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fintail

If that had a 383 or 440 (not sure if the latter was available), I bet it could get into triple digits pretty easily anyway.

When I was young, my dad had an S-10 Blazer and a Grand Caravan, and my mom had a Tempo and Taurus, so I couldn't get too crazy - although I can say a Taurus can hit 100 without much work

But my real speeding has been in Germany, where it isn't actually speeding.

oldfarmer50 said:

A kid speeding in dad’s car? I hate to admit that I was that kid at 16 (not the dui part though). I put dad’s ‘66 Dodge Polara station wagon through it’s paces.

andres3

tjc78 said:

roadburner said:

dino001 said:

roadburner said:

Methinks iluv left because we all wouldn't admit that an Altima is the pinnacle of automotive excellence.

I think it was Sentra, not Altima. I think it was our "tough crowd" assessment on general his financials when he wanted to buy a new-used car. All I remember he first fed us all these links one, after another, after another for something like six months, then it came up he had no money to buy one anyway. It was exhausting, I also remember his thin-skinned responses. Or am I misremembering it?

You are correct. I get mixed up by the plethora of memorable Nissan vehicles...

Ha ha... you’ve been on roll lately.

If you ever commit a crime I think your sentence should be a month in a base model Sentra or Corolla.

The Versa is much worse. Much MUCH worse! If the punishment for speeding was a month in a Versa, I'd probably find a way to drive 10 under.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

fintail said:

Another speeder incident - I suppose I can believe that one, as the vehicle should have some power, and roads in that area can be fairly straight and empty

A kid speeding in dad’s car? I hate to admit that I was that kid at 16 (not the dui part though). I put dad’s ‘66 Dodge Polara station wagon through it’s paces.

I used to drag race my mothers 1958 Hillman Californian against a friends 1962 Hillman Minx.

Top speed was probably 65 mph.

andres3

fintail said:

Another speeder incident - I suppose I can believe that one, as the vehicle should have some power, and roads in that area can be fairly straight and empty

https://komonews.com/news/local/you-could-die-reckless-drivers-wreak-havoc-as-shutdown-empties-streets

This article posts videos of cars doing relatively low speed burnouts, then turns the writing towards "the real problem is those damn speeders" that could kill someone.

The last video appears to be @abacomike new Mercedes, or at least how his new Mercedes got its first couple miles on the odometer before being shipped to FL

andres3

fintail said:

I certainly wouldn't want the average Murkan driver (or car) to go those speeds. But at the same time, I often wish for limits maybe evolved past when my grandpa was driving an oversprung underbraked barge with no safety features at all, on a road surrounded by similar cars.

However, I expect speed limit evolution just about as soon as licensing standards match developed countries. I think finally ending the moronic 55 legislation was the last time we'll see progress on that front.

driver100 said:

There is the best idea....if you want to drive 130 then move to Germany.

I'm afraid you are correct. There is a lot of opposition, including those that would prefer we go to 55 MPH max limits, 20 in the City, and 15 in School Zones; mostly from the zero vision crowd.

You get low IQ articles from guys with PHD's apparently, like this:
https://www.minnpost.com/cityscape/2020/05/traffic-down-fatalities-up-speeding-is-everywhere-across-the-state-right-now/

Never mind the cherry-picking of incredibly isolated low sample size data, the commentators bring a lot more intellect and thought to the discussion than the article itself. For instance, I never thought of this angle, but it seems way more accurate and realistic than the article itself:

"SUBMITTED BY PAUL UDSTRAND ON 05/09/2020 - 10:28 AM.
Thanks for the link Mr. Lindeke.

I hate to say it but if you look at this data pretty much tells us we don’t have anything to discuss. The “increases” in fatalities this year are almost exactly the same (in fact a little lower) as those seen last year at this time.

This year: “There were 20 fatal crashes in April, compared with 17 last year.There were 21 fatalities in March, compared with 18 last year.”

Last year: “There were 22 fatal crashes in March compared with 17 last year. There were 23 fatalities in March compared with 18 last year.”

The discussion here is probably organized around the statistical fallacy that associates correlation with causation… i.e increased fatalities must have been the result of increased traffic or cars on the road in the first place. The expectation that fewer cars on the road would lead to fewer fatalities was/is probably a flawed statistical assumption.

More than likely fatal crashes are simply caused by reckless drivers who are driving around no matter how many other cars on the road with them. These drivers may be just as likely to crash their cars regardless of congestion. We may have hit a plateau of sorts regarding safety design wherein the seat belts, air bags, safety glass, ABS brakes, frame designs, etc. that have been decreasing fatalities for decades have reached the outer boundaries of their ability to limit injury and fatality. The remaining reckless drivers are just crashing their cars at such high speeds that the design can’t save them. In fact, these drivers may be driving even more recklessly under the assumption that their cars will protect if they DO crash. You may decrease the over-all number of cars on the roads, but as long as THESE drivers are still driving, they’re going to have fatal crashes."

Funny how an article that reports rates and figures and numbers is very short on all of those things.

Michaell

tjc78 said:

We’ve been taking advantage of the home by the shore and decent (still cool) weather and have been taking walks on the beach.

Here is our dog Frankie loving it



That’s Atlantic City in the background, right hand side of pic.

So, pretty close to Margate?

My dad's cousin and his wife owned a condo in Margate - right next to the beach. Was able to spend the night there with my first wife and my newborn son. He turns 31 in a month, so that tells you how long ago that was...

fintail

Great pic, amazing how you found a Californian right beside a Minx. I've always liked the Minx and Husky.

driver100 said:

I used to drag race my mothers 1958 Hillman Californian against a friends 1962 Hillman Minx.

Top speed was probably 65 mph.

28firefighter

Michaell said:

tjc78 said:

We’ve been taking advantage of the home by the shore and decent (still cool) weather and have been taking walks on the beach.

Here is our dog Frankie loving it



That’s Atlantic City in the background, right hand side of pic.

So, pretty close to Margate?

My dad's cousin and his wife owned a condo in Margate - right next to the beach. Was able to spend the night there with my first wife and my newborn son. He turns 31 in a month, so that tells you how long ago that was...

My grandparents had a condo in Margate as well, right on the beach. South Adams and Atlantic. We used to make day trips to the shore because it wasn't really big enough to house our family of 5.

fintail

The Zero Vision (great name) crowd is a force here, too. They succeeded in lowering several 30 limits here to 25, along with the implementation of some questionable bike lanes. IMO what is really needed here is enforcement of green signaled crosswalks, which have resulted in numerous casualties - but that is rare at best.

You know the 3 types of lies, and one of them is statistics

andres3 said:

I'm afraid you are correct. There is a lot of opposition, including those that would prefer we go to 55 MPH max limits, 20 in the City, and 15 in School Zones; mostly from the zero vision crowd.

You get low IQ articles from guys with PHD's apparently, like this:

abacomike

sda said:

What, if any options is lacking on Mike’s E? Looks like it has everything. It still surprises me that leather is an option on a $60k+ car. I think it’s a big plus it has all season tires. They will last longer than summer tires and can be driven when temps get cold. Beautiful car.

It doesn't have massaging seats, wood/leather steering wheel, power rear sunshade, heads-up display, and it isn't the exterior or interior color I would have preferred. But at these selling prices, I am not complaining. 10% off MSRP + $4250 off MSRP for incentives and fleet discounts, not to mention 90 first payment deferral and 0% interest.

I am quite happy with the deal and the car.👍🤙😛😜🤪🤓😇

roadburner

Vision Zero is the pet project of car-hating eco-weenies and safety zealots.

carnaught

oldfarmer50 said:

carnaught said:

Speaking of weather, does anyone remember a frequent poster on these boards who is a meteorologist? His mother smuggled the children out of Albania in the 50’s or 60’s and he wrote a book about it. I think he resides in Kansas City? Was his Edmund’s name Cyclone?

Where is he, Marco, iluv, isell and others?

Do you mean mako1a? He passed away several years ago. Iluv left because people were teasing him about a never ending search for a Sentra. Isellhondas may have left because someone called him IsellKias.🤯

No. I was referring to the person, Cyclone.

venture

tjc78 said:

We’ve been taking advantage of the home by the shore and decent (still cool) weather and have been taking walks on the beach.

Here is our dog Frankie loving it



That’s Atlantic City in the background, right hand side of pic.

My sons dog, Frankie, having an "eyeball to eyeball" with my grandson.

stickguy

car magazines like Car and Driver usually list speed in gears, and when they can't reach redline, what the reason is. Could be limiter, and without one usually list as "drag limited." Meaning the poor thing just can't push any more air out of the way.

I don't know how fast it actually got up to, but I do know that a 1980 Omni 4 speed will, on a slight downhill highway stretch, will in fact peg the speedo past the 85 mark and down to the peg. Don't ask me how I know, and don't tell my father if you see him.

dino001

venture said:

My sons dog, Frankie, having an "eyeball to eyeball" with my grandson.

So what is the dog thinking here? Yum?

tjc78

Couple a towns away from Margate. We were in Sea Isle City.

tjc78

venture said:

tjc78 said:

We’ve been taking advantage of the home by the shore and decent (still cool) weather and have been taking walks on the beach.

Here is our dog Frankie loving it



That’s Atlantic City in the background, right hand side of pic.

My sons dog, Frankie, having an "eyeball to eyeball" with my grandson.

Just a “bit” bigger than our Frankie.

graphicguy

oldfarmer50 said:

fintail said:

Another speeder incident - I suppose I can believe that one, as the vehicle should have some power, and roads in that area can be fairly straight and empty

A kid speeding in dad’s car? I hate to admit that I was that kid at 16 (not the dui part though). I put dad’s ‘66 Dodge Polara station wagon through it’s paces.

I love looking at ‘50s-‘60s era cars. Styling was so unique and expressive, even between different models within the same brand.

sda

abacomike said:

sda said:

What, if any options is lacking on Mike’s E? Looks like it has everything. It still surprises me that leather is an option on a $60k+ car. I think it’s a big plus it has all season tires. They will last longer than summer tires and can be driven when temps get cold. Beautiful car.

It doesn't have massaging seats, wood/leather steering wheel, power rear sunshade, heads-up display, and it isn't the exterior or interior color I would have preferred. But at these selling prices, I am not complaining. 10% off MSRP + $4250 off MSRP for incentives and fleet discounts, not to mention 90 first payment deferral and 0% interest.

I am quite happy with the deal and the car.👍🤙😛😜🤪🤓😇

I doubt you’ll miss those options. Very nice as it is. Now that you’ve put a few miles on it, comments to what you like and perhaps not about the E compared to the S? Buyers remorse not allowed.

omarman

carnaught said:

oldfarmer50 said:

carnaught said:

Speaking of weather, does anyone remember a frequent poster on these boards who is a meteorologist? His mother smuggled the children out of Albania in the 50’s or 60’s and he wrote a book about it. I think he resides in Kansas City? Was his Edmund’s name Cyclone?

Where is he, Marco, iluv, isell and others?

Do you mean mako1a? He passed away several years ago. Iluv left because people were teasing him about a never ending search for a Sentra. Isellhondas may have left because someone called him IsellKias.🤯

No. I was referring to the person, Cyclone.

I've never read it but just checked Amazon and his book is still available. From Hell To Iowa

fintail

I recall seeing the needle pegged on my dad's Horizon too - he drove the doors off that thing, and it kept going without complaint. "Peppy" for their time, I believe.

stickguy said:

I don't know how fast it actually got up to, but I do know that a 1980 Omni 4 speed will, on a slight downhill highway stretch, will in fact peg the speedo past the 85 mark and down to the peg. Don't ask me how I know, and don't tell my father if you see him.

fintail

You have the matte wood, right? I believe the wood wheel isn't available with matte wood, so technically you aren't lacking that

I'll be interested to see how you like it as well, as I am driving effectively the same car, just with a longer roof.

abacomike said:

It doesn't have massaging seats, wood/leather steering wheel, power rear sunshade, heads-up display, and it isn't the exterior or interior color I would have preferred. But at these selling prices, I am not complaining. 10% off MSRP + $4250 off MSRP for incentives and fleet discounts, not to mention 90 first payment deferral and 0% interest.

I am quite happy with the deal and the car.👍🤙😛😜🤪🤓😇

abacomike

sda said:

abacomike said:

sda said:

What, if any options is lacking on Mike’s E? Looks like it has everything. It still surprises me that leather is an option on a $60k+ car. I think it’s a big plus it has all season tires. They will last longer than summer tires and can be driven when temps get cold. Beautiful car.

It doesn't have massaging seats, wood/leather steering wheel, power rear sunshade, heads-up display, and it isn't the exterior or interior color I would have preferred. But at these selling prices, I am not complaining. 10% off MSRP + $4250 off MSRP for incentives and fleet discounts, not to mention 90 first payment deferral and 0% interest.

I am quite happy with the deal and the car.👍🤙😛😜🤪🤓😇

I doubt you’ll miss those options. Very nice as it is. Now that you’ve put a few miles on it, comments to what you like and perhaps not about the E compared to the S? Buyers remorse not allowed.

First of all, I really can't compare the E450 with the S450! The S450 was a superior vehicle in every way except for handling. The E450 handles like a sports car and responds more quickly to acceleration due to the AWD and the fact that it is 400 pounds lighter with the identical engine. Even though the E is equipped almost identically to the S, the S was more comfortable to sit in and wider and higher. But, remember the S MSRP's for $37,000+ more than the E.

I have no remorse whatsoever - I got exactly what I expected in the E450 - luxury and sport in an interior that reeks of technologically advanced systems and refinements.

The E450 responds to the slightest pressure on the accelerator or the steering wheel. It brakes faster with less effort on the brake pedal. It corners aggressively and on the highway it has the spirit of a stallion. The engine purrs with a throaty sound emitted through the dual exhausts.

The interior is sporty but has plush seats, plush sides and plush carpeting. The advanced Voice Command Control System responds to almost ever verbal command which was not the case in the S450. i.e., "display fuel economy", "display audio source", "display tire pressure", "display contacts", "display equalizer", "display ventilation settings", etc.

The main display screen displays routing maps in GPS mode that are wider and more detailed. Once I command "set destination", everything is done verbally to begin route guidance.

In conclusion, the S450 was a gem of a car while the E450 4MATIC is a delight to drive because it is a driver's car! 🤓😋

abacomike

fintail said:

I recall seeing the needle pegged on my dad's Horizon too - he drove the doors off that thing, and it kept going without complaint. "Peppy" for their time, I believe.

stickguy said:

I don't know how fast it actually got up to, but I do know that a 1980 Omni 4 speed will, on a slight downhill highway stretch, will in fact peg the speedo past the 85 mark and down to the peg. Don't ask me how I know, and don't tell my father if you see him.

Yes, black wood with matte finish and it is textured - when you touch the wood, you can feel the grain of the wood. It won't show scratches as easily as the other glossy wood.

fintail

AFAIK, the matte wood isn't available on a steering wheel, at least it wasn't for a long time.

My past 2 cars have had the matte wood, both brown - I greatly prefer it for the reason you mention, no scratches and it looks more real.

abacomike said:

Yes, black wood with matte finish and it is textured - when you touch the wood, you can feel the grain of the wood. It won't show scratches as easily as the other glossy wood.

abacomike

Boca Raton Town Center Mall opened this morning at 11:00 AM. Stores and restaurants will be opening sporadically as employees return. Masks are required and social distancing is strictly enforced. I probably will go up there to start walking this week.

Broward County (I live in far northern Broward) is opening up in phase 1 this coming Monday. I just pray that with masks and social distancing and hand washing that the virus can be contained sufficiently.

oldfarmer50

fintail said:

If that had a 383 or 440 (not sure if the latter was available), I bet it could get into triple digits pretty easily anyway.

When I was young, my dad had an S-10 Blazer and a Grand Caravan, and my mom had a Tempo and Taurus, so I couldn't get too crazy - although I can say a Taurus can hit 100 without much work

But my real speeding has been in Germany, where it isn't actually speeding.

oldfarmer50 said:

A kid speeding in dad’s car? I hate to admit that I was that kid at 16 (not the dui part though). I put dad’s ‘66 Dodge Polara station wagon through it’s paces.

It had a 383 with a stingy 2 barrel but it could get up to 100....eventually.

imidazol97

fintail said:

Sounds better than WA, where sitting in the left lane is an art form, especially on some of the secondary but still key roads (167 is especially good for this).

Driver's ed here is now completely privatized from beginning to test - the state only issues the physical license. Not sure if that bodes well or not, seems to open some doors for malfeasance.

imidazol97 said:

Long ago, when we started driving into Michigan to go to a huge shopping outlet, I noticed that on 2-lane interstates Michiganders would speed up in the passing lane to complete their pass in a reasonable time. None of this I've got my cruise control on 67 and I'm going faster than the two semis in the right lane going 65.

They must have had much better driver ed there as well. They rarely would block in someone in the right lane on a two-lane highway or interstate, especially if the person in the right lane put their turn signal on to merge into the left.

Share the road.

The same driver awareness on the part of Michiganders was something I'd seen driving I75 to Pigeon Forge and to Ashville/Charleston. If they're passing in left lane and someone comes up behind them, they scoot on around no matter what the terminal velocity is, all within reason.

However, I recall the Ontario Oldsmobile that didn't like my driving in the left lane of 2 at 10 over in medium vacation period traffic. Nasty. Cut me off after passing by swerving in. I guess he thought he had a long way to go to get back home so everyone else should make way for him. Olds Ciera. That's why Kentucky now having almost all 3 lanes for I75 is a blessing. They have maybe 20-30 miles left to widen IIRC the last trip we made.

imidazol97

fintail said:

You know the 3 types of lies, and one of them is statistics

Statistics--X2

imidazol97

Called the barbershop with 4 barber/stylists and they now had a recording on phone by the owner that he would take his schedule book home and gave his phone number to call. My lady barber didn't seem to be included. Nor were the other two that do ladies hair only.

I looked her up on facebook and sent a message. Got a response that she had already reserved a Friday appt for me already and was hoping I'd contact her or call early on Friday when they're allow to open after all this kerfluffle.

Then he kid called that his air conditioning on the Cruze didn't seem to be working. I went over. No radiator fan. No AC compressor clutch. Probably lost freon? So I'll take it to dealer to have refilled properly and checked for why it lose freon. Or if it's another problem, it's under extended warranty.

Then kid sent a home listing that he had mentioned they had looked at yesterday after deciding they can't build a house by specialty builder fast enough and started looking at existing homes (I'd said that from beginning...LOL).

Sent pictures of all brick home with basement, gas heat, already fenced yard for the Wheaton Terrier. I hope they decide to bid on it. They shouldn't have any trouble with loan needed. If not, there are other houses, just like with buying a used car. Property taxes are NJ/New York level in that desirable area. No earnings taxes is the payoff.

But this would be a nice starter home for them with 4 bedrooms, unfinished basement. Seller is military, so motivated apparently.

stickguy

NJ level? that is hard to believe!

qbrozen

imidazol97 said:

fintail said:

You know the 3 types of lies, and one of them is statistics

Statistics--X2

9 out of 10 dentists agree with you.

qbrozen

stickguy said:

I don't know how fast it actually got up to, but I do know that a 1980 Omni 4 speed will, on a slight downhill highway stretch, will in fact peg the speedo past the 85 mark and down to the peg. Don't ask me how I know, and don't tell my father if you see him.

Did that in my Zephyr on I95 all the way from Baltimore to the NJ border, only slowing for tolls. Thought the needle was going to break.

My sister’s Chevette, on the other hand, couldn’t break 80 on a downhill no matter how hard we tried.

fintail

My grandpa had a 65 Chrysler with a 383 - this was a ways before my time of course Apparently it was a very good car and he was fond of it. It was replaced another Chrysler around 1971-72 I think, another 383, that according to my uncle wasn't as reliable, with numerous hard/no starting episodes. His last Chrysler, IIRC.

oldfarmer50 said:

It had a 383 with a stingy 2 barrel but it could get up to 100....eventually.

fintail

I generally see better lane discipline in areas with less population density here, especially when east of the mountains - but there can be obliviousness anywhere.

You were passing while in that left lane, yes?

imidazol97 said:

The same driver awareness on the part of Michiganders was something I'd seen driving I75 to Pigeon Forge and to Ashville/Charleston. If they're passing in left lane and someone comes up behind them, they scoot on around no matter what the terminal velocity is, all within reason.

However, I recall the Ontario Oldsmobile that didn't like my driving in the left lane of 2 at 10 over in medium vacation period traffic. Nasty. Cut me off after passing by swerving in. I guess he thought he had a long way to go to get back home so everyone else should make way for him. Olds Ciera. That's why Kentucky now having almost all 3 lanes for I75 is a blessing. They have maybe 20-30 miles left to widen IIRC the last trip we made.

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

That 191 MPH maniac has a greater chance of killing you rear-ending you at your "speed limit or just above driving" than they do rear-ending the other speed maniac going 155 MPH, whereby the collision force is only 36 MPH.

don't be to sure about that, sure that 191 mph car hits the 155 mph car at a speed of 36 mph relative to the 155 mph car, but that car is still going 155 mph. A 3k to 4k pound car doing 155 mph has a lot of kinetic energy stored up in it that will have to be released in the accident. It's not the same as hitting a stationary car at 36 mph.

snakeweasel

imidazol97 said:

fintail said:

That's a good point. Funny how "sharing the road" and similar is usually a one way street. If someone is pretending to complete a pass and has 10 cars backed up behind them, they are doing it wrong.

andres3 said:

The patience has to go both ways. Too many times have I seen someone cut off traffic in the passing lane and dawdle to make an extremely slow pass (and I'm not talking big semi-trucks either), and by the time the pass is completed, the passing lane has 1 mile or more of clear road ahead of it when they finally move right.

Long ago, when we started driving into Michigan to go to a huge shopping outlet, I noticed that on 2-lane interstates Michiganders would speed up in the passing lane to complete their pass in a reasonable time. None of this I've got my cruise control on 67 and I'm going faster than the two semis in the right lane going 65.

They must have had much better driver ed there as well. They rarely would block in someone in the right lane on a two-lane highway or interstate, especially if the person in the right lane put their turn signal on to merge into the left.

Share the road.

Your experience in Michigan is different than my experience in Michigan. Is your Michigan surrounded by very big lakes?

snakeweasel

qbrozen said:

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:

A Soul can’t hit 120. And the paper publishing another driver’s estimate is very poor “reporting,” IMHO.

Depends. Late model 1.6L turbo models have an estimated top speed of 152. Can’t imagine it wouldn’t blow off the road if you tried though.

That must be theoretical ... and in a theoretical vacuum. I have had several vehicles with far better power-to-weight ratios and better aerodynamics that couldn’t hit 150 on their best day. Although I never had any of them out to Bonneville. There are just some laws of physics you can’t cheat.

Nope it can hit 152, throw one out of an airplane and see.

snakeweasel

stickguy said:

car magazines like Car and Driver usually list speed in gears, and when they can't reach redline, what the reason is. Could be limiter, and without one usually list as "drag limited." Meaning the poor thing just can't push any more air out of the way.

I don't know how fast it actually got up to, but I do know that a 1980 Omni 4 speed will, on a slight downhill highway stretch, will in fact peg the speedo past the 85 mark and down to the peg. Don't ask me how I know, and don't tell my father if you see him.

I got my Omni up well past the 85 mph mark once on a downhill stretch of a back country road.

sb55

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I saw this car yesterday. Toyota Sera. What's a Japanese only model with right hand drive and scissor doors doing in Vermont? It had Vermont plates, so it must live here.

oldfarmer50

fintail said:

The Zero Vision (great name) crowd is a force here, too. They succeeded in lowering several 30 limits here to 25, along with the implementation of some questionable bike lanes. IMO what is really needed here is enforcement of green signaled crosswalks, which have resulted in numerous casualties - but that is rare at best.

You know the 3 types of lies, and one of them is statistics

andres3 said:

I'm afraid you are correct. There is a lot of opposition, including those that would prefer we go to 55 MPH max limits, 20 in the City, and 15 in School Zones; mostly from the zero vision crowd.

You get low IQ articles from guys with PHD's apparently, like this:

In a small city near me a 4 lane interstate continues into town. They reduced the speed limit from 55 to 40 at the city line which was reasonable considering the intersections and stop lights.

Well, one night some drunken teenagers ran into traffic because they couldn’t wait for the signal with tragic results. An outcry arose to “do something” and the result was to tear up 3 miles of arrow straight interstate, repave it with twists and curves, reduce the speed limit to 30 and put in numerous speed bumps. Yes, speed bumps on an Interstate.

After spending $16 million on the project another bunch of teenagers got themselves run over down the road crossing the 55 mph section in the dark.

Somehow I don’t think the problem was speed.

imidazol97

fintail said:

You were passing while in that left lane, yes?

This was traffic heading back to Michigan, Indiana, Ohio and parts north at the end of an Easter break vacation period. Me and the 30 other cars ahead of me that I could see in the left lane of two lanes. This is a hilly area of Kentucky. The right lane has campers, semis, slower vehicles. I don't recall the speed limit at the time, but let's say 52 was the average speed in the right lane. Speeds in the right lane go up and do down depending on the vehicles there and the upgrade percent.

I was in the left lane where speeds were from 75 to 60 depending on the terrain. No one was driving as if it were open road. If someone was behind another car in the left lane, they could pass in the right lane. But most people just followed the cars in front at a safe distance in the left lane.

This is not a case of the LLC affecting the LLD's ability to DLH. LOL

ronsteve

oldfarmer50 said:

In a small city near me a 4 lane interstate continues into town. They reduced the speed limit from 55 to 40 at the city line which was reasonable considering the intersections and stop lights.

Well, one night some drunken teenagers ran into traffic because they couldn’t wait for the signal with tragic results. An outcry arose to “do something” and the result was to tear up 3 miles of arrow straight interstate, repave it with twists and curves, reduce the speed limit to 30 and put in numerous speed bumps. Yes, speed bumps on an Interstate.

After spending $16 million on the project another bunch of teenagers got themselves run over down the road crossing the 55 mph section in the dark.

Somehow I don’t think the problem was speed.

If it goes to 40 mph with intersections and stoplights, I would submit that it's already not an Interstate at that point.

dino001

andres3 said:

That 191 MPH maniac has a greater chance of killing you rear-ending you at your "speed limit or just above driving" than they do rear-ending the other speed maniac going 155 MPH, whereby the collision force is only 36 MPH.

Just pure junk science. Primary collision force is not the only factor influencing its outcome. Vehicles going 155 mph and 180 can just barely touch each other their motion will become too unstable to handle, most likely killing both drivers in the aftermath, just watch some races from the past. Cars are complex systems of multiple connected masses with links of different stiffnesses, as such have mutlple degrees of freedom, so when forward speed is changed, each of those DOFs will respond differently when an additional upsetting factor is introduced (such as "little bump" from behind).

driver100

andres3"
That 191 MPH maniac has a greater chance of killing you rear-ending you at your "speed limit or just above driving" than they do rear-ending the other speed maniac going 155 MPH, whereby the collision force is only 36 MPH.

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Dino; Just pure junk science. Primary collision force is not the only factor influencing its outcome. Vehicles going 155 mph and 180 can just barely touch each other their motion will become too unstable to handle, most likely killing both drivers in the aftermath, just watch some races from the past. Cars are complex systems of multiple connected masses with links of different stiffnesses, as such have mutlple degrees of freedom, so when forward speed is changes, each of those DOFs will respond differently when an additional upsetting factor is introduced (such as "little bump" from behind).

Snake; don't be to sure about that, sure that 191 mph car hits the 155 mph car at a speed of 36 mph relative to the 155 mph car, but that car is still going 155 mph. A 3k to 4k pound car doing 155 mph has a lot of kinetic energy stored up in it that will have to be released in the accident. It's not the same as hitting a stationary car at 36 mph.

Dino & Snake great reply to the quote hi-lited above Reminded me of this:

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible IF you don't know what you are talking about.

suydam

Isn’t somebody buying a new dishwasher or renovating a deck? Anybody?

snakeweasel

suydam said:

Isn’t somebody buying a new dishwasher or renovating a deck? Anybody?

We are redoing our patio.

ab348

Maybe it would look better if it wasn't so cluttered.

stickguy

I think the road behind you is flooded. Better be careful driving.

28firefighter

We're tearing up our backyard soon. Will be putting in 375 sq feet of patio pavers, 375 sq feet of turf, and and a new retaining wall to border the back and sides. It is a small yard.