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oldfarmer50

benjaminh said:

Cubans kept American cars from the 1950s going for decades. Some might consider keeping their last ice cars going for a long time.

That’s my plan.

fintail

Infotainment will fail before the engines on many modern cars, I suspect.

In Cuba, many of those oldies have Lada or Nissan engines, it'll be interesting if engine swaps become more common too.

benjaminh said:

Cubans kept American cars from the 1950s going for decades. Some might consider keeping their last ice cars going for a long time.

stickguy

one good thing about the move to software based stuff. Easier to update and replace. Like buying a new TV!

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

@driver100 said:

But you gotta have something worth flipping

btw, a black Altima passed me today, and I thought, I know why that young lady went over to JMonroe when he was driving the Altima..........she felt sorry for him!

That wasn’t the look I got.

jmonroe

Once when I pulled up to a grocery store a pretty young lady with purple hair came over and said what a beautiful car I had, and I must have really good taste and be such a great person...........I don't think she was really just complimenting my car. Maybe that was the same in your case.

snakeweasel

stickguy said:

IMO real EV acceptance requires a new breakthrough battery technology. One that doesn’t use so many rare (earth or otherwise) and dangerous materials. So easier, cheaper and cleaner to make, and recycle.

And of course more range and/or super fast recharging.

How about a 5,000 mile range?

driver100

@tjc78 Nice home but I’d have to redo every room. Way too much honey colored wood for my tastes.

Great home, paint all the wood white.
The washer/dryer is odd, old side by side, new stacking models.....weird, I'd like to know the story behind that.

driver100

kyfdx said:

EV acceptance happens when those are the only cars available.

Don't believe it?
When will people pay over MSRP for vehicles? When that is the only price available.
It's happening right now. We have dozens of new members asking if $1500 over MSRP is a good deal.

It doesn't matter what YOU will do. The vast majority of buyers will take whatever is available.

I don't NEED a car right now....so I have no motivation to buy a car and pay top dollar.
If I NEEDED a car I'd have to bite the bullet if EVs were my only choice.
If Volvo and Ford etc go all electric we may have to buy one if we NEED a car.
They can get rid of all old gassers by regulating pollution rules.
Maybe some companies like Mitsu will keep making gassers.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

stickguy said:

IMO real EV acceptance requires a new breakthrough battery technology. One that doesn’t use so many rare (earth or otherwise) and dangerous materials. So easier, cheaper and cleaner to make, and recycle.

And of course more range and/or super fast recharging.

How about a 5,000 mile range?

Just what I need, a car that is a block long with no trunk that carries 2 people and probably a top speed of 60 mph without the a/c going!

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

stickguy said:

IMO real EV acceptance requires a new breakthrough battery technology. One that doesn’t use so many rare (earth or otherwise) and dangerous materials. So easier, cheaper and cleaner to make, and recycle.

And of course more range and/or super fast recharging.

How about a 5,000 mile range?

Just what I need, a car that is a block long with no trunk that carries 2 people and probably a top speed of 60 mph without the a/c going!

Good it's perfect for you, I'll let Ford know you'll buy the first one.

ronsteve

@kyfdx said:
EV acceptance happens when those are the only cars available.

Don't believe it?
When will people pay over MSRP for vehicles? When that is the only price available.
It's happening right now. We have dozens of new members asking if $1500 over MSRP is a good deal.

It doesn't matter what YOU will do. The vast majority of buyers will take whatever is available.

Case in point: automatic vs manual transmissions

snakeweasel

ronsteve said:

@kyfdx said:

EV acceptance happens when those are the only cars available.

Don't believe it?

When will people pay over MSRP for vehicles? When that is the only price available.

It's happening right now. We have dozens of new members asking if $1500 over MSRP is a good deal.

It doesn't matter what YOU will do. The vast majority of buyers will take whatever is available.

Case in point: automatic vs manual transmissions

Ah, a chicken vs egg question.

cdnpinhead

oldfarmer50 said:

I’m trying to figure the sense of entitlement in this guy.

It's a fool's mission - quit trying. This is the world we have to live in these days.

bwia

The search for meaning has taken me to this undisclosed idyllic swimming hole somewhere in the Caribbean. Jump in, and oh, what a way to start or end the day.

kyfdx

benjaminh said:

Cubans kept American cars from the 1950s going for decades. Some might consider keeping their last ice cars going for a long time.

A lot of those vehicles had Russian/European diesel drivetrains by the '80s.

driver100

@bwia Hope there aren't any piranhas.

benjaminh

kyfdx said:

benjaminh said:

Cubans kept American cars from the 1950s going for decades. Some might consider keeping their last ice cars going for a long time.

A lot of those vehicles had Russian/European diesel drivetrains by the '80s.

Sure. But of course that also means some of those American cars from the late 50s went until the early 80s on their original engines.

With meticulous maintenance and good luck a 2022 model year ice vehicle might last until 2040 or so. And several ice vehicles will still be sold in 2030, which will push things back to 2050 or so. At some point it looks like people won't get a choice, but since I'm in my late 50s if I choose to I think I can still drive a gas car for the rest of my life. If some EV issues are solved—like cost, range, battery longevity, charging availability, battery recycling, and service availability, I might jump on the EV bandwagon. I do think EV's are better for the environment overall, but it's not as big a difference as some might think. There are significant environmental costs involved in getting all the raw materials needed for EV batteries.

kyfdx

benjaminh said:

kyfdx said:

benjaminh said:

Cubans kept American cars from the 1950s going for decades. Some might consider keeping their last ice cars going for a long time.

A lot of those vehicles had Russian/European diesel drivetrains by the '80s.

Sure. But of course that also means some of those American cars from the late 50s went until the early 80s on their original engines.

With meticulous maintenance and good luck a 2022 model year ice vehicle might last until 2040 or so. And several ice vehicles will still be sold in 2030, which will push things back to 2050 or so. At some point it looks like people won't get a choice, but since I'm in my late 50s if I choose to I think I can still drive a gas car for the rest of my life. If some EV issues are solved—like cost, range, battery longevity, charging availability, battery recycling, and service availability, I might jump on the EV bandwagon. I do think EV's are better for the environment overall, but it's not as big a difference as some might think. There are significant environmental costs involved in getting all the raw materials needed for EV batteries.

I really think most people will give up on ICE, rather than keep driving a 15 year old car. You may be the exception, but I doubt it.

bwia

@driver100 said:
@bwia Hope there aren't any piranhas.

Yes there pirhanas but they have good dental habits.

snakeweasel

benjaminh said:

kyfdx said:

benjaminh said:

Cubans kept American cars from the 1950s going for decades. Some might consider keeping their last ice cars going for a long time.

A lot of those vehicles had Russian/European diesel drivetrains by the '80s.

Sure. But of course that also means some of those American cars from the late 50s went until the early 80s on their original engines.

With meticulous maintenance and good luck a 2022 model year ice vehicle might last until 2040 or so. And several ice vehicles will still be sold in 2030, which will push things back to 2050 or so. At some point it looks like people won't get a choice, but since I'm in my late 50s if I choose to I think I can still drive a gas car for the rest of my life. If some EV issues are solved—like cost, range, battery longevity, charging availability, battery recycling, and service availability, I might jump on the EV bandwagon. I do think EV's are better for the environment overall, but it's not as big a difference as some might think. There are significant environmental costs involved in getting all the raw materials needed for EV batteries.

Most decent cars if well maintained could hit the 200K mark easily. That would mean over 16 years of driving if you're on the low end of the average yearly driving for the U.S.

snakeweasel

kyfdx said:

benjaminh said:

kyfdx said:

benjaminh said:

Cubans kept American cars from the 1950s going for decades. Some might consider keeping their last ice cars going for a long time.

A lot of those vehicles had Russian/European diesel drivetrains by the '80s.

Sure. But of course that also means some of those American cars from the late 50s went until the early 80s on their original engines.

With meticulous maintenance and good luck a 2022 model year ice vehicle might last until 2040 or so. And several ice vehicles will still be sold in 2030, which will push things back to 2050 or so. At some point it looks like people won't get a choice, but since I'm in my late 50s if I choose to I think I can still drive a gas car for the rest of my life. If some EV issues are solved—like cost, range, battery longevity, charging availability, battery recycling, and service availability, I might jump on the EV bandwagon. I do think EV's are better for the environment overall, but it's not as big a difference as some might think. There are significant environmental costs involved in getting all the raw materials needed for EV batteries.

I really think most people will give up on ICE, rather than keep driving a 15 year old car. You may be the exception, but I doubt it.

I read somewhere that the average length of ownership of a new car is a bit under 8.5 years. That means for everyone who trades in after three years to get the newest and greatest car there is someone keeping their car for almost 14 years. I would guess that there are a lot of original owners who push past that ten year mark and it likely increase once the only option for a new car would be $50K or more EV's.

stickguy

Probably 10, if you just take out Breld.

jmonroe1

@bwia said:

@driver100 said:
@bwia Hope there aren't any piranhas.

Yes there pirhanas but they have good dental habits.

I don’t know why that guy is so worried. Canadian meat ain’t exactly rated prime.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

jmonroe1 said:

@bwia said:

@driver100 said:
@bwia Hope there aren't any piranhas.

Yes there pirhanas but they have good dental habits.

I don’t know why that guy is so worried. Canadian meat ain’t exactly rated prime.

jmonroe

Canadian meat? Brings a whole new meaning to the term cold cuts.

Michaell

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe1 said:

@bwia said:

@driver100 said:
@bwia Hope there aren't any piranhas.

Yes there pirhanas but they have good dental habits.

I don’t know why that guy is so worried. Canadian meat ain’t exactly rated prime.

jmonroe

Canadian meat? Brings a whole new meaning to the term cold cuts.

When I was in college, a friend of mine worked at the local McDonalds, generally the morning shift.

His name for Canadian Bacon?

"North Pork" or "Oink, eh?"

ab348

jmonroe1 said:

I don’t know why that guy is so worried. Canadian meat ain’t exactly rated prime.

jmonroe

Funny. That's how Canadians feel about US meat.

cdnpinhead

It's called back bacon in Alberta, or was forty years ago.

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

@bwia said:

@driver100 said:
@bwia Hope there aren't any piranhas.

Yes there pirhanas but they have good dental habits.

I don’t know why that guy is so worried. Canadian meat ain’t exactly rated prime.

jmonroe

Actually Canadian Beef has similar ratings to U.S. beef. If there is any difference it probably isn't discernable, and many may prefer Canadian beef.
About back bacon, it has less fat so is healthier, may not have as much taste because fat equals taste.
If you are interested in your health, Canadian bacon has fewer calories and a lot less fat.

American-style bacon comes in between 120-150 calories and 10-12 grams of fat uncooked, while the Canadian style is a mere 30 calories with less than 1 gram of fat! That’s a big difference. In Canada, you always pay extra for Canadian Back Bacon.

[Deleted User]

So the pizza places are lying when they say Canadian bacon is the same as ham???

kyfdx

dad23 said:

So the pizza places are lying when they say Canadian bacon is the same as ham???

No, they aren't lying. Canadian bacon isn't really the same thing as our bacon.

tjc78

@kyfdx said:
No, they aren't lying. Canadian bacon isn't really the same thing as our bacon.

It’s not even close

driver100

dad23 said:

So the pizza places are lying when they say Canadian bacon is the same as ham???

I wouldn't say they are lying. They are trying to describe it as accurately as possible. It can be sliced more like ham, sometimes it is eaten cold, but it is bacon....not as fatty as American style bacon.

What I'd like to know is what do you do with the part of the pig that is made into Canadian Bacon?

driver100

tjc78 said:

@kyfdx said:

No, they aren't lying. Canadian bacon isn't really the same thing as our bacon.

It’s not even close

Just to be clear....I don't think it is fair to say one is better than the other, it is a preference thing. American bacon has a lot more fat, some people like that, and some don't. You always pay more for Canadian bacon and many people will only eat Canadian bacon......let's not discriminate, pigs are pigs

kyfdx

Canadian bacon is great. But, it's a lot closer to ham, than what we call bacon.

qbrozen

I don’t dig on the swine

jmonroe1

@driver100 said:
I wouldn't say they are lying. They are trying to describe it as accurately as possible. It can be sliced more like ham, sometimes it is eaten cold, but it is bacon....not as fatty as American style bacon.

What I'd like to know is what do you do with the part of the pig that is made into Canadian Bacon?

Since you asked…we export the low grade stuff to Canada. Like the man said, “there’s a sucker born every minute”. Given this is a car site, in the car biz, it’s, “there’s a butt for every seat.

jmonroe

cdnpinhead

American-style bacon is cut from pork bellies, which is why the midwestern radio stations keep track of pork belly prices and futures. Canadian-style bacon (or back bacon) comes from higher up on the hog.

venture

If I go to the Ford site and build a Maverick, then click on Search Inventory, it shows 2 Mavericks at one dealer near me and 1 at another dealer a little farther away.

If you go to the dealers web site they show that they don't have any.

stickguy

interesting that I saw a couple of Mavericks show up on Rodo yesterday. Not sure if they actually exist of course if you try to hit the purchase now button.

abacomike

@kyfdx said:
Canadian bacon is great. But, it's a lot closer to ham, than what we call bacon.

My Mom never bought fatty, unhealthy American style bacon to prepare breakfast or a luncheon made with grilled cheese and “bacon”. I didn’t know what American bacon tasted like until I was 12 or 13 when we visited an aunt and uncle in Huntington, Long Islam, New York.

I’ll admit that the American style bacon was tastier and truly delicious. But Mom could not be moved - it was Canadian Bacon or no Bacon at all.

The taste of Canadian Bacon was as good, if not better, than grilled Virginia Ham. But I truly loved grilled Canadian Bacon inserted into a grilled American Cheese sandwich. And the best part is that it is healthier due to the decreased fat. 😜🤪🤓

imidazol97

abacomike said:

The taste of Canadian Bacon was as good, if not better, than grilled Virginia Ham. But I truly loved grilled Canadian Bacon inserted into a grilled American Cheese sandwich. And the best part is that it is healthier due to the decreased fat. 😜🤪🤓

X2

andres3

imidazol97 said:

A study of the self-driving feature of a certain car brand.

https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/20/mit-study-finds-tesla-drivers-become-inattentive-when-autopilot-is-activated/

"A new study from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology lends credence to the idea that the FSD system, which despite its name is not actually an autonomous system but rather an advanced driver assist system (ADAS), may not actually be that safe. Researchers studying glance data from 290 human-initiated Autopilot disengagement epochs found drivers may become inattentive when using partially automated driving systems. "

They really didn't need to pay a bunch of big wigs at MASS Institute of Technology to commission that expensive study, I could have told them the same for a small fee.

explorerx4

Difference is MIT has credibility.

andres3

jmonroe1 said:

@imidazol97 said:

Re: Corvettes

When I was getting one of my recent oil changes, the service manager was telling me about a 2020 Vette they were just getting in on a long delayed order. He called the buyer, whom they know, and he told them not to remove the plastic protectors on the car to deliver it to him--he had already sold it for more than he paid for it and was shipping it on to the buyer.

I guess everyone is a flipper today.

jmonroe

Speaking of flipping, my audiophile grade 4K Bluray Oppo player is apparently worth an asking price of around $7K on Amazon. Bought new for around $1.5K. Not bad if it were sellable at the asking price.

abacomike

Had the epidural procedure this morning. It took them over 3 hours to find a vein for the IV line and access to the anesthesia. 3 anesthesiologists tried along with 5 nurses. I was dehydrated from lack of fluids. Finally one of the anesthesiologists used ultrasound to locate a deep vein and insert a catheter.

The Doctor who performed the procedure said he was able to flush a lot of scar tissue which made it easier to inject the steroids right into the foramen on each side of L3/L4 which will hopefully reduce irritation and swelling. After the procedure I woke up in a lot of pain. They gave me 4 milligrams of morphine to handle the pain.

He said he wants to see me in his office in 2 weeks and that it takes 24-48 hours for the steroids to successfully reduce pain. So far, it has not reduced my inability to walk or sit or stand for more than 5 minutes without horrific pain.

benjaminh

Mike: hope you recover quickly. And I hope this helps.

ab348

abacomike said:

The taste of Canadian Bacon was as good, if not better, than grilled Virginia Ham. But I truly loved grilled Canadian Bacon inserted into a grilled American Cheese sandwich. And the best part is that it is healthier due to the decreased fat. 😜🤪🤓

This is the stuff we used to get for breakfast on special holidays like Christmas when I was a kid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peameal_bacon

oldfarmer50

kyfdx said:

benjaminh said:

kyfdx said:

benjaminh said:

Cubans kept American cars from the 1950s going for decades. Some might consider keeping their last ice cars going for a long time.

A lot of those vehicles had Russian/European diesel drivetrains by the '80s.

Sure. But of course that also means some of those American cars from the late 50s went until the early 80s on their original engines.

With meticulous maintenance and good luck a 2022 model year ice vehicle might last until 2040 or so. And several ice vehicles will still be sold in 2030, which will push things back to 2050 or so. At some point it looks like people won't get a choice, but since I'm in my late 50s if I choose to I think I can still drive a gas car for the rest of my life. If some EV issues are solved—like cost, range, battery longevity, charging availability, battery recycling, and service availability, I might jump on the EV bandwagon. I do think EV's are better for the environment overall, but it's not as big a difference as some might think. There are significant environmental costs involved in getting all the raw materials needed for EV batteries.

I really think most people will give up on ICE, rather than keep driving a 15 year old car. You may be the exception, but I doubt it.

Make that two exceptions.

oldfarmer50

venture said:

If I go to the Ford site and build a Maverick, then click on Search Inventory, it shows 2 Mavericks at one dealer near me and 1 at another dealer a little farther away.

If you go to the dealers web site they show that they don't have any.

I think that means they are in transit. I’ve seen that too, once the dealer orders a unit it’s considered in their inventory.

stickguy

all fine to say people will just buy an EV, but many people have to sell/trade in their current car to get into a new one. so if they can't sell their gasser, how are they gonna afford a new EV? Especially if they are still premium priced?

mjfloyd1

@abacomike said:
Had the epidural procedure this morning. It took them over 3 hours to find a vein for the IV line and access to the anesthesia. 3 anesthesiologists tried along with 5 nurses. I was dehydrated from lack of fluids. Finally one of the anesthesiologists used ultrasound to locate a deep vein and insert a catheter.

The Doctor who performed the procedure said he was able to flush a lot of scar tissue which made it easier to inject the steroids right into the foramen on each side of L3/L4 which will hopefully reduce irritation and swelling. After the procedure I woke up in a lot of pain. They gave me 4 milligrams of morphine to handle the pain.

He said he wants to see me in his office in 2 weeks and that it takes 24-48 hours for the steroids to successfully reduce pain. So far, it has not reduced my inability to walk or sit or stand for more than 5 minutes without horrific pain.

I hope that it helps your pain.

I had to put an IV in a foot today. She stated that she takes hours to wake up and asked for a block and sedation. Block and sedation worked great for a two hour debridement and muscle flap procedure. Poor lady had ovarian cancer and has a follow up CT scan tomorrow.