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tjc78

You can turn it off, just involves going into a menu.

@28firefighter
I’m a glutton for punishment

jmonroe1

tjc78 said:

You can turn it off, just involves going into a menu.

@28firefighter

I’m a glutton for punishment

And she like most wives are happy to oblige.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

stickguy said:

Using climate (heat or AC)with a convertible top down is pretty common. I used to drive in winter weather top down quite often. Keep windows up and put heat to the floor setting, and stay quite toasty. Can do the same in the summer using AC.

You can stay quite toasty in the summer with the AC on?

Also it should be a law that if you have the top down the windows should also be down. To many people are driving around in a fish bowl.

snakeweasel

stickguy said:

My wife almost never drives at this point anyway so I don’t have to hear much from her.

You're lucky, when we travel together I almost always drive but I still hear a lot from the wife.

qbrozen

@ab348 said:
Except on the Benz the seat cushion tilts.

Too true!! Probably warms and massages your buns, too.

stickguy

windows down unless on the highway and it is too much buffering. Or in the winter when you can freeze! And of course, toasty in winter, chilly in summer!

abacomike

Well, I am back in the hospital. When I went to the surgeon this morning, after using a scalpel to try to remove some flora inside my open wound, he told me I needed to go into the hospital for a debridement surgical procedure which had to be done in the operating room under anesthesia due to an infection - the wound would not heal in its present state.

So here I am again. A few days after the procedure the doctor is insistent that I go into rehab for frequent wound care. I have a consulting doctor for infectious disease to monitor my post operative care.

I am pretty depressed over all this. I just can’t seem to be able to live a normal life.

stickguy

that does stink Mike. But just keep taking it one day at a time and get through it.

fintail

S-class generally owns its slowly shrinking but apparently still lucrative segment.

S-class never has a grille star, really, no MB sedans should have a grille star, but the CLS changed things.

ab348 said:

FWIW, Edmunds just declared the 2022 Mercedes S-Class to be their top-rated luxury sedan:

https://www.edmunds.com/top-rated/luxury-sedan

Oddly enough, the lack of the Mercedes star in the grille makes it look like a Hyundai:

jmonroe1

@Mike, it doesn’t seem like this has been a good year for you. Thankfully this year is about over and we’re all hoping next year will be great right from the first day.

jmonroe

qbrozen

@abacomike said:
Well, I am back in the hospital. When I went to the surgeon this morning, after using a scalpel to try to remove some flora inside my open wound, he told me I needed to go into the hospital for a debridement surgical procedure which had to be done in the operating room under anesthesia due to an infection - the wound would not heal in its present state.

So here I am again. A few days after the procedure the doctor is insistent that I go into rehab for frequent wound care. I have a consulting doctor for infectious disease to monitor my post operative care.

I am pretty depressed over all this. I just can’t seem to be able to live a normal life.

Can they use a graft like Dermagraft or Integra?

abacomike

@qbrozen said:

@abacomike said:
Well, I am back in the hospital. When I went to the surgeon this morning, after using a scalpel to try to remove some flora inside my open wound, he told me I needed to go into the hospital for a debridement surgical procedure which had to be done in the operating room under anesthesia due to an infection - the wound would not heal in its present state.

So here I am again. A few days after the procedure the doctor is insistent that I go into rehab for frequent wound care. I have a consulting doctor for infectious disease to monitor my post operative care.

I am pretty depressed over all this. I just can’t seem to be able to live a normal life.

Can they use a graft like Dermagraft or Integra?

From what my surgeon described to me, he opens up the incision with a scalpel and not only cleans the wound, but also cuts away dead skin so the wound can heal. I have already had several bags of various antibiotics hung and dripped into my IV tube along with fluids to hydrate my body.

The pocket of infected skin is cut away so healthy skin can mesh with healthy skin which was not happening due to various infectious derma that was crusted and unable to heal.

Once the debridement is complete, the incision must me cleansed every day to prevent renewed growth of bacteria which is why all doctors involved with my hospitalization (surgeon, primary care physician and infectious disease consulting specialist) are insistent that I go to rehab where making sure the open wound care is maintained in a sterile environment to prevent bacterial growth.

I just pray everything works out as planned.

qbrozen

They go through the same debridement process with diabetic ulcers that aren’t healing, but then they have the option of placing a commercial graft that also protects from infection. It cuts healing time drastically. So I was wondering if that is an option in your case. Something to ask about.

driver100

@abacomike Sorry to hear about these complications...hope everything goes as well as it possibly can.

driver100

fintail said:

S-class generally owns its slowly shrinking but apparently still lucrative segment.

S-class never has a grille star, really, no MB sedans should have a grille star, but the CLS changed things.

ab348 said:

FWIW, Edmunds just declared the 2022 Mercedes S-Class to be their top-rated luxury sedan:

https://www.edmunds.com/top-rated/luxury-sedan

Oddly enough, the lack of the Mercedes star in the grille makes it look like a Hyundai:

Well, I prefer the star grill and a large percentage of MB buyers prefer it too. However, I must say, the classic grill suits the S-Class more.....it isn't a sporty car.

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

Well, I am back in the hospital. When I went to the surgeon this morning, after using a scalpel to try to remove some flora inside my open wound, he told me I needed to go into the hospital for a debridement surgical procedure which had to be done in the operating room under anesthesia due to an infection - the wound would not heal in its present state.

So here I am again. A few days after the procedure the doctor is insistent that I go into rehab for frequent wound care. I have a consulting doctor for infectious disease to monitor my post operative care.

I am pretty depressed over all this. I just can’t seem to be able to live a normal life.

Seems like you can’t catch a break.

graphicguy

We’re moving into mass transportation nationally if self driving vehicles are inevitable. It’s a goal that has been on the radar for decades. I don’t see cars as the main beneficiary. But, I do believe self driving busses and long haul trucks that would be as something that gains traction.

Self driving busses/truck would be able to utilize the already built out interstate system, without retooling the rail systems (although high speed rail service across country would be ideal, too).

This is particularly true given the rate at which electrification of vehicles is accelerating. Said it before, say it again. The geo-political environment worldwide is getting ready for a major shift. Power of the oil producers and refineries is dwindling.

Why gasoline is still the price it is right now, given the industry is flying in the face of sound economic principles, is a mystery (unless they’re being artificially propped up). Make no mistake…we’re seeing the last vestiges of the oil business as we know it today.

The next question will be, what will fill the void left by the ever dwindling demand of gasoline and the taxes collected as a result?

stickguy

OPEC cut supply to jack up prices. Plus the domestic fracking was still largely mothballed from when prices were low. Ergo, price spiked.

Lots of people say we should just produce all our own oil, ignoring the fact it costs more.

stickguy

Taxes? Either road use, Registration, or general funds. Should be fun!

tjc78

@graphicguy said:
We’re moving into mass transportation nationally if self driving vehicles are inevitable. It’s a goal that has been on the radar for decades. I don’t see cars as the main beneficiary. But, I do believe self driving busses and long haul trucks that would be as something that gains traction.

Self driving busses/truck would be able to utilize the already built out interstate system, without retooling the rail systems (although high speed rail service across country would be ideal, too).

This is particularly true given the rate at which electrification of vehicles is accelerating. Said it before, say it again. The geo-political environment worldwide is getting ready for a major shift. Power of the oil producers and refineries is dwindling.

Why gasoline is still the price it is right now, given the industry is flying in the face of sound economic principles, is a mystery (unless they’re being artificially propped up). Make no mistake…we’re seeing the last vestiges of the oil business as we know it today.

The next question will be, what will fill the void left by the ever dwindling demand of gasoline and the taxes collected as a result?

I agree with this as well. I’d love to discuss this further (the gasoline part) but we will wander down that road we can’t here.

tjc78

Mike!! Sucks about the setback! Prayers for you that this next step of healing and recovery gets you healed and healthy very soon.

Tom

snakeweasel

@abacomike said:

@qbrozen said:

@abacomike said:
Well, I am back in the hospital. When I went to the surgeon this morning, after using a scalpel to try to remove some flora inside my open wound, he told me I needed to go into the hospital for a debridement surgical procedure which had to be done in the operating room under anesthesia due to an infection - the wound would not heal in its present state.

So here I am again. A few days after the procedure the doctor is insistent that I go into rehab for frequent wound care. I have a consulting doctor for infectious disease to monitor my post operative care.

I am pretty depressed over all this. I just can’t seem to be able to live a normal life.

Can they use a graft like Dermagraft or Integra?

From what my surgeon described to me, he opens up the incision with a scalpel and not only cleans the wound, but also cuts away dead skin so the wound can heal. I have already had several bags of various antibiotics hung and dripped into my IV tube along with fluids to hydrate my body.

The pocket of infected skin is cut away so healthy skin can mesh with healthy skin which was not happening due to various infectious derma that was crusted and unable to heal.

Once the debridement is complete, the incision must me cleansed every day to prevent renewed growth of bacteria which is why all doctors involved with my hospitalization (surgeon, primary care physician and infectious disease consulting specialist) are insistent that I go to rehab where making sure the open wound care is maintained in a sterile environment to prevent bacterial growth.

I just pray everything works out as planned.

Mike, keep the faith we are all pulling for you. Our hopes and prayers are with you.

snakeweasel

@graphicguy said:
We’re moving into mass transportation nationally if self driving vehicles are inevitable. It’s a goal that has been on the radar for decades. I don’t see cars as the main beneficiary. But, I do believe self driving busses and long haul trucks that would be as something that gains traction.

Self driving busses/truck would be able to utilize the already built out interstate system, without retooling the rail systems (although high speed rail service across country would be ideal, too).

This is particularly true given the rate at which electrification of vehicles is accelerating. Said it before, say it again. The geo-political environment worldwide is getting ready for a major shift. Power of the oil producers and refineries is dwindling.

Why gasoline is still the price it is right now, given the industry is flying in the face of sound economic principles, is a mystery (unless they’re being artificially propped up). Make no mistake…we’re seeing the last vestiges of the oil business as we know it today.

The next question will be, what will fill the void left by the ever dwindling demand of gasoline and the taxes collected as a result?

High speed rail in this country is only viable in limited areas, say along the coasts and the great lakes where populations are dense. In the interior and cross country it would just be a hugh money pit. The benefits would just be a small fraction of its costs.

snakeweasel

@stickguy said:
OPEC cut supply to jack up prices. Plus the domestic fracking was still largely mothballed from when prices were low. Ergo, price spiked.

Lots of people say we should just produce all our own oil, ignoring the fact it costs more.

Yep that's why gas prices dropped when we restricted domestic production....wait what?

Actually domestic production of oil, as well as many other things are necessary for national security.

mjfloyd1

@qbrozen said:
They go through the same debridement process with diabetic ulcers that aren’t healing, but then they have the option of placing a commercial graft that also protects from infection. It cuts healing time drastically. So I was wondering if that is an option in your case. Something to ask about.

Surgeon probably suspects deeper infection and /or wants to rule out deeper infection so wants to debride wound - especially if considering fusion.

Small intestinal submubmucosa (SiS graft ) is a reasonable closure after any deeper infection is cleared up. It will just pus out again if there is deeper infection.

Wow autocorrect really screwed that up…

stickguy

It’s all supply and demand. Prices went down because demand cratered. So supply was cut back. When demand exploded quickly, supply lagged so prices jumped. And the cartel artificially restricted output too making it worse.

Producing oil here is important but the northern fields cost more. When prices fell so much, they stopped producing. And it takes a while to get reopened. And if you want to produce higher cost oil, can’t also expect record cheap gas prices.

Global economy really isn’t built with an on/off switch. Shut down and especially ramp up takes a while. Many moving parts in the chain.

carnaught

We were oil independent and actually exporting it for a while, that is until this year. Like many things it has become a political issue.

abacomike

@driver100 said:
Right, S580 I believe and I believe the 2021 has Level 3 driving ability, the 2022 will have Level 4:

Level 3 basically means that the car can take complete control of the vehicle and drive it to your destination. The vehicle can recognize road signs, prevent collisions, keep you in the right lane, keep a safe distance from vehicles all around you, and even parallel park for you in some cases.

While this level could allow you to take your attention away and do other things, it still requires you to be ready to take back control if something happens. According to Jalopnik, the vehicle will alert you ahead of time, and you need to take over pretty quickly. If not, it will start to slow down and come to a complete halt safely.

Level 4 is almost the same as Level 3, but you don’t need to pay as much attention to the road. We haven’t seen Level 5 yet when the car completely drives itself, and you sit in it as if you were being taxied about.

Great job explaining the various differences and/or levels of available autonomous driving systems in today’s sophisticated vehicles.

I rarely use the autonomous system in my Genesis G90 because I have not been driving on the interstates or the Florida Turnpike system very much. But when given the opportunity to do so, I always engage it because I average 34+ mpg when using it.

The G90 is not as fuel efficient as my S450 was when driving around town (short trips for groceries or to the doctor) even though the twin turbo V6 engines are very similar (3.0 liters in the S450 vs. my 3.3 liters in the G90).

0-60 time is 5.0 secs for both. When I am in the “Sport” setting, the G90 is far more responsive to acceleration input than the S450 was.

carnaught

@abacomike, I think that because of diabetes, and the location of the wound infection, your doctor is rightly so being aggressive with wound care. Another possibility could be the use of a wound vac. which utilizes negative pressure to keep infection away from the healing area by decreasing air pressure on the wound surface.

All the best to you, Mike, and please keep us in the loop.

mjfloyd1

Speaking of diabetes- my last A1C was 5.9. It’s great but my last two were 5.1 and 5.3 so I gotta lay off the carbs.

PSA still undetectable 2.5 years post robotic prostatectomy.

fintail

Yep I know, the image of sport and youth sells, even if it is often a false pretense. One of those funny things where MB tries to be sportier and BMW has tried to be more luxurious,

I like the traditional grille and hood ornament, and given the choice, will select that configuration. 2 of my prior leases had the grille star, but were leftover cars I got for a sweet deal. The wagon having the traditional grille was something that appealed to me. Grille star is fine on a coupe or roadster, where it has been for decades.

driver100 said:

fintail said:

S-class generally owns its slowly shrinking but apparently still lucrative segment.

S-class never has a grille star, really, no MB sedans should have a grille star, but the CLS changed things.

ab348 said:

FWIW, Edmunds just declared the 2022 Mercedes S-Class to be their top-rated luxury sedan:

https://www.edmunds.com/top-rated/luxury-sedan

Oddly enough, the lack of the Mercedes star in the grille makes it look like a Hyundai:

Well, I prefer the star grill and a large percentage of MB buyers prefer it too. However, I must say, the classic grill suits the S-Class more.....it isn't a sporty car.

fintail

I've found the ACC to be useful to maintain long consistent following distances in snow, and to use gentle braking to maintain the distances (of course, I won't use it in really treacherous conditions). I suspect your Genesis has a lighter feeling throttle than the S450, too.

I'll echo others, fingers crossed you have a swift and full recovery.

abacomike said:

@driver100 said:

Right, S580 I believe and I believe the 2021 has Level 3 driving ability, the 2022 will have Level 4:

Level 3 basically means that the car can take complete control of the vehicle and drive it to your destination. The vehicle can recognize road signs, prevent collisions, keep you in the right lane, keep a safe distance from vehicles all around you, and even parallel park for you in some cases.

While this level could allow you to take your attention away and do other things, it still requires you to be ready to take back control if something happens. According to Jalopnik, the vehicle will alert you ahead of time, and you need to take over pretty quickly. If not, it will start to slow down and come to a complete halt safely.

Level 4 is almost the same as Level 3, but you don’t need to pay as much attention to the road. We haven’t seen Level 5 yet when the car completely drives itself, and you sit in it as if you were being taxied about.

Great job explaining the various differences and/or levels of available autonomous driving systems in today’s sophisticated vehicles.

I rarely use the autonomous system in my Genesis G90 because I have not been driving on the interstates or the Florida Turnpike system very much. But when given the opportunity to do so, I always engage it because I average 34+ mpg when using it.

The G90 is not as fuel efficient as my S450 was when driving around town (short trips for groceries or to the doctor) even though the twin turbo V6 engines are very similar (3.0 liters in the S450 vs. my 3.3 liters in the G90).

0-60 time is 5.0 secs for both. When I am in the “Sport” setting, the G90 is far more responsive to acceleration input than the S450 was.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

We’re moving into mass transportation nationally if self driving vehicles are inevitable. It’s a goal that has been on the radar for decades. I don’t see cars as the main beneficiary. But, I do believe self driving busses and long haul trucks that would be as something that gains traction.

Self driving busses/truck would be able to utilize the already built out interstate system, without retooling the rail systems (although high speed rail service across country would be ideal, too).

This is particularly true given the rate at which electrification of vehicles is accelerating. Said it before, say it again. The geo-political environment worldwide is getting ready for a major shift. Power of the oil producers and refineries is dwindling.

Why gasoline is still the price it is right now, given the industry is flying in the face of sound economic principles, is a mystery (unless they’re being artificially propped up). Make no mistake…we’re seeing the last vestiges of the oil business as we know it today.

The next question will be, what will fill the void left by the ever dwindling demand of gasoline and the taxes collected as a result?

I agree with that, the trucking system seems particularly well suited for that technology.

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

@graphicguy said:

We’re moving into mass transportation nationally if self driving vehicles are inevitable. It’s a goal that has been on the radar for decades. I don’t see cars as the main beneficiary. But, I do believe self driving busses and long haul trucks that would be as something that gains traction.

Self driving busses/truck would be able to utilize the already built out interstate system, without retooling the rail systems (although high speed rail service across country would be ideal, too).

This is particularly true given the rate at which electrification of vehicles is accelerating. Said it before, say it again. The geo-political environment worldwide is getting ready for a major shift. Power of the oil producers and refineries is dwindling.

Why gasoline is still the price it is right now, given the industry is flying in the face of sound economic principles, is a mystery (unless they’re being artificially propped up). Make no mistake…we’re seeing the last vestiges of the oil business as we know it today.

The next question will be, what will fill the void left by the ever dwindling demand of gasoline and the taxes collected as a result?

High speed rail in this country is only viable in limited areas, say along the coasts and the great lakes where populations are dense. In the interior and cross country it would just be a hugh money pit. The benefits would just be a small fraction of its costs.

Didn’t CA just suspend a high speed rail project after pouring billions into it?

driver100

Maybe gasoline engines are on the way out....but they are building big new gas stations near me, a Wawa, a Race Trac, and a 7/11 - what do these guys know that we don't? Why invest in state of the art gas stations if they are going out of business? And, I am surprised at how busy these places are.

qbrozen

oldfarmer50 said:

Didn’t CA just suspend a high speed rail project after pouring billions into it?

this was the meeting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4z_9NcIJXI

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

Maybe gasoline engines are on the way out....but they are building big new gas stations near me, a Wawa, a Race Trac, and a 7/11 - what do these guys know that we don't? Why invest in state of the art gas stations if they are going out of business? And, I am surprised at how busy these places are.

Those places will be paid off in 5 years at the latest and will still be pumping gas like they do today. 15 years out, well, they’ll be doing a lot of sandwich business if I had to guess.

jmonroe

stickguy

gas engines may eventually go extinct, but it will be more like 50 years than 5. Going to be a long time until the rolling stock can turn over that much.

wouldn't really be an issue if there had been a much bigger move to hybrids already.

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Didn’t CA just suspend a high speed rail project after pouring billions into it?

this was the meeting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4z_9NcIJXI

LOL That’s exactly how I imagined the CA boondoggle.

driver100

qbrozen said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Didn’t CA just suspend a high speed rail project after pouring billions into it?

this was the meeting.

They want to build Light Rail Transit in our town....it's supposed to cost about $4 Billion......what a waste. Our councilors should watch that video.....it's right on!

Sandman6472

Due to my spinal issues, I also can not bend down to cut my toe nails. Have been getting them cut where my wife goes for years now and never knew Medicare would pay it. I have to go every 3 to 4 weeks and since I get ingrown toe nails on both big toes, need to get the pedicure which is more expensive. Will have to call the podiatrists office and see if it's definitely covered by Medicare.
A total pain that I can hardly bend over. During the first month of the pandemic, I cut them myself in the garage, sat on the lip and bent over as it was the best way I could get to them. I butchered my feet plus the pain of just bending over almost made me pass out. Never did that again! Sad that when we get older, our bodies don't behave and we end up needing outside help to do even the most mundane tasks. My grandmother was right when she told me that getting older & having health issues makes for a very unhappy time...so much better to be healthy when getting older! Just guess we have to do the best we can to be honest!

venture

I don't know if this is supposed to be an ad, but it may be the best 4 minutes you spend today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4-oyBnknHk

qbrozen

@venture said:
I don't know if this is supposed to be an ad, but it may be the best 4 minutes you spend today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4-oyBnknHk

Yes, it is an ad. I have seen the shortened version on tv many times in the past couple of weeks.

tjc78

Christmas Eve dinner shopping. May the force be with me. Busy already at 6:45!!

jmonroe1

@venture said:
I don't know if this is supposed to be an ad, but it may be the best 4 minutes you spend today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4-oyBnknHk

You’re right. Thanks.

jmonroe

graphicguy

tjc78 said:

@graphicguy said:

We’re moving into mass transportation nationally if self driving vehicles are inevitable. It’s a goal that has been on the radar for decades. I don’t see cars as the main beneficiary. But, I do believe self driving busses and long haul trucks that would be as something that gains traction.

Self driving busses/truck would be able to utilize the already built out interstate system, without retooling the rail systems (although high speed rail service across country would be ideal, too).

This is particularly true given the rate at which electrification of vehicles is accelerating. Said it before, say it again. The geo-political environment worldwide is getting ready for a major shift. Power of the oil producers and refineries is dwindling.

Why gasoline is still the price it is right now, given the industry is flying in the face of sound economic principles, is a mystery (unless they’re being artificially propped up). Make no mistake…we’re seeing the last vestiges of the oil business as we know it today.

The next question will be, what will fill the void left by the ever dwindling demand of gasoline and the taxes collected as a result?

I agree with this as well. I’d love to discuss this further (the gasoline part) but we will wander down that road we can’t here.

There is no debate about the limited life span of the ICE car’s future. It’s dismal. And, the forecast of oil demand falling 2%/annum over the next 12-18 months puts downward pressure on prices. Past that, EVERY manufacturer is dedicating a rising percentage of development and production to electric vehicles. So, the demand for ICE vehicles will also drop.

Yes, the cars we’re driving today will still required gasoline, at least until they’ve outlived their usefulness. But, the future is indeed electrics.

Whether the oil industry and refineries refuse to understand that or not, is irrelevant. It’s happening. Maybe this artificial price prop is their last hurrah.

I predict Ford, Tesla, Volvo, etc will sell more electric pickups and long range trucks than they will cars in the very near future.

Any refineries building new fossil fuel only refueling without allowing for a quick conversion to charging stations is playing a fool’s game.

snakeweasel

graphicguy said:

tjc78 said:

@graphicguy said:

We’re moving into mass transportation nationally if self driving vehicles are inevitable. It’s a goal that has been on the radar for decades. I don’t see cars as the main beneficiary. But, I do believe self driving busses and long haul trucks that would be as something that gains traction.

Self driving busses/truck would be able to utilize the already built out interstate system, without retooling the rail systems (although high speed rail service across country would be ideal, too).

This is particularly true given the rate at which electrification of vehicles is accelerating. Said it before, say it again. The geo-political environment worldwide is getting ready for a major shift. Power of the oil producers and refineries is dwindling.

Why gasoline is still the price it is right now, given the industry is flying in the face of sound economic principles, is a mystery (unless they’re being artificially propped up). Make no mistake…we’re seeing the last vestiges of the oil business as we know it today.

The next question will be, what will fill the void left by the ever dwindling demand of gasoline and the taxes collected as a result?

I agree with this as well. I’d love to discuss this further (the gasoline part) but we will wander down that road we can’t here.

There is no debate about the limited life span of the ICE car’s future. It’s dismal. And, the forecast of oil demand falling 2%/annum over the next 12-18 months puts downward pressure on prices. Past that, EVERY manufacturer is dedicating a rising percentage of development and production to electric vehicles. So, the demand for ICE vehicles will also drop.

Yes, the cars we’re driving today will still required gasoline, at least until they’ve outlived their usefulness. But, the future is indeed electrics.

Whether the oil industry and refineries refuse to understand that or not, is irrelevant. It’s happening. Maybe this artificial price prop is their last hurrah.

I predict Ford, Tesla, Volvo, etc will sell more electric pickups and long range trucks than they will cars in the very near future.

Any refineries building new fossil fuel only refueling without allowing for a quick conversion to charging stations is playing a fool’s game.

I don't see electric vehicles as the solution, I really see the solution being a mixture of power sources.

The main issue I see with EV's is that they are not quite there in viability yet. To many issues to use them 100%. Maybe in the far future but not anytime soon.

jmonroe1

@snakeweasel said:
I don't see electric vehicles as the solution, I really see the solution being a mixture of power sources.

The main issue I see with EV's is that they are not quite there in viability yet. To many issues to use them 100%. Maybe in the far future but not anytime soon.

I’m still waiting for the day that was promised when I was a kid.

Fill the tank with water, plop in a pill and go. I’m beginning to think I won’t live long enough to see that day.

jmonroe

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

@snakeweasel said:

I don't see electric vehicles as the solution, I really see the solution being a mixture of power sources.

The main issue I see with EV's is that they are not quite there in viability yet. To many issues to use them 100%. Maybe in the far future but not anytime soon.

I’m still waiting for the day that was promised when I was a kid.

Fill the tank with water, plop in a pill and go. I’m beginning to think I won’t live long enough to see that day.

jmonroe

Nah, you're mixing that up with Fizzies;

driver100

I was really upset today...and this always happens. I filled up with gas yesterday, 10 gallons at $3.28 for RUG (no idea what my 93 octane PUG was), and today it was $3.23. That's the story of my life!!!!!!! :@