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driver100

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

I got an email this morning re:
Dealer is located in Florida. The Chevy Volt hybrid has 70,000 miles on it.

The $26, 853.99 saved on fuel, can now be spent on a new battery.


It is supposed to be true...but I don't know!

https://www.besthybridbatteries.com/products/chevy-volt-2016-2020-hybrid-battery

lI checked for the part number online and this is a remanufactured DIY install at nominal $7000
with option for a white glove installation at a specified shop in area for $3-500.

For once, snopes has a reasonably well done fact check
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chevy-volt-battery-invoice/

,
Great detective work. But there is still a lesson to be learned about this kind of new technology, it can get dated quickly, it can be expensive to repair, things can easily go wrong.

jmonroe1

ab348 said:

tjc78 said:

The way the media handles winter weather is seriously a joke. They overhype it and state the obvious over and over.

I'm afraid that someday it will be like the boy who cried wolf. There will indeed be something truly dangerous in store and people will be so desensitized to their reporting that most will ignore it.

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I agree. However, I have to give them credit because their predictions are a lot better than they used to be (not 100% better but better) but they don’t have to harp on it. I’m tired of seeing 3 segments of weather in a 30 minute news cast.

jmonroe

laurasdada

No surprises here, typical New England stuff: yesterday 55 degrees, this morning 14. Kept the heat on the last couple of days, just in case of power outage, but luckily none for us.
Went out to grab a pizza to enjoy as the expected Pats drubbing plays out. Not as crowded as I thought the world would be,, just threw on an extra layer, no issues.
Pats actually exceeding my expectations, they got a couple of first downs! Such a fall from grace.

Michaell

Great detective work. But there is still a lesson to be learned about this kind of new technology, it can get dated quickly, it can be expensive to repair, things can easily go wrong.

Wasn't that true of pretty much every technology, at one point?

I mean, we aren't using horse drawn carriages any more, are we?

I remember when my dad bought our first pocket calculator - I think it was around $100 back in the 70's.

tjc78

@Michaell said:
Great detective work. But there is still a lesson to be learned about this kind of new technology, it can get dated quickly, it can be expensive to repair, things can easily go wrong.

Wasn't that true of pretty much every technology, at one point?

I mean, we aren't using horse drawn carriages any more, are we?

I remember when my dad bought our first pocket calculator - I think it was around $100 back in the 70's.

Come to Lancaster PA plenty of horse drawn carriages. 😀

tjc78

Merry Christmas to all who celebrate! Have a great night and day with in-laws, outlaws, family and friends. May the beer be cold, the wine flavorful and the bourbon strong. 😎😎

carnaught

@imidazol97 said:
https://www.besthybridbatteries.com/products/chevy-volt-2016-2020-hybrid-battery

lI checked for the part number online and this is a remanufactured DIY install at nominal $7000
with option for a white glove installation at a specified shop in area for $3-500.
Apparently the replacement is a DIY process with careful instructions
they include. I'm sure most of the instructions is making all the wiring
safe for working on the battery.

For once, snopes has a reasonably well done fact check

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chevy-volt-battery-invoice/

As long as it is not political.

driver100

Michaell said:

Great detective work. But there is still a lesson to be learned about this kind of new technology, it can get dated quickly, it can be expensive to repair, things can easily go wrong.

Wasn't that true of pretty much every technology, at one point?

I mean, we aren't using horse drawn carriages any more, are we?

I remember when my dad bought our first pocket calculator - I think it was around $100 back in the 70's.

There is a time when you have to pull the trigger and go with it....you have to do that these days with computers, phones, TVs etc......but IMHO not with EVs yet.
I bought a pocket calculator when they first came out, it cost $40 which would be like $200 today, and all it did was add, subtract and multiply. Probably bought it too soon, if I waited 50 years I could buy one for $5, and it would do a lot more.

henryn

The first pocket calculator I saw in person was bought by one of my coworkers back in the 70s, and as I recall he paid closer to $200 than $100.

If you have a smartphone, you already have a very powerful pocket calculator. And if the calculator that comes with the phone (Android or iOS) isn't powerful enough, you can easily download very powerful scientific calculators. Just as you can pay a lot of money for a standalone OBD II scan code reader, or just buy a bluetooth attachment ($12) and download free (or very low cost) software on your smartphone.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

Michaell said:

Great detective work. But there is still a lesson to be learned about this kind of new technology, it can get dated quickly, it can be expensive to repair, things can easily go wrong.

Wasn't that true of pretty much every technology, at one point?

I mean, we aren't using horse drawn carriages any more, are we?

I remember when my dad bought our first pocket calculator - I think it was around $100 back in the 70's.

There is a time when you have to pull the trigger and go with it....you have to do that these days with computers, phones, TVs etc......but IMHO not with EVs yet.
I bought a pocket calculator when they first came out, it cost $40 which would be like $200 today, and all it did was add, subtract and multiply. Probably bought it too soon, if I waited 50 years I could buy one for $5, and it would do a lot more.

You didn’t have to wait 50 years, I remember getting one in 1977 that only cost $5.

venture

driver100 said:

Michaell said:

Great detective work. But there is still a lesson to be learned about this kind of new technology, it can get dated quickly, it can be expensive to repair, things can easily go wrong.

Wasn't that true of pretty much every technology, at one point?

I mean, we aren't using horse drawn carriages any more, are we?

I remember when my dad bought our first pocket calculator - I think it was around $100 back in the 70's.

There is a time when you have to pull the trigger and go with it....you have to do that these days with computers, phones, TVs etc......but IMHO not with EVs yet.
I bought a pocket calculator when they first came out, it cost $40 which would be like $200 today, and all it did was add, subtract and multiply. Probably bought it too soon, if I waited 50 years I could buy one for $5, and it would do a lot more.

If you would have spent the extra $5 it would have been able to divide too.

venture

henryn said:

The first pocket calculator I saw in person was bought by one of my coworkers back in the 70s, and as I recall he paid closer to $200 than $100.

If you have a smartphone, you already have a very powerful pocket calculator. And if the calculator that comes with the phone (Android or iOS) isn't powerful enough, you can easily download very powerful scientific calculators. Just as you can pay a lot of money for a standalone OBD II scan code reader, or just buy a bluetooth attachment ($12) and download free (or very low cost) software on your smartphone.

I'm sometimes surprised that people don't know to turn the calculator on their phone sideways to gain access to so many more features.

Then again, at some I am not surprised at all.

Michaell

venture said:

henryn said:

The first pocket calculator I saw in person was bought by one of my coworkers back in the 70s, and as I recall he paid closer to $200 than $100.

If you have a smartphone, you already have a very powerful pocket calculator. And if the calculator that comes with the phone (Android or iOS) isn't powerful enough, you can easily download very powerful scientific calculators. Just as you can pay a lot of money for a standalone OBD II scan code reader, or just buy a bluetooth attachment ($12) and download free (or very low cost) software on your smartphone.

I'm sometimes surprised that people don't know to turn the calculator on their phone sideways to gain access to so many more features.

Then again, at some I am not surprised at all.

Yeah, like I'm gonna need to figure out the square root of something.

laurasdada

Merry Christmas, may Santa qbrozen leave a car under all our trees!

venture

Michaell said:

venture said:

henryn said:

The first pocket calculator I saw in person was bought by one of my coworkers back in the 70s, and as I recall he paid closer to $200 than $100.

If you have a smartphone, you already have a very powerful pocket calculator. And if the calculator that comes with the phone (Android or iOS) isn't powerful enough, you can easily download very powerful scientific calculators. Just as you can pay a lot of money for a standalone OBD II scan code reader, or just buy a bluetooth attachment ($12) and download free (or very low cost) software on your smartphone.

I'm sometimes surprised that people don't know to turn the calculator on their phone sideways to gain access to so many more features.

Then again, at some I am not surprised at all.

Yeah, like I'm gonna need to figure out the square root of something.

Some day you may need more than addition and subtraction.

kyfdx

laurasdada said:

No surprises here, typical New England stuff: yesterday 55 degrees, this morning 14. Kept the heat on the last couple of days, just in case of power outage, but luckily none for us.
Went out to grab a pizza to enjoy as the expected Pats drubbing plays out. Not as crowded as I thought the world would be,, just threw on an extra layer, no issues.
Pats actually exceeding my expectations, they got a couple of first downs! Such a fall from grace.

Bengals tried to give that game back...

Michaell

venture said:

Michaell said:

venture said:

henryn said:

The first pocket calculator I saw in person was bought by one of my coworkers back in the 70s, and as I recall he paid closer to $200 than $100.

If you have a smartphone, you already have a very powerful pocket calculator. And if the calculator that comes with the phone (Android or iOS) isn't powerful enough, you can easily download very powerful scientific calculators. Just as you can pay a lot of money for a standalone OBD II scan code reader, or just buy a bluetooth attachment ($12) and download free (or very low cost) software on your smartphone.

I'm sometimes surprised that people don't know to turn the calculator on their phone sideways to gain access to so many more features.

Then again, at some I am not surprised at all.

Yeah, like I'm gonna need to figure out the square root of something.

Some day you may need more than addition and subtraction.

I've got Excel for anything complicated.

jmonroe1

@Michaell said:
Yeah, like I'm gonna need to figure out the square root of something.

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But it sure is nice to know how to find out what is meant when someone says, “that guys IQ is equivalent to the cosine of 90”.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

@kyfdx said:
Bengals tried to give that game back...

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There was a time when the Pats knew how to accept gifts. Hell, there were times when the Pats would just flat out take a win from you.

Living in the Burgh we know all to well what it feels like when you fall from the top perch.

jmonroe

Michaell

jmonroe1 said:

@Michaell said:

Yeah, like I'm gonna need to figure out the square root of something.

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But it sure is nice to know how to find out what is meant when someone says, “that guys IQ is equivalent to the cosine of 90”.

jmonroe

It's just easier to ignore a statement like that rather than try to figure out what they meant.

driver100

venture said:

Michaell said:

venture said:

henryn said:

The first pocket calculator I saw in person was bought by one of my coworkers back in the 70s, and as I recall he paid closer to $200 than $100.

If you have a smartphone, you already have a very powerful pocket calculator. And if the calculator that comes with the phone (Android or iOS) isn't powerful enough, you can easily download very powerful scientific calculators. Just as you can pay a lot of money for a standalone OBD II scan code reader, or just buy a bluetooth attachment ($12) and download free (or very low cost) software on your smartphone.

I'm sometimes surprised that people don't know to turn the calculator on their phone sideways to gain access to so many more features.

Then again, at some I am not surprised at all.

Yeah, like I'm gonna need to figure out the square root of something.

Some day you may need more than addition and subtraction.

Yeh, like algebra or trig...like how many times have I used those in my life?

benjaminh

Impressed with the performance on snowy and icy roads today with the new CrossClimate2 tires on my wife's CR-V. Temperature was about 10 degrees when we were on the alternately packed and slushy roads. Even backed out of our icy driveway without drama. These tires also are good with wet roads and in dry conditions, as shown in a Tire Rack 2-minute video. Below that an Uber driver who has 50k on his CC2 tires, and they look like they still have a lot of life left. Finally, there's a Michelin-sponsored test on whether a worn CC2 can be as good as a new budget tire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be35jqArjXw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QBfzc-IcwI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXOE1DpjQGg&t=559s

venture

Michaell said:

venture said:

Michaell said:

venture said:

henryn said:

The first pocket calculator I saw in person was bought by one of my coworkers back in the 70s, and as I recall he paid closer to $200 than $100.

If you have a smartphone, you already have a very powerful pocket calculator. And if the calculator that comes with the phone (Android or iOS) isn't powerful enough, you can easily download very powerful scientific calculators. Just as you can pay a lot of money for a standalone OBD II scan code reader, or just buy a bluetooth attachment ($12) and download free (or very low cost) software on your smartphone.

I'm sometimes surprised that people don't know to turn the calculator on their phone sideways to gain access to so many more features.

Then again, at some I am not surprised at all.

Yeah, like I'm gonna need to figure out the square root of something.

Some day you may need more than addition and subtraction.

I've got Excel for anything complicated.

Agreed.

I lay out things occasionally at the baseball field I take care of though and it's nice to have those functions in your pocket. It's also good to have for calculating areas to order materials.

The original point was that some don't know they are available.

With only a²+b²=c² and F=MA you have the tools to rule the world.

venture

driver100 said:

venture said:

Michaell said:

venture said:

henryn said:

The first pocket calculator I saw in person was bought by one of my coworkers back in the 70s, and as I recall he paid closer to $200 than $100.

If you have a smartphone, you already have a very powerful pocket calculator. And if the calculator that comes with the phone (Android or iOS) isn't powerful enough, you can easily download very powerful scientific calculators. Just as you can pay a lot of money for a standalone OBD II scan code reader, or just buy a bluetooth attachment ($12) and download free (or very low cost) software on your smartphone.

I'm sometimes surprised that people don't know to turn the calculator on their phone sideways to gain access to so many more features.

Then again, at some I am not surprised at all.

Yeah, like I'm gonna need to figure out the square root of something.

Some day you may need more than addition and subtraction.

Yeh, like algebra or trig...like how many times have I used those in my life?

Most people don't. I used them almost daily when I was working full time.

henryn

I did use algebra and trig in my work, and even on rare occasions some calculus. But I really used Fibonacci Trees and other balanced binary trees more than calculus. Things that I didn't learn in school, but were very necessary in my line of work.

benjaminh

https://www.autoweek.com/car-life/classic-cars/a41645618/volvo-beats-honda-for-all-time-junkyard-treasure-odometer-record/


https://www.murileemartin.com/JunkyardGalleryHome.html

stickguy

Princess made it to chilly Wisconsin. Finally left about 8:00 am and got into Chicago. They were tired but quite happy to arrive before festivities!

We drove to my BILs house. Roads all white from salt. And some places had huge piles. What a waste.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

Michaell said:

Great detective work. But there is still a lesson to be learned about this kind of new technology, it can get dated quickly, it can be expensive to repair, things can easily go wrong.

Wasn't that true of pretty much every technology, at one point?

I mean, we aren't using horse drawn carriages any more, are we?

I remember when my dad bought our first pocket calculator - I think it was around $100 back in the 70's.

There is a time when you have to pull the trigger and go with it....you have to do that these days with computers, phones, TVs etc......but IMHO not with EVs yet.
I bought a pocket calculator when they first came out, it cost $40 which would be like $200 today, and all it did was add, subtract and multiply. Probably bought it too soon, if I waited 50 years I could buy one for $5, and it would do a lot more.

And here I am sitting with an abacus on my desk.

snakeweasel

jmonroe1 said:

@Michaell said:

Yeah, like I'm gonna need to figure out the square root of something.

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But it sure is nice to know how to find out what is meant when someone says, “that guys IQ is equivalent to the cosine of 90”.

jmonroe

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snakeweasel

jmonroe1 said:

@kyfdx said:

Bengals tried to give that game back...

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There was a time when the Pats knew how to accept gifts. Hell, there were times when the Pats would just flat out take a win from you.

Living in the Burgh we know all to well what it feels like when you fall from the top perch.

jmonroe

Well at least you guys have a football team unlike we here in Chicago.

snakeweasel

benjaminh said:

https://www.autoweek.com/car-life/classic-cars/a41645618/volvo-beats-honda-for-all-time-junkyard-treasure-odometer-record/


https://www.murileemartin.com/JunkyardGalleryHome.html

Last time I got a taxi (actual taxi) It was a Lincoln Town Car with about 500K on the clock.

jmonroe1

@stickguy said:
Princess made it to chilly Wisconsin. Finally left about 8:00 am and got into Chicago. They were tired but quite happy to arrive before festivities!

We drove to my BILs house. Roads all white from salt. And some places had huge piles. What a waste.

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I’m sure you and your wife were very relieved to hear your daughter made it safe to her destination, finally.

It’s a good thing you didn’t try to plow though any of those piles of salt you saw. Since you’re now in @oldfarmer50’s hood it could have been one of his rusted out hoopties, and worse yet, with him still in it.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

@snakeweasel said:
And here I am sitting with an abacus on my desk.

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Don’t knock it, they at least work when the battery goes dead.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

benjaminh said:

https://www.autoweek.com/car-life/classic-cars/a41645618/volvo-beats-honda-for-all-time-junkyard-treasure-odometer-record/


https://www.murileemartin.com/JunkyardGalleryHome.html

Last time I got a taxi (actual taxi) It was a Lincoln Town Car with about 500K on the clock.

That 4.6L had to be one of the best Ford ever made. I wonder why they couldn’t throw a turbo on it to get the horsepower needed to stay competitive.

oldfarmer50

jmonroe1 said:

@stickguy said:

Princess made it to chilly Wisconsin. Finally left about 8:00 am and got into Chicago. They were tired but quite happy to arrive before festivities!

We drove to my BILs house. Roads all white from salt. And some places had huge piles. What a waste.

————————————————-

I’m sure you and your wife were very relieved to hear your daughter made it safe to her destination, finally.

It’s a good thing you didn’t try to plow though any of those piles of salt you saw. Since you’re now in @oldfarmer50’s hood it could have been one of his rusted out hoopties, and worse yet, with him still in it.

jmonroe

I’ll have you know that I only own one rusted out hooptie which is why I am so determined not to own any more.

I was going to suggest that stickguy bring a shovel and a bucket to take some of that excess salt home for his own driveway.

mcdawgg

@snakeweasel said:
My sisters Prius needs a new battery (a little more that 100k but is at least a dozen years old) and the dealership quote was close to $20K. That is what is keeping me from a hybrid or fully electric vehicle.

Others have shown about $3.5k to replace.

jmonroe1

@snakeweasel said:
Well at least you guys have a football team unlike we here in Chicago.

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Let me turn that around. At least Chicago has a baseball team. Here in the Burgh we haven’t had one of those for so long I don’t know if anyone other than me is still alive when that happened last around here.

jmonroe

explorerx4

@oldfarmer50,
Ever heard of a Terminator Cobra? Had a supercharged 4.6 back in 2003.

jmonroe1

@oldfarmer50 said:
I’ll have you know that I only own one rusted out hooptie which is why I am so determined not to own any more.

I was going to suggest that stickguy bring a shovel and a bucket to take some of that excess salt home for his own driveway.

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Years ago something must have crapped out on the plow/salt spreader truck the borough sent around because there were more than the usual number of small piles of salt on the streets in my hood. I remember seeing a guy with a pickup shoveling the piles of salt into it. At first I thought it was a truck the borough sent out but I was wrong. When I passed the pickup it said something like, “Ralph’s Snow Removal Service”. I doubt they could nab him for stealing because he was actually providing a service.

jmonroe

imidazol97

jmonroe1 said:

@snakeweasel said:

And here I am sitting with an abacus on my desk.

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Don’t knock it, they at least work when the battery goes dead.

jmonroe

So does my sliderule.

venture

imidazol97 said:

jmonroe1 said:

@snakeweasel said:

And here I am sitting with an abacus on my desk.

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Don’t knock it, they at least work when the battery goes dead.

jmonroe

So does my sliderule.


That's what you get when you turn your abacus sideways.

snakeweasel

@snakeweasel said:
Well at least you guys have a football team unlike we here in Chicago.

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Let me turn that around. At least Chicago has a baseball team. Here in the Burgh we haven’t had one of those for so long I don’t know if anyone other than me is still alive when that happened last around here.

jmonroe

Call me after your team goes 108 years without a World Series win.

snakeweasel

@explorerx4 said:
@oldfarmer50,
Ever heard of a Terminator Cobra? Had a supercharged 4.6 back in 2003.

You mean one of these?

venture

Maybe you guys know about this but it's new to me and pretty cool.

My grandson drew this picture


His Mom sent it away somewhere and they made this


Another view

jmonroe1

@snakeweasel said:

@snakeweasel said:
Well at least you guys have a football team unlike we here in Chicago.

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Let me turn that around. At least Chicago has a baseball team. Here in the Burgh we haven’t had one of those for so long I don’t know if anyone other than me is still alive when that happened last around here.

jmonroe

Call me after your team goes 108 years without a World Series win.

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Well, we’re probably halfway there but I doubt I’ll be able to call you when it happens. If you can stick around for the remaining half I’ll have one of my grandsons call you when it’s time to celebrate that occasion.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

@venture said:
Maybe you guys know about this but it's new to me and pretty cool.

My grandson drew this picture

His Mom sent it away somewhere and they made this

Another view

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That kid has talent and you cut grass. Are you sure you’re related?

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer50,
Ever heard of a Terminator Cobra? Had a supercharged 4.6 back in 2003.

I had the non supercharged version in my Mark VIII. That’s the reason I admire the engine but those terminators were very expensive hand built I think. I was wondering how it would perform with a modern turbo.

benjaminh

2017 Ford Ecoboost 1.5 engine failure at 30,000 miles. Past 5 year warranty. Cost to repair engine—$6300. Eventually Ford paid for the entire repair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwJoTLYyZGk

driver100

This site seemed to be pretty honest about an estimate to replace a Prius battery:
Generally, you’ll be looking at about $2,400 - $2,700 for a new Prius battery pack excluding labor costs. With parts and labor costs included, you should expect price ranges going as high as $5,000 or more.

Note the; "or more".
https://sellmax.com/blog/prius-battery-replacement-cost/
The other Prius was a rare older model.

venture

jmonroe1 said:

@venture said:

Maybe you guys know about this but it's new to me and pretty cool.

My grandson drew this picture

His Mom sent it away somewhere and they made this

Another view

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That kid has talent and you cut grass. Are you sure you’re related?

jmonroe

LOL. He just turned 5 and it's amazing how smart kids that age are now compared to us, or to me anyway, at that age.