dino001

So they are grounded, after all. Seems like this one came from the White House. US was literally last one. Now it looks reports are surfacing of at least five incidents on control difficulties reported by American pilots in last few months.

driver100

Mr_Shiftright said:

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

True, true, but you're talking about air travel, not plastic lawn ornaments from China. Next to oxygen and football, most Americans can't live without airplanes.

They thought they couldn't live without landline telephones too...........
Not saying it will happen, but, someone could devise a totally new way of flying or teletransporting humans.......

True indeed, but not by tomorrow morning.

Modern air travel is kind of stupid, if you step way back and think of yourself as an alien visiting earth for the first time.

"Let's see...these people get from one place to another by stuffing 300 people in a metal tube, which they then fill with highly flammable petroleum product, then ignite it, and launch the tube into the air until it lands somewhere else. They then leave the tube and get into smaller petroleum-powered tubes, and then reach outlying parking lots where they get into their own personal petroleum tube".

Not only that, but how do these stupid earthlings expect this multi ton object to fly through the air?

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There was one a science fiction short story I read where they discovered that the reason planes crashed is that a certain # of the passengers stop believing the plane could fly.

We fly back to Toronto on March 31st.....I am going to keep thinking positive thoughts....I know this sucker is going to stay in the air...........
Have to train Trixie too!

ab348

I am sitting here wondering how Boeing could have screwed up flight control so badly. It almost seems like a car maker introducing a vehicle where you turn the wheel left to make a right turn or moving the brake pedal to the far right.

stickguy

Sounds more like an active safety system like AEB that is poorly programmed and randomly slams on the brakes for no reason.

dino001

It's about pushing everything to the limit, so you can squeeze that 50 years old airframe to carry twice the passengers three times as far using half of the fuel than the original version. At some point you just may encounter physical limitations. Engineers always think they have a fix, all they need is a tweak here and tweak there. Sometimes for each problem solved two others may pop up and you start chasing your tale. If you are in the middle of a big project, or worse, near the end of it, you don't quit, you fix it. But do you?

I still think they'll solve this particular problem: software upgrade, training, whatever else. It's just shame almost 300 people may have needed to die. Or perhaps we learn nothing was really wrong with the plane. I'm sure lawyers are already reading the precedent cases and sending their business cards.

ruking1

It looks like we’re going to have quite a few “back up the cargo plane” to SHORT scenarios for BA! Other companies may inadvertently/advertently benefit/suffer. Seems it’s a story that keeps on giving.😱😜😎

dino001

Here is the news:

"After consulting with the Federal Aviation Administration, the National Transportation Safety Board, and airlines, Boeing is throwing its support behind a decision to ground its 737 Max planes."

So Boeing "requested" the grounding. THAT is rich.

snakeweasel

Mr_Shiftright said:

True, true, but you're talking about air travel, not plastic lawn ornaments from China. Next to oxygen and football, most Americans can't live without airplanes.

They thought they couldn't live without landline telephones too........... Not saying it will happen, but, someone could devise a totally new way of flying or teletransporting humans.......

True indeed, but not by tomorrow morning. Modern air travel is kind of stupid, if you step way back and think of yourself as an alien visiting earth for the first time. "Let's see...these people get from one place to another by stuffing 300 people in a metal tube, which they then fill with highly flammable petroleum product, then ignite it, and launch the tube into the air until it lands somewhere else. They then leave the tube and get into smaller petroleum-powered tubes, and then reach outlying parking lots where they get into their own personal petroleum tube".

If you were an alien visiting earth you likely would have done something similar to get here. The only difference would be the fuel used and possibly the shape of the ship.

Mr_Shiftright

It won't be the first time that "safety" features backfire. We're even seeing it with modern cars. It's not something you can get "sorta right".

driver100

It is like trying to get a traffic light located on a busy corner. We all know the corner is extremely dangerous, but they won't install a light until you have a certain number of accidents. Meanwhile, people are injured or have lost their life not to mention $1000s of dollars in accident repairs.....but now the experts know we need a light....so they installed it.

Fly the Max and hope for the best........if something goes wrong a few times, especially something major like a crash, better look into it.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

True, true, but you're talking about air travel, not plastic lawn ornaments from China. Next to oxygen and football, most Americans can't live without airplanes.

They thought they couldn't live without landline telephones too...........
Not saying it will happen, but, someone could devise a totally new way of flying or teletransporting humans.......

True indeed, but not by tomorrow morning.

Modern air travel is kind of stupid, if you step way back and think of yourself as an alien visiting earth for the first time.

"Let's see...these people get from one place to another by stuffing 300 people in a metal tube, which they then fill with highly flammable petroleum product, then ignite it, and launch the tube into the air until it lands somewhere else. They then leave the tube and get into smaller petroleum-powered tubes, and then reach outlying parking lots where they get into their own personal petroleum tube".

If you were an alien visiting earth you likely would have done something similar to get here. The only difference would be the fuel used and possibly the shape of the ship.

Isn't travelling through a vacuum different than flying in air?

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

True, true, but you're talking about air travel, not plastic lawn ornaments from China. Next to oxygen and football, most Americans can't live without airplanes.

They thought they couldn't live without landline telephones too........... Not saying it will happen, but, someone could devise a totally new way of flying or teletransporting humans.......

True indeed, but not by tomorrow morning. Modern air travel is kind of stupid, if you step way back and think of yourself as an alien visiting earth for the first time. "Let's see...these people get from one place to another by stuffing 300 people in a metal tube, which they then fill with highly flammable petroleum product, then ignite it, and launch the tube into the air until it lands somewhere else. They then leave the tube and get into smaller petroleum-powered tubes, and then reach outlying parking lots where they get into their own personal petroleum tube".

If you were an alien visiting earth you likely would have done something similar to get here. The only difference would be the fuel used and possibly the shape of the ship.

Isn't travelling through a vacuum different than flying in air?

Yes, that's why I said something similar. You still have cabin volume issues, weight issues, you are enclosed in a ship of some sort. And so on.

jmonroe1

tjc78 said:

I rarely actually open the sunroof. Mrs D will drive around with the a/c on and the sunroof open....I tell her the whole town appreciates that she is air conditioning the city.

Cold air falls...

Our LaCrosse had the power sunshade over the pano roof. I really liked that. Very convenient.

Our Enclave has the pano roof over the rear seats and a regular sunroof up front. The rear sunroof is far enough back that the front roof slides into the headliner rather than up and over the roof. I just wish the sunshades were power as there are times the kids ask for the shade to be open and that is hard to do while driving

OK Mr. Technical, under normal conditions you are correct, cold air does fall. However, with an outside force this is not true because when you are driving down the road with your A/C on you will lose some if not all of the cool air (depending on speed) due to the creation of an eductor/venturing effect. My brother also drives around with the roof open just like Mrs. Driver does. I don't like the roof opened except to initially open it to purge the hot air in the car after baking on hot Summer days. Not only does the bright sun play hell with me trying to see the info screen, too much noise is created. I like to hear the radio when I drive not road noise, especially bikers showing off their pipes.

FWIW, I might be lost from this site if my phone, which I'm posting from now, acts up like my PC has done for two days now by giving the infamous Howdy Stranger page that will not let me in. When I try I get a "we're having a minor problem" pop-up. For two days, I'd say it ain't minor but different folks categorize things differently. Like a minor heart attack applies to someone else that has one, not you, yourself.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

True, true, but you're talking about air travel, not plastic lawn ornaments from China. Next to oxygen and football, most Americans can't live without airplanes.

They thought they couldn't live without landline telephones too...........
Not saying it will happen, but, someone could devise a totally new way of flying or teletransporting humans.......

True indeed, but not by tomorrow morning.

Modern air travel is kind of stupid, if you step way back and think of yourself as an alien visiting earth for the first time.

"Let's see...these people get from one place to another by stuffing 300 people in a metal tube, which they then fill with highly flammable petroleum product, then ignite it, and launch the tube into the air until it lands somewhere else. They then leave the tube and get into smaller petroleum-powered tubes, and then reach outlying parking lots where they get into their own personal petroleum tube".

If you were an alien visiting earth you likely would have done something similar to get here. The only difference would be the fuel used and possibly the shape of the ship.

Isn't travelling through a vacuum different than flying in air?

Well, not to get too technical here, I'd say travelling in a vacuum would require you to live without breathing. I don't know about you but as each year goes by, holding my breath becomes harder and harder. Now, if you can transport me instantaneously in a vacuum, I could probably be able to handle that.

snakeweasel

jmonroe1 said:

When I try I get a "we're having a minor problem" pop-up. For two days, I'd say it ain't minor but different folks categorize things differently. Like a minor heart attack applies to someone else that has one, not you, yourself. jmonroe

I believe it was Mel Brooks who said that "tragedy is when I cut my finger, comedy is when you fall into an open manhole and die".

Mr_Shiftright

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

True, true, but you're talking about air travel, not plastic lawn ornaments from China. Next to oxygen and football, most Americans can't live without airplanes.

They thought they couldn't live without landline telephones too...........
Not saying it will happen, but, someone could devise a totally new way of flying or teletransporting humans.......

True indeed, but not by tomorrow morning.

Modern air travel is kind of stupid, if you step way back and think of yourself as an alien visiting earth for the first time.

"Let's see...these people get from one place to another by stuffing 300 people in a metal tube, which they then fill with highly flammable petroleum product, then ignite it, and launch the tube into the air until it lands somewhere else. They then leave the tube and get into smaller petroleum-powered tubes, and then reach outlying parking lots where they get into their own personal petroleum tube".

If you were an alien visiting earth you likely would have done something similar to get here. The only difference would be the fuel used and possibly the shape of the ship.

Isn't travelling through a vacuum different than flying in air?

yeah, outer space doesn't care if you're driving a beach ball.

snakeweasel

Today at work started bad and after suffering a bit I asked "God can today get any worse?"

God took it as a challenge. 

Glad the day is over.

qbrozen

Back to the Tesla semi. Some may or may not recall that my father is a retired fleet manager (and mechanic prior to that). I brought up the subject yesterday. He immediately scoffed at the idea. He does not believe it is currently possible to meet the specs of a modern diesel rig in an EV without being a heavier overall vehicle. Truck manufacturers have worked very hard over many decades to shave weight from their rigs to maximize potential cargo weight. Fleet managers expect maximum loads. A vehicle that hauls 1 less ton than another is a non-starter. He sees potential in local deliveries only, but of course the ROI in that case would take far longer and that kind of longevity with such vehicles would be a huge question mark.

oldfarmer50

houdini2 said:

houdini2 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

Well maybe you could stagger your buying to different price points? Every 5 point drop, buy again?

There were some eye-witness reports on the Ethiopian crash. Apparently the plane was rattling and shaking violently and there was some smoke. I dunno, sounds kinda like a stall and a full-throttle attempt?

Mr_Shiftright said:

Well maybe you could stagger your buying to different price points? Every 5 point drop, buy again?

There were some eye-witness reports on the Ethiopian crash. Apparently the plane was rattling and shaking violently and there was some smoke. I dunno, sounds kinda like a stall and a full-throttle attempt?

Strangely enough, I have done that a few times before. It is sort of like doubling your bet when you lose at Black Jack, etc. Sometimes it even works. I think this would be a good stock to go ahead and buy because whatever the problem is, if there is a problem, it could be an easy fix.

OK, so I bought a few shares of BA late yesterday. Woke up in the middle of the night thinking U.S. might very well ground those planes today and shares will tank further, so sold this morning pre market and made a small profit when BA was up about $5.00 a share. It is still up about $4.00 right now.

A gambler once told me “Scared money don’t win”.

Mr_Shiftright

qbrozen said:

Back to the Tesla semi. Some may or may not recall that my father is a retired fleet manager (and mechanic prior to that). I brought up the subject yesterday. He immediately scoffed at the idea. He does not believe it is currently possible to meet the specs of a modern diesel rig in an EV without being a heavier overall vehicle. Truck manufacturers have worked very hard over many decades to shave weight from their rigs to maximize potential cargo weight. Fleet managers expect maximum loads. A vehicle that hauls 1 less ton than another is a non-starter. He sees potential in local deliveries only, but of course the ROI in that case would take far longer and that kind of longevity with such vehicles would be a huge question mark.

I was wondering about servicing Tesla EV trucks, given that their automobile service network is sketchy. Any undue downtime on a fleet vehicle has got to be a bad thing, no?

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

True, true, but you're talking about air travel, not plastic lawn ornaments from China. Next to oxygen and football, most Americans can't live without airplanes.

They thought they couldn't live without landline telephones too...........
Not saying it will happen, but, someone could devise a totally new way of flying or teletransporting humans.......

True indeed, but not by tomorrow morning.

Modern air travel is kind of stupid, if you step way back and think of yourself as an alien visiting earth for the first time.

"Let's see...these people get from one place to another by stuffing 300 people in a metal tube, which they then fill with highly flammable petroleum product, then ignite it, and launch the tube into the air until it lands somewhere else. They then leave the tube and get into smaller petroleum-powered tubes, and then reach outlying parking lots where they get into their own personal petroleum tube".

Not only that, but how do these stupid earthlings expect this multi ton object to fly through the air?

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There was one a science fiction short story I read where they discovered that the reason planes crashed is that a certain # of the passengers stop believing the plane could fly.

We fly back to Toronto on March 31st.....I am going to keep thinking positive thoughts....I know this sucker is going to stay in the air...........
Have to train Trixie too!

I’m sure you’ll have your choice of other aircraft.

Mr_Shiftright

Piper PA-18 Super Cub. My fave. Not sure what that one in the photo is.

ab348

That one crashing into the restaurant is a Beechcraft Model 18 "Twin Beech", a very popular aircraft that was in production from the '40s into the late '60s.

That is the final scene in the wonderful "What can happen to an Old Fashioned" sequence in "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World".

https://youtu.be/2f1UPl8ANe4

oldfarmer50

Mr_Shiftright said:

Piper PA-18 Super Cub. My fave. Not sure what that one in the photo is.

I think the first one is a “Jenny” and the other is a Beechcraft. Both from Mad Mad Mad Mad World.

ruking1

qbrozen said:

Back to the Tesla semi. Some may or may not recall that my father is a retired fleet manager (and mechanic prior to that). I brought up the subject yesterday. He immediately scoffed at the idea. He does not believe it is currently possible to meet the specs of a modern diesel rig in an EV without being a heavier overall vehicle. Truck manufacturers have worked very hard over many decades to shave weight from their rigs to maximize potential cargo weight. Fleet managers expect maximum loads. A vehicle that hauls 1 less ton than another is a non-starter. He sees potential in local deliveries only, but of course the ROI in that case would take far longer and that kind of longevity with such vehicles would be a huge question mark.

He is absolutely right ! The utter stupidity of the EV markets are truly entertaining. “Local deliveries” trials by companies like UPS, FedX are undertaken because of government, etc., FORCE & tax credits & write offs, given by private IRS ruling/s, as well as commonly known IRS write off’s. Most of these are not commonly available to the “average” EV consumer.

stickguy

It makes more sense to me for the post office to use EVs for their mail trucks. Could not design a service model better fitted to them. All local, not many miles per day, and every evening they return to the same docking station! Put solar panels on the roof of the parking area or the P.O., and practically run for free.

ruking1

Isn’t it telling that the Federal government hasn’t converted to EV?

explorerx4

I fly in one of those latest iterations of a 737. The seats still suck.
Other than that, the flight was fine.

Personally, I don't really like the roofs that retract outside of the car.
My F150 has a panoramic moon roof, one moveable panel and the rear one fixed.
It is big and actually adds headroom unless you like sitting while leaning against the door.
Has a button to open the shade and another to close it.
Press once to clear/return the first panel, again to for the rear panel.
Another switch controls the moon roof.
If you open the moveable panel the shade automatically retracts.

abacomike

One of the guys I walk with every morning said to me today that his son, who flies the new Boeing 737 MAX8 several times a week, finds the aircraft outstanding.  He especially likes the improved thrust on take-offs and climbs.  He had to train extensively on the simulator and had tons of hours in the right seat prior to moving to the left seat on the MAX.

According to what he related to his dad, the aircraft is more robotic than the previous 737’s but has been extensively trained on procedures to take manual control of the plane within seconds.

If you are familiar with the first few years of Airbus’s A319 and A320 operation, there were several crashes that were caused by the computer system denying pilot override intervention.  It took quite some time to train pilots on the use of the “joystick” flight controllers since there were no wheel stalks in those aircraft.  I remember an A320 crashed at the Paris air show during a low fly-by caused by the automation system not able to be released by the pilots.

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

Did you choose the car with a sunroof? If yes, why not use it?

I used to think that I’d really like a sun roof but they don’t give the view I thought they would so I just bought a convertible.

I bought it used; if I had bought new I definitely would have ordered it with the sunroof deleted.

tjc78

jmonroe1 said:

tjc78 said:

I rarely actually open the sunroof. Mrs D will drive around with the a/c on and the sunroof open....I tell her the whole town appreciates that she is air conditioning the city.

Cold air falls...

Our LaCrosse had the power sunshade over the pano roof. I really liked that. Very convenient.

Our Enclave has the pano roof over the rear seats and a regular sunroof up front. The rear sunroof is far enough back that the front roof slides into the headliner rather than up and over the roof. I just wish the sunshades were power as there are times the kids ask for the shade to be open and that is hard to do while driving

OK Mr. Technical, under normal conditions you are correct, cold air does fall. However, with an outside force this is not true because when you are driving down the road with your A/C on you will lose some if not all of the cool air (depending on speed) due to the creation of an eductor/venturing effect. My brother also drives around with the roof open just like Mrs. Driver does. I don't like the roof opened except to initially open it to purge the hot air in the car after baking on hot Summer days. Not only does the bright sun play hell with me trying to see the info screen, too much noise is created. I like to hear the radio when I drive not road noise, especially bikers showing off their pipes.

FWIW, I might be lost from this site if my phone, which I'm posting from now, acts up like my PC has done for two days now by giving the infamous Howdy Stranger page that will not let me in. When I try I get a "we're having a minor problem" pop-up. For two days, I'd say it ain't minor but different folks categorize things differently. Like a minor heart attack applies to someone else that has one, not you, yourself.

jmonroe

Wait a second... did you just agree with @driver100 ???

houdini2

oldfarmer50 said:

houdini2 said:

houdini2 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

Well maybe you could stagger your buying to different price points? Every 5 point drop, buy again?

There were some eye-witness reports on the Ethiopian crash. Apparently the plane was rattling and shaking violently and there was some smoke. I dunno, sounds kinda like a stall and a full-throttle attempt?

Mr_Shiftright said:

Well maybe you could stagger your buying to different price points? Every 5 point drop, buy again?

There were some eye-witness reports on the Ethiopian crash. Apparently the plane was rattling and shaking violently and there was some smoke. I dunno, sounds kinda like a stall and a full-throttle attempt?

Strangely enough, I have done that a few times before. It is sort of like doubling your bet when you lose at Black Jack, etc. Sometimes it even works. I think this would be a good stock to go ahead and buy because whatever the problem is, if there is a problem, it could be an easy fix.

OK, so I bought a few shares of BA late yesterday. Woke up in the middle of the night thinking U.S. might very well ground those planes today and shares will tank further, so sold this morning pre market and made a small profit when BA was up about $5.00 a share. It is still up about $4.00 right now.

A gambler once told me “Scared money don’t win”.

oldfarmer50 said:

houdini2 said:

houdini2 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

Well maybe you could stagger your buying to different price points? Every 5 point drop, buy again?

There were some eye-witness reports on the Ethiopian crash. Apparently the plane was rattling and shaking violently and there was some smoke. I dunno, sounds kinda like a stall and a full-throttle attempt?

Mr_Shiftright said:

Well maybe you could stagger your buying to different price points? Every 5 point drop, buy again?

There were some eye-witness reports on the Ethiopian crash. Apparently the plane was rattling and shaking violently and there was some smoke. I dunno, sounds kinda like a stall and a full-throttle attempt?

Strangely enough, I have done that a few times before. It is sort of like doubling your bet when you lose at Black Jack, etc. Sometimes it even works. I think this would be a good stock to go ahead and buy because whatever the problem is, if there is a problem, it could be an easy fix.

OK, so I bought a few shares of BA late yesterday. Woke up in the middle of the night thinking U.S. might very well ground those planes today and shares will tank further, so sold this morning pre market and made a small profit when BA was up about $5.00 a share. It is still up about $4.00 right now.

A gambler once told me “Scared money don’t win”.

Well, this old scaredy cat took home a few hundred dollars this morning by just pushing a couple of buttons. Also there's the one about pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered.

imidazol97

ruking1 said:

qbrozen said:

Back to the Tesla semi. Some may or may not recall that my father is a retired fleet manager (and mechanic prior to that). I brought up the subject yesterday. He immediately scoffed at the idea. He does not believe it is currently possible to meet the specs of a modern diesel rig in an EV without being a heavier overall vehicle. Truck manufacturers have worked very hard over many decades to shave weight from their rigs to maximize potential cargo weight. Fleet managers expect maximum loads. A vehicle that hauls 1 less ton than another is a non-starter. He sees potential in local deliveries only, but of course the ROI in that case would take far longer and that kind of longevity with such vehicles would be a huge question mark.

He is absolutely right ! The utter stupidity of the EV markets are truly entertaining. “Local deliveries” trials by companies like UPS, FedX are undertaken because of government, etc., FORCE & tax credits & write offs, given by private IRS ruling/s, as well as commonly known IRS write off’s. Most of these are not commonly available to the “average” EV consumer.

A factor is that whenever there's a group that uses some nebulous cause as a reason for a hair-on-fire adoption of something, it's not likely to stand the test of time. If EV's are going to workable, then they should stand on their own cost rewards basis, not on government subsidy.

Currently I'm asking here how much of Ohio's gasoline tax monies were sent back to local communities and/or used to subsidize charging stations for EV's. Ohio is currently in a "crisis" about road construction and repairs money.

I recall back in the 80s that everyone was pushing to have solar panels on homes and businesses to collect the heat from the sun. Every salesman in a leisure suit was going into sales of those. After a few short years the plastics were yellowed and no heat was going through to be absorbed even if the system was still sort of working.

I'm sure there's a place with EV's for some people's driving uses. I don't think it should see government intervention subsidizing and driving it. That usually leads to corruption of the money behind the scenes. I can even point out that GM's withdrawal from most of the sedans market I feel was due to the government intervention into the process and retaining the expensive unions' manufacturing cost. Now the same politicians who saddled GM, the Ohio plant, e.g., with its high labor cost to end up being closed and lots of jobs lost in the NE Ohio area building Cruzes are going around telling how they want to keep jobs for the middle class. The same middle class whose jobs they essentially moved out of the country or to other car companies building similar vehicles at a lower cost.

Government intervention into EV's will be a problem.

oldfarmer50

What are you guys up to down there in Florida?

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-pasco/shots-fired-at-swat-team-attempting-to-serve-search-warrant-at-port-richey-mayors-home

imidazol97

The morning talk show guy on a medium market Cincy station has segments on his show about things happening in Florida that he collects from the news somehow. It's a regular 15 minutes or so of his show from 5 am to 7 am. Some folks there are doing strange things...

I'm just thinking it's not really exclusive to Florida folks doing those things.

Mr_Shiftright

EVs will eventually become a hug market, but right now it's only 2%. Another challenge for EVs, aside from cost and range, is that at least here in the U.S., people are buying more pickup trucks than anything else, and we have yet to see a marketable EV Pickup. Tesla has made a stab at the CUV market and Kia is ready to launch.

Amazon has pumped 770 million into the Rivian pickup, which looks promising, in that it reportedly is being designed to actually do what a pickup does---tow, off-roading, etc.

stickguy

it seems like a PU would be good for an EV. Bigger and heavier, so more room and carrying capability for bigger batteries.

explorerx4

Americans want their vehicles to rolling swiss army knives or leatherman tools.

stickguy

that is why if we ever go down to 1 car, it will be some sort of wagon style.

jmonroe1

tjc78 said:

jmonroe1 said:

tjc78 said:

I rarely actually open the sunroof. Mrs D will drive around with the a/c on and the sunroof open....I tell her the whole town appreciates that she is air conditioning the city.

Cold air falls...

Our LaCrosse had the power sunshade over the pano roof. I really liked that. Very convenient.

Our Enclave has the pano roof over the rear seats and a regular sunroof up front. The rear sunroof is far enough back that the front roof slides into the headliner rather than up and over the roof. I just wish the sunshades were power as there are times the kids ask for the shade to be open and that is hard to do while driving

OK Mr. Technical, under normal conditions you are correct, cold air does fall. However, with an outside force this is not true because when you are driving down the road with your A/C on you will lose some if not all of the cool air (depending on speed) due to the creation of an eductor/venturing effect. My brother also drives around with the roof open just like Mrs. Driver does. I don't like the roof opened except to initially open it to purge the hot air in the car after baking on hot Summer days. Not only does the bright sun play hell with me trying to see the info screen, too much noise is created. I like to hear the radio when I drive not road noise, especially bikers showing off their pipes.

FWIW, I might be lost from this site if my phone, which I'm posting from now, acts up like my PC has done for two days now by giving the infamous Howdy Stranger page that will not let me in. When I try I get a "we're having a minor problem" pop-up. For two days, I'd say it ain't minor but different folks categorize things differently. Like a minor heart attack applies to someone else that has one, not you, yourself.

jmonroe

Wait a second... did you just agree with @driver100 ???

Well, ah...ah, I guess, but he'll never understand why. Too technical for him to grasp.

jmonroe

driver100

tjc78 said:

jmonroe1 said:

tjc78 said:

I rarely actually open the sunroof. Mrs D will drive around with the a/c on and the sunroof open....I tell her the whole town appreciates that she is air conditioning the city.

Cold air falls...

Our LaCrosse had the power sunshade over the pano roof. I really liked that. Very convenient.

Our Enclave has the pano roof over the rear seats and a regular sunroof up front. The rear sunroof is far enough back that the front roof slides into the headliner rather than up and over the roof. I just wish the sunshades were power as there are times the kids ask for the shade to be open and that is hard to do while driving

OK Mr. Technical, under normal conditions you are correct, cold air does fall. However, with an outside force this is not true because when you are driving down the road with your A/C on you will lose some if not all of the cool air (depending on speed) due to the creation of an eductor/venturing effect. My brother also drives around with the roof open just like Mrs. Driver does. I don't like the roof opened except to initially open it to purge the hot air in the car after baking on hot Summer days. Not only does the bright sun play hell with me trying to see the info screen, too much noise is created. I like to hear the radio when I drive not road noise, especially bikers showing off their pipes.

FWIW, I might be lost from this site if my phone, which I'm posting from now, acts up like my PC has done for two days now by giving the infamous Howdy Stranger page that will not let me in. When I try I get a "we're having a minor problem" pop-up. For two days, I'd say it ain't minor but different folks categorize things differently. Like a minor heart attack applies to someone else that has one, not you, yourself.

jmonroe

Wait a second... did you just agree with @driver100 ???

He must be getting senile. or, he has seen the light!

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

What are you guys up to down there in Florida?

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-pasco/shots-fired-at-swat-team-attempting-to-serve-search-warrant-at-port-richey-mayors-home

The weirdest news happens in Florida. The mayor was a doctor and his license was pulled, but he was still seeing patients....then he pulled a gun on the cops - and he is the mayor. Some of the news is so bizarre here it is like reading one of those phony supermarket papers.......like the Inquirer. Then there are the scams that go on mostly in government jobs, then the fire chief who took video of a burning house and posting it on his facebook page (someone died in that fire), and wasn't the guy involved in paying off colleges to accept kids with phony credentials from Bradenton? Hard to keep up.......