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stickguy

well, in tornado alley the sirens go off, people head to the cellar, and a few minutes later it blew through and they can come out to see what happened. Can't do that in a Hurricane .

not that either one is desirable. At least snow country, while the cold and snow might stink, is not likely to come in and wash or blow you away.

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

Back in 2009 I was seriously considering getting a condo in Florida as prices had fallen 50%. I think I missed my opportunity.

Same with me, except I was looking at post-crash property in Arizona. Problem was, all the bank foreclosures were cheap for a reason. Mostly cheaply-built cookie-cutter houses in newish developments with zero character and zero charm. An acquaintance living there advised caution because many of them had been trashed by the former occupants which was clear from the listing pics. Plumbing and even some wiring torn out, holes in the walls, just awful.

explorerx4

My next door neighbor is having a fence installed. Part of it runs along the property line.
There are unofficial stakes marking the property line stuck in the ground.
On the back corner one, I heard one the installers say "I had to move this one".
The city hasn't officially staked out the boundary, so I hope there is not a problem with that.

stickguy

don't complain, as long as they are close. You are getting a free fence out of it!

explorerx4

I hope the city or HOA doesn't give them a hard time when they stake the lots.

henryn

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Back in 2009 I was seriously considering getting a condo in Florida as prices had fallen 50%. I think I missed my opportunity.

Same with me, except I was looking at post-crash property in Arizona. Problem was, all the bank foreclosures were cheap for a reason. Mostly cheaply-built cookie-cutter houses in newish developments with zero character and zero charm. An acquaintance living there advised caution because many of them had been trashed by the former occupants which was clear from the listing pics. Plumbing and even some wiring torn out, holes in the walls, just awful.

A great deal depends on just "how cheap" the property is. I bought this house in 2011, as a HUD foreclosure. The house originally sold for around $105k in 2006, and I paid $50k in cash in 2011. It cost me another $10 to $12k to get the house ready to move in, but even at $62k it was a true bargain. I only wish I had purchased several more and made rent houses out of them.

explorerx4

One of my friends has a house on the CT shore. Just about all the sales in the last couple of years were turned into rentals(airbnb).

snakeweasel

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Back in 2009 I was seriously considering getting a condo in Florida as prices had fallen 50%. I think I missed my opportunity.

Same with me, except I was looking at post-crash property in Arizona. Problem was, all the bank foreclosures were cheap for a reason. Mostly cheaply-built cookie-cutter houses in newish developments with zero character and zero charm. An acquaintance living there advised caution because many of them had been trashed by the former occupants which was clear from the listing pics. Plumbing and even some wiring torn out, holes in the walls, just awful.

That's an issue with foreclosures, a lot of times the owners who are foreclosed on with trash the place and/or strip anything of value from the property.

ronsteve

The spectre of rising interest rates, along with the current bubble in trade in values, makes me think a lot more about replacing one of our cars sooner than later.

Of course mortgage rates have already jumped in a bigger way, so I am somewhat dreading the prospect of a job transfer in this environment.

driver100

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Back in 2009 I was seriously considering getting a condo in Florida as prices had fallen 50%. I think I missed my opportunity.

Same with me, except I was looking at post-crash property in Arizona. Problem was, all the bank foreclosures were cheap for a reason. Mostly cheaply-built cookie-cutter houses in newish developments with zero character and zero charm. An acquaintance living there advised caution because many of them had been trashed by the former occupants which was clear from the listing pics. Plumbing and even some wiring torn out, holes in the walls, just awful.

For some reason, the people who run and leave a house usually want to trash it before they leave. My B-I-L was looking at foreclosure homes in Florida. Looking back almost all of them were good bargains but many were left a complete mess. However, if purchased and fixed up, they'd sell for a lot more today...you could have more than doubled your money in 10 years.

roadburner

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

One thing that has really gone up is rental property in Florida. One friend had a place near North Port and he won't be able to rent it for the first time in over a decade....it needs repairs.
He was paying about $2500 a month for a 2 bedroom, nice pool and activities etc.
I was checking out places and it is hard to find anything you'd want to stay in for less than $8000 a month.
He may have to check Arizona for this winter.

Driver, I was just reading an article in the NY Times about how Ian may have done permanent damage to the real estate market in Florida, due to the cost of insurance. It's possible many middle class folks won't be able to afford to buy houses there.

I don't know if people will stop buying property in Florida. It may put middle class people out of the market but people from around the world are buying, and they can probably afford whatever insurance will cost.
I understand flood insurance doesn't necessarily cover you for hurricanes. The government may have to provide insurance....possibly at high cost, that homeowners can buy to provide some level of security.

Personally, the risk of having property there is worth the reward for me. Some people have a risk of tornadoes, some forest fires, some drought conditions, some like Buffalo have mountains of snow. I am wondering if house prices will advance since many people are looking for places to live now....I see one unit in our complex went up 10% asking price since Ian. But, the cost of seasonal rentals has skyrocketed, it looks like prices tripled in popular areas.....and that has caused increases in other areas too.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

You know I'd rather risk tornadoes than hurricanes. Hurricanes are huge while tornadoes are small and localized.

Not necessarily:
While both types of storms are capable of producing destructive winds, tornadoes can become stronger than hurricanes. The most intense winds in a tornado can exceed 300 miles per hour, while the strongest known Atlantic hurricane contained winds of 190 miles per hour.

However, the worst one is the one you are in the middle of

While tornadoes can generate insanely high winds the path of destruction is rather thin and mostly short lived. If a tornado goes by my house a quarter mile away there is a really good chance that my property will suffer minor damage or even none at all. In a hurricane I could be miles away from landfall and suffer complete destruction.

Not to mention hurricanes spawn tornadoes, no tornado has ever spawned a hurricane.

Exactly; a couple of large tornadoes touched down within 0.5 miles of our house and we didn't even lose a branch from any of our trees.

jmonroe1

@snakeweasel said:
Just buy an air fryer and a sack of potatoes and make your own.

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I’ve heard of people trying that but it won’t be as good as Lays.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

@snakeweasel said:
Working from home does have some advantages. My view out my back window.

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Now you’re even, that bird is working from your home too.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Back in 2009 I was seriously considering getting a condo in Florida as prices had fallen 50%. I think I missed my opportunity.

Same with me, except I was looking at post-crash property in Arizona. Problem was, all the bank foreclosures were cheap for a reason. Mostly cheaply-built cookie-cutter houses in newish developments with zero character and zero charm. An acquaintance living there advised caution because many of them had been trashed by the former occupants which was clear from the listing pics. Plumbing and even some wiring torn out, holes in the walls, just awful.

Yeah, I remember looking at a listing where they were giving a discount on one unit because there was a hole in the roof that the HOA couldn’t afford to fix. Another was for a $500,000 luxury condo high rise where the HOA fee was $5,000 a month because so many of the tenants had defaulted and those left had to make up the difference.

explorerx4

@michaell,
Maybe you'll feel better about giving up your ID 4 reservation after watching this YT video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXHB3nh547A

graphicguy

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

I’ve really slowed my house hunting. But, every once in a while (like a few weeks ago) something will spark my interest (like down where @kyfdx lives) and I’ll throw out a bid. But, I’m woefully out of touch with the real estate market. I guess that’s why I haven’t moved yet.

If you have cash, be patient. If the internet gurus are correct, the combination of recession and high interest rates will create a buyer’s market not seen since 2008.

That’s kind of what I’m thinking. I know I can sell my house….maybe not as much as I can sell it now. But, I’m OK with that. If I find something that isn’t crazy that I like, I’ll move quickly. Buying for over asking just irritates every synapse I possess.

explorerx4

Sometimes houses are intentionally underpriced in hopes of starting a bidding war.

stickguy

graphicguy said:

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

I’ve really slowed my house hunting. But, every once in a while (like a few weeks ago) something will spark my interest (like down where @kyfdx lives) and I’ll throw out a bid. But, I’m woefully out of touch with the real estate market. I guess that’s why I haven’t moved yet.

If you have cash, be patient. If the internet gurus are correct, the combination of recession and high interest rates will create a buyer’s market not seen since 2008.

That’s kind of what I’m thinking. I know I can sell my house….maybe not as much as I can sell it now. But, I’m OK with that. If I find something that isn’t crazy that I like, I’ll move quickly. Buying for over asking just irritates every synapse I possess.

so if the sell overprices the place when they list it, and take an offer 5K off, you would be happier?

snakeweasel

explorerx4 said:

Sometimes houses are intentionally underpriced in hopes of starting a bidding war.

That could back fire as a bidding war might not happen or it could not be bid up to a true market price. If a bidding war would bring it up well over market price listing it at market price would likely result in a bidding war.

That being said I see the house I want to retire to is back on the market. Too bad retirement is a little over 5 years away.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/323-Elm-Pl-Princeton-IL-61356/91350148_zpid/?

Michaell

explorerx4 said:

@michaell,
Maybe you'll feel better about giving up your ID 4 reservation after watching this YT video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXHB3nh547A

I'm a member of his FB group, and was well aware of the software issues that VW has had with this. The updates are now - finally! - making their way to owners vehicles.

This was another reason why we decided to cancel the reservation - it's hard to spend that much money on a car and not know if it will function as you expect.

We will sit tight for the time being. Nothing wrong with either the MINI (57,xxx miles) or the Outback (52,xxx miles) that would cause us to want to get something new.

ab348

I was out front yesterday trying to do some work on my front steps and in seeing people come and go around the neighborhood, I had a thought:

Subarus (esp the SUV varieties, but not exclusively) are the new Buicks for the older generations.

Discuss.

kyfdx

Absolutely. Especially the Outback.

Michaell

kyfdx said:

Absolutely. Especially the Outback.

Ouch. I was 52 when we bought ours.

Surprising how many younger folks also buy them, and add lift kits and a bunch of "overlanding" gear to them. Then complain about the gas mileage.

carnaught

What Subaru is doing for stray dogs, alone, is making me a fan.

fintail

Yep, in my neighborhood a Forester or Outback is very possibly driven by a 70-something retiree. I think other Buicks of the modern day, maybe the equivalent of 90s Century, are CRV and RAV4.

ab348 said:

I was out front yesterday trying to do some work on my front steps and in seeing people come and go around the neighborhood, I had a thought:

Subarus (esp the SUV varieties, but not exclusively) are the new Buicks for the older generations.

Discuss.

fintail

The overlanding gear is a weird virtue signal in Spokane. What's the point in being outdoorsy if you can't show it off?

Local gas price complainers are a couple with an overcompensator truck and a full sized leviathan SUV, live in a large questionable quality house miles from services or employment centers, drive Aiden, Brayden, Caiden, Draiden, Jaiden, Kayden, etc absolutely everywhere, and complain about fuel prices.

Michaell said:

kyfdx said:

Absolutely. Especially the Outback.

Ouch. I was 52 when we bought ours.

Surprising how many younger folks also buy them, and add lift kits and a bunch of "overlanding" gear to them. Then complain about the gas mileage.

Michaell

fintail said:

The overlanding gear is a weird virtue signal in Spokane. What's the point in being outdoorsy if you can't show it off?

Local gas price complainers are a couple with an overcompensator truck and a full sized leviathan SUV, live in a large questionable quality house miles from services or employment centers, drive Aiden, Brayden, Caiden, Draiden, Jaiden, Kayden, etc absolutely everywhere, and complain about fuel prices.

Michaell said:

kyfdx said:

Absolutely. Especially the Outback.

Ouch. I was 52 when we bought ours.

Surprising how many younger folks also buy them, and add lift kits and a bunch of "overlanding" gear to them. Then complain about the gas mileage.

Hey now!

Those who drive the overcompensator trucks and leviathan SUVs are the target demographic for the wife and daughters kids cooking studio. That, plus Teslas.

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

explorerx4 said:

Sometimes houses are intentionally underpriced in hopes of starting a bidding war.

That could back fire as a bidding war might not happen or it could not be bid up to a true market price. If a bidding war would bring it up well over market price listing it at market price would likely result in a bidding war.

That being said I see the house I want to retire to is back on the market. Too bad retirement is a little over 5 years away.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/323-Elm-Pl-Princeton-IL-61356/91350148_zpid/?

$69/sqft. Is a lot cheaper than around me. Must be haunted or have bodies buried in the basement.

You could buy it now, have an exorcism and then rent it out to make sure the spirits take it out on someone else before you move in.🧟‍♀️

sda

fintail said:

The overlanding gear is a weird virtue signal in Spokane. What's the point in being outdoorsy if you can't show it off?

Local gas price complainers are a couple with an overcompensator truck and a full sized leviathan SUV, live in a large questionable quality house miles from services or employment centers, drive Aiden, Brayden, Caiden, Draiden, Jaiden, Kayden, etc absolutely everywhere, and complain about fuel prices.

Michaell said:

kyfdx said:

Absolutely. Especially the Outback.

Ouch. I was 52 when we bought ours.

Surprising how many younger folks also buy them, and add lift kits and a bunch of "overlanding" gear to them. Then complain about the gas mileage.

I read this to my 20 yr old daughter, she laughed and said yep you nailed it! She says the current trend is to add lyn to the end of a traditional name, ex: Katy=Katylyn.

henryn

I think Subarus only sell well in those parts of the country where you would routinely need the 4WD or AWD. Around here, where it snows once every 10 years or so, not so much. Subarus are pretty rare in this part of the country, and the age demographic is irrelevant.

I am aware of what Subaru does for animals, and heartily approve, but that doesn't really motivate me to buy one.

driver100

Which do you prefer to be in, a hurricane or a tornado?
It's like asking would you prefer to be killed by a fire in your home or by a chandelier landing on your head.
Neither one is good if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

driver100

@snakeweasel
A beautiful house for $200K.
I don't think you could buy a garage around here for that much.
Actually I lied, I decided to check and see what I could buy for under $200000. This one is $199000 CDND

https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/24582131/110-rodeo-dr-hamilton-freelton

driver100

ab348 said:

I was out front yesterday trying to do some work on my front steps and in seeing people come and go around the neighborhood, I had a thought:

Subarus (esp the SUV varieties, but not exclusively) are the new Buicks for the older generations.

Discuss.

I read a little column in the newspaper and she said she just turned 60 and wanted a new car....and she was going to get a Suburu because all of her retired friends had one. I think the reliability, the large windows, and the all-wheel drive are big factors, and the reasonable cost. And, I heard a commercial on the radio that said;
"96% of Subaru vehicles sold in the last 10 years are still on the road today, more than Honda or Toyota brands."

We went to the rec center for pickleball this morning, and MrsD100 noticed there were 5 Hyundais parked in a row, and 7 of the 15 cars parked on that lot were Hyundai's. They are taking over the world.

kyfdx

driver100 said:

@snakeweasel
A beautiful house for $200K.
I don't think you could buy a garage around here for that much.
Actually I lied, I decided to check and see what I could buy for under $200000. This one is $199000 CDND

https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/24582131/110-rodeo-dr-hamilton-freelton

That's a mobile home. Is it in a trailer park?

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

@snakeweasel
A beautiful house for $200K.
I don't think you could buy a garage around here for that much.
Actually I lied, I decided to check and see what I could buy for under $200000. This one is $199000 CDND

https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/24582131/110-rodeo-dr-hamilton-freelton

Do mobile homes count?

fintail

Tesla is still a little niche here, unlike west of the mountains. I can see that demographic in eastside Seattle suburbs eating up your product (in fact, there was a cooking studio like yours near where I used to live, but I think covid gave it a short life, being in a laughably high rent area probably didn't help either).

Michaell said:

fintail said:

The overlanding gear is a weird virtue signal in Spokane. What's the point in being outdoorsy if you can't show it off?

Local gas price complainers are a couple with an overcompensator truck and a full sized leviathan SUV, live in a large questionable quality house miles from services or employment centers, drive Aiden, Brayden, Caiden, Draiden, Jaiden, Kayden, etc absolutely everywhere, and complain about fuel prices.

Michaell said:

kyfdx said:

Absolutely. Especially the Outback.

Ouch. I was 52 when we bought ours.

Surprising how many younger folks also buy them, and add lift kits and a bunch of "overlanding" gear to them. Then complain about the gas mileage.

Hey now!

Those who drive the overcompensator trucks and leviathan SUVs are the target demographic for the wife and daughters kids cooking studio. That, plus Teslas.

fintail

I would say so, if on owned land. I've seen some pretty nice modern MFHs, probably nicer than basic new stick built houses.

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

@snakeweasel
A beautiful house for $200K.
I don't think you could buy a garage around here for that much.
Actually I lied, I decided to check and see what I could buy for under $200000. This one is $199000 CDND

https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/24582131/110-rodeo-dr-hamilton-freelton

Do mobile homes count?

fintail

I don't want to be mean to kids, but I will snark on the parents. This has been a laugh point for me for years. Of course, I was born in the 70s and grew up in the 80s, when half the girls I knew were named Jennifer or Rachel or Becky, and the boys I knew were usually named John or Rob or Steve, end of an era.

Several years ago a co-worker brought in a list of her kid's classmate names for me to peruse. Different for the sake of being different, not sure if I would name my devilspawn Kash or Jezebel.

sda said:

fintail said:

The overlanding gear is a weird virtue signal in Spokane. What's the point in being outdoorsy if you can't show it off?

Local gas price complainers are a couple with an overcompensator truck and a full sized leviathan SUV, live in a large questionable quality house miles from services or employment centers, drive Aiden, Brayden, Caiden, Draiden, Jaiden, Kayden, etc absolutely everywhere, and complain about fuel prices.

Michaell said:

kyfdx said:

Absolutely. Especially the Outback.

Ouch. I was 52 when we bought ours.

Surprising how many younger folks also buy them, and add lift kits and a bunch of "overlanding" gear to them. Then complain about the gas mileage.

I read this to my 20 yr old daughter, she laughed and said yep you nailed it! She says the current trend is to add lyn to the end of a traditional name, ex: Katy=Katylyn.

driver100

kyfdx said:

driver100 said:

@snakeweasel
A beautiful house for $200K.
I don't think you could buy a garage around here for that much.
Actually I lied, I decided to check and see what I could buy for under $200000. This one is $199000 CDND

https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/24582131/110-rodeo-dr-hamilton-freelton

That's a mobile home. Is it in a trailer park?

There were only two homes under $200000. Apparently it is a trailer home, but they have all the amenities there, tennis, a pool, pickleball....actually sounds perfect for me. There aren't many trailer homes in this area - I guess we are supposed to call them prefabs, but one I think was grandfathered in, and the other is a nudist colony, not sure what this one is.

The lowest price home was in the same area. Also, no taxes but you lease the lot. This baby is $129000 if you are interested;



https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/24969487/89-grand-bend-road-freelton
Snakes find seems like a bargain at $199000.
(Note the shower at the side - it can be around zero in the winter, and the electric meter by the front door)

driver100

P.S. I should mention there are some properties listed for $1. They are on what had been a toxic waist dump where they uncovered old barrels of toxic waist. You get the property for $1 but you have to pay for the cleanup!

jmonroe1

@driver100 said:
I read a little column in the newspaper and she said she just turned 60 and wanted a new car....and she was going to get a Suburu because all of her retired friends had one. I think the reliability, the large windows, and the all-wheel drive are big factors, and the reasonable cost. And, I heard a commercial on the radio that said;
"96% of Subaru vehicles sold in the last 10 years are still on the road today, more than Honda or Toyota brands."

We went to the rec center for pickleball this morning, and MrsD100 noticed there were 5 Hyundais parked in a row, and 7 of the 15 cars parked on that lot were Hyundai's. They are taking over the world.

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Some get the word later than others. Even @abacomike converted.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

@snakeweasel
A beautiful house for $200K.
I don't think you could buy a garage around here for that much.
Actually I lied, I decided to check and see what I could buy for under $200000. This one is $199000 CDND

https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/24582131/110-rodeo-dr-hamilton-freelton

Do mobile homes count?

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That one doesn’t look very mobile to me.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

kyfdx said:

driver100 said:

@snakeweasel
A beautiful house for $200K.
I don't think you could buy a garage around here for that much.
Actually I lied, I decided to check and see what I could buy for under $200000. This one is $199000 CDND

https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/24582131/110-rodeo-dr-hamilton-freelton

That's a mobile home. Is it in a trailer park?

There were only two homes under $200000. Apparently it is a trailer home, but they have all the amenities there, tennis, a pool, pickleball....actually sounds perfect for me. There aren't many trailer homes in this area - I guess we are supposed to call them prefabs, but one I think was grandfathered in, and the other is a nudist colony, not sure what this one is.

The lowest price home was in the same area. Also, no taxes but you lease the lot. This baby is $129000 if you are interested;



https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/24969487/89-grand-bend-road-freelton
Snakes find seems like a bargain at $199000.
(Note the shower at the side - it can be around zero in the winter, and the electric meter by the front door)

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All the amenities? You more than most should know that putting lipstick on a pig doesn’t make it a Benz.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

P.S. I should mention there are some properties listed for $1. They are on what had been a toxic waist dump where they uncovered old barrels of toxic waist. You get the property for $1 but you have to pay for the cleanup!

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If it was such a good deal the city would have bought it.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

P.S. I should mention there are some properties listed for $1. They are on what had been a toxic waist dump where they uncovered old barrels of toxic waist. You get the property for $1 but you have to pay for the cleanup!

At least you know what you’re getting. There have been several cases in my state where someone had their business located on a property for years and suddenly the government swooped in and said it was a toxic dump from WW1 or bought a tax foreclosure and the municipality neglected to tell them it was a hazardous waste site. Oops!

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

explorerx4 said:

Sometimes houses are intentionally underpriced in hopes of starting a bidding war.

That could back fire as a bidding war might not happen or it could not be bid up to a true market price. If a bidding war would bring it up well over market price listing it at market price would likely result in a bidding war.

That being said I see the house I want to retire to is back on the market. Too bad retirement is a little over 5 years away.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/323-Elm-Pl-Princeton-IL-61356/91350148_zpid/?

$69/sqft. Is a lot cheaper than around me. Must be haunted or have bodies buried in the basement.

You could buy it now, have an exorcism and then rent it out to make sure the spirits take it out on someone else before you move in.🧟‍♀️

It is a lot cheaper than around me too. But it is in the middle of farmland almost an hour due east of the quad cities. It is the largest town in a county with a population of less than 40K people, so you don't get to high of prices. It might be priced to sell but despite what the description says it's in no way in or near the heart of Princeton, it's one of the last houses you pass as you leave town on US 34. Anyway if I would buy that house I would so gingerbread that thing.

Plus I do have friends who live in that town.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

Which do you prefer to be in, a hurricane or a tornado?
It's like asking would you prefer to be killed by a fire in your home or by a chandelier landing on your head.
Neither one is good if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The chandelier would more likely be a very quick death, the fire can be much longer and defiantly be very painfull.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

@snakeweasel
A beautiful house for $200K.
I don't think you could buy a garage around here for that much.
Actually I lied, I decided to check and see what I could buy for under $200000. This one is $199000 CDND

https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/24582131/110-rodeo-dr-hamilton-freelton

$200K around me will get you a sub 1,000 square foot one bedroom townhome. The home I linked to would be closing in on $500K in my neighborhood.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

Which do you prefer to be in, a hurricane or a tornado?
It's like asking would you prefer to be killed by a fire in your home or by a chandelier landing on your head.
Neither one is good if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The chandelier would more likely be a very quick death, the fire can be much longer and defiantly be very painfull.

But, you might die from smoke inhalation first...that would be better.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

P.S. I should mention there are some properties listed for $1. They are on what had been a toxic waist dump where they uncovered old barrels of toxic waist. You get the property for $1 but you have to pay for the cleanup!

At least you know what you’re getting. There have been several cases in my state where someone had their business located on a property for years and suddenly the government swooped in and said it was a toxic dump from WW1 or bought a tax foreclosure and the municipality neglected to tell them it was a hazardous waste site. Oops!

We had that happen too, and the current owner is responsible for the cleanup.