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explorerx4

@driver100,
Maybe those hackers sent you that email.
They already got your car key. What's next?
Sorry you can't find your key, keep looking.
To me, it makes more sense that the car stores your preferences and recognizes the individual fob.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

On Monday I returned from pickleball. I let Trixie out in the yard and I looked out and see her in the neighbors yard. She somehow got on her belly and squeezed through a 2 inch gap in the wire fence. I rushed out with a Milkbone treat and she came back....and I plugged the gap with rocks.
I took her for a walk around the block and I took her out at 9:30 before going to bed.
When I emptied my pockets at 10 p.m. I was missing my car key. I retraced my steps about 6 times, I checked all possible clothes, closet floors, everything....can't find my key.
I had put a War Amps tag on them - I do this every year and just put on a new one - so hopefully someone found them and put them in a mail box.
I took the car in for service on Tuesday, and I asked how much a key would cost.
Any guesses?

It would take 2 to 3 weeks to order one, then 3 or 4 days to program it.
Cost, $495 + $85 to program.
I'll wait a few days and see if it shows up in the mail.

If a new key costs $600 can you imagine how much it would cost to build a car with individual parts.

You should have gotten the lost key warranty my Kia dealer offered. Only $499.

I think at that price I’d be throwing my keys at the dog to get her to come back instead of giving her a treat.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

Stick....you may be "they obviously never met a passive-aggressive tightwad with attachment issues", but you do have good common sense logic. It was a good idea to check there but the keys weren't under the rocks...and so I checked where I picked up the rocks too - not there either.

Maybe Trixie found them and dragged buried them or something.

There should be an option for us senile seniors.....if you lose your keys you press a button and the keys have an alarm that rings!

For Christmas my son got me a key ring that lights up if you whistle.

oldfarmer50

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

tjc78 said:

Yes it is! I get emails from Amazon and Ebay asking me if I'm still interested in X item you browsed.

They track everything...

But if I understand Driver correctly, he hadn't browsed anything yet. He and Mrs. D. were just talking about it at home. The walls literally have ears...

Exactly. The only thing I wonder is if Alexis acts as a computer, and listens in for key words.

If Alexis can "listen in on key words", then I have to believe just the click of another button will provide the whole conversation to whomever is doing the listening. And people wonder why I don't take advantage of all the tech we have today; especially bank account info. Once it's out there it's out there. Then the good guys have to figure out how the bad guys got their info. Then they do and the game starts all over again.

jmonroe

On the news this morning they said Alexia listens and the staff back at the company office can listen in with her. The story mentioned listening to sex acts and sharing embarrassing occurrences among the office personnel.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amazon-workers-are-listening-to-what-you-tell-alexa/

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

pensfan83 said:

driver100 said:

Someone just sent me a video from the Hackers Convention in Las Vegas. One hacker could phone the commentators bank, get his email address, find out his password, change the password and have access to all his banking info....and now he couldn't get into his own account - did it in less than 5 minutes.

One hacker said he could make the commentator homeless and penniless, he could take over his life.

Any bank that releases that information without verifying the caller's identity isn't a bank worth giving one's business to.

My mistake....they got it from his cell phone provider. here is how the hacker did it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc7scxvKQOo

When I couldn’t remember the password I needed to update my old IPad, Apple’s response was to just buy a new one.

oldfarmer50

ruking1 said:

snakeweasel said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

driver100 said:

Mrs D and I were looking at one of our bathroom sinks and we were wondering if we should replace it and get new taps. We didn't look up anything yet....but, suddenly we start getting ads for new sinks!
Maybe my Alexis sends back messages......is that possible?

YEP! If you "search", either on PC, pad or phone or Dot or whatever, you will start seeing suspiciously relevant ads.

This is why I have resistance to autonomous driving features on cars--it's a great way to tempt you to start surfing the web while the car drives, thereby giving our Amazon robot masters more opportunity to suck on our brains.

Not only that but how long will it be before they start taking you places based on your browser history.

It’s just a “command/sequence” away........IF anything, it will be like: one will have to access a complex “opt out” sequence to ...abort. More probably one will have to: no, no, no, no, no, @ each hidden site.

Google is monetizing its’ “Google Maps” GPS products. https://news.yahoo.com/google-wants-start-making-more-230535658.html

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

On Monday I returned from pickleball. I let Trixie out in the yard and I looked out and see her in the neighbors yard. She somehow got on her belly and squeezed through a 2 inch gap in the wire fence. I rushed out with a Milkbone treat and she came back....and I plugged the gap with rocks.
I took her for a walk around the block and I took her out at 9:30 before going to bed.
When I emptied my pockets at 10 p.m. I was missing my car key. I retraced my steps about 6 times, I checked all possible clothes, closet floors, everything....can't find my key.
I had put a War Amps tag on them - I do this every year and just put on a new one - so hopefully someone found them and put them in a mail box.
I took the car in for service on Tuesday, and I asked how much a key would cost.
Any guesses?

It would take 2 to 3 weeks to order one, then 3 or 4 days to program it.
Cost, $495 + $85 to program.
I'll wait a few days and see if it shows up in the mail.

If a new key costs $600 can you imagine how much it would cost to build a car with individual parts.

It likely has a hefty markup due to there being no competition where you can get the key and have it programmed

I thought I heard in here that locksmiths can do this kind of stuff today. If not in here, I know I heard it somewhere. Not sure if that is accurate but it might be worth it for @driver100 to check it out.

jmonroe

I was told a really good locksmith can make a key for any car. It may be true, I find it hard to believe MB would enable their keys to be made by someone else. For one thing, they told me to make a key to bring in a birth certificate, license and ownership papers....even though they know who I am.
For another....will these copies store the information and do codes correctly etc.?

If they tried to make me provide all that information I’d use my spare key to drive my car up against the showroom door, blocking it and tell them if they wanted it moved to make a key for it. :@

My Ford dealer only wanted to see the insurance card when he made a copy of my son’s Mercury key.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

tjc78 said:

Yes it is! I get emails from Amazon and Ebay asking me if I'm still interested in X item you browsed.

They track everything...

But if I understand Driver correctly, he hadn't browsed anything yet. He and Mrs. D. were just talking about it at home. The walls literally have ears...

Exactly. The only thing I wonder is if Alexis acts as a computer, and listens in for key words.

If Alexis can "listen in on key words", then I have to believe just the click of another button will provide the whole conversation to whomever is doing the listening. And people wonder why I don't take advantage of all the tech we have today; especially bank account info. Once it's out there it's out there. Then the good guys have to figure out how the bad guys got their info. Then they do and the game starts all over again.

jmonroe

On the news this morning they said Alexia listens and the staff back at the company office can listen in with her. The story mentioned listening to sex acts and sharing embarrassing occurrences among the office personnel.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amazon-workers-are-listening-to-what-you-tell-alexa/

I heard this story on CBS News this evening. I think they are doing more than listening in....I think Alexa hears a word.....like "sink", and then it sends you ads just like if you were to start looking up sinks online. We were looking at kitchen chairs 4 years ago....and we still get ads for kitchen chairs. I don't believe they are listening in to improve their system...they listen in to sell you stuff.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
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To me, it makes more sense that the car stores your preferences and recognizes the individual fob.

lol....that does make sense. Computer is in the car....key allows them to access the info.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

Stick....you may be "they obviously never met a passive-aggressive tightwad with attachment issues", but you do have good common sense logic. It was a good idea to check there but the keys weren't under the rocks...and so I checked where I picked up the rocks too - not there either.

Maybe Trixie found them and dragged buried them or something.

There should be an option for us senile seniors.....if you lose your keys you press a button and the keys have an alarm that rings!

For Christmas my son got me a key ring that lights up if you whistle.

That's a good idea. The one snake had a link to sounds good for about $30....makes a noise if you are within 150 feet.

driver100

I guess I didn't explain it right. A locksmith can order an official MB fob (which you can also do on-line) , then with the VIN and other info he programs the new fob. Maybe you can by a new fob yourself then have the dealer or locksmith do the programing. If the dealer gouges you (probably likely) then you know what kind of a dealership you're dealing with.
jmonroe

A guy at tennis had one done by a locksmith for his Infinity. I will ask him the name of the locksmith, and try calling to see what he says.

driver100

houdini2 said:

driver100 said:

I would never think to put windows up or down with the MB key. How does the card keep track of your preferences etc? For example, if I use my key the seats automatically adjust to my settings, Mrs D's key does the same for her. It sores information they read for service. Can the card do that, or is it more like if you are out of town, lose your key, at least you can get home OK?

I just now googled Mercedes Key Card. They have them. $125. Don't know about the preferences, etc. wife never drives my car. Might explain it on google.

I will try to find out how much a key card actually does. Doesn't it need power...as in a battery, to actually send a signal?

houdini2

driver100 said:

houdini2 said:

driver100 said:

I would never think to put windows up or down with the MB key. How does the card keep track of your preferences etc? For example, if I use my key the seats automatically adjust to my settings, Mrs D's key does the same for her. It sores information they read for service. Can the card do that, or is it more like if you are out of town, lose your key, at least you can get home OK?

I just now googled Mercedes Key Card. They have them. $125. Don't know about the preferences, etc. wife never drives my car. Might explain it on google.

I will try to find out how much a key card actually does. Doesn't it need power...as in a battery, to actually send a signal?

Yes, it has a small battery. It is about twice as thick as a credit card and will fit in your wallet. I think ours cost about $180. Best bet is to talk to a Mercedes dealer.

driver100

I think the key card is exclusive to Lexus:
What Is The Lexus SmartAccess Card Key?

The Lexus SmartAccess system is a traditional keyless entry system, allowing the driver to lock and unlock the doors, open the trunk, and start the car, all without having to remove their key from their pocket. Sensors in the car detect the SmartAccess key, and then allow the car to be unlocked when you touch the door handle.

Lexus SmartAccess Key

imidazol97

oldfarmer50 said:

For Christmas my son got me a key ring that lights up if you whistle.

Don't they make a key ring that lights up if you clap? OR was that just for lights in the house? LOL
We need a clapper for key rings.

andres3

Wouldn't mind driving all these tracks.

andres3

stickguy

I refused to ever get an Alexa or other version of that. I don't trust anyone that much. Nothing that has come out since has made me change my mind.

stickguy

as to keys, Driver, the fob is basically just a computer chip transmitter. I am sure the card version is exactly the same thing. The fob just has some buttons on it so it needs to be bigger (though that could just be tradition!)

Might not help you, but some cars now (Tesla for sure, and I think Volvo) let your smart phone act as the fob also. makes sense, since that is just a little computer that transmits signals! So instead of spending all the money on a physical fob, you just need an app on your phone. Assuming you have a real smart phone!

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

as to keys, Driver, the fob is basically just a computer chip transmitter. I am sure the card version is exactly the same thing. The fob just has some buttons on it so it needs to be bigger (though that could just be tradition!)

Might not help you, but some cars now (Tesla for sure, and I think Volvo) let your smart phone act as the fob also. makes sense, since that is just a little computer that transmits signals! So instead of spending all the money on a physical fob, you just need an app on your phone. Assuming you have a real smart phone!

I’d rather just have an old fashion key. I don’t need auto start, remote back scratchers or any of the other modern stuff. The size of the fobs has been getting ridiculous. I used to carry all my keys on one ring but can’t anymore. I seldom even lock my cars so why do I need a $300 key as big as a loaf of bread? A $900 smart phone would be even worse.

My favorite key is for my 2004 cargo van. If I lose one I can make a copy at any hardware store for $3.

driver100

stickguy said:

as to keys, Driver, the fob is basically just a computer chip transmitter. I am sure the card version is exactly the same thing. The fob just has some buttons on it so it needs to be bigger (though that could just be tradition!)

Might not help you, but some cars now (Tesla for sure, and I think Volvo) let your smart phone act as the fob also. makes sense, since that is just a little computer that transmits signals! So instead of spending all the money on a physical fob, you just need an app on your phone. Assuming you have a real smart phone!

Stick....I don't have a Smart phone yet....just a Pay as You Go because I hardly ever use it. I will get one soon though, that is the way the world is going. I will probably need it to pay for things, to use an Uber, to get into a play or sporting event.

A Smart phone would be good to use as the key....of course, I could lose my phone too!

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

as to keys, Driver, the fob is basically just a computer chip transmitter. I am sure the card version is exactly the same thing. The fob just has some buttons on it so it needs to be bigger (though that could just be tradition!)

Might not help you, but some cars now (Tesla for sure, and I think Volvo) let your smart phone act as the fob also. makes sense, since that is just a little computer that transmits signals! So instead of spending all the money on a physical fob, you just need an app on your phone. Assuming you have a real smart phone!

I’d rather just have an old fashion key. I don’t need auto start, remote back scratchers or any of the other modern stuff. The size of the fobs has been getting ridiculous. I used to carry all my keys on one ring but can’t anymore. I seldom even lock my cars so why do I need a $300 key as big as a loaf of bread? A $900 smart phone would be even worse.

My favorite key is for my 2004 cargo van. If I lose one I can make a copy at any hardware store for $3.

C'mon oldfarmer.......you haven't lived until you have got used to a keyless key. No need to pull a key out of your pocket, just get in and press a button. Of course, everything has it's price, batteries go and they went quite often with early models. But, once you get used to it you don't want to go back.

Do you still get up to change channels on your TV....or have wind up windows in your cars....that is what a key is like.

oldfarmer50

They were waiting until driver100 got out before the party started:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/nude-florida-women-were-air-drying-at-rest-stop-police-say-before-leading-them-on-wild-chase

ab348

Surprised that smart keys do not have a function like the "Find my iPhone" thing.

stickguy

Once my wife got the Robles’s entry and start, she was hooked. It would be a deal breaker for her on the next car not having that.

And last night shortly after I posted about cell phones, there was an ad for the new BMW 3 series. Featuring someone just holding their cell phone up to the door handle to unlock it!

fintail

This is the best track sticker seen so far:

andres3 said:

Wouldn't mind driving all these tracks.

fintail

I am sure other brands have it too, but I can unlock/lock and start my new E with an app, along with checking other status and vitals data. I've never used the phone to do more than check, however (I suppose it is handy for fuel level, and it is amusing to see my mpg in the latest commute grind, how low can it go?).

oldfarmer50

This is bad.

https://nypost.com/2019/04/11/gas-explosion-wrecks-world-class-porsche-collection/

houdini2

driver100 said:

I think the key card is exclusive to Lexus:
What Is The Lexus SmartAccess Card Key?

The Lexus SmartAccess system is a traditional keyless entry system, allowing the driver to lock and unlock the doors, open the trunk, and start the car, all without having to remove their key from their pocket. Sensors in the car detect the SmartAccess key, and then allow the car to be unlocked when you touch the door handle.

Lexus SmartAccess Key

Well yes, the Lexus smart key card is exclusive to Lexus....and the Mercedes smart key card is exclusive to Mercedes. Google is your friend.

houdini2

houdini2 said:

driver100 said:

I think the key card is exclusive to Lexus:
What Is The Lexus SmartAccess Card Key?

The Lexus SmartAccess system is a traditional keyless entry system, allowing the driver to lock and unlock the doors, open the trunk, and start the car, all without having to remove their key from their pocket. Sensors in the car detect the SmartAccess key, and then allow the car to be unlocked when you touch the door handle.

Lexus SmartAccess Key

Well yes, the Lexus smart key card is exclusive to Lexus....and the Mercedes smart key card is exclusive to Mercedes. Google is your friend.

In the above you are describing the entire access system, not the card.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

They were waiting until driver100 got out before the party started:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/nude-florida-women-were-air-drying-at-rest-stop-police-say-before-leading-them-on-wild-chase

See what I mean, I always miss all the fun!

driver100

ab348 said:

Surprised that smart keys do not have a function like the "Find my iPhone" thing.

It would make sense and be easy to do. Since my experience lots of people tell me they are always looking for their keys.

tjc78

fintail said:

I am sure other brands have it too, but I can unlock/lock and start my new E with an app, along with checking other status and vitals data. I've never used the phone to do more than check, however (I suppose it is handy for fuel level, and it is amusing to see my mpg in the latest commute grind, how low can it go?).

Our Buick has it. It's actually convenient. If I don't feel like carrying my keys I lock them inside and use the app to unlock the car. It's also nice on a nasty day to remote start the car from my office or inside a store.

Needed? Absolutely not, but it's free and has some value to me.

I'm sure I've said it here before, but I for the life of me can't understand why more manufacturers don't have Ford's keypad entry. Nissan had it for awhile but it's long discontinued. I used it a lot on the Fords I've owned.

driver100

houdini2 said:

driver100 said:

I think the key card is exclusive to Lexus:
What Is The Lexus SmartAccess Card Key?

The Lexus SmartAccess system is a traditional keyless entry system, allowing the driver to lock and unlock the doors, open the trunk, and start the car, all without having to remove their key from their pocket. Sensors in the car detect the SmartAccess key, and then allow the car to be unlocked when you touch the door handle.

Lexus SmartAccess Key

Well yes, the Lexus smart key card is exclusive to Lexus....and the Mercedes smart key card is exclusive to Mercedes. Google is your friend.

I tried......why not look it up and give me the link ?

pensfan83

fintail said:

I am sure other brands have it too, but I can unlock/lock and start my new E with an app, along with checking other status and vitals data. I've never used the phone to do more than check, however (I suppose it is handy for fuel level, and it is amusing to see my mpg in the latest commute grind, how low can it go?).

My Fusion had the traditional Ford/Lincoln keypad on the drivers door that enabled me to lock/unlock the doors, open the trunk, or even roll down the windows and open the sunroof. It was handy with situations where I didn't want to have keys on my person.

ruking1

For as much as we drive OVER the USA drivers average yearly mileage, neither of us wants to RTFM &/or spend the learning time/practice needed/necessary to overcome the steep learning curves on the full options, known & unknown for one car, let alone up to 7 others we once had.

I know only one couple who spends any significant time in cars. (2,400 miles, R/T 4 X year+ normal 15k) Nada on car doo dahs. They use smart phones avidly.

houdini2

driver100 said:

houdini2 said:

driver100 said:

I think the key card is exclusive to Lexus:
What Is The Lexus SmartAccess Card Key?

The Lexus SmartAccess system is a traditional keyless entry system, allowing the driver to lock and unlock the doors, open the trunk, and start the car, all without having to remove their key from their pocket. Sensors in the car detect the SmartAccess key, and then allow the car to be unlocked when you touch the door handle.

Lexus SmartAccess Key

Well yes, the Lexus smart key card is exclusive to Lexus....and the Mercedes smart key card is exclusive to Mercedes. Google is your friend.

I tried......why not look it up and give me the link ?

Well, I am not surprised that you would have trouble figuring out how to use google.

ruking1

driver100 said:

houdini2 said:

driver100 said:

I think the key card is exclusive to Lexus:
What Is The Lexus SmartAccess Card Key?

The Lexus SmartAccess system is a traditional keyless entry system, allowing the driver to lock and unlock the doors, open the trunk, and start the car, all without having to remove their key from their pocket. Sensors in the car detect the SmartAccess key, and then allow the car to be unlocked when you touch the door handle.

Lexus SmartAccess Key

Well yes, the Lexus smart key card is exclusive to Lexus....and the Mercedes smart key card is exclusive to Mercedes. Google is your friend.

I tried......why not look it up and give me the link ?

Did you find MB’s information link? If not, give a shout out. I see the main MB S-class owners’ manual is a quick read at 578 pages.😴😱

Mr_Shiftright

oldfarmer50 said:

They were waiting until driver100 got out before the party started:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/nude-florida-women-were-air-drying-at-rest-stop-police-say-before-leading-them-on-wild-chase

Sometimes it's just better to let things alone. Every baby in the world has seen this already.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

as to keys, Driver, the fob is basically just a computer chip transmitter. I am sure the card version is exactly the same thing. The fob just has some buttons on it so it needs to be bigger (though that could just be tradition!)

Might not help you, but some cars now (Tesla for sure, and I think Volvo) let your smart phone act as the fob also. makes sense, since that is just a little computer that transmits signals! So instead of spending all the money on a physical fob, you just need an app on your phone. Assuming you have a real smart phone!

I’d rather just have an old fashion key. I don’t need auto start, remote back scratchers or any of the other modern stuff. The size of the fobs has been getting ridiculous. I used to carry all my keys on one ring but can’t anymore. I seldom even lock my cars so why do I need a $300 key as big as a loaf of bread? A $900 smart phone would be even worse.

My favorite key is for my 2004 cargo van. If I lose one I can make a copy at any hardware store for $3.

C'mon oldfarmer.......you haven't lived until you have got used to a keyless key. No need to pull a key out of your pocket, just get in and press a button. Of course, everything has it's price, batteries go and they went quite often with early models. But, once you get used to it you don't want to go back.

Do you still get up to change channels on your TV....or have wind up windows in your cars....that is what a key is like.

If I had to have a separate remote for every channel I would. That’s the equivalent with car fobs. Now maybe if you could program multiple cars onto one fob or phone it would be an advantage. Still wouldn’t work for all my antiques but I could see that being an advantage.

For what it’s worth, the Mustang has push button start so I’m not totally in the dark ages. I have wind up windows in the cargo van and it’s no problem. Good exercise.

ruking1

Most of these options are bundled & HUGE premiums are normally levied.

Heaven help one if anyone of these options go out after the warranty periods. Resale values are abysmal. It’s worse for over all car values if one/more options do not work. Most folks will over FMV (-) retail cost of repairs.

henryn

oldfarmer50 said:

If I had to have a separate remote for every channel I would. That’s the equivalent with car fobs. Now maybe if you could program multiple cars onto one fob or phone it would be an advantage. Still wouldn’t work for all my antiques but I could see that being an advantage.



For what it’s worth, the Mustang has push button start so I’m not totally in the dark ages. I have wind up windows in the cargo van and it’s no problem. Good exercise.

Now that's an idea whose time may have come. Key fobs are too d___ big and bulky, they do not fit comfortably in your pocket, and who wants to deal with 2 or more of them?

ab348

I just installed a Maximus Smart Security Light at my front door (I'd add a live link but Firefox and this site are no longer on speaking terms):

https://getkuna.com/pages/smart-security-light

This thing is pretty neat. You can monitor it, talk to whoever is at the door, activate an alarm, all sorts of things I haven't figured out yet. It records for some period of time I also have yet to investigate fully, and if you want to buy a subscription you get more recording. Once I figure it all out I'll report back. I got it at the local Home Depot much to my surprise.

I have long wanted some sort of security camera anyway and a couple of recent bad experiences with a neighbor placing their garbage on the curbs of other neighbors to avoid bag limits motivated me to get this. Installation was surprisingly easy.

stickguy

It’s already available, just waiting for people to accept the change.

Your cell phone can replace all the smart fobs.

henryn

stickguy said:

It’s already available, just waiting for people to accept the change.

Your cell phone can replace all the smart fobs.

Uh ... No, it can't. It can't replace either of mine. The key fob for the Town and Country has electrical contacts on one end which are necessary to start the car. And the key fob for the F150 has a "switch blade" key inside.

So no go for either of my vehicles.

tjc78

stickguy said:

It’s already available, just waiting for people to accept the change.

Your cell phone can replace all the smart fobs.

One thing is certainly for sure... you won't be forgetting your phone.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

Surprised that smart keys do not have a function like the "Find my iPhone" thing.

It would make sense and be easy to do. Since my experience lots of people tell me they are always looking for their keys.

Here's a suggestion you might want to try before buying another expensive MB fob:

Go find your mutt Trixie and put your second fob on the floor in the house where she can see it. She might pick it up like Hanks dog did and take off with it. Follow her to see where she goes, you gotta be quick here or you'll lose your second fob too. She just might lead you to where she put your other fob. Try it again outside. It might be a good idea to get Mrs. Driver to help just so you don't end up fobless with this suggestion.

Whatever you do don't come in here crying that @jmonroe caused you to lose your second fob because we don't want to hear it. :@

jmonroe

fintail

That was pretty innovative in the days before fobs and apps, probably really helped people with frozen locks, too.

pensfan83 said:

My Fusion had the traditional Ford/Lincoln keypad on the drivers door that enabled me to lock/unlock the doors, open the trunk, or even roll down the windows and open the sunroof. It was handy with situations where I didn't want to have keys on my person.

stickguy

henryn said:

stickguy said:

It’s already available, just waiting for people to accept the change.

Your cell phone can replace all the smart fobs.

Uh ... No, it can't. It can't replace either of mine. The key fob for the Town and Country has electrical contacts on one end which are necessary to start the car. And the key fob for the F150 has a "switch blade" key inside.

So no go for either of my vehicles.

You don’t have modern enough ones. Only works on the true smart ones that never touch the car.

tjc78

To think those keypads came out in 1980 and they are largely unchanged. 

3/4 unlocks passenger door after code
5/6 pops the trunk 
7/8 and 9/0 together locks the doors 

I never had one with window operation so don’t know that one.  

pensfan83

My car was a 2011 and IIRC once the code was punched in you held 9/0 and the windows rolled down and the roof opened. It was handy for venting the car on hot days.

When I take my jogging to the local county park I miss the ability to toss my keys under seat and lock the doors.