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oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

Got some bad news from my doctors this morning. I have a 2 cm wound opening in my back at the top of the surgical incision. It was infected so I completed a 10 day high dose of amoxicillin on Friday. But the wound is not healing and needs Debridement to remove dead tissues preventing healing. It may require me to go back into the hospital as this is usually done in the OR.

I’ll know more tomorrow morning when I see the neurosurgeon. I just can’t get a break. In addition my pain in my back is a bit worse than it was prior to surgery. My guess is he will want to do a fusion of L3, L4 and L5 vertebrae. I’m pretty depressed over this. 😩

Sorry to hear that.

jmonroe1

snakeweasel said:

explorerx4 said:

GM has Super Cruise, their 'autonomous driving' technology and Ford has Blue Cruise, which I'm not sure is available yet. The Mach E is supposed to be upgradeable to Blue Cruise if it has Co-Pilot360.

If your car has an "autonomous driving" feature and you miss a few payments will it drive itself to the finance company?

Yes, with the owner in it at gun point. Shooting a poor innocent car does nothing to stop a deadbeat from doing it again.

jmonroe

stickguy

people should not need computers to keep the car straight with their hands off the wheel. That's what your knees are for!

fintail

cdnpinhead said:

They do, or did every time I was over there.

I think on much or most of German highways, sections are replaced rather than holes patched, costs a lot but does a lot. Those gas taxes go somewhere.

driver100

abacomike said:

@driver100 said:

I have to check it out but a friend said his friend is getting a 2022 MB S550 and it has voice steering. If you tell it to turn right it will turn right at the next street.

What could possibly go wrong................

Can’t be a 2022 S550 - it’s an S500 or S580.

Right, S580 I believe and I believe the 2021 has Level 3 driving ability, the 2022 will have Level 4:

Level 3 basically means that the car can take complete control of the vehicle and drive it to your destination. The vehicle can recognize road signs, prevent collisions, keep you in the right lane, keep a safe distance from vehicles all around you, and even parallel park for you in some cases.

While this level could allow you to take your attention away and do other things, it still requires you to be ready to take back control if something happens. According to Jalopnik, the vehicle will alert you ahead of time, and you need to take over pretty quickly. If not, it will start to slow down and come to a complete halt safely.

Level 4 is almost the same as Level 3, but you don’t need to pay as much attention to the road. We haven’t seen Level 5 yet when the car completely drives itself, and you sit in it as if you were being taxied about.

abacomike

@tjc78 said:
Hey Mike. You’ve owned a recent S and now the Genesis flagship. How would you compare the two? If they cost the same which one would you buy?

That’s a difficult question to answer, tjc. I loved the S450 for it’s ride and handling as well as it’s technology and styling. The G90 has a number of advantages over the S450 - free maintenance including oil and filters, wipers, brakes, alignment, belts etc., for 3 years as well as a 5 year 60,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty. The G90 is easier to enter and get out of due to its size and height off the ground. Seats are more comfortable.

In summary, I prefer the G90 over the S Class because it’s $40,000 less in cost for a car that is at the minimum equivalent to the Mercedes. It’s an impressive vehicle for the money.

venture

abacomike said:

@mjfloyd1 said:

@qbrozen said:

Speaking of computer driver …. What the heck is up with car companies advertising hands free driving? Anyone see the Ford commercial where a Mach-e driver sets lane keep and takes his hands off the wheel? The car won’t let you do that. After about 10 secs, it starts beeping at you. Another 5 secs and it beeps louder and faster. I haven’t tried yet to push it past that to see what happens.

And there is another that irritates me, but I’m not even sure what car it is for. The driver sets it and starts clapping the beat to a song. WTH?

The clapping with hands off the steering wheel is GMC or Chevy. IIRC. Really odd that they advertise that. I could never trust auto drive.

My auto-steering system requires that my hand “not” be off the steering wheel for more than 30 seconds. If the car’s computer system senses that I have not held the steering wheel for more than 30 seconds, an audio chime sounds and disconnects autonomous steering and cruise control until my hand(s) is on the steering wheel again. It then resets autonomous steering and cruise control.

The Mercedes did the same thing but had a shorter interval (15 seconds IIRC).

What happens if you don't put your hand(s) on the wheel?

tjc78

@abacomike said:

@tjc78 said:
Hey Mike. You’ve owned a recent S and now the Genesis flagship. How would you compare the two? If they cost the same which one would you buy?

That’s a difficult question to answer, tjc. I loved the S450 for it’s ride and handling as well as it’s technology and styling. The G90 has a number of advantages over the S450 - free maintenance including oil and filters, wipers, brakes, alignment, belts etc., for 3 years as well as a 5 year 60,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty. The G90 is easier to enter and get out of due to its size and height off the ground. Seats are more comfortable.

In summary, I prefer the G90 over the S Class because it’s $40,000 less in cost for a car that is at the minimum equivalent to the Mercedes. It’s an impressive vehicle for the money.

I saw a G90 the other day. It is one nice car, I certainly wouldn’t mind owning one.

ab348

venture said:

What happens if you don't put your hand(s) on the wheel?

The system steers you directly into the nearest tree or pole. A teachable moment.

imidazol97

I see the area MB store has 4 S580s (2022) in stock. I'll have to run by and see which one I want.
(Store is in GG and KyfdX's area).

abacomike

@venture said:
What happens if you don't put your hand(s) on the wheel?

As I stated, the autonomous driving system is functional only if a hand(s) is on the steering wheel within the 30 second time limit. If it does not sense a hand(s), it will disengage or won’t engage when you attempt to initiate the system.

graphicguy

roadburner said:

Hang in there- you are the subject of a lot of thoughts and prayers.

Indeed! +100!

snakeweasel

@driver100 said:
Right, S580 I believe and I believe the 2021 has Level 3 driving ability, the 2022 will have Level 4:

Level 3 basically means that the car can take complete control of the vehicle and drive it to your destination. The vehicle can recognize road signs, prevent collisions, keep you in the right lane, keep a safe distance from vehicles all around you, and even parallel park for you in some cases.

While this level could allow you to take your attention away and do other things, it still requires you to be ready to take back control if something happens. According to Jalopnik, the vehicle will alert you ahead of time, and you need to take over pretty quickly. If not, it will start to slow down and come to a complete halt safely.

Level 4 is almost the same as Level 3, but you don’t need to pay as much attention to the road. We haven’t seen Level 5 yet when the car completely drives itself, and you sit in it as if you were being taxied about.

I don't know if I could trust a self driving car. I really dont think one can do the anticipation that a human mind can do.

snakeweasel

@abacomike said:

@venture said:
What happens if you don't put your hand(s) on the wheel?

As I stated, the autonomous driving system is functional only if a hand(s) is on the steering wheel within the 30 second time limit. If it does not sense a hand(s), it will disengage or won’t engage when you attempt to initiate the system.

Sort of defeats the purpose of self driving cars.

abacomike

@snakeweasel said:

@abacomike said:

@venture said:
What happens if you don't put your hand(s) on the wheel?

As I stated, the autonomous driving system is functional only if a hand(s) is on the steering wheel within the 30 second time limit. If it does not sense a hand(s), it will disengage or won’t engage when you attempt to initiate the system.

Sort of defeats the purpose of self driving cars.

When I engage the autonomous driving system, I am always on an interstate or the Florida Turnpike traveling at 65 mph. First, I engage blind spot monitors and lane-keeping-assist. Then I turn on cruise control and set it at 65 mph. Autonomous drive automatically engages once I have set the speed.

I must put my directional signal on when in autonomous drive if I want to change lanes - the lane keeping system is paused until I complete the lane change - it re-engages once the directional signal is disengaged.

The car maintains a set distance from traffic in front and slows or brakes if too close. It steers inside marked lanes. All I do is maintain touching the steering wheel.

I like the autonomous drive on the highway because it reduces the need for input to maintain the speed and direction of the car.

jmonroe1

venture said:

abacomike said:

@mjfloyd1 said:

@qbrozen said:

Speaking of computer driver …. What the heck is up with car companies advertising hands free driving? Anyone see the Ford commercial where a Mach-e driver sets lane keep and takes his hands off the wheel? The car won’t let you do that. After about 10 secs, it starts beeping at you. Another 5 secs and it beeps louder and faster. I haven’t tried yet to push it past that to see what happens.

And there is another that irritates me, but I’m not even sure what car it is for. The driver sets it and starts clapping the beat to a song. WTH?

The clapping with hands off the steering wheel is GMC or Chevy. IIRC. Really odd that they advertise that. I could never trust auto drive.

My auto-steering system requires that my hand “not” be off the steering wheel for more than 30 seconds. If the car’s computer system senses that I have not held the steering wheel for more than 30 seconds, an audio chime sounds and disconnects autonomous steering and cruise control until my hand(s) is on the steering wheel again. It then resets autonomous steering and cruise control.

The Mercedes did the same thing but had a shorter interval (15 seconds IIRC).

What happens if you don't put your hand(s) on the wheel?

According to @stickguy it moves your knees into position.

jmonroe

stickguy

You can Tesla cheat and hang a weight on the wheel! Or yoke for them I guess?

jmonroe1

snakeweasel said:

@driver100 said:

Right, S580 I believe and I believe the 2021 has Level 3 driving ability, the 2022 will have Level 4:

Level 3 basically means that the car can take complete control of the vehicle and drive it to your destination. The vehicle can recognize road signs, prevent collisions, keep you in the right lane, keep a safe distance from vehicles all around you, and even parallel park for you in some cases.

While this level could allow you to take your attention away and do other things, it still requires you to be ready to take back control if something happens. According to Jalopnik, the vehicle will alert you ahead of time, and you need to take over pretty quickly. If not, it will start to slow down and come to a complete halt safely.

Level 4 is almost the same as Level 3, but you don’t need to pay as much attention to the road. We haven’t seen Level 5 yet when the car completely drives itself, and you sit in it as if you were being taxied about.

I don't know if I could trust a self driving car. I really dont think one can do the anticipation that a human mind can do.

Not to argue but I think it would be better judging from some of the mindless drivers I’ve seen.

jmonroe

imidazol97

I hope everyone realizes the sequential steps after level 5 control by gov
regulations is control of car speed and operation. In other words,
no going above the speed limit signs the car recognizes from the camera
or from the GPS.

So no more arguing about speed limits. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.

I can just hear the songs put out about the awful speed limits
and how boring it is to drive the speed limit.

There was a 50 mph speed limit that I recall for passenger cars.
Think how much fuel that would SAVE!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Maximum_Speed_Law#:~:text=As an emergency response to,limit for trucks and buses.

I Can't Drive 55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvV3nn_de2k

jmonroe1

abacomike said:

@snakeweasel said:

@abacomike said:

@venture said:

What happens if you don't put your hand(s) on the wheel?

As I stated, the autonomous driving system is functional only if a hand(s) is on the steering wheel within the 30 second time limit. If it does not sense a hand(s), it will disengage or won’t engage when you attempt to initiate the system.

Sort of defeats the purpose of self driving cars.

When I engage the autonomous driving system, I am always on an interstate or the Florida Turnpike traveling at 65 mph. First, I engage blind spot monitors and lane-keeping-assist. Then I turn on cruise control and set it at 65 mph. Autonomous drive automatically engages once I have set the speed.

I must put my directional signal on when in autonomous drive if I want to change lanes - the lane keeping system is paused until I complete the lane change - it re-engages once the directional signal is disengaged.

The car maintains a set distance from traffic in front and slows or brakes if too close. It steers inside marked lanes. All I do is maintain touching the steering wheel.

I like the autonomous drive on the highway because it reduces the need for input to maintain the speed and direction of the car.

When I was teaching Son #1 how to drive I remember him asking me how to use cruise control and I told him, “when you use cruise control you’re not really driving…you’re aiming”. Eventually I showed him how it worked but much later when he showed me he knew how to drive.

Fast forward to when he was teaching his oldest Son how to drive and his Son asked him the same question. His answer was the same as what I told him. My Son said he couldn’t wait to drop that line onto his kids when the time came. It got to be the joke in their house so when his second Son was learning to drive I was kidding my Grandson about that and he said to me, “there is NO WAY I’m going to ask him that question”. It will also ruin that line for when he teaches his third Son how to drive.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

imidazol97 said:

I hope everyone realizes the sequential steps after level 5 control by gov
regulations is control of car speed and operation. In other words,
no going above the speed limit signs the car recognizes from the camera
or from the GPS.

So no more arguing about speed limits. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.

I can just hear the songs put out about the awful speed limits
and how boring it is to drive the speed limit.

There was a 50 mph speed limit that I recall for passenger cars.
Think how much fuel that would SAVE!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Maximum_Speed_Law#:~:text=As an emergency response to,limit for trucks and buses.

I Can't Drive 55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvV3nn_de2k

I’m sure we all know our poster buddy @andres3 is going to be the poster child riling against that feature. :@

jmonroe

ab348

I don't know if I could trust self-driving either. I know I get bothered by the lane-keep assist in the ATS tugging on the wheel against me sometimes.

explorerx4

I've been enjoying watching Sandy Munro's trip in a Model S Plaid, but there have been a couple of hiccups in self driving mode.

driver100

imidazol97 said:

I hope everyone realizes the sequential steps after level 5 control by gov
regulations is control of car speed and operation. In other words,
no going above the speed limit signs the car recognizes from the camera
or from the GPS.

So no more arguing about speed limits. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.

I Can't Drive 55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvV3nn_de2k

Is it considered music if the guy is yelling at the top of his lungs, and if the band sounds like a jet engine taking off?
They'll probably have a control on self driving cars......do you want to go 10%, 15% 20% etc over the posted speed?

ab348

FWIW, Edmunds just declared the 2022 Mercedes S-Class to be their top-rated luxury sedan:

https://www.edmunds.com/top-rated/luxury-sedan

Oddly enough, the lack of the Mercedes star in the grille makes it look like a Hyundai:

driver100

snakeweasel said:

@driver100 said:

Right, S580 I believe and I believe the 2021 has Level 3 driving ability, the 2022 will have Level 4:

Level 3 basically means that the car can take complete control of the vehicle and drive it to your destination. The vehicle can recognize road signs, prevent collisions, keep you in the right lane, keep a safe distance from vehicles all around you, and even parallel park for you in some cases.

While this level could allow you to take your attention away and do other things, it still requires you to be ready to take back control if something happens. According to Jalopnik, the vehicle will alert you ahead of time, and you need to take over pretty quickly. If not, it will start to slow down and come to a complete halt safely.

Level 4 is almost the same as Level 3, but you don’t need to pay as much attention to the road. We haven’t seen Level 5 yet when the car completely drives itself, and you sit in it as if you were being taxied about.

I don't know if I could trust a self driving car. I really dont think one can do the anticipation that a human mind can do.

I would say the same, but statistically self-driving cars are probably a lot safer.

As an example; Yesterday I was headed north in the left lane, 2 lanes going north, speed limit 50 mph.
btw...I have to be in the left lane because I have to turn left in less than a mile.
A guy in a Buick Enclave is riding my rear bumper, I am keeping up with the flow of traffic and there is a car in front of me.
Of course, I knew what the Buick guy would do....the first chance he got he jumped into the right lane, sped up to get ahead of me, and then wedged himself into the space in front of me (if I wasn't such a nice guy I would have cut him off from doing that - but I figure I'll let him be the jerk he is).
What was really funny was I was turning left just ahead, I move into the left turning lane, I get an advanced green light, he is sitting at the light right where he would have been anyway.
In his case, a self-driving car would make the roads safer for everyone!

stickguy

I don’t even think my wife knows how to use cruise control. I don’t think she ever has. And I know for sure she doesn’t understand the ACC on the current car.

ab348

stickguy said:

I don’t even think my wife knows how to use cruise control. I don’t think she ever has. And I know for sure she doesn’t understand the ACC on the current car.

That isn't just a male/female thing though. I remember when I was a kid, my Dad used to drive me crazy with some of his moves as a driver. If it was cold in the car and you asked him to put on some heat, every control would go to full blast and stay there until you pleaded with him to shut it off. And if it started to rain, the wipers would always be set to maximum speed before he would eventually turn them off.

snakeweasel

@driver100 said:
Is it considered music if the guy is yelling at the top of his lungs, and if the band sounds like a jet engine taking off?
They'll probably have a control on self driving cars......do you want to go 10%, 15% 20% etc over the posted speed?

Well that, as well as disco, are not music.

They are pushing making cars incapable of exceeding the speed limit or having them do something annoying if you do.

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

@driver100 said:

Right, S580 I believe and I believe the 2021 has Level 3 driving ability, the 2022 will have Level 4:

Level 3 basically means that the car can take complete control of the vehicle and drive it to your destination. The vehicle can recognize road signs, prevent collisions, keep you in the right lane, keep a safe distance from vehicles all around you, and even parallel park for you in some cases.

While this level could allow you to take your attention away and do other things, it still requires you to be ready to take back control if something happens. According to Jalopnik, the vehicle will alert you ahead of time, and you need to take over pretty quickly. If not, it will start to slow down and come to a complete halt safely.

Level 4 is almost the same as Level 3, but you don’t need to pay as much attention to the road. We haven’t seen Level 5 yet when the car completely drives itself, and you sit in it as if you were being taxied about.

I don't know if I could trust a self driving car. I really dont think one can do the anticipation that a human mind can do.

Well, considering some of the bonehead moves humans pull, you could argue that. That being said I don’t know how you can program a computer for every contingency. What about an unexpected patch of ice for example.

snakeweasel

@driver100 said:
I would say the same, but statistically self-driving cars are probably a lot safer.

As an example; Yesterday I was headed north in the left lane, 2 lanes going north, speed limit 50 mph.
btw...I have to be in the left lane because I have to turn left in less than a mile.
A guy in a Buick Enclave is riding my rear bumper, I am keeping up with the flow of traffic and there is a car in front of me.
Of course, I knew what the Buick guy would do....the first chance he got he jumped into the right lane, sped up to get ahead of me, and then wedged himself into the space in front of me (if I wasn't such a nice guy I would have cut him off from doing that - but I figure I'll let him be the jerk he is).
What was really funny was I was turning left just ahead, I move into the left turning lane, I get an advanced green light, he is sitting at the light right where he would have been anyway.
In his case, a self-driving car would make the roads safer for everyone!

Well in that case you anticipated the guy doing that stupid move and adjusted to it. what would have happened if your car was in a self driving mode?

snakeweasel

@ab348 said:
That isn't just a male/female thing though. I remember when I was a kid, my Dad used to drive me crazy with some of his moves as a driver. If it was cold in the car and you asked him to put on some heat, every control would go to full blast and stay there until you pleaded with him to shut it off. And if it started to rain, the wipers would always be set to maximum speed before he would eventually turn them off.

My wife is like that with the A/C, she must think it has two settings.... off and full forced artic blast.

jmonroe1

ab348 said:

FWIW, Edmunds just declared the 2022 Mercedes S-Class to be their top-rated luxury sedan:

https://www.edmunds.com/top-rated/luxury-sedan

Oddly enough, the lack of the Mercedes star in the grille makes it look like a Hyundai:

Depends on the looker. I think it looks better.

jmonroe

imidazol97

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

@driver100 said:

Right, S580 I believe and I believe the 2021 has Level 3 driving ability, the 2022 will have Level 4:

Level 3 basically means that the car can take complete control of the vehicle and drive it to your destination. The vehicle can recognize road signs, prevent collisions, keep you in the right lane, keep a safe distance from vehicles all around you, and even parallel park for you in some cases.

While this level could allow you to take your attention away and do other things, it still requires you to be ready to take back control if something happens. According to Jalopnik, the vehicle will alert you ahead of time, and you need to take over pretty quickly. If not, it will start to slow down and come to a complete halt safely.

Level 4 is almost the same as Level 3, but you don’t need to pay as much attention to the road. We haven’t seen Level 5 yet when the car completely drives itself, and you sit in it as if you were being taxied about.

I don't know if I could trust a self driving car. I really dont think one can do the anticipation that a human mind can do.

I would say the same, but statistically self-driving cars are probably a lot safer.

As an example; Yesterday I was headed north in the left lane, 2 lanes going north, speed limit 50 mph.
btw...I have to be in the left lane because I have to turn left in less than a mile.
A guy in a Buick Enclave is riding my rear bumper, I am keeping up with the flow of traffic and there is a car in front of me.
Of course, I knew what the Buick guy would do....the first chance he got he jumped into the right lane, sped up to get ahead of me, and then wedged himself into the space in front of me (if I wasn't such a nice guy I would have cut him off from doing that - but I figure I'll let him be the jerk he is).
What was really funny was I was turning left just ahead, I move into the left turning lane, I get an advanced green light, he is sitting at the light right where he would have been anyway.
In his case, a self-driving car would make the roads safer for everyone!

Another GM story... LOL

imidazol97

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venture

ab348 said:

I don't know if I could trust self-driving either. I know I get bothered by the lane-keep assist in the ATS tugging on the wheel against me sometimes.

I agree. When I drove my wife's Ascent a few times she asked me why I was swerving. It was the lane keep thingy. I turned it off. (Shhhh. She doesn't know).

venture

snakeweasel said:

@ab348 said:

That isn't just a male/female thing though. I remember when I was a kid, my Dad used to drive me crazy with some of his moves as a driver. If it was cold in the car and you asked him to put on some heat, every control would go to full blast and stay there until you pleaded with him to shut it off. And if it started to rain, the wipers would always be set to maximum speed before he would eventually turn them off.

My wife is like that with the A/C, she must think it has two settings.... off and full forced artic blast.

I was with Mrs. venture yesterday in her car. The setting for climate was on HI - both sides. I made the mistake of asking why. She said she controls it with the fan speed. You would think we would learn.

driver100

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

@driver100 said:

Right, S580 I believe and I believe the 2021 has Level 3 driving ability, the 2022 will have Level 4:

Level 3 basically means that the car can take complete control of the vehicle and drive it to your destination. The vehicle can recognize road signs, prevent collisions, keep you in the right lane, keep a safe distance from vehicles all around you, and even parallel park for you in some cases.

While this level could allow you to take your attention away and do other things, it still requires you to be ready to take back control if something happens. According to Jalopnik, the vehicle will alert you ahead of time, and you need to take over pretty quickly. If not, it will start to slow down and come to a complete halt safely.

Level 4 is almost the same as Level 3, but you don’t need to pay as much attention to the road. We haven’t seen Level 5 yet when the car completely drives itself, and you sit in it as if you were being taxied about.

I don't know if I could trust a self driving car. I really dont think one can do the anticipation that a human mind can do.

I would say the same, but statistically self-driving cars are probably a lot safer.

As an example; Yesterday I was headed north in the left lane, 2 lanes going north, speed limit 50 mph.
btw...I have to be in the left lane because I have to turn left in less than a mile.
A guy in a Buick Enclave is riding my rear bumper, I am keeping up with the flow of traffic and there is a car in front of me.
Of course, I knew what the Buick guy would do....the first chance he got he jumped into the right lane, sped up to get ahead of me, and then wedged himself into the space in front of me (if I wasn't such a nice guy I would have cut him off from doing that - but I figure I'll let him be the jerk he is).
What was really funny was I was turning left just ahead, I move into the left turning lane, I get an advanced green light, he is sitting at the light right where he would have been anyway.
In his case, a self-driving car would make the roads safer for everyone!

Another GM story... LOL

I just report what I see....no bias.

driver100

....and I am not sure why MrsD100 drives with the a/c on and the sunroof open, and is considering an electric car next time to save the planet!
Maybe if everyone did this the whole town could be air conditioned.

driver100

ab348 said:

FWIW, Edmunds just declared the 2022 Mercedes S-Class to be their top-rated luxury sedan:

https://www.edmunds.com/top-rated/luxury-sedan

Oddly enough, the lack of the Mercedes star in the grille makes it look like a Hyundai:

Good point. The inside isn't too shabby:

qbrozen

driver100 said:

Good point. The inside isn't too shabby:

2 screens for all functions, 3-spoke steering wheel, diamond-pattern seats ... reminds me of my mach-e.

jmonroe1

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

Good point. The inside isn't too shabby:

2 screens for all functions, 3-spoke steering wheel, diamond-pattern seats ... reminds me of my mach-e.

Some buyers are getting screwed.

jmonroe

stickguy

Using climate (heat or AC)with a convertible top down is pretty common. I used to drive in winter weather top down quite often. Keep windows up and put heat to the floor setting, and stay quite toasty. Can do the same in the summer using AC.

ab348

qbrozen said:

2 screens for all functions, 3-spoke steering wheel, diamond-pattern seats ... reminds me of my mach-e.

Except on the Benz the seat cushion tilts.

tjc78

@venture said:
I agree. When I drove my wife's Ascent a few times she asked me why I was swerving. It was the lane keep thingy. I turned it off. (Shhhh. She doesn't know).

My wife hates the lane keep assist on her XC90. She always complains. I told her to stay in the lane and it won’t bother you… That naturally started a fight

cdnpinhead

ab348 said:

stickguy said:

I don’t even think my wife knows how to use cruise control. I don’t think she ever has. And I know for sure she doesn’t understand the ACC on the current car.

That isn't just a male/female thing though. I remember when I was a kid, my Dad used to drive me crazy with some of his moves as a driver. If it was cold in the car and you asked him to put on some heat, every control would go to full blast and stay there until you pleaded with him to shut it off. And if it started to rain, the wipers would always be set to maximum speed before he would eventually turn them off.

Apparently he was digital before it was cool, or at least useful.

stickguy

tjc78 said:

@venture said:

I agree. When I drove my wife's Ascent a few times she asked me why I was swerving. It was the lane keep thingy. I turned it off. (Shhhh. She doesn't know).

My wife hates the lane keep assist on her XC90. She always complains. I told her to stay in the lane and it won’t bother you… That naturally started a fight

You can usually turn it off. The RDX is a little annoying but I think it is just a warning (wheel shake) but doesn’t steer you back. That I can turn off (also takes out the ACC option). I just don’t bother.

driver100

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

Good point. The inside isn't too shabby:

2 screens for all functions, 3-spoke steering wheel, diamond-pattern seats ... reminds me of my mach-e.

That does look similar.
It looks like those 3 dudes in the front of the car are getting ready to roll you!

28firefighter

tjc78 said:

@venture said:

I agree. When I drove my wife's Ascent a few times she asked me why I was swerving. It was the lane keep thingy. I turned it off. (Shhhh. She doesn't know).

My wife hates the lane keep assist on her XC90. She always complains. I told her to stay in the lane and it won’t bother you… That naturally started a fight

A rookie move. Ya just hate to see it.

stickguy

My wife almost never drives at this point anyway so I don’t have to hear much from her.