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andres3

imidazol97 said:

fintail said:

That's a good point. Funny how "sharing the road" and similar is usually a one way street. If someone is pretending to complete a pass and has 10 cars backed up behind them, they are doing it wrong.

andres3 said:

The patience has to go both ways. Too many times have I seen someone cut off traffic in the passing lane and dawdle to make an extremely slow pass (and I'm not talking big semi-trucks either), and by the time the pass is completed, the passing lane has 1 mile or more of clear road ahead of it when they finally move right.

Long ago, when we started driving into Michigan to go to a huge shopping outlet, I noticed that on 2-lane interstates Michiganders would speed up in the passing lane to complete their pass in a reasonable time. None of this I've got my cruise control on 67 and I'm going faster than the two semis in the right lane going 65.

They must have had much better driver ed there as well. They rarely would block in someone in the right lane on a two-lane highway or interstate, especially if the person in the right lane put their turn signal on to merge into the left.

Share the road.

Michigan State Patrol and State speed limits are known to be more progressive and based on "reality" than most other States. Top 10 material for sure, maybe top 3 of 50.

andres3

imidazol97 said:

andres3 said:

Grandpa can go as slow as he wants in his Buick in the far right lane, and most people wouldn't complain (though there are other laws in many .

Now come on. We know that's singling out a particular brand. In interest of correctness these days, that needs to be generalized as a "slowly driven" brand or as toyota which most said had replaced Buick as the Buick of the older set. LOL

Of course this is Grandpa'S Buick (1910)

In CA, I wouldn't be surprised if Toyota outsells Buick 50:1 or more, based on the amount of left lane encounters I've had in the last 10 years. Or maybe Buick drivers are speed demons!

Eliminating Toyota's off the roads would probably lower collision rates by more than double the actual reduction in cars.

andres3

https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/news/canada/witness-describes-horrific-crash-scene-that-left-two-men-dead-in-st-johns-448968/

So I read the article. Anyone else catch that the Kia driver was running from the Police Code 3? High speed chase. Yes, he was speeding, but anyone being honest with themselves knows the cause of the collision is "running from the Police" where the goal is to "get away from the law." I know European traffic studies lump this into "speed-related fatality" figures, it's just one of the many forms of misleading "padding" of the mythical stats where you lie with numbers.

The goal of the typical everyday speeder is just to get from A to B as quickly as SAFELY possible, not to run away.

laurasdada

Another Alfa bites the dust: The (very) red Giulia that lived a few spaces down from mine has morphed into a white VW CC. The red Giulia alternated as a white and a black Giulia for extneded periods. Service loaners, no doubt. And, when the local Kia/Alfa dealer was sold, the Alfa side of the store disappeared toot suite.

The Kia dealer, probably right after dumping Alfa, slapped on a $5k ADM to each and every Sportage. Because, well, Sportage. I've also read reviews of the dealer (pre-distancing) noting that in order to test drive one of their obviously worthy of ADM cars, the client had to sign an agreement to purchase the car for a "reasonable" price. Perhaps if/when I retire, I'll test drive there, just to kill some time one day...

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

A Soul can’t hit 120. And the paper publishing another driver’s estimate is very poor “reporting,” IMHO.

Depends. Late model 1.6L turbo models have an estimated top speed of 152. Can’t imagine it wouldn’t blow off the road if you tried though.

dino001

andres3 said:

https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/news/canada/witness-describes-horrific-crash-scene-that-left-two-men-dead-in-st-johns-448968/

So I read the article. Anyone else catch that the Kia driver was running from the Police Code 3? High speed chase. Yes, he was speeding, but anyone being honest with themselves knows the cause of the collision is "running from the Police" where the goal is to "get away from the law." I know European traffic studies lump this into "speed-related fatality" figures, it's just one of the many forms of misleading "padding" of the mythical stats where you lie with numbers.

The goal of the typical everyday speeder is just to get from A to B as quickly as SAFELY possible, not to run away.

Man, how dead is this horse and when will you stop beating it?

andres3

omarman said:

abacomike said:

Those who truly love driving at excessively high speeds well above legal speed limits should join a racing club or organization with access to a speedway to get the urge to go fast out of their systems without endangering drivers like me on the interstates who drive at or slightly above the posted speed limits. 🤓👍😛

Reminds me of Junior Brown.
If you wanna race, then get on a race track,
cause if you try and run away, I'm gonna bring ya back...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_wLVCLPx0M

My favorite line "..I'm just doing my best to keep you driving slow..."

dino001

laurasdada said:

Another Alfa bites the dust: The (very) red Giulia that lived a few spaces down from mine has morphed into a white VW CC. The red Giulia alternated as a white and a black Giulia for extneded periods. Service loaners, no doubt. And, when the local Kia/Alfa dealer was sold, the Alfa side of the store disappeared toot suite.

The Kia dealer, probably right after dumping Alfa, slapped on a $5k ADM to each and every Sportage. Because, well, Sportage. I've also read reviews of the dealer (pre-distancing) noting that in order to test drive one of their obviously worthy of ADM cars, the client had to sign an agreement to purchase the car for a "reasonable" price. Perhaps if/when I retire, I'll test drive there, just to kill some time one day...

Sad, both things. I liked Giulia, although didn't see many around. Kia dealer - I don't know how anybody can still do business this way in 2020. Some people just don't want to learn anything.

andres3

dino001 said:

andres3 said:

https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/news/canada/witness-describes-horrific-crash-scene-that-left-two-men-dead-in-st-johns-448968/

So I read the article. Anyone else catch that the Kia driver was running from the Police Code 3? High speed chase. Yes, he was speeding, but anyone being honest with themselves knows the cause of the collision is "running from the Police" where the goal is to "get away from the law." I know European traffic studies lump this into "speed-related fatality" figures, it's just one of the many forms of misleading "padding" of the mythical stats where you lie with numbers.

The goal of the typical everyday speeder is just to get from A to B as quickly as SAFELY possible, not to run away.

Man, how dead is this horse and when will you stop beating it?

When the powers that be earn some respect by not saying dumb things? The media, Insurance/IIHS, NHTSA/Government, WHO, and anyone else that knowingly spews forth a misinformation campaign.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

graphicguy said:

Does anyone know if Toyota is actually selling many Supras?

I started seeing a red one on the roads near me not long ago. Turns out belongs to someone in my neighborhood. Saw it parked in his garage one day.

I’ve seen more Stingers on local roads than Supras. Prices are comparable but I bet the Kia discounts more.

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

andres3 said:

Grandpa can go as slow as he wants in his Buick in the far right lane, and most people wouldn't complain (though there are other laws in many .

Now come on. We know that's singling out a particular brand. In interest of correctness these days, that needs to be generalized as a "slowly driven" brand or as toyota which most said had replaced Buick as the Buick of the older set. LOL

Of course this is Grandpa'S Buick (1910)

Is grandpa running nitrous on that thing?

dino001

andres3 said:

When the powers that be earn some respect by not saying dumb things? The media, Insurance/IIHS, NHTSA/Government, WHO, and anyone else that knowingly spews forth a misinformation campaign.

No doubt wide reaching vast conspiracy, probably same people who killed Kennedy, faked Moon landing and shipped SARS-Cov-2 in their suitcases.

stickguy

I figured it was the fuel tank. Looks safe!

dino001

oldfarmer50 said:

Is grandpa running nitrous on that thing?

Probably his breathing oxygen tank.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

dino001 said:

roadburner said:

Methinks iluv left because we all wouldn't admit that an Altima is the pinnacle of automotive excellence.

I think it was Sentra, not Altima. I think it was our "tough crowd" assessment on general his financials when he wanted to buy a new-used car. All I remember he first fed us all these links one, after another, after another for something like six months, then it came up he had no money to buy one anyway. It was exhausting, I also remember his thin-skinned responses. Or am I misremembering it?

You are correct. I get mixed up by the plethora of memorable Nissan vehicles...

I think you’re mixing up iluv’s fantasy of picking up a Sentra with jmonroe’s fantasy of picking up girls in a black Altima rental.

oldfarmer50

jwm40517 said:

Ky has removed the normal requirement that people collecting unemployment have to be looking for work. They are allowing self employed individuals to collect UI without ever paying into the fund. Most employers will see their rates next year increase from less than 1% to 8 or 10%.

My son the Uber driver isn’t eligible for regular UI but he stands to receive $600/week from the feds.

graphicguy

^^^^^^^^

Dude...I think you're lost. FaceBook posts are in a different app!!!!!

graphicguy

stickguy said:

graphicguy said:

Does anyone know if Toyota is actually selling many Supras?

I started seeing a red one on the roads near me not long ago. Turns out belongs to someone in my neighborhood. Saw it parked in his garage one day.

Doug DeMuro had a YouTube video about the 2021 coming out with more HP. Funny, he commented that it was a very thinly veiled BMW Z, with little more than Toyota logos differentiating them.

I was wondering if sales would justify upping the ante on HP as I haven't seen one...not one....on the street. I know they're limited production, but it's been out nearly a year. And, the only time I've seen one in person was at the Toyota dealership. It had fingerprints all over it but was locked. I asked the sales person if I could sit in it. He said he would need a signed piece of paper stating that if I liked it, I would buy it.

At first, I thought..."what's the harm?" Then I thought..."how sleazy". Didn't stay at the showroom too long.

re....iluvkiasephia. I'm still steamed about him. He insulted me personally about my religious affiliation. Add to that, his untruths to get his wife to let him buy first, a Scion, and then a Sentra, which really isn't a good way to keep a healthy marriage. He was upside down in his Kia Soul. And, then stated he was a fan of Dave Ramsey, who would cringe at the thought of adding negative equity to another car, which he couldn't afford.

This went on day after day, post after post, for weeks, if not months.

fintail

Probably a similar volume here, and I don't see Buick drivers being dopier than any other brand - around here they are probably better than average via invisibility. An LLC here is almost guaranteed to be a mass market full sized pickup or a small-mid sized car with someone holding a phone or engrossed in conversation with a passenger.

andres3 said:

In CA, I wouldn't be surprised if Toyota outsells Buick 50:1 or more, based on the amount of left lane encounters I've had in the last 10 years. Or maybe Buick drivers are speed demons!

Eliminating Toyota's off the roads would probably lower collision rates by more than double the actual reduction in cars.

driver100

dino001 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Is grandpa running nitrous on that thing?

Probably his breathing oxygen tank.

You're on a roll today Dino........
A few pages ago I decided to disengage.......

ronsteve

andres3 said:

Using absurd assumptions like 190 MPH, and then again, 70 MPH (which would be inappropriately slow for any left /passing lane on Interstates I've driven lately during free flowing conditions) leads to absurd situations.

I'm not asking for 190 MPH speed limits. Is anyone? I'll compromise and settle for the 85th percentile. In the alternative, 100 MPH would work where limits are already 70+.

Get enough trucks doing 60-65mph and 70 is damn well appropriate to pass them. And around here there are enough people that are down to 50-55 in regular cars because they don't know how to drive up hills (locals, think the Gene Slider from 64 to Taylorsville, or coming up Billtown hill). I think 85th percentile speed is appropriate just about anywhere, but I can't think of any place in the US where 100 mph speed limit is appropriate. The places that are 80-85 mph seem to work well, and I usually found myself plus or minus 1-2 mph from those.

fintail

I bet even at the apparently governed 128, the wake of displaced air from that brick moving at that speed would knock over surrounding houses

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:

A Soul can’t hit 120. And the paper publishing another driver’s estimate is very poor “reporting,” IMHO.

Depends. Late model 1.6L turbo models have an estimated top speed of 152. Can’t imagine it wouldn’t blow off the road if you tried though.

fintail

I think it's an acetylene tank for the lighting.

stickguy said:

I figured it was the fuel tank. Looks safe!

fintail

WA did the same, as many employers are still closed, and entering the data into the system was apparently causing it to slow down. Maybe those with fingers on the button fear torches and pitchforks if people aren't somewhat made whole (or at least can keep a roof over their heads) - same with the extra weekly federal payment (which expires in July IIRC). For once a fiscal policy actually helps someone not in the top few percent, and puts money into the economy. I've seen a lot worse in the past few years.

jwm40517 said:

Ky has removed the normal requirement that people collecting unemployment have to be looking for work. They are allowing self employed individuals to collect UI without ever paying into the fund. Most employers will see their rates next year increase from less than 1% to 8 or 10%.

driver100

Slightly different topic. When we walked the dog ran into a neighbor/friend down the street, talked for a few minutes.....6 feet apart.
He told me he took his older Honda CRV to a fairly new fast oil change place in town. He got home and there was oil spots in his driveway. Took it back, they said something about oil gets caught on frame and drips, common problem. Took it home, still dripping, took it back new filter. Same thing happened......4th filter the young kid decided they hadn't put the filter in properly, so he did it the right way this time!!!!!!!

Like, that is their business. I told him it's better to go to a real mechanic...not the minimum wage kid. And I hope the threads aren't stripped.

fintail

I remember some fun closing speeds in Germany - one in particular. I completed a pass at maybe 100 mph, and was about to move right. As I look in my mirror, I saw a car a ways back approaching quickly. I got over, and a few seconds later, an E61 M5 touring zoomed past, probably going 130 or more. Fun. Even on the Autobahn, few seem to push 130 or so, and many just stay in the right or center lane, which often flows along at about 80 or so.

Really, if people would just use the left lane for passing rather than obliviously cruising, or passive-aggressively trying to play speed deputy, so much of this would be moot.

andres3 said:

Using absurd assumptions like 190 MPH, and then again, 70 MPH (which would be inappropriately slow for any left /passing lane on Interstates I've driven lately during free flowing conditions) leads to absurd situations.

I'm not asking for 190 MPH speed limits. Is anyone? I'll compromise and settle for the 85th percentile. In the alternative, 100 MPH would work where limits are already 70+.

fintail

Sounds better than WA, where sitting in the left lane is an art form, especially on some of the secondary but still key roads (167 is especially good for this).

Driver's ed here is now completely privatized from beginning to test - the state only issues the physical license. Not sure if that bodes well or not, seems to open some doors for malfeasance.

imidazol97 said:

Long ago, when we started driving into Michigan to go to a huge shopping outlet, I noticed that on 2-lane interstates Michiganders would speed up in the passing lane to complete their pass in a reasonable time. None of this I've got my cruise control on 67 and I'm going faster than the two semis in the right lane going 65.

They must have had much better driver ed there as well. They rarely would block in someone in the right lane on a two-lane highway or interstate, especially if the person in the right lane put their turn signal on to merge into the left.

Share the road.

tjc78

roadburner said:

dino001 said:

roadburner said:

Methinks iluv left because we all wouldn't admit that an Altima is the pinnacle of automotive excellence.

I think it was Sentra, not Altima. I think it was our "tough crowd" assessment on general his financials when he wanted to buy a new-used car. All I remember he first fed us all these links one, after another, after another for something like six months, then it came up he had no money to buy one anyway. It was exhausting, I also remember his thin-skinned responses. Or am I misremembering it?

You are correct. I get mixed up by the plethora of memorable Nissan vehicles...

Ha ha... you’ve been on roll lately.

If you ever commit a crime I think your sentence should be a month in a base model Sentra or Corolla.

tjc78

We’ve been taking advantage of the home by the shore and decent (still cool) weather and have been taking walks on the beach.

Here is our dog Frankie loving it



That’s Atlantic City in the background, right hand side of pic.

abacomike

fintail

Another speeder incident - I suppose I can believe that one, as the vehicle should have some power, and roads in that area can be fairly straight and empty

abacomike

I thought I would post the sticker from my car for those interested. No tire sizes listed, though.

roadburner

graphicguy said:

I was wondering if sales would justify upping the ante on HP as I haven't seen one...not one....on the street. I know they're limited production, but it's been out nearly a year. And, the only time I've seen one in person was at the Toyota dealership. It had fingerprints all over it but was locked. I asked the sales person if I could sit in it. He said he would need a signed piece of paper stating that if I liked it, I would buy it.

At first, I thought..."what's the harm?" Then I thought..."how sleazy". Didn't stay at the showroom too long.

Oxmoor(ons) Toyota let me sit in one- but I needed to sign a buyers order for a test drive- the same stunt that their Mazda dealer pulled when I was shopping for a Mazdaspeed 3. Screw 'em.

graphicguy said:

re....iluvkiasephia. I'm still steamed about him. He insulted me personally about my religious affiliation. Add to that, his untruths to get his wife to let him buy first, a Scion, and then a Sentra, which really isn't a good way to keep a healthy marriage. He was upside down in his Kia Soul. And, then stated he was a fan of Dave Ramsey, who would cringe at the thought of adding negative equity to another car, which he couldn't afford.

This went on day after day, post after post, for weeks, if not months.

That affectation he had of writing "ta" instead of "to" annoyed me to no end. I remember when he posted one of his interminable collections of Sentra photos and labeled them, "Champagne wishes and caviar dreams."
He was offended when I replied that I couldn't wrap my mind around using the words "champagne," "caviar," and "Sentra" in the same paragraph.

ab348

graphicguy said:

stickguy said:

graphicguy said:

Does anyone know if Toyota is actually selling many Supras?

I started seeing a red one on the roads near me not long ago. Turns out belongs to someone in my neighborhood. Saw it parked in his garage one day.

Doug DeMuro had a YouTube video about the 2021 coming out with more HP. Funny, he commented that it was a very thinly veiled BMW Z, with little more than Toyota logos differentiating them.

They have also come out with a 2L Turbo Supra with about 250hp, as video-reviewed by Edmunds here, along with this year's 6, which he claims is better than last year's version:

https://allcarvideos.net/2020/05/13/2021-toyota-supra-review-driving-the-new-turbo-2-0-liter-and-382-hp-six-cylinder/

The reviewer is a bit annoying but it is useful nonetheless.

abacomike

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

dino001 said:

roadburner said:

Methinks iluv left because we all wouldn't admit that an Altima is the pinnacle of automotive excellence.

I think it was Sentra, not Altima. I think it was our "tough crowd" assessment on general his financials when he wanted to buy a new-used car. All I remember he first fed us all these links one, after another, after another for something like six months, then it came up he had no money to buy one anyway. It was exhausting, I also remember his thin-skinned responses. Or am I misremembering it?

You are correct. I get mixed up by the plethora of memorable Nissan vehicles...

I think you’re mixing up iluv’s fantasy of picking up a Sentra with jmonroe’s fantasy of picking up girls in a black Altima rental.

Dean Martin look-a-likes have that problem - 🤪😜😛🤙👍

fintail

I suspect they are staggered.

I love the 2.5 mph bumper disclaimer.

abacomike said:

I thought I would post the sticker from my car for those interested. No tire sizes listed, though.

driver100

fintail said:

I remember some fun closing speeds in Germany - one in particular.

andres3 said:

Using absurd assumptions like 190 MPH, and then again, 70 MPH (which would be inappropriately slow for any left /passing lane on Interstates I've driven lately during free flowing conditions) leads to absurd situations.

I'm not asking for 190 MPH speed limits. Is anyone? I'll compromise and settle for the 85th percentile. In the alternative, 100 MPH would work where limits are already 70+.

There is the best idea....if you want to drive 130 then move to Germany.

kyfdx

driver100 said:

fintail said:

I remember some fun closing speeds in Germany - one in particular.

andres3 said:

Using absurd assumptions like 190 MPH, and then again, 70 MPH (which would be inappropriately slow for any left /passing lane on Interstates I've driven lately during free flowing conditions) leads to absurd situations.

I'm not asking for 190 MPH speed limits. Is anyone? I'll compromise and settle for the 85th percentile. In the alternative, 100 MPH would work where limits are already 70+.

There is the best idea....if you want to drive 130 then move to Germany.

Canada! It's a lot easier in KMs

sda

What, if any options is lacking on Mike’s E? Looks like it has everything. It still surprises me that leather is an option on a $60k+ car. I think it’s a big plus it has all season tires. They will last longer than summer tires and can be driven when temps get cold. Beautiful car.

qbrozen

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:

A Soul can’t hit 120. And the paper publishing another driver’s estimate is very poor “reporting,” IMHO.

Depends. Late model 1.6L turbo models have an estimated top speed of 152. Can’t imagine it wouldn’t blow off the road if you tried though.

That must be theoretical ... and in a theoretical vacuum. I have had several vehicles with far better power-to-weight ratios and better aerodynamics that couldn’t hit 150 on their best day. Although I never had any of them out to Bonneville. There are just some laws of physics you can’t cheat.

fintail

I certainly wouldn't want the average Murkan driver (or car) to go those speeds. But at the same time, I often wish for limits maybe evolved past when my grandpa was driving an oversprung underbraked barge with no safety features at all, on a road surrounded by similar cars.

However, I expect speed limit evolution just about as soon as licensing standards match developed countries. I think finally ending the moronic 55 legislation was the last time we'll see progress on that front.

driver100 said:

There is the best idea....if you want to drive 130 then move to Germany.

andres3

dino001 said:

andres3 said:

When the powers that be earn some respect by not saying dumb things? The media, Insurance/IIHS, NHTSA/Government, WHO, and anyone else that knowingly spews forth a misinformation campaign.

No doubt wide reaching vast conspiracy, probably same people who killed Kennedy, faked Moon landing and shipped SARS-Cov-2 in their suitcases.

All one has to do is not have extreme low IQ when actually reading the data to see the very clear and proven facts don't match the rhetoric in the agenda. Of course, this requires reading the data rather than blindly accepting their "interpretation" that is clearly an agenda of high bias behind it.

The NHTSA's numbers are good when not twisted and contorted. I compliment them on that. I like using their own data and numbers myself, often against what they recommend. One of my favorite cited studies is actually from the US Dept. of Transportation, which is one and the same as the NHTSA. One just has to actually read the data rather than blindly stick their head in the sand about how they recently interpret and report what the data shows or doesn't show.

Believing the "speed kills" myth puts you in-line with the flat Earthers; plainly. I'd rather believe the moon landing was faked than the Earth is flat, LOL, or that "speed kills." Of course, I don't believe any of those 3 things for obvious reasons.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/speeding - click the 2nd dot right below the "blue box" of data. When one has no facts, they resort to desperate measures, including, by their own count, padding the stat by taking half their
numbers from idiots that don't wear their seat belt. Then you advocate for under-posting speed limit signs to ensure many drivers are speeding at all times, and then report that "see, many are speeding when incidents happen" even if those incidents include not wearing your seat belt. California has a reported 98% compliance rate with seat belt laws, yet nationwide 49% of our speeding fatalities comes from this 2% of the gene pool (assuming other States don't have more idiots than CA). Throw in drunks, and high speed chases, and you can get about 9/10th's of your "speed kills" stats pumped up to suit your narrative.

Doesn't make it right though.

fintail

Other options are minor or rare/special order - Designo trim, HUD, warmth and comfort package, active/massage seats, soft-close doors, air suspension, air balance (scented HVAC). Some of these, like soft close and air suspension, virtually don't exist and would need to be special order. I see acoustic package (special glass and sound deadening) is off the option list, and rear sunshade is on it - the latter was in the basic premium package for the prior E, not sure what that is about.

His car has the key options - driver's assist, lighting, parking assist, pano, and some prefer leather, as well. A well-optioned car. If I was building a car, I'd want driver's assist, lighting, parking, pano.

sda said:

What, if any options is lacking on Mike’s E? Looks like it has everything. It still surprises me that leather is an option on a $60k+ car. I think it’s a big plus it has all season tires. They will last longer than summer tires and can be driven when temps get cold. Beautiful car.

bwia

abacomike said:

I thought I would post the sticker from my car for those interested. No tire sizes listed, though.

I noticed the identical sticker information on many Mercedes Benz of Westwood cars except different vin numbers.

oldfarmer50

fintail said:

Another speeder incident - I suppose I can believe that one, as the vehicle should have some power, and roads in that area can be fairly straight and empty

A kid speeding in dad’s car? I hate to admit that I was that kid at 16 (not the dui part though). I put dad’s ‘66 Dodge Polara station wagon through it’s paces.

andres3

ronsteve said:

andres3 said:

Using absurd assumptions like 190 MPH, and then again, 70 MPH (which would be inappropriately slow for any left /passing lane on Interstates I've driven lately during free flowing conditions) leads to absurd situations.

I'm not asking for 190 MPH speed limits. Is anyone? I'll compromise and settle for the 85th percentile. In the alternative, 100 MPH would work where limits are already 70+.

Get enough trucks doing 60-65mph and 70 is damn well appropriate to pass them. And around here there are enough people that are down to 50-55 in regular cars because they don't know how to drive up hills (locals, think the Gene Slider from 64 to Taylorsville, or coming up Billtown hill). I think 85th percentile speed is appropriate just about anywhere, but I can't think of any place in the US where 100 mph speed limit is appropriate. The places that are 80-85 mph seem to work well, and I usually found myself plus or minus 1-2 mph from those.

Have you driven Baker to Pahrump NV lately? How about Baker to Vegas? How about Barstow to Baker?

By lately I mean the last 6 years or so. Even Escondido to Temecula? Fast track lanes on I15 from San Diego to Escondido? I5 from Oceanside to Mission Viejo?

coldinohio

nice build

19inch all season; but no sizes as fin tail said

interesting; very intriguing

i wonder if I build this car, if it will tell me sizes....

enjoy car

abacomike said:

I thought I would post the sticker from my car for those interested. No tire sizes listed, though.

driver100

kyfdx said:

driver100 said:

fintail said:

I remember some fun closing speeds in Germany - one in particular.

andres3 said:

Using absurd assumptions like 190 MPH, and then again, 70 MPH (which would be inappropriately slow for any left /passing lane on Interstates I've driven lately during free flowing conditions) leads to absurd situations.

I'm not asking for 190 MPH speed limits. Is anyone? I'll compromise and settle for the 85th percentile. In the alternative, 100 MPH would work where limits are already 70+.

There is the best idea....if you want to drive 130 then move to Germany.

Canada! It's a lot easier in KMs

Great idea! Do you know how many Americans drive across the border and see a speed limit sign of 100 KPH and think they mean miles? A lot....great way to catch speeders.

jipster

roadburner said:

graphicguy said:

I was wondering if sales would justify upping the ante on HP as I haven't seen one...not one....on the street. I know they're limited production, but it's been out nearly a year. And, the only time I've seen one in person was at the Toyota dealership. It had fingerprints all over it but was locked. I asked the sales person if I could sit in it. He said he would need a signed piece of paper stating that if I liked it, I would buy it.

At first, I thought..."what's the harm?" Then I thought..."how sleazy". Didn't stay at the showroom too long.

Oxmoor(ons) Toyota let me sit in one- but I needed to sign a buyers order for a test drive- the same stunt that their Mazda dealer pulled when I was shopping for a Mazdaspeed 3. Screw 'em.

graphicguy said:

re....iluvkiasephia. I'm still steamed about him. He insulted me personally about my religious affiliation. Add to that, his untruths to get his wife to let him buy first, a Scion, and then a Sentra, which really isn't a good way to keep a healthy marriage. He was upside down in his Kia Soul. And, then stated he was a fan of Dave Ramsey, who would cringe at the thought of adding negative equity to another car, which he couldn't afford.

This went on day after day, post after post, for weeks, if not months.

That affectation he had of writing "ta" instead of "to" annoyed me to no end. I remember when he posted one of his interminable collections of Sentra photos and labeled them, "Champagne wishes and caviar dreams."
He was offended when I replied that I couldn't wrap my mind around using the words "champagne," "caviar," and "Sentra" in the same paragraph.

Possibly cost Oxmoor(ons) Mazda a sale when I was looking at cars. At first they wanted.me to sign a buyers order just for a test drive, then later I needed to print out two pages of info and bring it in for a test drive. As I said before, too many hoops to jump thru. But, the other Oxmoor dealerships weren't a as strict with getting a test drive.

The Oxmoor Mazda salesman sent me an text, AFTER I had already bought my Accord, asking if I was still interested in a new Mazda 6. I sent him a photo of my Accord with the winking eye emoji. ;-)

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:

A Soul can’t hit 120. And the paper publishing another driver’s estimate is very poor “reporting,” IMHO.

Depends. Late model 1.6L turbo models have an estimated top speed of 152. Can’t imagine it wouldn’t blow off the road if you tried though.

That must be theoretical ... and in a theoretical vacuum. I have had several vehicles with far better power-to-weight ratios and better aerodynamics that couldn’t hit 150 on their best day. Although I never had any of them out to Bonneville. There are just some laws of physics you can’t cheat.

Honestly, I couldn’t believe that either. I suppose gearing ratio has something to do with top speed as well. I remember reading that my 263hp Eclipse had a theoretical top end of 150+ because of a tall 5th gear. Maybe the source I read on the Soul was pulling his estimates out of thin air.

Never mind, I went back and looked it up again and they were talking about the Kia Optima. Probably the 3.3L.

Other sources for the Soul turbo indicate around 120.