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explorerx4

Our new house is in a development that has an HOA. It's pretty cheap, less than $40 a month.
There is a community playground, pool and a couple of tennis courts.
We got off to a bad start when I got a letter with my name on it that acknowledged paying the annual dues for some property in a totally different development.
They got a little freaked out about how that could happen but I figured it was a form letter that wasn't completely filled out and had info from the previous owner they sent it to.

roadburner

In other news I reorganized one of my three displays I have at home.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

It's felt like kind of a dilemma. Since I found the mouse nest in the Mustang.
I've been trying to get rid of the smell so I can get the trans looked at.
I watched some videos on removing the heater box.
Several claimed it could be done in half an hour.
Maybe, if you have the 2 piece design, but mine has a single large unit.
You have to remove the dash.
Decided to buy an Ionizer. Hopefully that's going to work.

That stuff is the devil to get rid of. I tried everything but couldn’t quite get that smell out. I’m hoping all the peppermint mouse repellent I put in it this winter will destink it by this year.

qbrozen

I never experienced an HOA until we got the condo in SC. It is an 8-unit building, so everyone is a member. It is … interesting.

fintail

Bottom row in the back, are those Avon bottle cars in boxes?

roadburner said:

In other news I reorganized one of my three displays I have at home.

oldfarmer50

kyfdx said:

Coyote has been spotted in our neighborhood, multiple times in the last two weeks. Some of the neighbors want to pay to trap it.
Good luck with that.

Also, Tuesday night, someone on our street had a car stolen from their driveway. They left the keys in it.

Around here Coyotes are getting less afraid of humans because hunting has been discouraged. That has lead to some unpleasant human/animal interactions. I say trap it before somebody’s dog or kid gets attacked.

oldfarmer50

tjc78 said:

Story time…

So our small development has an HOA for the water basins and a small amount of community landscaping. It’s dirt cheap $50/ month and overall they don’t have much interaction with the home owners unless you want “approval” for an exterior change. The management company isn’t great and they certainly can be rude if you call, but they more or less do what they are supposed to do on their time.

A few people in the development are all upset that the landscaper quit and the common areas aren’t re-mulched and weeded. Now they want to fire the management company and start adding to the HOA responsibilities.

My wife questioned it on the Facebook group and mentioned that all this stuff would cost us extra money, required a vote, etc. People got all immature and rude. So now I guess we are the black sheep of the neighborhood. I’m crushed lol.

Why on Earth would people want to pay more for an HOA in a single family development is beyond me. Apparently there is a community Zoom call later in the month with the current management company. What a crap show that will be

Welcome to cancel culture where feelings trump logic and facts every time.

roadburner

@fintail said:
Bottom row in the back, are those Avon bottle cars in boxes?

Good catch! Yes, my mom collected them. I kept the ones I liked- TR3, E-Type, 1965 Mustang, 911, ‘55 Chevy, a Triumph bike and a couple of Jeeps.

tjc78

@qbrozen said:
I never experienced an HOA until we got the condo in SC. It is an 8-unit building, so everyone is a member. It is … interesting.

Sounds like our 6 unit place in Wildwood. Luckily our neighbor runs that really well. Everything is disclosed and we get the bank statement monthly.

Everything is voted on too. When I moved in we all spoke and determined our insurance coverages were too low. The head got a quote and we all voted for the increase. Then we decided there was plenty of cushion to not raise everyone’s dues.

tjc78

@roadburner said:
In other news I reorganized one of my three displays I have at home.

Cool collection!

qbrozen

@tjc78 said:
Sounds like our 6 unit place in Wildwood. Luckily our neighbor runs that really well. Everything is disclosed and we get the bank statement monthly.

Everything is voted on too. When I moved in we all spoke and determined our insurance coverages were too low. The head got a quote and we all voted for the increase. Then we decided there was plenty of cushion to not raise everyone’s dues.

Same. But there is a line for me. Do I need to cast a vote for pool chairs? Folks can get in their own way sometimes. When I’m there, I just take care of things. I noticed some garage lights were out so I replaced them with LEDs. I didn’t mention it, didn’t call a vote, didn’t ask for funds. They wanted more cameras, so I put up a ring in my hallway and appropriated the existing Nest cam by the pool and connected to my wifi. Then shared access to both with everyone. No, I’m not submitting bills to be voted on and approved for payment. It is not worth my time.

abacomike

@qbrozen said:
I never experienced an HOA until we got the condo in SC. It is an 8-unit building, so everyone is a member. It is … interesting.

I am almost embarrassed to tell you what my HOA costs me every month - $531 through electronic withdrawal to my checking. I live in a 48 unit 4-story building. There are 6 buildings in my Village. HOA fees are levied by square feet of each unit. My unit is a 1350 sq ft unit. There is one larger unit and one smaller unit in the building.

But 60% of the HOA fees go to the Community Council to cover security and their vehicles, grounds, golf course, tennis courts, maintenance of roads and buildings, etc. It’s a huge community with over 5500 people living here. We have huge green areas as well.

I just got hit with a $390 assessment for redoing our “Village” pool and gating the area around it. Each Village (there are 20 villages) has it’s own board of directors. The Community Council pays all salaries for office workers, over 90 grounds workers, 35 security personnel with 10 security vehicles, 2 entry gates, ballroom, theater, card and game rooms, country club operations and 30+ clubs with facilities. Transport buses circle the community to transport owners who don’t drive to all areas in the community. We also have large buses that transport owners to food shopping, shopping malls and special trips externally. We even have nurses and a doctor on staff in our country club facility.

15 years ago, HOA fees were $290 a month. It isn’t cheap living here, but the grounds are kept beautifully and it’s peaceful and quiet. Lots of activities and a restaurant at the country club.

It used to be a 55+ community - now a 80+ community - 🤪😜. All kidding aside, there are younger people moving into the community all the time. My village was the last village built in 1991. I am 1-block from the theater and game/club rooms with several walking pools and patios along with the administration center which gives out parking/gate decals for cars and ID cards. Very convenient.

tjc78

@qbrozen said:

@tjc78 said:
Sounds like our 6 unit place in Wildwood. Luckily our neighbor runs that really well. Everything is disclosed and we get the bank statement monthly.

Everything is voted on too. When I moved in we all spoke and determined our insurance coverages were too low. The head got a quote and we all voted for the increase. Then we decided there was plenty of cushion to not raise everyone’s dues.

Same. But there is a line for me. Do I need to cast a vote for pool chairs? Folks can get in their own way sometimes. When I’m there, I just take care of things. I noticed some garage lights were out so I replaced them with LEDs. I didn’t mention it, didn’t call a vote, didn’t ask for funds. They wanted more cameras, so I put up a ring in my hallway and appropriated the existing Nest cam by the pool and connected to my wifi. Then shared access to both with everyone. No, I’m not submitting bills to be voted on and approved for payment. It is not worth my time.

Oh I agree with you. I did a bunch of exterior stuff last weekend too. Also asked for the paint codes to touch up the front doors, etc. No need to pay someone to do that stuff

The one thing I want to do is have our outdoor showers redone. It is going to be a PITA since the AC compressors are on top of them. Apparently no one uses them. I said well I have two young kids who will be using them after every beach trip!

oldfarmer50

Has anyone noticed the sudden jump in gas prices this week? The rip off joint jumped from $4.30 to almost $4.50 overnight and even my El cheapo no name station went up a dime.

PUG hasn’t jumped as dramatically but it’s creeping up.

kyfdx

oldfarmer50 said:

Has anyone noticed the sudden jump in gas prices this week? The rip off joint jumped from $4.30 to almost $4.50 overnight and even my El cheapo no name station went up a dime.

PUG hasn’t jumped as dramatically but it’s creeping up.

Price of oil is up about $8/bbl, this week.

tjc78

I feel bad for those who need Diesel! I’ve seen it over $6.00 gallon here in NJ.

oldfarmer50

tjc78 said:

I feel bad for those who need Diesel! I’ve seen it over $6.00 gallon here in NJ.

I just heard that over near Boston people are paying $7/gal. For heating oil (diesel basically).

sda

abacomike said:

@qbrozen said:

I never experienced an HOA until we got the condo in SC. It is an 8-unit building, so everyone is a member. It is … interesting.

I am almost embarrassed to tell you what my HOA costs me every month - $531 through electronic withdrawal to my checking. I live in a 48 unit 4-story building. There are 6 buildings in my Village. HOA fees are levied by square feet of each unit. My unit is a 1350 sq ft unit. There is one larger unit and one smaller unit in the building.

But 60% of the HOA fees go to the Community Council to cover security and their vehicles, grounds, golf course, tennis courts, maintenance of roads and buildings, etc. It’s a huge community with over 5500 people living here. We have huge green areas as well.

I just got hit with a $390 assessment for redoing our “Village” pool and gating the area around it. Each Village (there are 20 villages) has it’s own board of directors. The Community Council pays all salaries for office workers, over 90 grounds workers, 35 security personnel with 10 security vehicles, 2 entry gates, ballroom, theater, card and game rooms, country club operations and 30+ clubs with facilities. Transport buses circle the community to transport owners who don’t drive to all areas in the community. We also have large buses that transport owners to food shopping, shopping malls and special trips externally. We even have nurses and a doctor on staff in our country club facility.

15 years ago, HOA fees were $290 a month. It isn’t cheap living here, but the grounds are kept beautifully and it’s peaceful and quiet. Lots of activities and a restaurant at the country club.

It used to be a 55+ community - now a 80+ community - 🤪😜. All kidding aside, there are younger people moving into the community all the time. My village was the last village built in 1991. I am 1-block from the theater and game/club rooms with several walking pools and patios along with the administration center which gives out parking/gate decals for cars and ID cards. Very convenient.

A huge plus for you is your place is paid for and you have great equity. Your HOA is cheap compared to current day rent or having to buy a place. Your community sounds really nice and well maintained. A lot of places aren't and are subject to higher HOAs and assessments.

qbrozen

My HOA is $400/mo. Not cheap but not bad in that area. The monster buildings have much higher fees. Seems like we're doing pretty good for just 8 units with a pool

ab348

kyfdx said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Has anyone noticed the sudden jump in gas prices this week? The rip off joint jumped from $4.30 to almost $4.50 overnight and even my El cheapo no name station went up a dime.

PUG hasn’t jumped as dramatically but it’s creeping up.

Price of oil is up about $8/bbl, this week.

Of course the price of crude and the price of gasoline are only loosely related. Gas is far more expensive now than it was when crude briefly hit $147 in 2008.

Michaell

I pay $62.50/mo for our HOA, which gets us a pool, a clubhouse and maintenance of the common areas.

But, I also pay a few thousand a year in property taxes to our metro association (similar to the Reedy Creek situation for Disney in Florida).

fintail

My parents were hobbyist antique dealers when I was a kid, so we were constantly out scouting yard/estate sales. I developed a liking for those bottles, and would pick them up if they were cheap (like under $1). That collecting episode ended in short time, as I think I spilled enough of the aging cologne to have it become annoying, and they all ended up at our own yard sale.

roadburner said:

@fintail said:

Bottom row in the back, are those Avon bottle cars in boxes?

Good catch! Yes, my mom collected them. I kept the ones I liked- TR3, E-Type, 1965 Mustang, 911, ‘55 Chevy, a Triumph bike and a couple of Jeeps.

fintail

I've also noticed record profits in many corporate sectors during these times of "increasing costs", what a coincidence.

oldfarmer50 said:

Has anyone noticed the sudden jump in gas prices this week? The rip off joint jumped from $4.30 to almost $4.50 overnight and even my El cheapo no name station went up a dime.

PUG hasn’t jumped as dramatically but it’s creeping up.

tjc78

@qbrozen said:
My HOA is $400/mo. Not cheap but not bad in that area. The monster buildings have much higher fees. Seems like we're doing pretty good for just 8 units with a pool

The pool is the killer. More insurance and upkeep on the pool. Our place is only $400/quarter but no pool. It’s really only insurances, electric for the outside lights and maintenance.

When we looked at some larger complexes with pools it was more like what you are paying.

qbrozen

tjc78 said:

The pool is the killer. More insurance and upkeep on the pool. Our place is only $400/quarter but no pool. It’s really only insurances, electric for the outside lights and maintenance.

When we looked at some larger complexes with pools it was more like what you are paying.

Meanwhile, I will likely never use it. At least it is there for guests.

henryn

oldfarmer50 said:

tjc78 said:

I feel bad for those who need Diesel! I’ve seen it over $6.00 gallon here in NJ.

I just heard that over near Boston people are paying $7/gal. For heating oil (diesel basically).

That doesn't sound right at all. Heating oil is supposed to be cheaper, as there are no "road use taxes".

No. 2 heating oil and diesel fuel are essentially interchangeable. According to the NJ Division of Taxation, diesel fuel in NJ is currently taxed at 17.5 cents per gallon with a Federal tax rate of 24.4 cents, totaling 41.9 cents per gallon. In comparison, residential heating oil in NJ is tax exempt. Prior to October 1, 1993 some unscrupulous transportation companies were using home heating oil in diesel engines to skirt state and federal roadway taxes. On October 1, 1993 the federal government required that home heating oil be dyed to discourage this form of tax evasion.

henryn

explorerx4 said:

They got a little freaked out about how that could happen but I figured it was a form letter that wasn't completely filled out and had info from the previous owner they sent it to.

My story about computer forms. Back around 1999 or 2000, I had an ISDN line installed at my house. There was no DSL in my area, and ISDN was the best you could do. This was with Southwestern Bell, back before they merged into AT&T. After about 3 months, the ISDN service went dead and I called SWB to report problems. The person on the phone informed me that my service had been disconnected for non-payment.

We went around and around for a while, with SWB insisting they had sent me multiple past due notices, and me insisting I had never received a bill, never mind a past due notice. I finally thought to ask the woman, “What address are you sending the bill to?” She paused, and then started laughing. It seems they had been sending the bills and past due notices to “insert address here”.

kyfdx

fintail said:

I've also noticed record profits in many corporate sectors during these times of "increasing costs", what a coincidence.

oldfarmer50 said:

Has anyone noticed the sudden jump in gas prices this week? The rip off joint jumped from $4.30 to almost $4.50 overnight and even my El cheapo no name station went up a dime.

PUG hasn’t jumped as dramatically but it’s creeping up.

Any commodity based business, that owns large amounts of the commodity, is going to have excess profits during the time the price of the commodity rises. That could be an oil company, or a retail jewelry store. It's math.

If you have a big 401K, then when stock prices rise, you have a giant gain. But, when stock prices drop, you have a giant loss. It all evens out in the long run.

stickguy

qbrozen said:

My HOA is $400/mo. Not cheap but not bad in that area. The monster buildings have much higher fees. Seems like we're doing pretty good for just 8 units with a pool

I look at the HOA on a condo as part of the taxes. Add that to your property taxes, and compare to NJ, and it won't look as bad.

jmonroe1

@qbrozen said:

@tjc78 said:
Sounds like our 6 unit place in Wildwood. Luckily our neighbor runs that really well. Everything is disclosed and we get the bank statement monthly.

Everything is voted on too. When I moved in we all spoke and determined our insurance coverages were too low. The head got a quote and we all voted for the increase. Then we decided there was plenty of cushion to not raise everyone’s dues.

Same. But there is a line for me. Do I need to cast a vote for pool chairs? Folks can get in their own way sometimes. When I’m there, I just take care of things. I noticed some garage lights were out so I replaced them with LEDs. I didn’t mention it, didn’t call a vote, didn’t ask for funds. They wanted more cameras, so I put up a ring in my hallway and appropriated the existing Nest cam by the pool and connected to my wifi. Then shared access to both with everyone. No, I’m not submitting bills to be voted on and approved for payment. It is not worth my time.

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Since you’re such a giving person why don’t you stop by at my deck on your next trip to Myrtle Beach. It needs staining this year and a chase lounge or two. If I’m not there help yourself to some refreshments in the fridge. If I get advance notice I’ll even put a rib eye in the meat keeper.

Thanks,

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

fintail said:

I've also noticed record profits in many corporate sectors during these times of "increasing costs", what a coincidence.

oldfarmer50 said:

Has anyone noticed the sudden jump in gas prices this week? The rip off joint jumped from $4.30 to almost $4.50 overnight and even my El cheapo no name station went up a dime.

PUG hasn’t jumped as dramatically but it’s creeping up.

If a business has a 1% profit margin and prices increase, that 1% becomes a larger number. A business’ purpose is to make maximum profit for shareholders. If a business is being threatened with extinction why should they care to be compassionate any more.

I don’t like it but I can understand it.

oldfarmer50

henryn said:

oldfarmer50 said:

tjc78 said:

I feel bad for those who need Diesel! I’ve seen it over $6.00 gallon here in NJ.

I just heard that over near Boston people are paying $7/gal. For heating oil (diesel basically).

That doesn't sound right at all. Heating oil is supposed to be cheaper, as there are no "road use taxes".

No. 2 heating oil and diesel fuel are essentially interchangeable. According to the NJ Division of Taxation, diesel fuel in NJ is currently taxed at 17.5 cents per gallon with a Federal tax rate of 24.4 cents, totaling 41.9 cents per gallon. In comparison, residential heating oil in NJ is tax exempt. Prior to October 1, 1993 some unscrupulous transportation companies were using home heating oil in diesel engines to skirt state and federal roadway taxes. On October 1, 1993 the federal government required that home heating oil be dyed to discourage this form of tax evasion.

The story I heard was for people ordering partial fill ups because they couldn’t afford a full tank. I suppose that adds to the unit price. Most full tank deliveries are running $6. They were saying that 2 years ago they were paying $1.75/gal.

andres3

oldfarmer50 said:

tjc78 said:

I feel bad for those who need Diesel! I’ve seen it over $6.00 gallon here in NJ.

I just heard that over near Boston people are paying $7/gal. For heating oil (diesel basically).

Put on a jacket instead of heating the house.

andres3

Pools are money pits; especially if you live in a Fascist State like California where they can impose new codes on an old Condo without the benefits of being "Grandfathered" in.

fintail

Just don't lie about the reason behind it all - because you can squeeze the market for all it will bear, consequences be darned (eventually it will break), not just because of "costs".

Being threatened with extinction, a weird red herring, or the parasitic (due to 40+ years of broken tax policy) duty to provide for shareholders who in sum make up a small minority of the population, are distractions. We're in an inflationary period again, and those creating it are dodging the personal responsibility they love to preach and never practice.

oldfarmer50 said:

fintail said:

I've also noticed record profits in many corporate sectors during these times of "increasing costs", what a coincidence.

oldfarmer50 said:

Has anyone noticed the sudden jump in gas prices this week? The rip off joint jumped from $4.30 to almost $4.50 overnight and even my El cheapo no name station went up a dime.

PUG hasn’t jumped as dramatically but it’s creeping up.

If a business has a 1% profit margin and prices increase, that 1% becomes a larger number. A business’ purpose is to make maximum profit for shareholders. If a business is being threatened with extinction why should they care to be compassionate any more.

I don’t like it but I can understand it.

fintail

andres3 said:

Pools are money pits; especially if you live in a Fascist State like California where they can impose new codes on an old Condo without the benefits of being "Grandfathered" in.

Pools are like upside down boats.

fintail

It's not just commodities. These profits are a driver of inflation.

I dunno if it evens out, given our greatest-since-before-the-depression socio-economic chasm and sinking mobility. Maybe tomorrow it will start to trickle down.

kyfdx said:

fintail said:

I've also noticed record profits in many corporate sectors during these times of "increasing costs", what a coincidence.

oldfarmer50 said:

Has anyone noticed the sudden jump in gas prices this week? The rip off joint jumped from $4.30 to almost $4.50 overnight and even my El cheapo no name station went up a dime.

PUG hasn’t jumped as dramatically but it’s creeping up.

Any commodity based business, that owns large amounts of the commodity, is going to have excess profits during the time the price of the commodity rises. That could be an oil company, or a retail jewelry store. It's math.

If you have a big 401K, then when stock prices rise, you have a giant gain. But, when stock prices drop, you have a giant loss. It all evens out in the long run.

henryn

andres3 said:

Pools are money pits; especially if you live in a Fascist State like California where they can impose new codes on an old Condo without the benefits of being "Grandfathered" in.

"Fasicist" and California in the same sentence? I don't think I've ever seen that before. Not to make this political (not my intent at all), but California is known as a very liberal state.

source: Wikipedia

Opposed to anarchism, democracy, liberalism, and Marxism,[5] fascism is placed on the far-right wing within the traditional left–right spectrum

snakeweasel

mjfloyd1 said:

@snakeweasel said:

I know I have used that phrase here before.

It still doesn’t make sense

It's just a mixing of metaphors.

snakeweasel

mjfloyd1 said:

What’s the difference between an oral and rectal thermometer?

Well if you don't know.......

snakeweasel

kyfdx said:

Coyote has been spotted in our neighborhood, multiple times in the last two weeks. Some of the neighbors want to pay to trap it.
Good luck with that.

Also, Tuesday night, someone on our street had a car stolen from their driveway. They left the keys in it.

It's news when a coyote isn't spotted in our neighborhood. I have even had them walk right past me as I was relaxing in my own back yard not more than a few yards away from me.

snakeweasel

jmonroe1 said:

abacomike said:

@jmonroe1 said:

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That looks like a wannabe coyote to me.

jmonroe

When I lived in Palm Desert and Far Northern Los Angeles, seeing a coyote was commonplace. If you have a 🐶 🐩 🐕 or young 👧 👦, you always had to keep an eye out for them - similar to the problems we have with 🐊 here in Florida if you live near a canal or lake.

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You sure know how to pick places to live. I guess you moved to Florida because you’d rather be eaten by alligators than coyotes.

jmonroe

Actually a coyote will do it's best to avoid confrontations with humans.

snakeweasel

tjc78 said:

Story time…

So our small development has an HOA for the water basins and a small amount of community landscaping. It’s dirt cheap $50/ month and overall they don’t have much interaction with the home owners unless you want “approval” for an exterior change. The management company isn’t great and they certainly can be rude if you call, but they more or less do what they are supposed to do on their time.

A few people in the development are all upset that the landscaper quit and the common areas aren’t re-mulched and weeded. Now they want to fire the management company and start adding to the HOA responsibilities.

My wife questioned it on the Facebook group and mentioned that all this stuff would cost us extra money, required a vote, etc. People got all immature and rude. So now I guess we are the black sheep of the neighborhood. I’m crushed lol.

Why on Earth would people want to pay more for an HOA in a single family development is beyond me. Apparently there is a community Zoom call later in the month with the current management company. What a crap show that will be

Our HOA is about > $150 a year and it goes to pay for upkeep of the entrance of the subdivision. They tend to leave homeowners alone but do an easygoing policing of the subdivision.

snakeweasel

henryn said:

andres3 said:

Pools are money pits; especially if you live in a Fascist State like California where they can impose new codes on an old Condo without the benefits of being "Grandfathered" in.

"Fasicist" and California in the same sentence? I don't think I've ever seen that before. Not to make this political (not my intent at all), but California is known as a very liberal state.

source: Wikipedia

Opposed to anarchism, democracy, liberalism, and Marxism,[5] fascism is placed on the far-right wing within the traditional left–right spectrum

Not trying to be political either but if you were to actually study the spectrum you would find that Fascism belongs on the extreme left not the right. As you move to the right you have less and less government control with anarchy to the extreme right. As you move left you get more government control with more authoritarian systems on the far left.

jmonroe1

@snakeweasel said:
Actually a coyote will do it's best to avoid confrontations with humans.

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If only coyotes could train alligators to be like that.

jmonroe

henryn

snakeweasel said:

henryn said:

andres3 said:

Pools are money pits; especially if you live in a Fascist State like California where they can impose new codes on an old Condo without the benefits of being "Grandfathered" in.

"Fasicist" and California in the same sentence? I don't think I've ever seen that before. Not to make this political (not my intent at all), but California is known as a very liberal state.

source: Wikipedia

Opposed to anarchism, democracy, liberalism, and Marxism,[5] fascism is placed on the far-right wing within the traditional left–right spectrum

Not trying to be political either but if you were to actually study the spectrum you would find that Fascism belongs on the extreme left not the right. As you move to the right you have less and less government control with anarchy to the extreme right. As you move left you get more government control with more authoritarian systems on the far left.


Actually, I have studied the matter, and I did not find what you are saying. I quoted my source, do you have a source?

abacomike

I just got an email from Kirstie - they were able to "fix" the problem of signing into your account in Edmunds and Forums. I was just able to enter my username and password and get my PC back online here. Just thought you would all want to know about the fix!

abacomike

I just checked on the price of PUG at Costco - $4.49 a gallon (RUG is $4.09). That's the highest price I have ever paid for PUG! I noticed online that the gas station across the street from my condo community entrance is selling PUG for the same price - $4.49. Since my Discover Card has 5% cash back on gasoline this quarter, I'll buy my gas there because Costco only accepts VISA. So that will bring the net cost of gas to $4.27. I think it's a Valero station.

henryn

I noticed this afternoon that gas had gone up about 15 cents, now averaging about $3.83 to $3.85 for RUG here in Houston.

stickguy

it jumped quick. I filled up Sunday when I got home (and filled the mower gas can) and I think RUG was 4.05. Tuesday I drove by and it was up to about $4.30. I filled up the car today and I think it was about $4.45

there is a massive amount of profit gauging going on these days. Profiteering.