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ruking1

ab348 said:

Getting back to cars, I see now here in Canada there is a class-action suit being filed against Hyundai/Kia for their defective engines and resultant fires.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/car-owners-claim-they-were-knowingly-sold-defective-vehicles-1.5073563

If I was considering another CUV, &/or other products mentioned, I’d yank Hyundai/Kia products off my list. That’s really too bad, as I saw a video showing that both lines use galvanized steel vs normal steel on their body parts, etc., etc. They also supposedly had 100,000 miles drive train warranty? Oh well, wake me up in another five or 10 years to see how Hyundai/Kia goes. Till then, I’m loving the (79,000 miles, bought new @ 4 miles) 2014 MB GLK 250 BT 2.1 L TT 7 sp AT, putting out 369 # ft @ 36 mpg. With ULSD @ $3.99, RUG @ 3.39, PUG@ $ 3.69, even the news outlets considers it an onerous tax.

Toyota and Lexus which I understand have used/ use/ continue to use normal steel are still the gold standards to beat. It’s app 100# less # ft is snoozy @ best, albeit reliable & durable.

houdini2

graphicguy said:

LET HIM IN !

ruking1

henryn said:

You two are overlooking one very important fact: Waiters waitresses bartenders are not paid the minimum wage, at least for the most part.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage

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The tipped wage is base wage paid to an employee that receives a substantial portion of their compensation from tips. According to a common labor law provision referred to as a "tip credit", the employee must earn at least the state’s minimum wage when tips and wages are combined or the employer is required to increase the wage to fulfill that threshold.[1][2][3] This ensures that all tipped employees earn at least the minimum wage: significantly more than the tipped minimum wage.

The United States of America federal government requires a wage of at least $2.13 per hour be paid to employees that receive at least $30 per month in tips.[4] If wages and tips do not equal the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour during any week, the employer is required to increase cash wages to compensate.[5]

Ah, NO! One references the federal guidelines, showing I’m hitting the targets on the dartboard (501 joke, aka, it’s not all about the bulls eye) I was using $8.00 as the figure, which was prominent, if one did the mathematics. But that may/NOT be a city county state’s rates.

Be that as it may, the landscapes will radically change, once the new standards implemented.

fintail

So, the dish/wage claims are anecdotal jabber. Thanks!

There's a reason tipping culture is very much an American thing compared to nearly everywhere else on the planet, and that it has developed rapidly in the past 30-40 years, as other chasms have exploded. In Europe, tipping at more than 10% or so is virtually unknown.

I live in a state that is at least wannabe developed world, and has the same wages for tipped and non-tipped workers. Look at the $2.13s without caveats on that wiki link, many of those places are goshforsaken heckholes with severe economic mobility issues.

houdini2

fintail said:

So, the dish/wage claims are anecdotal jabber. Thanks!

There's a reason tipping culture is very much an American thing compared to nearly everywhere else on the planet, and that it has developed rapidly in the past 30-40 years, as other chasms have exploded. In Europe, tipping at more than 10% or so is virtually unknown.

I live in a state that is at least wannabe developed world, and has the same wages for tipped and non-tipped workers. Look at the $2.13s without caveats on that wiki link, many of those places are goshforsaken heckholes with severe economic mobility issues.

$12. an hour? That explains who the people are that are driving the cost of housing up in your area.

Mr_Shiftright

Seattle has a huge homeless problem doesn't it?

28firefighter

Mr_Shiftright said:

Seattle has a huge homeless problem doesn't it?

@fintail lives on the Eastside which is, thankfully, in much better shape. Seattle is a disaster.

berri

PNW coastal housing inflation is heavily driven by high paid techies and other specialists. I don't think you have to be homeless to have a housing problem in Seattle, no different than San Francisco or LA.

Mr_Shiftright

The "joke" is that homelessness is related to climate change, but it's really no joke. I mean, look at migrations in ancient history. As the southern and coastal U.S. become unbearable or untenable, I bet lots of babies born today are going to be heading north when they've grown up.

ab348

Mr_Shiftright said:

The "joke" is that homelessness is related to climate change, but it's really no joke. I mean, look at migrations in ancient history. As the southern and coastal U.S. become unbearable or untenable, I bet lots of babies born today are going to be heading north when they've grown up.

I'm having a hard time connecting those dots.

If climate change leads to migrations, are the few billion in China (which arguably is the biggest single driver of man-made CC) and the other Pacific Rim nations all heading for Siberia?

ruking1

fintail said:

So, the dish/wage claims are anecdotal jabber. Thanks!

There's a reason tipping culture is very much an American thing compared to nearly everywhere else on the planet, and that it has developed rapidly in the past 30-40 years, as other chasms have exploded. In Europe, tipping at more than 10% or so is virtually unknown.

I live in a state that is at least wannabe developed world, and has the same wages for tipped and non-tipped workers. Look at the $2.13s without caveats on that wiki link, many of those places are goshforsaken heckholes with severe economic mobility issues.

No! The fact that one is not wanting to go talk to somebody that either owns or runs a restaurant shows one’s really afraid of the answers or one knows what is being said to be true. If too fearful to ask a restaurant that one frequents, just say one is doing a survey.

Or so you think! Homelessness is upon major northwest cities, aka, WA. 🤓 Rural areas are also great places for the issue.

But one have to look at the fact that the “religious climate changers” (defacto) advocate homelessness as the ultimate way of people’s to live! They just don’t say so, so they can blame the “HOST” cities for the issue. One knows the drill, back to nature, minimal energy consumption, income equality, etc., etc.

ruking1

28firefighter said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

Seattle has a huge homeless problem doesn't it?

@fintail lives on the Eastside which is, thankfully, in much better shape. Seattle is a disaster.

Been there (different area) , done that!? What else is new?

houdini2

Mr_Shiftright said:

The "joke" is that homelessness is related to climate change, but it's really no joke. I mean, look at migrations in ancient history. As the southern and coastal U.S. become unbearable or untenable, I bet lots of babies born today are going to be heading north when they've grown up.

Mr_Shiftright said:

The "joke" is that homelessness is related to climate change, but it's really no joke. I mean, look at migrations in ancient history. As the southern and coastal U.S. become unbearable or untenable, I bet lots of babies born today are going to be heading north when they've grown up.

Wasn't that supposed to have happened 20 years ago? At any rate, according to some politicians it will be all over in 12 years, so no need to make long range plans.

fintail

Oddly enough, minimum wages have nothing to do with house-rich Californicators still coming here en masse, sketchy offshore fortunes hiding capital or laundering it in this region, and high-paying tech jobs that allow some lucky ones to pay a mortgage. If only it was that simple.

houdini2 said:

$12. an hour? That explains who the people are that are driving the cost of housing up in your area.

fintail

No, the fact that one lacks objective quantifiable data says it all. There is objective data that shows for the most part, the low wage low amenity areas aren't great for a real future

The west coast homeless crisis is via a key reason - climate. It is easier to be on the street on the west coast (the problem is regional, certainly not just Seattle) than in harsher climates to the south and east. I know where I'd rather be in that situation - where I won't freeze to death or suffer heat stroke. That, and it has long been said that other regions encourage or even help their homeless populations to migrate. These aren't all locals, not by far.

ruking1 said:

No! The fact that one is not wanting to go talk to somebody that either owns or runs a restaurant shows one’s really afraid of the answers or one knows what is being said to be true. If too fearful to ask a restaurant that one frequents, just say one is doing a survey.

Or so you think! Homelessness is upon major northwest cities, aka, WA. Rural areas are also great places for the issue.

But one have to look at the fact that the “religious climate changers” (defacto) advocate homelessness as the ultimate way of people’s to live! They just don’t say so, so they can blame the “HOST” cities for the issue. One knows the drill, back to nature, minimal energy consumption, income equality, etc., etc.

ruking1

fintail said:

No, the fact that one lacks objective quantifiable data says it all. There is objective data that shows for the most part, the low wage low amenity areas aren't great for a real future

The west coast homeless crisis is via a key reason - climate. It is easier to be on the street on the west coast (the problem is regional, certainly not just Seattle) than in harsher climates to the south and east. I know where I'd rather be in that situation - where I won't freeze to death or suffer heat stroke. That, and it has long been said that other regions encourage or even help their homeless populations to migrate. These aren't all locals, not by far.

ruking1 said:

No! The fact that one is not wanting to go talk to somebody that either owns or runs a restaurant shows one’s really afraid of the answers or one knows what is being said to be true. If too fearful to ask a restaurant that one frequents, just say one is doing a survey.

Or so you think! Homelessness is upon major northwest cities, aka, WA. Rural areas are also great places for the issue.

But one have to look at the fact that the “religious climate changers” (defacto) advocate homelessness as the ultimate way of people’s to live! They just don’t say so, so they can blame the “HOST” cities for the issue. One knows the drill, back to nature, minimal energy consumption, income equality, etc., etc.

Again it’s SOS DD. You want to sound like there’s never been any documentation of raising of minimum wages & it’s consequences/results!? . Your own link should have past results.

I’m not sure why you think homeless folks are stupid, aka., live in & among “rich (er) “ folks, especially where it’s warm most of the year. But I guess I should be glad WA is attractive to homeless folks. Keep attracting those CA folk! SF, CA tried giving every homeless folk that applied or they outreached to $400. per mo for being homeless. I’m sure something like that will work in your “hood”.

ruking1

fintail said:

Oddly enough, minimum wages have nothing to do with house-rich Californicators still coming here en masse, sketchy offshore fortunes hiding capital or laundering it in this region, and high-paying tech jobs that allow some lucky ones to pay a mortgage. If only it was that simple.

houdini2 said:

$12. an hour? That explains who the people are that are driving the cost of housing up in your area.

Oddly enough, he’s not claiming ANY of that, you are!

Why would so called “house rich” CALIFORNICATORS want to go to WASHINGTON FORNICATORS, your hood/Seattle to pay even MORE taxations on the move & settlement? Our CPA’s can chime in on the taxation issues.

All one need do is think about it for a minute. Even mid to higher level executives, (the very same people you vilify) with moves paid for by their companies sustain financial $$’s hits. Why would your so called “lucky ones” want another mortgage for higher lengths of time, amounts, interest ? In some cases, they have NO mortgages.

I hope one’s not watching too many Fantasy Island episodes?

abacomike

How the heck did this discussion about homelessness and climate change surface?  😩

Mr_Shiftright

ab348 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

The "joke" is that homelessness is related to climate change, but it's really no joke. I mean, look at migrations in ancient history. As the southern and coastal U.S. become unbearable or untenable, I bet lots of babies born today are going to be heading north when they've grown up.

I'm having a hard time connecting those dots.

If climate change leads to migrations, are the few billion in China (which arguably is the biggest single driver of man-made CC) and the other Pacific Rim nations all heading for Siberia?

No but they are all migrating to cities right now---so yeah, the Chinese are on the move. And, if it got hot enough, sure they'd go to Siberia.

Mr_Shiftright

abacomike said:

How the heck did this discussion about homelessness and climate change surface?  😩

That was my fault! I just thought it was an interesting theory. I'm always fascinated about how and why large numbers of people move in unison towards....well.....anything....social media, SUVs, country-to-cities, land lines to cell phones, blah blah.

Besides Mike, you're a good example of migration away from bad weather!

berri

I'll be long gone, but I have wondered whether in about 50 years there will be a resurgence in migration north due to potable water resources. The west and southwest is drying up and the south seems to be getting hit more with algae and other water contamination issues. Of course, that is a long way off, so much can change.

ab348

Getting back to cars ( where have I heard that before?) the link I posted earlier today about Hyundai/Kia engine fires just added a new twist, close to home. This is not good.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/fire-vehicle-recall-transport-canada-1.5075790

Mr_Shiftright

berri said:

I'll be long gone, but I have wondered whether in about 50 years there will be a resurgence in migration north due to potable water resources. The west and southwest is drying up and the south seems to be getting hit more with algae and other water contamination issues. Of course, that is a long way off, so much can change.

Canada--the next Superpower!

explorerx4

I've heard about people buying up land in Maine for that very reason(climate change), pretty much similar to Eastern Canada.

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

One of my walking buddies turned 71 today so, as per custom, we took him out for lunch. The birthday boy gets to pick where we take him for lunch - so he picked a quaint German restaurant not far from the ocean.

I ordered vener schnitzel with spetzel and a potato dumpling and a tall stein of dark draught beer.  It was the most delicious German meal I have ever had.  The other guys had the same thing.  The tab for the 3 of us came to $59.00 less $13.00 for a coupon we gave the waiter for a net of $46.00.

I determined that we should give the waiter $12.00 for a tip because the service was excellent and the original tab would have been close to $60.00 without the coupon.  I felt a little resistance to that tip from the other buddy who was splitting the tab with me so we left him $10.00 - but as we were leaving I told the guys I left my phone at the table and had to go back to retrieve it, which was not the truth.  I wanted to leave the waiter an extra few bucks, which I did.  The waiter was most appreciative for my coming back to leave him a few extra bucks - so appreciative that he gave me two additional coupons for our next visit.

Was I wrong to do that?  Should I have just left the $10.00 and not deceptively go back to leave more?  I would welcome your feedback.

You did right.

oldfarmer50

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explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
If you had comprehended one of my previous posts, you would realize it may never need replacement.
It's just something that should be and can easily be checked if you are looking at one of those cars.

In all likelihood my guy will probably shoot down any car I come up with. When people say they want help picking out a car what they really mean is they want you to approve of whatever they pick out.

I won't go with people to look at cars any more. Some because of what you said, and others because you get no recognition if a car works out OK, but you get blamed if it's not a good car - like you knew that and kept it from them.

Since I have you here, I will change the subject.

As you may know I'm pretty close to trading in Mrs. j's 2012 Legacy 3.6R Limited for an equivalent 2018 (used with 7K miles) or 2019 new. I know you have the 2018 model but I wanted to get your opinion about the CVT. The 2012 has a 5 speed automatic and I'm used to feeling the shifting of a transmission. Just curious how long it took you to get used to the CVT and if you have any regrets. I'm almost on the fence because of that. I know a CVT is going to be the standard with all manufactures and I won't really have a choice but just asking.

If any of you other guys want to chime in on a CVT, have at it.

jmonroe

I drive a lot of cars with CVTs and to be honest, I can’t tell the difference. Modern auto transmissions shift so smoothly you can hardly feel it anyway. My problem with CVTs is reliability.

All I need is a reliability problem.

As you regulars know, her 2005 XG350 blew an engine with around 43K miles in November of 2011. That is how she came by the 2012 Subie. When I got my '09 Genny she had a 2006 Sonata pretty well equipped and it even had bum warmers but I traded her Sonata because the XG350 was a softer ride that she seemed to like when she got into it when it was my car. She didn't dislike her Sonata just thought the XG350 rode better. After she had the XG350, I heard a couple times, "you traded my car to get a new car for you and your old car didn't even have heated seats." :@ Then when it blew up I heard a few times, "I bet my Sonata wouldn't have broken down on me". :@ :@ Now you're scaring the hell out of me about CVT reliability problems. If I get that Subie with the CVT and all of a sudden you never hear from me again, you'll know it broke down while she was driving it.

Maybe I shouldn't be pushing this trade so much.

jmonroe

Do all 2012 model Legacy's have the CVT?. I thought Subaru raised the transmission warranty to 10 years of 100,000 for that year on their CVTs?

The.Ford.Focus 2011-2014 (?) CVT's were problematic.The Nissan Altima has had.problems with their CVT. I'm looking at 2010-2012 model headed cars, CVT problems seemed.more common. So trying to stay away from them..Not so much anymore

I think Subaru didn’t start using CVT until 2014.

Ford Focus has a DCG which caused problems from 2012-2016 (some would say after that too). Ford’s problems were different but no less harmful to the brand. The ‘17s and ‘18s I’ve driven were fine, fun in fact. The ‘15 I drove recently would chase me away from those problem years.

My brother bought a new 2014 Focus. Started having problems with that transmission not.long after he bought it. Still sticks with Ford though. Just bought a Ford Escape.

A friend of a friend had a nice looking 2013 Nissan Altima coupe for sale recently. Silver. $6,750. Priced well under KBB. Right at Emunds TMV.. Miles were around 98,000. Was really excited about the car, ready to go see it till I read about all the problems that model year was having with their CVT.

The Ford Fusion didnt go to CVT's until 2013. So I have 2010-2012 Fusions on my short list...even though I haven't read much in the way of the Fusion having CVT problems.

Focus and Fusion don't use CVT except in their EV and hybrid models. 

That’s what I thought.

ruking1

Toyota Corolla CVT...AH...shh....aka,...”special service” notice... software update does/not work...valve body replace/not, change CVT system, past warranty of 60,000 miles or 5 yrs... but really a recall...RECALL, RECALL, RECALL? https://youtu.be/I7c8suwi2Wc

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

What’s brad Emaus got to do with it?

Isn’t that Charlie Hustle?

stickguy

now I am kinda glad I didn't buy my 2015 Sonata out. That had the 2.4l engine.

oldfarmer50

Mr_Shiftright said:

Seattle has a huge homeless problem doesn't it?

Probably all laid off restaurant workers.

abacomike

Mr_Shiftright said:

How the heck did this discussion about homelessness and climate change surface?  😩

That was my fault! I just thought it was an interesting theory. I'm always fascinated about how and why large numbers of people move in unison towards....well.....anything....social media, SUVs, country-to-cities, land lines to cell phones, blah blah. Besides Mike, you're a good example of migration away from bad weather!

It’s New Yorkers I’m running from - even down here! 🤪😜😛

explorerx4

Cooked steaks on the grille tonight. Wife didn't leave me a tip for not screwing them up.

ruking1

AH MONSTERS😱😜 SNOW BIRDS? Too funny! Even 43 years ago, I could be in some areas of Southern Florida & the NYC accents led me back to ...NYC.

Due to so called global warming/climate change, not too much is made of people moving from Florida rushing into New York City/State.

ruking1

explorerx4 said:

Cooked steaks on the grille tonight. Wife didn't leave me a tip for not screwing them up.

G I didn’t know that medium rare steaks were such an art form .👍

oldfarmer50

ruking1 said:

Toyota Corolla CVT...AH...shh....aka,...”special service” notice... software update does/not work...valve body replace/not, change CVT system, past warranty of 60,000 miles or 5 yrs... but really a recall...RECALL, RECALL, RECALL? https://youtu.be/I7c8suwi2Wc

That’s suprising since Toyota uses the Aisin CVT which is suppose to be more reliable than the Jatco used by Nissan and many others.

Glad the discussion came back to cars as Karma paid me a visit for starting the CVT discussion.

Today we were pulling cars out of one of our offices. These are units going out of service to be sold. I got a nice Nissan Altima with 33k miles which despite what Q thinks looked pretty nice inside (but then again, I have low standards). As usual I thought it had plenty of power and drove nice...for awhile.

I had driven for a few miles and noticed the car acting funny. I heard a sound like I was running over rough pavement or a rumble strip. As I got on the Parkway the car started bucking and the RPMs fluctuated. Then I lost any power to the wheels no matter how I pushed on the gas. The check engine came on and I pulled over and shut the car down.

I suspected the transmission.

I started back up and the car seemed to move normally until I came to a hill. The engine reved but I kept going slower and slower only to gain speed on the downhill. Ultimately, the transmission slipped out of “gear” and just reved. I pulled over and called the tow truck. The symptoms were exactly what I would imagine if a steel cable was slipping on two drums.

Time from start to total failure: 25 minutes.

Now, I’ve probably driven 30 Altimas over the last year and this was the first one to have problems. From this sample of one I don’t think I would recommend a car with this kind of transmission.

Oh yeah, for all my trouble the office replaced the Altima with a BMW 7 to get me home.
Love those turbos!

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

I've heard about people buying up land in Maine for that very reason(climate change), pretty much similar to Eastern Canada.

So you’re saying I should sit on my acreage up here in the north and wait for the palm trees and rising seas to give me the warm beachfront I desire?

abacomike

oldfarmer50 said:

I've heard about people buying up land in Maine for that very reason(climate change), pretty much similar to Eastern Canada.

So you’re saying I should sit on my acreage up here in the north and wait for the palm trees and rising seas to give me the warm beachfront I desire?

Similar situation when Arizonans bought up property along the Colorado River investing in what was soon to become beachfront property when California broke off from mainland USA due to the “BIG ONE”! 😀😋😎

jmonroe1

The guy got exactly what he deserved:

On my way home from Home Depot (got a few items for the flip house) at about 1:30 PM today, I see a nice looking burgundy Tesla Model S behind me weaving in and out of the right lane then the left lane on a 4 lane road (two lanes in each direction). This is the main drag through the business district with a speed limit of 35 MPH. Since I'm approaching the exit ramp from the mall, I usually stay in the left lane to allow the mall ramp traffic to get onto the highway. I am very familiar with this stretch of the road since I have driven it for over 50 years and staying left is the best lane to be in. The Tesla driver comes up behind me and starts flashing his lights and at one point he got so close to the rear bumper I couldn't even see his flashing lights any more but I could hear him laying on his horn because I had the moon roof open since the car was pretty warm from sitting in the Home Depot lot for about 45 minutes which was about a mile behind me now.

I see a local cop approaching the bottom of the mall ramp and I'm once again glad I am in the left lane. Even though this Tesla is on my bumper blowing his horn I decided to put my arm out of the opening and I pointed to the cop at the merge point. I'm sure the guy thought I was giving him the finger because he quickly jerked his car into the right lane and floored it. I'll say this about a Model S, it doesn't take long for that car to get up to 60 MPH (and probably more). He's now just about at the point where the cop was sitting. For a split second I thought the cop was going to pull out and get nailed because this Tesla got to that ramp in no time. I'm sure at the last instant the cop saw the guy coming and didn't pull out until the Tesla was past him which didn't take long at all. I guess the cop didn't like the way the guy was driving because he flew onto the road with lights and siren on simultaneously. About 100 yards up the road he pulled the guy over and I tooted as I went by.

Even being a Tesla owner (or leasee) I'm pretty sure he will feel the size of that ticket and then the points that come with it. This was the second time in about 2 months that I saw a local cop being where he should be. Finally, my tax dollars seem to be working.

jmonroe

roadburner

Back in 1982 I was driving my Arrow 2.6 GT up I-75 from Lexington to Cincinnati to visit my girlfriend(now wife). As usual, because of the moronic 55 mph NMSL, I had my CB radio and V1 on full alert. I came up on an Olds Omega sedan in the right lane. I pulled into the left lane to pass and he sped up to keep pace with me. Every time I'd speed up so would he. About that time I heard the CB announcing that a cop was sitting on the next entrance ramp painting cars with radar as the passed. I floored it an Omega Man stayed with me to north of 85 mph. When the ramp was about a half mile away I slowed down to 55 while the Olds was still going at 85 or so. I next hear the CB announce that "The bear has got him a four wheeler!"
I beeped when I drove by as well...

Mr_Shiftright

abacomike said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

abacomike said:

How the heck did this discussion about homelessness and climate change surface?  😩

That was my fault! I just thought it was an interesting theory. I'm always fascinated about how and why large numbers of people move in unison towards....well.....anything....social media, SUVs, country-to-cities, land lines to cell phones, blah blah.

Besides Mike, you're a good example of migration away from bad weather!

It’s New Yorkers I’m running from - even down here! 🤪😜😛

Can't blame you there. Global Swarming.

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

The guy got exactly what he deserved:

On my way home from Home Depot (got a few items for the flip house) at about 1:30 PM today,
Even being a Tesla owner (or leasee) I'm pretty sure he will feel the size of that ticket and then the points that come with it. This was the second time in about 2 months that I saw a local cop being where he should be. Finally, my tax dollars seem to be working.
jmonroe

It was a long one but, I am glad I read it. I needed a story with poetic justice to put me to sleep tonight. Glad this moron actually got nailed. Old guys rule!

Mr_Shiftright

abacomike said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I've heard about people buying up land in Maine for that very reason(climate change), pretty much similar to Eastern Canada.

So you’re saying I should sit on my acreage up here in the north and wait for the palm trees and rising seas to give me the warm beachfront I desire?

Similar situation when Arizonans bought up property along the Colorado River investing in what was soon to become beachfront property when California broke off from mainland USA due to the “BIG ONE”! 😀😋😎

California isn't going to break off into the ocean, so you can stop hoping---what's happening is that it is splitting longitudinally, so the coastal side is heading toward Oregon---Portland's worst nightmare.

However, every now and then a posh beachhouse does plunge off a cliff.

driver100

All I can say about homelessness is this young lady who plays pickleball....by the name of Wizzie....loves being homeless. She doesn't like having possessions. While in Florida she stays with friends.

2 weeks ago she met a guy who also enjoys the homeless life. She says he is even more into it than she is, he will sleep in a car and things like that.

She told me she has met this guy and they are going to get married soon.

I am so glad these two people who have so much in common found each other.

It is like when one of those guys with the spikey hair meets a girl with spikey hair and I see them walking down the street together....I feel glad they actually met each other. If they missed it might take decades to find another perfect match.

Mr_Shiftright

And no mortgage!

explorerx4

@driver100,
Pretty soon they are going to want to live in your car.

ab348

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
Pretty soon they are going to want to live in your car.

What a nice place to raise a family once they decide to have kids, especially since Mr. & Mrs. Driver are not there 7 months a year.

stickguy

I'll be lucky to convince my wife to divest enough stuff to downsize to a 3 BR, 1,800 SF house. She might have a nervous breakdown trying to have the 2 of us live in such a tiny space!

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I've heard about people buying up land in Maine for that very reason(climate change), pretty much similar to Eastern Canada.

So you’re saying I should sit on my acreage up here in the north and wait for the palm trees and rising seas to give me the warm beachfront I desire?

Similar situation when Arizonans bought up property along the Colorado River investing in what was soon to become beachfront property when California broke off from mainland USA due to the “BIG ONE”! 😀😋😎

I hear Lex Luther lost a fortune on that investment.

fintail

We all have our little faults. Mine's in California.

oldfarmer50 said:

I hear Lex Luther lost a fortune on that investment.

fintail

I can show that the data that was used against Seattle wages was shot down in a ball of flames, while the economy here remains strong and this area is ranked among the best in the country to do business. Weird.

Who said homeless people are stupid? Heck, I implied they are smart to want to move to a milder climate. I don't hold it against them.

ruking1 said:

Again it’s SOS DD. You want to sound like there’s never been any documentation of raising of minimum wages & it’s consequences/results!? . Your own link should have past results.

I’m not sure why you think homeless folks are stupid, aka., live in & among “rich (er) “ folks, especially where it’s warm most of the year. But I guess I should be glad WA is attractive to homeless folks. Keep attracting those CA folk! SF, CA tried giving every homeless folk that applied or they outreached to $400. per mo for being homeless. I’m sure something like that will work in your “hood”.