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driver100

So today, we took the trickle charger off the GLK and took it for a bit of a spin.
The Alternate Battery Malfunction warning came up.
What the heck does that mean?
I try to find it in the manual....nothing there.
I check youtube and other articles and I find out what it is.
Keep in mind...the GLK is 5 1/2 years old. I was planning on getting a new battery and an oil change this month.
The Alternate Battery is a battery that runs extra things, mainly the OFF/ON feature. Come to think of it, I don't think the car was turning off and on. But, I think it still has to be fixed or replaced as it could run some other things...who knows?
It is supposed to be easy to DIY, but you have to have some knowledge about changing batteries....rather let "The Guy" do it.
A few articles actually said, batteries should be replaced every 3 to 5 years. I expected to replace the main one, but I never heard of battery #2.
Do all new cars have a 2nd battery? Who has ever replaced one.
Batteries will go because of time, mileage has little to do with it. The cold climate probably doesn't help, but, an alternate battery that I never knew existed!

imidazol97

My Malibu has two batteries. The small battery in the trunk provides power for the lights, AC, sound system, during the short period of time the main battery is used for the cranking of the engine for restart.

The switching between the two batteries for the other things that are powered is handled by a switch that's a module near the main battery terminal.

I wonder if the extra battery your car has was being charged by the tickle charger during the time away. For the Malibu, I couldn't understand from the two you tube videos someone made troubleshooting the extra battery, cables, and the dual battery control module on the GM how the alternator handled charging the rear battery.

SO, your rear or extra battery may just be dead. Or the module that controls charging it now is not doing the job because something confused it. Or you may have a failure of a module.

Here in the US _most_ box stores will change batteries for us. I don't know if your extra battery is a special one or not. I don't know if MB has some crazy kind of system where it has to be installed and the car has to be told in some way it's a new battery and told of its parameters so the car computer knows how to charge it.

Do you have Autozone? I'd give them a call to see if they change the batteries and know what's required.

You know it's going to cost an arm and leg were the MB store to check it. But it may just need to be coaxed to charge back in the game.

In Malibu battery is on side of the trunk behind the soundproofing materials.

explorerx4

@imidazol97,
Isn't the trunk battery related to the start/stop system?

tjc78

I wonder if my Volvo has two? I have Start/Stop disabled so it certainly isn't getting any use.

tjc78

Looked it up.. yep two batteries.

I have to wonder. With all the extra things that have to be engineered/built to make a car with start/stop technology "work" is it really worth it in an "Eco" sense?

kyfdx

tjc78 said:

Looked it up.. yep two batteries.

I have to wonder. With all the extra things that have to be engineered/built to make a car with start/stop technology "work" is it really worth it in an "Eco" sense?

0.5 mi/gallon spread over the whole fleet. Substantial.

fintail

It's funny - there's a specific demographic in my area who wear masks at the slightest hint of a sneeze. I bet they are getting a laugh now. (actually, probably freaking out even more). I've noticed people driving with blue gloves, too. I see Amazon has masks in stock, but they get hilariously bad reviews - effectively TP bound with string, and are sourced from our most favored trading "partner" who has brought so much good to the world. I think I'll risk making my own, or frankly, just not wearing one. If everyone else is wearing one, I should be fine, right?

Here's my mask, good luck getting around this:

imidazol97 said:

It's good people are paying attention to the recommendations in the updates.

I went to Kroger early this morning wearing my surgical mask. Protects others from my droplets more than protects me from theirs. But better than nothing.

The people in the store were wearing all kinds of things along with medical masks. I felt like I was in an antifa action with all the dark masks. We should have been told weeks ago to make our own just like the pictures from that source country showed people wearing masks. But I enjoyed the ones someone made with the OSU logo on them!

I had ordered higher level masks weeks ago. I guess they were coming from another country. End of Delivery date window came a few days ago and no masks showed up on the USPS tracking (from DHL IIRC). So I ordered a few in advance of this latest push about masks. They're coming. Then yesterday, I see that the first order is being delivered late. I was expecting to get a refund from Amazon when their delivery window ran out.

I have excess masks unless this lasts through NFL season...

roadburner

My two cars with start/stop just use one large battery. That said, I’ve also permanently disabled it on both cars.

suydam

Asian countries have it right. If everyone wears masks, no one feels silly about it. My son in Spain says that people will glare at you if you go shopping without one. I think we are at the point now where we should all be wearing them when out in public.

roadburner

driver100 said:

So today, we took the trickle charger off the GLK and took it for a bit of a spin.
The Alternate Battery Malfunction warning came up.
What the heck does that mean?
I try to find it in the manual....nothing there.
I check youtube and other articles and I find out what it is.
Keep in mind...the GLK is 5 1/2 years old. I was planning on getting a new battery and an oil change this month.
The Alternate Battery is a battery that runs extra things, mainly the OFF/ON feature. Come to think of it, I don't think the car was turning off and on. But, I think it still has to be fixed or replaced as it could run some other things...who knows?
It is supposed to be easy to DIY, but you have to have some knowledge about changing batteries....rather let "The Guy" do it.
A few articles actually said, batteries should be replaced every 3 to 5 years. I expected to replace the main one, but I never heard of battery #2.
Do all new cars have a 2nd battery? Who has ever replaced one.
Batteries will go because of time, mileage has little to do with it. The cold climate probably doesn't help, but, an alternate battery that I never knew existed!

I’d have it towed to the nearest M-B dealer before it catches fire or explodes.

imidazol97

fintail said:

I love it.

abacomike

driver100 said:

So today, we took the trickle charger off the GLK and took it for a bit of a spin.
The Alternate Battery Malfunction warning came up.
What the heck does that mean?
I try to find it in the manual....nothing there.
I check youtube and other articles and I find out what it is.
Keep in mind...the GLK is 5 1/2 years old. I was planning on getting a new battery and an oil change this month.
The Alternate Battery is a battery that runs extra things, mainly the OFF/ON feature. Come to think of it, I don't think the car was turning off and on. But, I think it still has to be fixed or replaced as it could run some other things...who knows?
It is supposed to be easy to DIY, but you have to have some knowledge about changing batteries....rather let "The Guy" do it.
A few articles actually said, batteries should be replaced every 3 to 5 years. I expected to replace the main one, but I never heard of battery #2.
Do all new cars have a 2nd battery? Who has ever replaced one.
Batteries will go because of time, mileage has little to do with it. The cold climate probably doesn't help, but, an alternate battery that I never knew existed!

Call the "guy"!

explorerx4

I leave the stop/start enabled all the time and it works fairly seamlessly.
Wish my MKZ had it.
The starter is beefed up, not sure about what else.

imidazol97

explorerx4 said:

@imidazol97,
Isn't the trunk battery related to the start/stop system?

In my Malibu, the switch has 3 or 4 circuits that it switches. There are fuses on the lines.
The switch transfers power for those circuits ONLY during the time the main battery
is supplying its power to the starter.

So the extra battery in the trunk works for about 1/3 second each time during the cranking.

But they do go bad.

And the switching mechanism on the line out of the main battery under the hood has given
a few problems. That sets a code B305F, IIRC, that can be anything from a wiring problem
to the extra battery to a connector under the main battery in the engine compartment, to the DBCM, Dual Battery Control module.

I wouldn't be surprise if the Mercedes is set up differently.
I recommend watching Part II first
Part II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9UcLM7L0wg
Part I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1831&v=dUbVKfCBi2k&feature=emb_logo

graphicguy

I don’t think anyone here would argue that Honda/Acura offer some of the best build quality in the industry, and have been for quite some time. I do love my TLX, which is probably one of the reasons I’m in no hurry to sell it.

That said, I was sweeping out the garage today and looking at the TLX and Stinger side-by-side more carefully than I had in the past.

Here’s a brief view of the seam and fit/finish....TLX in red....Stinger in white...similar areas of each car....

roadburner

I think that the Kia surpasses the Acura.

imidazol97

suydam said:

Asian countries have it right. If everyone wears masks, no one feels silly about it. My son in Spain says that people will glare at you if you go shopping without one. I think we are at the point now where we should all be wearing them when out in public.

I seem to recall Dayton made it illegal to wear masks recently. I'll have to check into that...

Edit: they made it illegal to wear a mask while committing a crime within the City of Dayton.
One of those feel good ordinanaces. I still avoid doing any business within their boundaries,
and crime is one of them.

tommister2

imidazol97 said:

suydam said:

Asian countries have it right. If everyone wears masks, no one feels silly about it. My son in Spain says that people will glare at you if you go shopping without one. I think we are at the point now where we should all be wearing them when out in public.

I seem to recall Dayton made it illegal to wear masks recently. I'll have to check into that...

Edit: they made it illegal to wear a mask while committing a crime within the City of Dayton.
One of those feel good ordinanaces. I still avoid doing any business within their boundaries,
and crime is one of them.

I was wondering about that too. It’s one of those things...under normal circumstances you should not wear a homemade mask. Unfortunately nothing right now is normal.

imidazol97

roadburner said:

My two cars with start/stop just use one large battery. That said, I’ve also permanently disabled it on both cars.

Wish I could have disabled it on the Malibu. There's a device that plugs into the ALDC and tricks the computer into thinking the hood is up when it's started which disables it for the rest of that ON cycle. No easy switch to disable it.

At first it was smooth, I just didn't like it switching off when I rolled up to a stop sign, then restarting as I let up on the brake... But I learned to modulate the braking so I let up on the brake pedal as the car is almost stopped, which says the brake application is less than 27%, and that keeps stop/start from cycling. Also keeping the dual AC/heat settings different from each other says the interior comfort hasn't been reached properly, and the stop/start doesn't cycle.

There are people who early on inserted a switch that interrupted the wires to the sensor for the hood latch, telling the computer the hood was open as in a mechanic working on the engine. That keeps the stop/start from cycling. Others replaced the computer chip with a tuned chip. Of course the dealers considered that a problem when it came it for service.

Some other folks found you could tell the transmission manual position to cycle through all 6 gears. That worked on 2016 and newer MB's.

I'm hurting the whole planet with the extra CO2.

imidazol97

explorerx4 said:

@imidazol97,
Isn't the trunk battery related to the start/stop system?

Yes. The trunk battery is a large motorcycle like battery and it supplies power only during the actual cranking for restart on my Malibu--just a 1/2 second or.

fintail

I suspect MB Roadside Assistance will fix it for just the price of a (MB branded, dear) battery.

I know the stop/start only works if the car is warmed up and the battery is charged.

driver100 said:

So today, we took the trickle charger off the GLK and took it for a bit of a spin.
The Alternate Battery Malfunction warning came up.
What the heck does that mean?

imidazol97

graphicguy said:

I don’t think anyone here would argue that Honda/Acura offer some of the best build quality in the industry, and have been for quite some time. I do love my TLX, which is probably one of the reasons I’m in no hurry to sell it.

That said, I was sweeping out the garage today and looking at the TLX and Stinger side-by-side more carefully than I had in the past.

Here’s a brief view of the seam and fit/finish....TLX in red....Stinger in white...similar areas of each car....

The smoother gloss on the paint can be seen in the pictures on the Kia.

oldfarmer50

fintail said:

It's funny - there's a specific demographic in my area who wear masks at the slightest hint of a sneeze. I bet they are getting a laugh now. (actually, probably freaking out even more). I've noticed people driving with blue gloves, too. I see Amazon has masks in stock, but they get hilariously bad reviews - effectively TP bound with string, and are sourced from our most favored trading "partner" who has brought so much good to the world. I think I'll risk making my own, or frankly, just not wearing one. If everyone else is wearing one, I should be fine, right?

Here's my mask, good luck getting around this:

imidazol97 said:

It's good people are paying attention to the recommendations in the updates.

I went to Kroger early this morning wearing my surgical mask. Protects others from my droplets more than protects me from theirs. But better than nothing.

The people in the store were wearing all kinds of things along with medical masks. I felt like I was in an antifa action with all the dark masks. We should have been told weeks ago to make our own just like the pictures from that source country showed people wearing masks. But I enjoyed the ones someone made with the OSU logo on them!

I had ordered higher level masks weeks ago. I guess they were coming from another country. End of Delivery date window came a few days ago and no masks showed up on the USPS tracking (from DHL IIRC). So I ordered a few in advance of this latest push about masks. They're coming. Then yesterday, I see that the first order is being delivered late. I was expecting to get a refund from Amazon when their delivery window ran out.

I have excess masks unless this lasts through NFL season...

You look all set for the next Mad Max movie.

oldfarmer50

Idle question. How much do you think it would cost to fix this:



Dent by the wheel, scrape on the door trim. Not sure if the door itself is dented but I’m guessing it is.

qbrozen

Today's task: suspension and brakes on the Charger. Found these konis that are conveniently the same color as the car. LOL. The brakes are massive on this thing. Wish I had thought ahead of time to get new swaybar endlinks. I'll have to buy and install those some other day.

stickguy

$1,500, if no panel replacement.

stickguy

body work ain't cheap.

benjaminh

Alex on Autos likes even the base model Kia Stinger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GChobzaNCE

jmonroe

qbrozen said:

Today's task: suspension and brakes on the Charger. Found these konis that are conveniently the same color as the car. LOL. The brakes are massive on this thing. Wish I had thought ahead of time to get new swaybar endlinks. I'll have to buy and install those some other day.

Gee, even the floor jack and jack stands match the car color. If that ain't a fetish I don't know what is.

jmonroe

sb55

Sandy,
Any of your company’s cars parked in Fr.Myers?
https://apple.news/A0F3ZFus2Q8GeZgabvgGfig

cdnpinhead

qbrozen said:

Found these konis that are conveniently the same color as the car. LOL.

Hope the Konis work out for you. Back when cars required more of this sort of maintenance than they do now (and when I was gung-ho to do such things), I didn't have very good luck with Konis. Bilstein and KYB served me better on my Datsuns. Mind you, that was decades ago.

driver100

imidazol97 said:

I wonder if the extra battery your car has was being charged by the tickle charger during the time away. For the Malibu, I couldn't understand from the two you tube videos someone made troubleshooting the extra battery, cables, and the dual battery control module on the GM how the alternator handled charging the rear battery.

SO, your rear or extra battery may just be dead. Or the module that controls charging it now is not doing the job because something confused it. Or you may have a failure of a module.

I think you are onto something imid. The GLK has a built in battery charger....that hooks up to the main battery that is under the hood. No one thinks to charge the alternate battery which is under the floor at the very back of the vehicle.

Think about it....the START/STOP feature is put in the car to save gasoline. The cost of a new battery every 3 to 5 years costs way more than the gas I have saved, and the impact on the environment is a lot greater......dumping an old battery!

driver100

fintail said:

I suspect MB Roadside Assistance will fix it for just the price of a (MB branded, dear) battery.

I know the stop/start only works if the car is warmed up and the battery is charged.

driver100 said:

So today, we took the trickle charger off the GLK and took it for a bit of a spin.
The Alternate Battery Malfunction warning came up.
What the heck does that mean?

GLK is over 5 years old...no MB Roadside Assistance.

driver100

tjc78 said:

Looked it up.. yep two batteries.

I have to wonder. With all the extra things that have to be engineered/built to make a car with start/stop technology "work" is it really worth it in an "Eco" sense?

Not really, pay extra few dollars a year for gas, or pay $100s for a new battery, plus the impact of the battery when it is tossed out!

driver100

fintail said:

It's funny - there's a specific demographic in my area who wear masks at the slightest hint of a sneeze. I bet they are getting a laugh now. (actually, probably freaking out even more). I've noticed people driving with blue gloves, too. I see Amazon has masks in stock, but they get hilariously bad reviews - effectively TP bound with string, and are sourced from our most favored trading "partner" who has brought so much good to the world. I think I'll risk making my own, or frankly, just not wearing one. If everyone else is wearing one, I should be fine, right?

Here's my mask, good luck getting around this:

imidazol97 said:

It's good people are paying attention to the recommendations in the updates.

I went to Kroger early this morning wearing my surgical mask. Protects others from my droplets more than protects me from theirs. But better than nothing.

The people in the store were wearing all kinds of things along with medical masks. I felt like I was in an antifa action with all the dark masks. We should have been told weeks ago to make our own just like the pictures from that source country showed people wearing masks. But I enjoyed the ones someone made with the OSU logo on them!

I had ordered higher level masks weeks ago. I guess they were coming from another country. End of Delivery date window came a few days ago and no masks showed up on the USPS tracking (from DHL IIRC). So I ordered a few in advance of this latest push about masks. They're coming. Then yesterday, I see that the first order is being delivered late. I was expecting to get a refund from Amazon when their delivery window ran out.

I have excess masks unless this lasts through NFL season...

You must be related;

jmonroe

driver100 said:

tjc78 said:

Looked it up.. yep two batteries.

I have to wonder. With all the extra things that have to be engineered/built to make a car with start/stop technology "work" is it really worth it in an "Eco" sense?

Not really, pay extra few dollars a year for gas, or pay $100s for a new battery, plus the impact of the battery when it is tossed out!

Surprise, surprise. Now you know the car biz is directly related to the replacement parts biz. Gee, I wonder when that started?

jmonroe

jmonroe

sb55 said:

Sandy,
Any of your company’s cars parked in Fr.Myers?
https://apple.news/A0F3ZFus2Q8GeZgabvgGfig

I first heard about this over in the CCBA thread earlier today when it was thought only about 100 cars were involved. We knew @Sandy was in trouble then but now it's probably going to be a lynching

jmonroe

abacomike

driver100 said:

fintail said:

I suspect MB Roadside Assistance will fix it for just the price of a (MB branded, dear) battery.

I know the stop/start only works if the car is warmed up and the battery is charged.

driver100 said:

So today, we took the trickle charger off the GLK and took it for a bit of a spin.
The Alternate Battery Malfunction warning came up.
What the heck does that mean?

GLK is over 5 years old...no MB Roadside Assistance.

My Mercedes dealership's service manager told me that roadside assistance is under a separate warranty for the life of the car with its original owner so long as the vehicle is serviced every 10,000 miles or 12 months, whichever occurs first, at an authorized MB dealership for all A and B services per the maintenance manual.

I don't know if that includes Canadian cars.

graphicguy

imidazol97 said:

graphicguy said:

I don’t think anyone here would argue that Honda/Acura offer some of the best build quality in the industry, and have been for quite some time. I do love my TLX, which is probably one of the reasons I’m in no hurry to sell it.

That said, I was sweeping out the garage today and looking at the TLX and Stinger side-by-side more carefully than I had in the past.

Here’s a brief view of the seam and fit/finish....TLX in red....Stinger in white...similar areas of each car....

The smoother gloss on the paint can be seen in the pictures on the Kia.

Yep! And gaps on the TLX are larger than on the Stinger.

stickguy

Driver, it is not about saving the owner money. It is saving the company money by making it possible to meet the cafe standards. though those seem to be going away soon. Plus most makers are more concerned about the short term (advertising better MPG) and not the down the road part when it costs the owner more to repair or replace.

stickguy

The Enterprise local office near me has the lot stuffed with cars. And I realized that they have taken over a corner of the dollar tree parking lot next door for about another dozen cars.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

The Enterprise local office near me has the lot stuffed with cars. And I realized that they have taken over a corner of the dollar tree parking lot next door for about another dozen cars.

I hope that lot in Florida wasn’t an Enterprise lot. They’re self-insured. Goodbye profit sharing.

jipster

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

Oldfarmer- Lowball? How much lower you think they'd go? Looking at almost $10,000 off. The Sonata is out though. They only discount $1,200 off a $27,000 Sonata. Then got most of that $1,000 back with dealer fees and.something called "Pulse" ( flashes that. center brake light). But, yeah, I'll try to get a.little.more meat off the bone.

Explorer- I'll post more when I can, but residual on the non tech package with $1,000 down and 12,000 miles is $17,197. The residential WITH the tech package, same down and mileage....is $18,108

Benjamin- We test drove the TLX with tech package, 4 cylinder. Yes, we were interested in the base. But, with $1,600 more in incentive money for the TLX with tech.package, may be worth spending a little bit more ($1,400) and get the car with tech pack.

Suydum - On me pulling the trigger. Yes....the suspense is.killing me. I hope it lasts. ;-)

Imidazol7- Yes, the salesperson followed me in their company car. A bit odd as I thought she might lose me in traffic...think I stole it, and call the cops. I did put the pedal to the metal a couple of times. She kept up. th

To me the 4 cylinder had very good torque and power. I imagine the 6 cylinder must be a blast.

Sorry, I must have misread what you said. I thought you said the Acura was $10k more than the Sonata so I was suggesting you offer them the Sonata price (-$10k). Seems like that’s just what happened.

Of course you’ll have to go a ways to beat GG’s $17k discount.

How did GG get a $17k discount? Hopefully you guys threw him a party.

jipster

explorerx4 said:

@jipster,
How many mile a year do you expect to drive?
Some number were posted yesterday or so, that were for a 36/10 lease.
The numbers you just posted are for a 36/12 lease.

I'm around 14,000/a.year. I could probably hit 12k driving my wife's car on occasion as she works from home. But, the thinking was to buy the car when the lease was up, or buy the lease out asap.

jipster

Michaell said:

@jipster - would need the MSRP, the selling price, and the miles per year.

As others have pointed out, there is no dealer discount factored into the offer they gave you. I'd follow the advice @28firefighter gave you and counter with 6-10% off MSRP, less, incentives ($8700 + $750), and start there.

There is also an active lease thread on the TLX, here, where you can see offers made to other members:
https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/55639/acura/tlx/2020-acura-tlx-lease-deals-and-prices#latest

This is what the dealership sent.me.

$1,000 down
36 month/12,000 miles
Comes out to $420 a month
Residual is $18,108
Rebate for Healthcare professional: $750

Market Value $37,725
Discount $9,995
Selling Price $27,730
Total monthly payment $420

First Payment $420
Fees $0
Down Payment $1,253.80
Tax on down payment $0
Lease fees $0
Upfront sales tax $0
Balance due $1,000

jipster

imidazol97 said:

fintail said:

Now we are being suggested to wear masks - no matter that zero are available at least locally. So I made my own - eyes-only motorcycle balaclava with a filter over the mouth/nose, hockey helmet with plexiglass visor and metal jaw cage for extra protection - mess with me! I think I'll wear it the next time I go to the store, we need some laughs.

It's good people are paying attention to the recommendations in the updates.

I went to Kroger early this morning wearing my surgical mask. Protects others from my droplets more than protects me from theirs. But better than nothing.

The people in the store were wearing all kinds of things along with medical masks. I felt like I was in an antifa action with all the dark masks. We should have been told weeks ago to make our own just like the pictures from that source country showed people wearing masks. But I enjoyed the ones someone made with the OSU logo on them!

I had ordered higher level masks weeks ago. I guess they were coming from another country. End of Delivery date window came a few days ago and no masks showed up on the USPS tracking (from DHL IIRC). So I ordered a few in advance of this latest push about masks. They're coming. Then yesterday, I see that the first order is being delivered late. I was expecting to get a refund from Amazon when their delivery window ran out.

I have excess masks unless this lasts through NFL season...

A doctor friend, I play tennis with, said a mask would not protect you. This was 4 weeks ago at the very beginning of this crisis. Many "experts" in the media said the same thing. I thought it was common sense that a mask would offer protection. Somebody slobbers a big wet sneeze in the paper isle at Kroger, I come around the corner and drive my cart thru that plume of sneeze droplets? A mask is going to offer some protection.

We have to wear masks at work now. Try wearing one of those things for 8-12 hours. It's horrible. Glad to have them for my/others protection, but omg.

jipster

I'm suppose to get a numbers for a straight buy on the TLX today. Still looking to test drive the Mazda 6, Optima and maybe the Camry. Maybe throw the Ford Fusion in the mix. They are being heavily discounted. I highly doubt I'll like any as much as the TLX. Will just have to see how the numbers work out.

benjaminh

jipster said:

I'm suppose to get a numbers for a straight buy on the TLX today....

The big incentives on the TLX are only for a lease. Just buying the car will be a lot more expensive. Lease to buy is the way to go for this car.

jipster

benjaminh said:

jipster said:

I'm suppose to get a numbers for a straight buy on the TLX today....

The big incentives on the TLX are only for a lease. Just buying the car will be a lot more expensive. Lease to buy is the way to go for this car.

True. But if I get a good number for buying the car, I can use that as a bargaining chip for a lower price on the lease? Minus the $750 in incentives I believe.

Also, for whoever mentioned it, I don't think my saleslady is married. So I can try to set you up if I can get a good deal out of it.

tjc78

Just keep negotiating the sales price on the lease. Tell them straight up you know that they aren’t contributing much to the discount as it’s all manufacturer supported.

Once you get a firm selling price we can calculate the lease for you to see if it matches there numbers.