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roadburner

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

fintail said:

Also punishments for those who don't use turn signals. Seems to be an epidemic lately. Also maybe some progressive fines.

Over the past several years, MB has also offered a higher "performance" package on some AMG cars that bumps the limit to 186 mph, IIRC.

I would vote for a 4-figure turn signal violation fine. I find it much more offensive than the occasional speed demon that "dares" to pass me.

Even if he is going 191 mph?
As the cop said....if you are traveling the length of a football field in 1 second....if anyone moves in front of you or if anything goes wrong you will not have chance to react.
Ford Focus hitting a wall at 120 mph.

There isn't enough room for someone to survive the crash....and that's 120 mph.

Just think of it as evolution in action- or a bit of chlorine in the genetic pool.

roadburner

I remember that the E32 750i was the first BMW with a 155 mph limiter. At O'fest 1988 we were all taking a press car out to see if we could hit the limiter. I chickened out a bit north of 135 mph, but I asked my wife how fast she thought we were going and she guessed 85 mph...

andres3

stickguy said:

I don't either. usually. Some people seem afraid for some reason. Definitely some being passive-aggressive road warriors. plenty are likely oblivious.

mostly bothers me when they are driving slower than traffic.if they are moving over the SL and passing traffic, not a big deal. mostly.

one time I can see it is when the right lane is too slow. One place this happens is on the lower part of the NYS thruway, where the traffic can be pretty heavy but there are only 2 lanes. It is also hilly and lots of trucks. So, at times, you can get blocked in the right lane by slow traffic, but there are no breaks in the fast lane for long stretches.

so, you often have a choice of driving too slow, or just staying out in the fast lane, even if cars are trying to move faster than you want to go.

Going faster than you want to go for a few seconds is also an option, don't forget. It's possible to gradually pass slower trucks 1 or 2 at a time without impeding a faster moving passing lane; passing 10 trucks in a row might not be advisable if your top safe speed is building traffic up behind you.

stickguy

Then they need to gave some patience.

The bigger issue is, you can get blocked in behind a slow truck for a long time without being able to get out, since the speeders also tend to tailgate, and almost never let someone merge in. More like they speed up to block you in.

andres3

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

fintail said:

Also punishments for those who don't use turn signals. Seems to be an epidemic lately. Also maybe some progressive fines.

Over the past several years, MB has also offered a higher "performance" package on some AMG cars that bumps the limit to 186 mph, IIRC.

I would vote for a 4-figure turn signal violation fine. I find it much more offensive than the occasional speed demon that "dares" to pass me.

Even if he is going 191 mph?
As the cop said....if you are traveling the length of a football field in 1 second....if anyone moves in front of you or if anything goes wrong you will not have chance to react.
Ford Focus hitting a wall at 120 mph.

There isn't enough room for someone to survive the crash....and that's 120 mph.

Yes, a crash, into a wall.... of which there are none in the thousands of miles of Interstate known to mankind in a position where one could strike it at such an angle (head-on) and force. Interstates, where one would expect the fastest moving cars to begin with.

I often hear this straw man argument, whether it is a wall at a 90 degree angle to your path, a pedestrian, or some other thing that just doesn't exist on the highest speed roads, but is used to show "why you should go slower."

Also, in all my nearly 26 years of driving, all in the USA, Canada, or Mexico, I've never once encountered a car going 190 MPH or 191 MPH. I would say not even 156 MPH on public roads.

Not something I worry about or that keeps me up at night. However, if someone were going 155 MPH, I like to think my situational awareness is good enough I'd be in the right lane in time for them to pass me safely on the left. If the speed limit was higher, and the charges for 100 MPH not so draconian, the situational awareness required would actually be much lower.

Of course, this goes back to speed differentials, and how low speed limits INCREASE them, but I don't think we want to open that can of worms again.

Update:

Saw Fintail's post, and I agree, with limits at 65 or 70 MPH, as in CA, running into someone going 120+ on public roads is so extremely rare as to be a non-issue, but it they are running into traffic heavy enough that people have to get out of the way in 65/70 zones, it is not an appropriate speed to be going and I'm not defending that.

"I don't think andres was defending anyone going 120 or 192 on public roads, rather, that he doesn't care if someone wants to pass him, it's not his position to hold up someone who wants to zoom past, and that chronic non-signalers are much more annoying than someone who wants to fly by (likely going no more than ~20 30 over)."

Adjusted for the reality of CA. States with speed limits at 75, 80, or 85 can probably get away with saying most drivers only go 10 or 15 over. CA has some wide open Interstate with many lanes! Of course, I have noticed an uptick in speeds driven due to Covid-19 which is swaying the numbers, probably 25 over would cover most everyone prior to Covid-19, and even after, still more than 85%.

andres3

nyccarguy said:

cdnpinhead said:

andres3 said:

I'd tend to think lowly of someone on the Lincoln LS board to begin with.

It's becoming clearer why we get along so well.

I was waiting for you to chime in.

You know, when I hit the "post comment" button, I instantly felt it was too harsh against Lincoln, not leaving enough separation with the Jeep Liberty, which is really the car I wanted to pan in the post. Lincoln was just an easy innocent target and collateral damage. The nukes were aimed at the Jeep Liberty.

andres3

stickguy said:

Then they need to gave some patience.

The bigger issue is, you can get blocked in behind a slow truck for a long time without being able to get out, since the speeders also tend to tailgate, and almost never let someone merge in. More like they speed up to block you in.

I don't think speeders tend to tailgate, they just tend to congregate with slower moving traffic impeding them in front of them. That's what happens when someone impedes the left lane when combined with heavy traffic. The quicker the bottlenecker gets out of the way, the more quickly the speeders can spread out and resume natural speeds again; even if there's 30 or 50 of them.

The patience has to go both ways. Too many times have I seen someone cut off traffic in the passing lane and dawdle to make an extremely slow pass (and I'm not talking big semi-trucks either), and by the time the pass is completed, the passing lane has 1 mile or more of clear road ahead of it when they finally move right.

abacomike

andres3 said:

stickguy said:

I don't either. usually. Some people seem afraid for some reason. Definitely some being passive-aggressive road warriors. plenty are likely oblivious.

mostly bothers me when they are driving slower than traffic.if they are moving over the SL and passing traffic, not a big deal. mostly.

one time I can see it is when the right lane is too slow. One place this happens is on the lower part of the NYS thruway, where the traffic can be pretty heavy but there are only 2 lanes. It is also hilly and lots of trucks. So, at times, you can get blocked in the right lane by slow traffic, but there are no breaks in the fast lane for long stretches.

so, you often have a choice of driving too slow, or just staying out in the fast lane, even if cars are trying to move faster than you want to go.

Going faster than you want to go for a few seconds is also an option, don't forget. It's possible to gradually pass slower trucks without impeding a faster moving passing lane; passing 10 trucks in a row might not be advisable if your top safe speed is building traffic up behind you.

I guess I am just too old to understand the urges some people have to drive a car at 80-90 mph on an interstate or toll road. Even when I was in my mid 20's and 30's, I never had the urge to drive that fast - I had a wife and two young kids who depended on me emotionally and financially to be there for them!

Yes, when I was 18 and until I got married at 23, I would push the pedal to the metal in my '66 GTO TriPower 4-speed Hurst and my '67 Corvette Stingray 3-Deuces 4-speed Muncie to speeds approaching 100 mph. But I was dumb and stupid at that time and had few, if any responsibilities. I even rode a Honda Custom 1000cc motor cycle until my wife insisted that I grow up - she told me it was the bike or her! I chose her!

Notice the different mindsets in the life of this man - the first being tempted by speed and power and the second realizing significant responsibilities. I grew out of my 1st mindset and settled into my second mindset out of maturity and needs.

Now that I have arrived at the September of my life and have even tasted the end of my years several times, I refuse to tempt fate and my auto insurance company to speed at dangerously high speeds. I pride myself on possessing a "Safe Driver" Florida drivers license as does my insurance company.

Those who truly love driving at excessively high speeds well above legal speed limits should join a racing club or organization with access to a speedway to get the urge to go fast out of their systems without endangering drivers like me on the interstates who drive at or slightly above the posted speed limits. 🤓👍😛

driver100

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

fintail said:

Also punishments for those who don't use turn signals. Seems to be an epidemic lately. Also maybe some progressive fines.

Over the past several years, MB has also offered a higher "performance" package on some AMG cars that bumps the limit to 186 mph, IIRC.

I would vote for a 4-figure turn signal violation fine. I find it much more offensive than the occasional speed demon that "dares" to pass me.

Even if he is going 191 mph?
As the cop said....if you are traveling the length of a football field in 1 second....if anyone moves in front of you or if anything goes wrong you will not have chance to react.
Ford Focus hitting a wall at 120 mph.

There isn't enough room for someone to survive the crash....and that's 120 mph.

1) Also, in all my nearly 26 years of driving, all in the USA, Canada, or Mexico, I've never once encountered a car going 190 MPH or 191 MPH. I would say not even 156 MPH on public roads.

2) However, if someone were going 155 MPH, I like to think my situational awareness is good enough I'd be in the right lane in time for them to pass me safely on the left. If the speed limit was higher, and the charges for 100 MPH not so draconian, the situational awareness required would actually be much lower.
.

1) Cars do hit bridge abutments, they hit cement pillars, they hit stopped dump trucks and semis. Sometimes even a wall;

2) 191 mph is 100 yards per second.....you would have to look in your rear view mirror every 4 seconds to even know the car is coming up to you, and then have time to react.
When people are overconfident about their driving ability, it can cause problems. Same situation after the first snowfall, when all the 4WD SUVs are in the ditch - oh, it was made to get through ice and snow.

driver100

andres3 said:

stickguy said:

Then they need to gave some patience.

The bigger issue is, you can get blocked in behind a slow truck for a long time without being able to get out, since the speeders also tend to tailgate, and almost never let someone merge in. More like they speed up to block you in.

I don't think speeders tend to tailgate, they just tend to congregate with slower moving traffic impeding them in front of them. .

So "congregating" is the new word instead of tailgating. No officer, I wasn't tailgating....I was just congregating

abacomike

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

stickguy said:

Then they need to gave some patience.

The bigger issue is, you can get blocked in behind a slow truck for a long time without being able to get out, since the speeders also tend to tailgate, and almost never let someone merge in. More like they speed up to block you in.

I don't think speeders tend to tailgate, they just tend to congregate with slower moving traffic impeding them in front of them. .

So "congregating" is the new word instead of tailgating. No officer, I wasn't tailgating....I was just congregating

...And while I was "congregating" officer, I was praying that they would raise the speed limit to 100 mph...

omarman

abacomike said:

Those who truly love driving at excessively high speeds well above legal speed limits should join a racing club or organization with access to a speedway to get the urge to go fast out of their systems without endangering drivers like me on the interstates who drive at or slightly above the posted speed limits. 🤓👍😛

Reminds me of Junior Brown.
If you wanna race, then get on a race track,
cause if you try and run away, I'm gonna bring ya back...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_wLVCLPx0M

andres3

dino001 said:

andres3 said:

dino001 said:

Current most US-based German cars have 130 mph governorns, usually bumped up to 150 if the car has sports suspension package. Special sport models, like AMG, M or RS may have their own rules, though and I'm sure there are plenty of places you can reflash your CPU to remove the gorvernor, if it's there.

300+ kph is definitely an absurd speed for public roads with stock tires, even those on AMG model. Let alone a teenager driving it, which should result in long driver license suspension and perhaps many hours of community service, preferably at trauma hospital unit. I probably wouldn't imprison them, but I would make their life quite miserable for at least couple of years.

I think those punishments should be reserved for left lane campers/impeders, or perhaps those youngsters that cause their first collision. In the hopes that they might avoid creating a second collision.

Rich kid going 150 mph and older gentleman going ten mph too slow. Sure, clearly same thing.

Ahhh, a common mistake of left lane impeders. The violation isn't going too slow, but being in the wrong lane. Once you come to this realization, it all makes much more sense. Grandpa can go as slow as he wants in his Buick in the far right lane, and most people wouldn't complain (though there are other laws in many States with a minimum speed limit on freeways). Usually the minimum limit grants enough leeway for absurdly low speeds.

But who said the left lane impeder was old? I didn't! I see left lane blockers of all ages in all makes and models, though Prius' do tend to have a love affair with the far left lane.

oldfarmer50

bwia said:

The new unemployment math.

How can the unemployment rate for April be 14.7% when over 30 million people are unemployed. Is this a mistake or will that number be revised (upward) later. I also understand that some people who filed for unemployment benefits, but are not looking for a job, are not counted as unemployed. Can someone care to explain?

From what I read previous to this is that they only count those who have filed for unemployment. There are also other methods of counting the unemployment rate depending on how you want to portray them.

I filed for UI on 3/25 and just got approved on 5/11. Supposedly there is near $4k due me but because they won’t process my direct deposit info I might have to wait another 3 weeks to see any of it.

The crazy part is that between federal and state programs they are going to pay me 3X what I made while working. No wonder people don’t want to go back. As for me I’ve heard that my company is slowly bringing back drivers on a limited basis. I’m hoping to get back in myself soon even if it will cost me $500/week to do so.

As part of getting UI in NY you are required to look for work so I emailed some companies online. I got a call within 30 minutes from one of them. Evidently if you earn less than $50k it makes no sense to go back to work.

andres3

venture said:

stickguy said:

qbrozen said:

A Soul can’t hit 120. And the paper publishing another driver’s estimate is very poor “reporting,” IMHO.

Agreed that eyeball estimate is going to be unreliable (anything more “fast” or “really fast”. But I actually checked, and you might have to be insane to do it, but on an open highway with room, and the right year/engine, you can get a Soul up near that high. At least based on some random Soul forum I found!

I used to do a fair amount of speed checking using a radar gun. You would think, after using a gun for a while, that you could judge speeds pretty well. You can't; especially at the higher speeds.

Don't tell the Traffic Courts that! They take the boiler plate testimony of Officer's speed estimations as a religiously cult gospel not to be challenged by mere human mortals.

So when your radar detector clearly gets "popped" on a deserted isolated highway even when your going the "speed limit" it does make one wonder about those "estimation" inaccuracies. Seemed like a waste of car battery to run his radar on me that one time.

roadburner

Robert Cumberford once wrote that he thought 80 mph was a good average speed for most US limited access roads, and I'd tend to agree- it's the speed I drove at back in the days of the beyond moronic 55 mph NMSL(armed with a CB and 1st. Gen Escort) and it's the speed I drive at now.

andres3

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

It's not just AMG M-B models that can speed in ridiculously inappropriate ways. How about a Kia Soul doing an estimated 120mph on suburban streets? With fatal results sadly:

https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/news/canada/witness-describes-horrific-crash-scene-that-left-two-men-dead-in-st-johns-448968/

The Soul is probably the one that turned over:

I get top speed for a KIA Soul as 90 m.p.h. If you are going 60 mph and a car zooms by you may think he is going 120 mph.......
Between a kid going 150 mph and an old guy going 10 mph under, I would rather deal with the 10 mph under guy anytime.
Really awful...poor motorcycle guy did not have a chance...of course, the speeders never think about the innocent victims who's lives they will ruin.

Do you honestly think that collision was due to speed/speeding? 100+ on a suburban road like that? Could it be poor judgment and going too fast for conditions? Could it also be failure to yield to other object/vehicles? Failure to brake? Or at least failure to brake timely? Maybe he was drunk? Maybe he fell asleep?

I find very little in common with someone going 100+ on a suburban road with someone going 100+ between Baker and Vegas on I15.

andres3

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

fintail said:

Also punishments for those who don't use turn signals. Seems to be an epidemic lately. Also maybe some progressive fines.

Over the past several years, MB has also offered a higher "performance" package on some AMG cars that bumps the limit to 186 mph, IIRC.

I would vote for a 4-figure turn signal violation fine. I find it much more offensive than the occasional speed demon that "dares" to pass me.

Even if he is going 191 mph?
As the cop said....if you are traveling the length of a football field in 1 second....if anyone moves in front of you or if anything goes wrong you will not have chance to react.
Ford Focus hitting a wall at 120 mph.

There isn't enough room for someone to survive the crash....and that's 120 mph.

1) Also, in all my nearly 26 years of driving, all in the USA, Canada, or Mexico, I've never once encountered a car going 190 MPH or 191 MPH. I would say not even 156 MPH on public roads.

2) However, if someone were going 155 MPH, I like to think my situational awareness is good enough I'd be in the right lane in time for them to pass me safely on the left. If the speed limit was higher, and the charges for 100 MPH not so draconian, the situational awareness required would actually be much lower.
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1) Cars do hit bridge abutments, they hit cement pillars, they hit stopped dump trucks and semis. Sometimes even a wall;

2) 191 mph is 100 yards per second.....you would have to look in your rear view mirror every 4 seconds to even know the car is coming up to you, and then have time to react.
When people are overconfident about their driving ability, it can cause problems. Same situation after the first snowfall, when all the 4WD SUVs are in the ditch - oh, it was made to get through ice and snow.

1) Bridge abutments and concrete pillars are usually protected by yellow buckets of water or sand. That "wall" picture, doesn't look like highway/freeway/Interstate to me.
2) Your math appears to assume you are going 0 MPH in comparison to their 191 MPH (the most extreme speed you could find). So if I'm speeding along at half their speed, they are only going 50 yards per second relative to me based on your figures and math. That's 8 seconds based I suppose on your assumption your eyesight and visibility is limited to 400 yards or 1,200 feet? The math tends to fall apart here on all sides. And as already pointed out, 191 MPH on US/Canadian roads is "National news" headline worthy as it almost never happens. So it is an absurd speed where limits are below 100 MPH with other traffic.
3) SUV's in the ditch could be overconfidence, but it could also be a simple failure to adjust their driving to conditions. Could be plain ignorance that tires don't have as much grip on snow as dry asphalt.

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

Still waiting for any stimulus check. Don't use bank account for tax refunds, so will have to be a check. Probably will use it to take a trip to visit folks, and put the other 2k in an aggressive mutual fund.

I got mine on 5/5 by direct deposit. My older son got his by check a few days earlier. Strangely, my disabled son who needs it most of all hasn’t received anything and can’t even get a confirmation that he’s eligible.

andres3

abacomike said:

andres3 said:

stickguy said:

I don't either. usually. Some people seem afraid for some reason. Definitely some being passive-aggressive road warriors. plenty are likely oblivious.

mostly bothers me when they are driving slower than traffic.if they are moving over the SL and passing traffic, not a big deal. mostly.

one time I can see it is when the right lane is too slow. One place this happens is on the lower part of the NYS thruway, where the traffic can be pretty heavy but there are only 2 lanes. It is also hilly and lots of trucks. So, at times, you can get blocked in the right lane by slow traffic, but there are no breaks in the fast lane for long stretches.

so, you often have a choice of driving too slow, or just staying out in the fast lane, even if cars are trying to move faster than you want to go.

Going faster than you want to go for a few seconds is also an option, don't forget. It's possible to gradually pass slower trucks without impeding a faster moving passing lane; passing 10 trucks in a row might not be advisable if your top safe speed is building traffic up behind you.

I guess I am just too old to understand the urges some people have to drive a car at 80-90 mph on an interstate or toll road. Even when I was in my mid 20's and 30's, I never had the urge to drive that fast - I had a wife and two young kids who depended on me emotionally and financially to be there for them!

Yes, when I was 18 and until I got married at 23, I would push the pedal to the metal in my '66 GTO TriPower 4-speed Hurst and my '67 Corvette Stingray 3-Deuces 4-speed Muncie to speeds approaching 100 mph. But I was dumb and stupid at that time and had few, if any responsibilities. I even rode a Honda Custom 1000cc motor cycle until my wife insisted that I grow up - she told me it was the bike or her! I chose her!

Notice the different mindsets in the life of this man - the first being tempted by speed and power and the second realizing significant responsibilities. I grew out of my 1st mindset and settled into my second mindset out of maturity and needs.

Now that I have arrived at the September of my life and have even tasted the end of my years several times, I refuse to tempt fate and my auto insurance company to speed at dangerously high speeds. I pride myself on possessing a "Safe Driver" Florida drivers license as does my insurance company.

Those who truly love driving at excessively high speeds well above legal speed limits should join a racing club or organization with access to a speedway to get the urge to go fast out of their systems without endangering drivers like me on the interstates who drive at or slightly above the posted speed limits. 🤓👍😛

That's the thing, people today are going 80-90 safely. Cars are designed for it now. Certainly, take almost any modern car and it is exponentially many orders of magnitude safer at 80-90 than your GTO was at even the 55 MPH speed limit.

Speed isn't a "temptation" or some kind of rush or thrill on daily commutes, it is simply utilitarian. If you have no need to go faster, ride a bike, or walk. Cars serve a utility that can get you from A to B faster than a bicycle, and safely too. It isn't A or B. You can have both with modern cars and trained properly licensed driving.
Going slower isn't safer. It makes some people "feel" safer. Makes you feel all warm and cozy, but this is a perfect example:

That 191 MPH maniac has a greater chance of killing you rear-ending you at your "speed limit or just above driving" than they do rear-ending the other speed maniac going 155 MPH, whereby the collision force is only 36 MPH.

TX has had 85 MPH speed limits for years now. Believe it or not, the asphalt and concrete is not yet stained red from all the blood soaked "danger" of driving 80-90 MPH entails.

graphicguy

Well...now I feel like an outlaw. I regularly travel at 80+ MPH on the interstate. If I’m not exceeding the speed limit by at least +10 MPH, I feel like I’m going too slow.

oldfarmer50

carnaught said:

Speaking of weather, does anyone remember a frequent poster on these boards who is a meteorologist? His mother smuggled the children out of Albania in the 50’s or 60’s and he wrote a book about it. I think he resides in Kansas City? Was his Edmund’s name Cyclone?

Where is he, Marco, iluv, isell and others?

Do you mean mako1a? He passed away several years ago. Iluv left because people were teasing him about a never ending search for a Sentra. Isellhondas may have left because someone called him IsellKias.🤯

ronsteve

andres3 said:

1) Bridge abutments and concrete pillars are usually protected by yellow buckets of water or sand. That "wall" picture, doesn't look like highway/freeway/Interstate to me.
2) Your math appears to assume you are going 0 MPH in comparison to their 191 MPH (the most extreme speed you could find). So if I'm speeding along at half their speed, they are only going 50 yards per second relative to me based on your figures and math. That's 8 seconds based I suppose on your assumption your eyesight and visibility is limited to 400 yards or 1,200 feet? The math tends to fall apart here on all sides. And as already pointed out, 191 MPH on US/Canadian roads is "National news" headline worthy as it almost never happens. So it is an absurd speed where limits are below 100 MPH with other traffic.
3) SUV's in the ditch could be overconfidence, but it could also be a simple failure to adjust their driving to conditions. Could be plain ignorance that tires don't have as much grip on snow as dry asphalt.

If one car is doing 190 mph and another is doing 70 mph, that's 120 mph closing speed, or close to 180 ft/s. The relevant question is how far back can you identify and judge closing speed in your rear view mirror? And then even if the slower car pulls into the passing lane "safely" ahead of the other, how long does it take to slow from 190 to 70, and how much space is eaten up in that time?

andres3

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

stickguy said:

Then they need to gave some patience.

The bigger issue is, you can get blocked in behind a slow truck for a long time without being able to get out, since the speeders also tend to tailgate, and almost never let someone merge in. More like they speed up to block you in.

I don't think speeders tend to tailgate, they just tend to congregate with slower moving traffic impeding them in front of them. .

So "congregating" is the new word instead of tailgating. No officer, I wasn't tailgating....I was just congregating

Depends how you define tailgating. I don't think a speeder tailgates another speeder any worse than a slow poke tailgates a super slow poke, or a super duper slow poke gets tailgated by the super slow poke.

Faster cars will catch up to slower cars, no matter what you do, hence, the "Slower Traffic Keep Right" and "Keep Right Except to Pass" signage in almost every State in the Union.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

Limiters are normally put on so the car won’t exceed the speed rating on the tires.

Also at those speeds there’s a danger of the car lifting off the ground and going out of control unless it’s modified with aero devices.

driver100

ronsteve said:

andres3 said:

1) Bridge abutments and concrete pillars are usually protected by yellow buckets of water or sand. That "wall" picture, doesn't look like highway/freeway/Interstate to me.
2) Your math appears to assume you are going 0 MPH in comparison to their 191 MPH (the most extreme speed you could find). So if I'm speeding along at half their speed, they are only going 50 yards per second relative to me based on your figures and math. That's 8 seconds based I suppose on your assumption your eyesight and visibility is limited to 400 yards or 1,200 feet? The math tends to fall apart here on all sides. And as already pointed out, 191 MPH on US/Canadian roads is "National news" headline worthy as it almost never happens. So it is an absurd speed where limits are below 100 MPH with other traffic.
3) SUV's in the ditch could be overconfidence, but it could also be a simple failure to adjust their driving to conditions. Could be plain ignorance that tires don't have as much grip on snow as dry asphalt.

If one car is doing 190 mph and another is doing 70 mph, that's 120 mph closing speed, or close to 180 ft/s. The relevant question is how far back can you identify and judge closing speed in your rear view mirror? And then even if the slower car pulls into the passing lane "safely" ahead of the other, how long does it take to slow from 190 to 70, and how much space is eaten up in that time?

Exactly.....I was going to say something similar but not as simple and clear....and although I agree 100%, I think we are wasting our time.
Similar with the SUV comparison....could be too much confidence, but could also be poor tires etc. etc. I have done all I can. Sometimes it is better to know when to fold them.

driver100

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

stickguy said:

Then they need to gave some patience.

The bigger issue is, you can get blocked in behind a slow truck for a long time without being able to get out, since the speeders also tend to tailgate, and almost never let someone merge in. More like they speed up to block you in.

I don't think speeders tend to tailgate, they just tend to congregate with slower moving traffic impeding them in front of them. .

So "congregating" is the new word instead of tailgating. No officer, I wasn't tailgating....I was just congregating

Depends how you define tailgating. I don't think a speeder tailgates another speeder any worse than a slow poke tailgates a super slow poke, or a super duper slow poke gets tailgated by the super slow poke.

Faster cars will catch up to slower cars, no matter what you do, hence, the "Slower Traffic Keep Right" and "Keep Right Except to Pass" signage in almost every State in the Union.

But if all the really slow cars go to the right.........and I want to drive moderately faster....it isn't fair that I...the one traveling the real speed limit....should have to put up with them

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

carnaught said:

Speaking of weather, does anyone remember a frequent poster on these boards who is a meteorologist? His mother smuggled the children out of Albania in the 50’s or 60’s and he wrote a book about it. I think he resides in Kansas City? Was his Edmund’s name Cyclone?

Where is he, Marco, iluv, isell and others?

Do you mean mako1a? He passed away several years ago. Iluv left because people were teasing him about a never ending search for a Sentra. Isellhondas may have left because someone called him IsellKias.🤯

I think you got it...at least Mako and iluv....who wanted a Nissan NISMO for about 3 years. Isellhondas has been gone, think he did get a Kia, but, didn't he have trouble logging in or something?

fintail

Yeah, I think isellhondas had numerous login issues, and eventually gave up. The last I heard from him, be bought a late run MB 450SLC and I think found he didn't have much use for it, so was thinking of selling it. He lives one town over from me, IIRC.

For speeding, I usually set cruise at 8-10 over, and just let it ride. The PNW in general is a slower driving area, so this puts me in probably the top 10-20% of speeders. This is an area where many think 50 on an interstate is just fine, and some will pick any lane they please. Lately though (via lighter traffic volumes, no doubt), I notice a little more speeding - I set the same speed as usual on a little road trip last week, and was passed a few more times than normal (sometimes I can set it for 8 over and be passed by nobody). Weirdly, it didn't offend me - I would just complete my pass and get out of the left lane, allowing others to go by. Funny how it isn't an issue.

stickguy

Isell lost his email and didn’t want to be Isell2.0 so he drifted away. Though I think wanders in occasionally.

For the traffic question in the thruway (easy to pick on that road) when traffic is heavy but moving, the fast lane looks more like a train with the lack of space between cars. Nobody leaves a safe amount of distance. And if they goof and leave a small gap, somebody will cut out into it.

Much easier to drive with more moderate traffic and 3 or more lanes on the interstate, where you have easy options for traveling at a comfortable speed and getting around, or out of the way, of people at different ones.

Most interstates now, 75 with moderate traffic should be the SL and 80 is generally reasonably safe. Much beyond that, you are into crossing Montana with one car every 10 minutes conditions.

Though I have been in heavy commuter traffic on a windy 50 MPH SL parkway in NY (the Palisades, Bradd will know it well) where both Lanes are clogged but still doing 75.

fintail

That's a good point. Funny how "sharing the road" and similar is usually a one way street. If someone is pretending to complete a pass and has 10 cars backed up behind them, they are doing it wrong.

andres3 said:

The patience has to go both ways. Too many times have I seen someone cut off traffic in the passing lane and dawdle to make an extremely slow pass (and I'm not talking big semi-trucks either), and by the time the pass is completed, the passing lane has 1 mile or more of clear road ahead of it when they finally move right.

roadburner

Methinks iluv left because we all wouldn't admit that an Altima is the pinnacle of automotive excellence.

graphicguy

Does anyone know if Toyota is actually selling many Supras?

imidazol97

fintail said:

That's a good point. Funny how "sharing the road" and similar is usually a one way street. If someone is pretending to complete a pass and has 10 cars backed up behind them, they are doing it wrong.

andres3 said:

The patience has to go both ways. Too many times have I seen someone cut off traffic in the passing lane and dawdle to make an extremely slow pass (and I'm not talking big semi-trucks either), and by the time the pass is completed, the passing lane has 1 mile or more of clear road ahead of it when they finally move right.

Long ago, when we started driving into Michigan to go to a huge shopping outlet, I noticed that on 2-lane interstates Michiganders would speed up in the passing lane to complete their pass in a reasonable time. None of this I've got my cruise control on 67 and I'm going faster than the two semis in the right lane going 65.

They must have had much better driver ed there as well. They rarely would block in someone in the right lane on a two-lane highway or interstate, especially if the person in the right lane put their turn signal on to merge into the left.

Share the road.

stickguy

graphicguy said:

Does anyone know if Toyota is actually selling many Supras?

I started seeing a red one on the roads near me not long ago. Turns out belongs to someone in my neighborhood. Saw it parked in his garage one day.

imidazol97

andres3 said:

Grandpa can go as slow as he wants in his Buick in the far right lane, and most people wouldn't complain (though there are other laws in many .

Now come on. We know that's singling out a particular brand. In interest of correctness these days, that needs to be generalized as a "slowly driven" brand or as toyota which most said had replaced Buick as the Buick of the older set. LOL

Of course this is Grandpa'S Buick (1910)

dino001

roadburner said:

Methinks iluv left because we all wouldn't admit that an Altima is the pinnacle of automotive excellence.

I think it was Sentra, not Altima. I think it was our "tough crowd" assessment on general his financials when he wanted to buy a new-used car. All I remember he first fed us all these links one, after another, after another for something like six months, then it came up he had no money to buy one anyway. It was exhausting, I also remember his thin-skinned responses. Or am I misremembering it?

stickguy

His wife wouldn’t allow him to spend the money.

ab348

graphicguy said:

Does anyone know if Toyota is actually selling many Supras?

I haven't seen any numbers, but I haven't seen but one (at the Toyota zone office locally) on the road here either. I think it got decent (perhaps overly sympathetic) reviews from the auto press at the time of introduction - my sense was that many of them were a bit disappointed in it but didn't want to come out and say that - and that the image the potential buyers had in mind of what a Supra could/should be wasn't lived up to by the actual car. It seems to be a very good car, but perhaps not the barn-burner many expected.

dino001

stickguy said:

His wife wouldn’t allow him to spend the money.

And I think she was right...

driver100

stickguy said:

His wife wouldn’t allow him to spend the money.

His wife was the realistic one!

driver100

imidazol97 said:

andres3 said:

Grandpa can go as slow as he wants in his Buick in the far right lane, and most people wouldn't complain (though there are other laws in many .

Now come on. We know that's singling out a particular brand. In interest of correctness these days, that needs to be generalized as a "slowly driven" brand or as toyota which most said had replaced Buick as the Buick of the older set. LOL

Of course this is Grandpa'S Buick (1910)

Told you Buicks were for old people

driver100

Mrs D100 made an interesting comment on our little walk with Trixie just now. They'll never sell too many electric cars.....because not too many people park their car in their garage!!!!!!!!!!!

ab348

driver100 said:

Mrs D100 made an interesting comment on our little walk with Trixie just now. They'll never sell too many electric cars.....because not too many people park their car in their garage!!!!!!!!!!!

That's why God created extension cords.

roadburner

dino001 said:

roadburner said:

Methinks iluv left because we all wouldn't admit that an Altima is the pinnacle of automotive excellence.

I think it was Sentra, not Altima. I think it was our "tough crowd" assessment on general his financials when he wanted to buy a new-used car. All I remember he first fed us all these links one, after another, after another for something like six months, then it came up he had no money to buy one anyway. It was exhausting, I also remember his thin-skinned responses. Or am I misremembering it?

You are correct. I get mixed up by the plethora of memorable Nissan vehicles...

imidazol97

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

andres3 said:

Grandpa can go as slow as he wants in his Buick in the far right lane, and most people wouldn't complain (though there are other laws in many .

Now come on. We know that's singling out a particular brand. In interest of correctness these days, that needs to be generalized as a "slowly driven" brand or as toyota which most said had replaced Buick as the Buick of the older set. LOL

Of course this is Grandpa'S Buick (1910)

Told you Buicks were for old people

But look how happy they are.

imidazol97

imidazol97 said:

stickguy said:

He also said that the car did not feel especially stable at that speed either.

That's gotta be the understatement of the day.

I recall the 79 Mustang Pace Car that I won scared me out at about 85 or 90, don't recall which. But that long sloping rear hatch seemed to be giving "lift" to the rear of the car. Michelin tires or not, I didn't like the feeling that the rear wasn't stuck to the pavement.

andres3

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

stickguy said:

Then they need to gave some patience.

The bigger issue is, you can get blocked in behind a slow truck for a long time without being able to get out, since the speeders also tend to tailgate, and almost never let someone merge in. More like they speed up to block you in.

I don't think speeders tend to tailgate, they just tend to congregate with slower moving traffic impeding them in front of them. .

So "congregating" is the new word instead of tailgating. No officer, I wasn't tailgating....I was just congregating

Depends how you define tailgating. I don't think a speeder tailgates another speeder any worse than a slow poke tailgates a super slow poke, or a super duper slow poke gets tailgated by the super slow poke.

Faster cars will catch up to slower cars, no matter what you do, hence, the "Slower Traffic Keep Right" and "Keep Right Except to Pass" signage in almost every State in the Union.

But if all the really slow cars go to the right.........and I want to drive moderately faster....it isn't fair that I...the one traveling the real speed limit....should have to put up with them

Ha! That's just it, everyone likes the speed limit if it's the speed they like to normally drive. If they don't like the limit, then they go "moderately" over it, as even the old folks here have admitted they do.

This is no different than a youngin' stating they HATE the speed limit, and go "significantly" over it. You are all showing greater evidence for why the 85th percentile method would work best for the vast majority of all drivers.

A respectable speed limit would gain more adherence and compliance from young and old alike. A compromise, and studies have long shown the optimal compromise is at the 85th percentile. I would settle for the 85th.

In AZ, I didn't suddenly increase my speed by 10 MPH when the speed limit went up to 75. I was going about 80 in the 65, and still going 80 in the 75 zones. I respected the 75 MPH speed limit more.

andres3

ronsteve said:

andres3 said:

1) Bridge abutments and concrete pillars are usually protected by yellow buckets of water or sand. That "wall" picture, doesn't look like highway/freeway/Interstate to me.
2) Your math appears to assume you are going 0 MPH in comparison to their 191 MPH (the most extreme speed you could find). So if I'm speeding along at half their speed, they are only going 50 yards per second relative to me based on your figures and math. That's 8 seconds based I suppose on your assumption your eyesight and visibility is limited to 400 yards or 1,200 feet? The math tends to fall apart here on all sides. And as already pointed out, 191 MPH on US/Canadian roads is "National news" headline worthy as it almost never happens. So it is an absurd speed where limits are below 100 MPH with other traffic.
3) SUV's in the ditch could be overconfidence, but it could also be a simple failure to adjust their driving to conditions. Could be plain ignorance that tires don't have as much grip on snow as dry asphalt.

If one car is doing 190 mph and another is doing 70 mph, that's 120 mph closing speed, or close to 180 ft/s. The relevant question is how far back can you identify and judge closing speed in your rear view mirror? And then even if the slower car pulls into the passing lane "safely" ahead of the other, how long does it take to slow from 190 to 70, and how much space is eaten up in that time?

Using absurd assumptions like 190 MPH, and then again, 70 MPH (which would be inappropriately slow for any left /passing lane on Interstates I've driven lately during free flowing conditions) leads to absurd situations.

I'm not asking for 190 MPH speed limits. Is anyone? I'll compromise and settle for the 85th percentile. In the alternative, 100 MPH would work where limits are already 70+.

jwm40517

Ky has removed the normal requirement that people collecting unemployment have to be looking for work. They are allowing self employed individuals to collect UI without ever paying into the fund. Most employers will see their rates next year increase from less than 1% to 8 or 10%.