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jmonroe1

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

Well you should not buy anything you aren’t used to without careful needs analysis, and a test drive. Goes for an EV certainly, but also an F150, miata, etc.

True, but now I will know something to really look for...how it steers and handles. I actually saw a Polestar today and it looked nice. I have no desire to trade in my car at this time, but if I needed a car quickly an EV would be worth a try......but, it sure wouldn't be a slam dunk car I'd buy.
This is the exact color I saw, and the exact view;

I've had the pleasure of driving a friends Polestar. It is a handsome vehicle, and he has the dual motor, so the 400+ HP version. Gets up and going quite rapidly.

Very nice inside, as well. Yes, the range is a little less than the class leaders, but I wouldn't necessarily take it on a long road trip without a lot of planning for recharge stops.

I like the horses, not so sure about less range with the AWD model. The range is only about 270 miles, and that means closer to 230 if you have to start looking for a charging station...and leave some juice in case you have to find another working charger.
Also, is 270 miles the real number, or is that 100% charged which you aren't supposed to do....80% would make it more like 220 miles.

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You friends car cost him a small fortune to fix because he was too dumb/cheap or both to get his car charged after repeated warnings.

The thing that surprises me is that Toyota didn’t have safeguards in place to protect the car from owners like your friend. It wouldn’t take much to make the car shutdown altogether.

Maybe EV owners should sue the manufacturers for not building in a safety system or two to prevent this type of damage and I’m serious about that because they can do everything else they want the car to do. Someone has to be the smart one about this because the owners damn sure aren’t. I can’t believe this isn’t fairly widespread.

jmonroe

Just a few things to keep in mind;
*My friends car is actually a Tesla.
*He came back from a long trip and it was a long day. He thought 5% juice left meant it was like a gasser....it says empty but you can still go another 30 miles....safety factor built in. And, the charging station was quite a ways out of his way...thought he could make it home and charge it there.
*My friend is a bright guy.....he has an important job working for a mutual fund company. He is like an absent minded professor type. He likes cars but is not knowledgeable like you are.
*Some people here think everyone should know everything about cars....some people have other interests as well. He is probably more of a typical driver....doesn't know a lot of details.
*He was going to buy a GM Equinox (tells you how knowledgeable he is (just joking) ) and when they said it could take a year to get one he filled out an application for a Tesla as a joke...but they said the model he wanted would be delivered in 2 weeks. So he went with it.
*At first he used an extension cord to juice up his Tesla....he said that could take 3 days....it actually takes about 22 to 24 hours. Then he had to get a super charger, $2500!
*How would a normal person know that if the car gets to 0..."zero" charge, it could blow a $2000 part? The thinking is like computers. Sometimes I need to fix something like the wi-fi to the printer....it can be tricky, unplug and plug in, turn on wi-fi, find the signal......it is easy for people raised on computers, not easy for people who started using computers late in life.
*Maybe the warning should have said, "You can only go 30 miles max or you could have serious and costly problems"

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If you buy something like a car and especially an electric car you should read the manual about charging. It doesn’t sound like you “bright” friend did that. Displaying a paragraph to warn folks like him won’t work. It would just confuse them. Like the saying goes…”you can lead a horse to water but …Folks like him should take a street car.

jmonroe

roadburner

stickguy said:

still, if you are driving a vehicle you should be expected to understand how it works and what you need to do about it. You get an owners manual for a reason. I honestly have no sympathy for someone that ruins their expensive stuff because they could not be bothered to look at how to take care of it. No different than people that trash their engines because they never bothered to check the oil, or know that they needed to get it changed before the no oil pressure light comes on. Or check their tires and get a blowout.

I can only imagine the number of "guys" driver100 would need to hire to do all that for him...

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

running the battery to empty is not going to blow up the car. I forget all the details you included but I seem to recall he did something dumb after that? Teslas run out of juice all the time and just get hooked up to a normal charger and refill so something in this story is odd.

still, if you are driving a vehicle you should be expected to understand how it works and what you need to do about it. You get an owners manual for a reason. I honestly have no sympathy for someone that ruins their expensive stuff because they could not be bothered to look at how to take care of it. No different than people that trash their engines because they never bothered to check the oil, or know that they needed to get it changed before the no oil pressure light comes on. Or check their tires and get a blowout.

I think you’re giving too much credit to the average driver. I was listening to an auto repair show on the radio this morning and one person called in and said she had a light on the dashboard. Couldn’t tell what light, just a light.

roadburner

I don't even refer to them as "drivers"- even calling them "operators" gives them far too much credit.

driver100

The guy had no reason to make up the story.....in fact I am sure he would rather not have told us about it.
Do you know how many pages are in today's car manuals, and 90% of the stuff you already know or will never need to know. Do you really read it from cover to cover? You'll never remember it anyway.
MrsD100 happened to read a part in her manual that said, don't leave your GLK for more than 6 weeks without keeping it charged up...it could be very expensive if you lose all power and you have to reset everything.
If she hadn't read that out loud to me...and she was just flipping through, I wouldn't have known.
My friend with the Maserati went on holiday for 3 weeks and when he got back it lost all its settings....the dealer got them back but if he had paid it would have cost $1000s. The dealer told him you have to keep it charged if you leave it for over 2 weeks!
My friend with the Tesla assumed that zero charge wouldn't be a problem. It's like a computer, if you aren't an expert there are a lot of things you can't possibly know about if your an average person.
Even if you read the manual from cover to cover...and I bet very few do, you wouldn't remember something by the time it came time to use it.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

The guy had no reason to make up the story.....in fact I am sure he would rather not have told us about it.
Do you know how many pages are in today's car manuals, and 90% of the stuff you already know or will never need to know. Do you really read it from cover to cover? You'll never remember it anyway.
MrsD100 happened to read a part in her manual that said, don't leave your GLK for more than 6 weeks without keeping it charged up...it could be very expensive if you lose all power and you have to reset everything.
If she hadn't read that out loud to me...and she was just flipping through, I wouldn't have known.
My friend with the Maserati went on holiday for 3 weeks and when he got back it lost all its settings....the dealer got them back but if he had paid it would have cost $1000s. The dealer told him you have to keep it charged if you leave it for over 2 weeks!
My friend with the Tesla assumed that zero charge wouldn't be a problem. It's like a computer, if you aren't an expert there are a lot of things you can't possibly know about if your an average person.
Even if you read the manual from cover to cover...and I bet very few do, you wouldn't remember something by the time it came time to use it.

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Speak for yourself and your friend.

jmonroe

roadburner

@jmonroe1 said:
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Speak for yourself and your friend.

jmonroe

Or as Douglas Adams said,
“A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.”

imidazol97

“A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.”

Yup.

Even a short trek out tonight on a Saturday night to return something to an area store and fill up the Cruze with cheap gas ($2.96) was enough to prove how bad many drivers are.

Two lanes turned at stoplight at end of interstate ramp. The lady in the left lane decided in the middle of the overpass bridge that she needed to be in right lane so over she came with a couple of blinks--never mind there was a car in that lane she almost bumped. There was Justin Moore: Hometown Heroes playing at the Rose outdoor venue and she was gonna get there, with a crunched Venza or not.

Returning on interstate I was blinded from the rear by one of the Sunshine folks with headlights that challenge the sun in brightness. He had his on bright beams otherwise a Camry wouldn't make it impossible to drive with him behind. I had to pull onto the berm to get him to pass. He didn't take hints of flashing brake lights, then slowing by 5 mph at a step that he needed to pass with the blazing suns. He must have weight in rear of car that raised the beams as well. He got off at the next exit. He had a phone up to his ear (illegal in Ohio).

I see cars with their brights on often in the morning on the way to get coffee. I see cars with no headlights on. Tonight a Chevy Cruze had no lights.

It's not safe to venture out.

driver100

@imidazol97
.....and those are the average level drivers....not even the worst.
Like they taught me at Driver Training Teacher's School.....80% of the people you ask, think they are an above average driver.

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

The guy had no reason to make up the story.....in fact I am sure he would rather not have told us about it.
Do you know how many pages are in today's car manuals, and 90% of the stuff you already know or will never need to know. Do you really read it from cover to cover? You'll never remember it anyway.
MrsD100 happened to read a part in her manual that said, don't leave your GLK for more than 6 weeks without keeping it charged up...it could be very expensive if you lose all power and you have to reset everything.
If she hadn't read that out loud to me...and she was just flipping through, I wouldn't have known.
My friend with the Maserati went on holiday for 3 weeks and when he got back it lost all its settings....the dealer got them back but if he had paid it would have cost $1000s. The dealer told him you have to keep it charged if you leave it for over 2 weeks!
My friend with the Tesla assumed that zero charge wouldn't be a problem. It's like a computer, if you aren't an expert there are a lot of things you can't possibly know about if your an average person.
Even if you read the manual from cover to cover...and I bet very few do, you wouldn't remember something by the time it came time to use it.

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Speak for yourself and your friend.

jmonroe

.......and then there are the guys who do their own oil changes....and forget to record it.
Everyone is an expert

roadburner

Then there are the Maserati owners who need to visit the dealer to get a fuse changed...

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

The guy had no reason to make up the story.....in fact I am sure he would rather not have told us about it.
Do you know how many pages are in today's car manuals, and 90% of the stuff you already know or will never need to know. Do you really read it from cover to cover? You'll never remember it anyway.
MrsD100 happened to read a part in her manual that said, don't leave your GLK for more than 6 weeks without keeping it charged up...it could be very expensive if you lose all power and you have to reset everything.
If she hadn't read that out loud to me...and she was just flipping through, I wouldn't have known.
My friend with the Maserati went on holiday for 3 weeks and when he got back it lost all its settings....the dealer got them back but if he had paid it would have cost $1000s. The dealer told him you have to keep it charged if you leave it for over 2 weeks!
My friend with the Tesla assumed that zero charge wouldn't be a problem. It's like a computer, if you aren't an expert there are a lot of things you can't possibly know about if your an average person.
Even if you read the manual from cover to cover...and I bet very few do, you wouldn't remember something by the time it came time to use it.

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Speak for yourself and your friend.

jmonroe

.......and then there are the guys who do their own oil changes....and forget to record it.
Everyone is an expert

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You forgot the story already but not the outcome. Where I come from you get an F for comprehension.

jmonroe

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

The guy had no reason to make up the story.....in fact I am sure he would rather not have told us about it.
Do you know how many pages are in today's car manuals, and 90% of the stuff you already know or will never need to know. Do you really read it from cover to cover? You'll never remember it anyway.
MrsD100 happened to read a part in her manual that said, don't leave your GLK for more than 6 weeks without keeping it charged up...it could be very expensive if you lose all power and you have to reset everything.
If she hadn't read that out loud to me...and she was just flipping through, I wouldn't have known.
My friend with the Maserati went on holiday for 3 weeks and when he got back it lost all its settings....the dealer got them back but if he had paid it would have cost $1000s. The dealer told him you have to keep it charged if you leave it for over 2 weeks!
My friend with the Tesla assumed that zero charge wouldn't be a problem. It's like a computer, if you aren't an expert there are a lot of things you can't possibly know about if your an average person.
Even if you read the manual from cover to cover...and I bet very few do, you wouldn't remember something by the time it came time to use it.

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Speak for yourself and your friend.

jmonroe

.......and then there are the guys who do their own oil changes....and forget to record it.
Everyone is an expert

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You forgot the story already but not the outcome. Where I come from you get an F for comprehension.

jmonroe

It wasn't a major event in my life but IIRC the engine in the Hyundai seized, and they wouldn't repair it under warranty because you didn't record or document the oil change properly btw...this happened about 8 years ago just before you bought the Wannabe and I have enough trouble remembering what day of the week it is these days. I believe it was a $5000 error...my friends error cost $2000 almost 10 years after your episode.

graphicguy

jmonroe1 said:

graphicguy said:

I’ve eaten iguana, calamari, alligator squid ink pasta, and lord know what else. All of it was fine.

But, pate, foi gras, or any liver for that matter, no way…no how. Don’t like the looks, don’t like the smell, and certainly don’t like the taste.

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You disappoint me.



jmonroe

That’s not the first time I’ve heard that.

I wear it as a badge of honor! LOL!

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

The guy had no reason to make up the story.....in fact I am sure he would rather not have told us about it.
Do you know how many pages are in today's car manuals, and 90% of the stuff you already know or will never need to know. Do you really read it from cover to cover? You'll never remember it anyway.
MrsD100 happened to read a part in her manual that said, don't leave your GLK for more than 6 weeks without keeping it charged up...it could be very expensive if you lose all power and you have to reset everything.
If she hadn't read that out loud to me...and she was just flipping through, I wouldn't have known.
My friend with the Maserati went on holiday for 3 weeks and when he got back it lost all its settings....the dealer got them back but if he had paid it would have cost $1000s. The dealer told him you have to keep it charged if you leave it for over 2 weeks!
My friend with the Tesla assumed that zero charge wouldn't be a problem. It's like a computer, if you aren't an expert there are a lot of things you can't possibly know about if your an average person.
Even if you read the manual from cover to cover...and I bet very few do, you wouldn't remember something by the time it came time to use it.

Most manuals are at least 50% hold harmless legalizee to protect the manufacturer from owner caused damage. Similar to all the stupid stickers on ladders and power tools. They are woefully short on practical information. The print is so tiny it’s hard to read. If you want to read it on line you have to set up accounts and register. Screw that.

I couldn’t even find how to do presets on the radio. I had to call the dealer.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

Then there are the Maserati owners who need to visit the dealer to get a fuse changed...

If you can afford one you don’t sully your hands with that kind of stuff.

fintail

roadburner said:

Then there are the Maserati owners who need to visit the dealer to get a fuse changed...

If any modern premium brand is going to have that issue, that might be the one. I've had the fintail for over 28 years and have maybe changed a fuse once or twice. Zero times in the 7 other MBs.

My 60-something year old cousin has a Ghibli - love at first sight for her, but her husband calls it the "tin can". They look good and sound great anyway, and to be fair, theirs hasn't been overtly troublesome.

fintail

imidazol97 said:

“A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.”

Yup.

Even a short trek out tonight on a Saturday night to return something to an area store and fill up the Cruze with cheap gas ($2.96) was enough to prove how bad many drivers are.

Two lanes turned at stoplight at end of interstate ramp. The lady in the left lane decided in the middle of the overpass bridge that she needed to be in right lane so over she came with a couple of blinks--never mind there was a car in that lane she almost bumped. There was Justin Moore: Hometown Heroes playing at the Rose outdoor venue and she was gonna get there, with a crunched Venza or not.

Returning on interstate I was blinded from the rear by one of the Sunshine folks with headlights that challenge the sun in brightness. He had his on bright beams otherwise a Camry wouldn't make it impossible to drive with him behind. I had to pull onto the berm to get him to pass. He didn't take hints of flashing brake lights, then slowing by 5 mph at a step that he needed to pass with the blazing suns. He must have weight in rear of car that raised the beams as well. He got off at the next exit. He had a phone up to his ear (illegal in Ohio).

I see cars with their brights on often in the morning on the way to get coffee. I see cars with no headlights on. Tonight a Chevy Cruze had no lights.

It's not safe to venture out.

Two Carlin paraphrases:

Think of how stupid the average person is, and think that half the population is more stupid.

Everyone driving slower than me is an idiot, and everyone driving faster than me is insane.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

The guy had no reason to make up the story.....in fact I am sure he would rather not have told us about it.
Do you know how many pages are in today's car manuals, and 90% of the stuff you already know or will never need to know. Do you really read it from cover to cover? You'll never remember it anyway.
MrsD100 happened to read a part in her manual that said, don't leave your GLK for more than 6 weeks without keeping it charged up...it could be very expensive if you lose all power and you have to reset everything.
If she hadn't read that out loud to me...and she was just flipping through, I wouldn't have known.
My friend with the Maserati went on holiday for 3 weeks and when he got back it lost all its settings....the dealer got them back but if he had paid it would have cost $1000s. The dealer told him you have to keep it charged if you leave it for over 2 weeks!
My friend with the Tesla assumed that zero charge wouldn't be a problem. It's like a computer, if you aren't an expert there are a lot of things you can't possibly know about if your an average person.
Even if you read the manual from cover to cover...and I bet very few do, you wouldn't remember something by the time it came time to use it.

Most manuals are at least 50% hold harmless legalizee to protect the manufacturer from owner caused damage. Similar to all the stupid stickers on ladders and power tools. They are woefully short on practical information. The print is so tiny it’s hard to read. If you want to read it on line you have to set up accounts and register. Screw that.

I couldn’t even find how to do presets on the radio. I had to call the dealer.

True, and how many people are going to go through a 300 page manual. They provide a manual so you can look up something if you have to. And then you can do it easier if you watch youtube, there it is actually being done. The manual has a lot of filler, how to oil your hinges, what kind of soap to use for washing the seats....who is going to waste their life reading all that.

driver100

fintail said:

roadburner said:

Then there are the Maserati owners who need to visit the dealer to get a fuse changed...

If any modern premium brand is going to have that issue, that might be the one. I've had the fintail for over 28 years and have maybe changed a fuse once or twice. Zero times in the 7 other MBs.

Perfect. I have driven cars for about 60 years, the last time I ever had to change a fuse was on my 1956 British Vauxhall Envoy.


And actually, if a fuse went in my $140000 Maserati, I'd probably have the dealer change it.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

Then there are the Maserati owners who need to visit the dealer to get a fuse changed...

If you can afford one you don’t sully your hands with that kind of stuff.

Exactly. The guy with the Maserati got a sales job with Levi's when they went big....and had a Corvette by the time he was 23 years old. Then he got involved with 3 partners and created a national chain of men's clothing stores that is still in business about 50 years later.
His time can be spent doing better things than changing a fuse.

stickguy

I don’t think I have needed a fuse changed in at least 35 years. Possible more, since my HS junker car days. Even then it was not common.

In terms of the manual, common sense should tell you what’s important. Presets, nice but not pressing. How to change a taillight bulb, look it up if you need it. But how the charging works on an EV, only IMO someone not too bright would not bother to at least understand that before they start driving.

driver100

British Study:

However, Bristol Street Motors was curious about them so they conducted a study which found that 60% of motorists didn’t bother reading their manual before driving for the first time. The study also found that a majority of people would rather get information about issues with their car from YouTube, the internet or friends and family.

However, 29% of respondents said they read their owner’s manual in full. That’s somewhat surprising as most manuals are about as exciting as watching paint dry and include sections on equipment your car might not even have.

It would take about 6 hours to read most manuals, an Audi A3 about double that!

roadburner

If ignorance is indeed bliss, at least one poster on here must be deliriously happy beyond their wildest dreams.

roadburner

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

Then there are the Maserati owners who need to visit the dealer to get a fuse changed...

If you can afford one you don’t sully your hands with that kind of stuff.

Exactly. The guy with the Maserati got a sales job with Levi's when they went big....and had a Corvette by the time he was 23 years old. Then he got involved with 3 partners and created a national chain of men's clothing stores that is still in business about 50 years later.
His time can be spent doing better things than changing a fuse.

The textbook definition of someone who wears a car instead of driving it.

roadburner

driver100 said:

And actually, if a fuse went in my $140000 Maserati, I'd probably have the dealer change it.

When I decided that my $148,000 (in 2023 dollars) E24 M6 was too slow, I removed the ECU and replaced the OEM EPROM with one that added @35 hp and derestricted the 155 mph top speed.
I had better things to do than be beaten by 911s at the Stoplight Grand Prix.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

The guy had no reason to make up the story.....in fact I am sure he would rather not have told us about it.
Do you know how many pages are in today's car manuals, and 90% of the stuff you already know or will never need to know. Do you really read it from cover to cover? You'll never remember it anyway.
MrsD100 happened to read a part in her manual that said, don't leave your GLK for more than 6 weeks without keeping it charged up...it could be very expensive if you lose all power and you have to reset everything.
If she hadn't read that out loud to me...and she was just flipping through, I wouldn't have known.
My friend with the Maserati went on holiday for 3 weeks and when he got back it lost all its settings....the dealer got them back but if he had paid it would have cost $1000s. The dealer told him you have to keep it charged if you leave it for over 2 weeks!
My friend with the Tesla assumed that zero charge wouldn't be a problem. It's like a computer, if you aren't an expert there are a lot of things you can't possibly know about if your an average person.
Even if you read the manual from cover to cover...and I bet very few do, you wouldn't remember something by the time it came time to use it.

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Speak for yourself and your friend.

jmonroe

.......and then there are the guys who do their own oil changes....and forget to record it.
Everyone is an expert

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You forgot the story already but not the outcome. Where I come from you get an F for comprehension.

jmonroe

It wasn't a major event in my life but IIRC the engine in the Hyundai seized, and they wouldn't repair it under warranty because you didn't record or document the oil change properly btw...this happened about 8 years ago just before you bought the Wannabe and I have enough trouble remembering what day of the week it is these days. I believe it was a $5000 error...my friends error cost $2000 almost 10 years after your episode.

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You cited 5 items and 4 of them are incorrect. I will give you partial credit for that one item because you need it. No school I ever went to would give you a passing grade for getting 1 item (with help) correct out of 5. So, like I said you get an F for comprehension. I guess that’s no surprise coming from a guy who admitted, “I have enough trouble remembering what day of the week it is these days”.

I suggest you go fix your sticking door and not try to cite facts that aren’t facts

jmonroe

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

Then there are the Maserati owners who need to visit the dealer to get a fuse changed...

If you can afford one you don’t sully your hands with that kind of stuff.

Exactly. The guy with the Maserati got a sales job with Levi's when they went big....and had a Corvette by the time he was 23 years old. Then he got involved with 3 partners and created a national chain of men's clothing stores that is still in business about 50 years later.
His time can be spent doing better things than changing a fuse.

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Changing a fuse takes 10 minutes at the most. So your friend wasted a LOT more time than that taking his car in for a fuse change and that’s a fact. So, in the end is your friend really all that smart with how he manages his time?

jmonroe

stickguy

Some fuses maybe. New cars have multiple fuse boxes and some are not easy to access.

The bigger issue is, why did it blow? Sure you can likely find it (with some research) and replacing is not too hard. But that doe not tell you why it blew because that should only happen if something g went wrong (a short maybe?) and the fuse was protecting the car. Treating. Symptom not the disease really.

More power to you if you can find the right fuse on a Maserati, and know why it blew and fix that too in 10 minutes without any proprietary tools or software.

jmonroe1

stickguy said:

Some fuses maybe. New cars have multiple fuse boxes and some are not easy to access.

The bigger issue is, why did it blow? Sure you can likely find it (with some research) and replacing is not too hard. But that doe not tell you why it blew because that should only happen if something g went wrong (a short maybe?) and the fuse was protecting the car. Treating. Symptom not the disease really.

More power to you if you can find the right fuse on a Maserati, and know why it blew and fix that too in 10 minutes without any proprietary tools or software.

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I would replace the fuse, then if it happened again, and it’s under warranty, I’d take it in and tell them that so I don’t have to make repeated trips to the service dept. Even I don’t want to waste time for no real reason and I don’t own a clothing chain.

jmonroe

stickguy

with your luck they will deny the claim because you messed around with it! Especially if more damage was caused.

when I have a car under warranty, I am not doing anything other than consumables maintenance (like wiper blades). Let them mess with it so my hands stay (figuratively) clean.

ab348

IIRC, the manual for my 2017 ATS is around 480 pages. I leafed through it but it is pretty dull reading with lots of warnings and sections that did not apply to my vehicle. I would be shocked if anyone read it and grasped what it was supposed to be saying. I know I have looked up specific things in it when I encountered things that were baffling me. Even then I usually remained baffled because the explanations I found were either nonsensical or unhelpful.

jmonroe1

stickguy said:

with your luck they will deny the claim because you messed around with it! Especially if more damage was caused.

when I have a car under warranty, I am not doing anything other than consumables maintenance (like wiper blades). Let them mess with it so my hands stay (figuratively) clean.

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I’d take my chances and claim if they didn’t want the owner changing fuses then they shouldn’t put fuse info in the manual. Fuses are a consumable protective device. I don’t scare that easily.

jmonroe

roadburner

When I decided that I was going to get a C43 I thought it might be a bit of a wait to find one that was equipped the way I wanted; so I downloaded the C Class manual and the AMG supplement manual so I’d be at least partially up to speed. I also discovered the Nick O'Leary YouTube channel which was also extremely helpful. If I buy a car with a lot of features and capabilities I darn well want to be able to utilize them.

oldfarmer50

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

Then there are the Maserati owners who need to visit the dealer to get a fuse changed...

If you can afford one you don’t sully your hands with that kind of stuff.

Exactly. The guy with the Maserati got a sales job with Levi's when they went big....and had a Corvette by the time he was 23 years old. Then he got involved with 3 partners and created a national chain of men's clothing stores that is still in business about 50 years later.
His time can be spent doing better things than changing a fuse.

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Changing a fuse takes 10 minutes at the most. So your friend wasted a LOT more time than that taking his car in for a fuse change and that’s a fact. So, in the end is your friend really all that smart with how he manages his time?

jmonroe

Sure but think of the croissants and lattes he got to indulge in while he waited.😂

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

Some fuses maybe. New cars have multiple fuse boxes and some are not easy to access.

The bigger issue is, why did it blow? Sure you can likely find it (with some research) and replacing is not too hard. But that doe not tell you why it blew because that should only happen if something g went wrong (a short maybe?) and the fuse was protecting the car. Treating. Symptom not the disease really.

More power to you if you can find the right fuse on a Maserati, and know why it blew and fix that too in 10 minutes without any proprietary tools or software.

The last time I had a fuse blow was in my 86’ Toyota because UHaul installed the aftermarket tow hitch sloppily.

When I was trying to diagnose a CEL on my cargo van I checked the fuses for the O2 sensor first. Chevy decided that putting the fuse box behind a bunch of pipes and hoses would give me a lot of enjoyment.

kyfdx

You guys know that the manual comes with an index, right?

oldfarmer50

kyfdx said:

You guys know that the manual comes with an index, right?

The index in my Ford manual was useless.

jmonroe1

oldfarmer50 said:

kyfdx said:

You guys know that the manual comes with an index, right?

The index in my Ford manual was useless.

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Kinda strange for a company who got the rep line of Fix or Repair Daily or was that Floundering Over Reading Documents?

jmonroe

roadburner

No spoilers, but I think that the Singapore Grand Prix was the best F1 race so far this year.

jmonroe1

roadburner said:

When I decided that I was going to get a C43 I thought it might be a bit of a wait to find one that was equipped the way I wanted; so I downloaded the C Class manual and the AMG supplement manual so I’d be at least partially up to speed. I also discovered the Nick O'Leary YouTube channel which was also extremely helpful. If I buy a car with a lot of features and capabilities I darn well want to be able to utilize them.

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It’s a good thing you got the C43 or that could have been like going to confession and not having any sins to report.

jmonroe

driver100

fintail said:

roadburner said:

Then there are the Maserati owners who need to visit the dealer to get a fuse changed...

If any modern premium brand is going to have that issue, that might be the one. I've had the fintail for over 28 years and have maybe changed a fuse once or twice. Zero times in the 7 other MBs.

Perfect.

roadburner said:

driver100 said:

And actually, if a fuse went in my $140000 Maserati, I'd probably have the dealer change it.

When I decided that my $148,000 (in 2023 dollars) E24 M6 was too slow, I removed the ECU and replaced the OEM EPROM with one that added @35 hp and derestricted the 155 mph top speed.
I had better things to do than be beaten by 911s at the Stoplight Grand Prix.

I'm impressed.

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

Then there are the Maserati owners who need to visit the dealer to get a fuse changed...

If you can afford one you don’t sully your hands with that kind of stuff.

Exactly. The guy with the Maserati got a sales job with Levi's when they went big....and had a Corvette by the time he was 23 years old. Then he got involved with 3 partners and created a national chain of men's clothing stores that is still in business about 50 years later.
His time can be spent doing better things than changing a fuse.

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Changing a fuse takes 10 minutes at the most. So your friend wasted a LOT more time than that taking his car in for a fuse change and that’s a fact. So, in the end is your friend really all that smart with how he manages his time?

jmonroe

Since he never had to change a fuse I have no idea what he would have done, but I'd rather the dealer do it on a $140000 car...he might find out why the fuse went in the first place.

So what is the story again about your oil change.......I think you don't remember what happened.

driver100

stickguy said:

Some fuses maybe. New cars have multiple fuse boxes and some are not easy to access.

The bigger issue is, why did it blow? Sure you can likely find it (with some research) and replacing is not too hard. But that doe not tell you why it blew because that should only happen if something g went wrong (a short maybe?) and the fuse was protecting the car. Treating. Symptom not the disease really.

More power to you if you can find the right fuse on a Maserati, and know why it blew and fix that too in 10 minutes without any proprietary tools or software.

Love it....right on....that is what I kind of said but you said it better.

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

stickguy said:

with your luck they will deny the claim because you messed around with it! Especially if more damage was caused.

when I have a car under warranty, I am not doing anything other than consumables maintenance (like wiper blades). Let them mess with it so my hands stay (figuratively) clean.

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I’d take my chances and claim if they didn’t want the owner changing fuses then they shouldn’t put fuse info in the manual. Fuses are a consumable protective device. I don’t scare that easily.

jmonroe

Maserati Levante 2023 Fuses and Fuse Box User Manual

Auto User Guide
https://www.autouserguide.com › maserati › maserati-l...
Jun 21, 2023 — Considering the complexity of this operation, we recommend having the fuses replaced by an Authorized Maserati Dealer.

roadburner

jmonroe1 said:

with absolutely no rhy
It’s a good thing you got the C43 or that could have been like going to confession and not having any sins to report.

jmonroe

I was actually extremely fortunate; I found that most CPO cars I saw online seemed to be optioned with little rhyme or reason, and there were several options I absolutely had to have. When my car showed up at the dealer I had been working with I put down a deposit almost immediately. Since I bought the car in December I haven't seen another with a similar option set turn up within 500 miles.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

Then there are the Maserati owners who need to visit the dealer to get a fuse changed...

If you can afford one you don’t sully your hands with that kind of stuff.

Exactly. The guy with the Maserati got a sales job with Levi's when they went big....and had a Corvette by the time he was 23 years old. Then he got involved with 3 partners and created a national chain of men's clothing stores that is still in business about 50 years later.
His time can be spent doing better things than changing a fuse.

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Changing a fuse takes 10 minutes at the most. So your friend wasted a LOT more time than that taking his car in for a fuse change and that’s a fact. So, in the end is your friend really all that smart with how he manages his time?

jmonroe

Since he never had to change a fuse I have no idea what he would have done, but I'd rather the dealer do it on a $140000 car...he might find out why the fuse went in the first place.

So what is the story again about your oil change.......I think you don't remember what happened.

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Why should I waste my time telling you again? You won’t remember it anyhow.

BTW, how’s your sticking door doing? I didn’t see anything about that.

jmonroe

roadburner

driver100 said:

Maserati Levante 2023 Fuses and Fuse Box User Manual

Auto User Guide
https://www.autouserguide.com › maserati › maserati-l...
Jun 21, 2023 — Considering the complexity of this operation, we recommend having the fuses replaced by an Authorized Maserati Dealer.

Maserati definitely has a handle on the aptitude (or lack thereof) of the people who buy their cars.
I checked my 2020 C Class manual and it simply shows how to access all 3 fuse boxes.
Perhaps you should look into wearing a Maserati.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

stickguy said:

with your luck they will deny the claim because you messed around with it! Especially if more damage was caused.

when I have a car under warranty, I am not doing anything other than consumables maintenance (like wiper blades). Let them mess with it so my hands stay (figuratively) clean.

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I’d take my chances and claim if they didn’t want the owner changing fuses then they shouldn’t put fuse info in the manual. Fuses are a consumable protective device. I don’t scare that easily.

jmonroe

Maserati Levante 2023 Fuses and Fuse Box User Manual

Auto User Guide
https://www.autouserguide.com › maserati › maserati-l...
Jun 21, 2023 — Considering the complexity of this operation, we recommend having the fuses replaced by an Authorized Maserati Dealer.

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That link told me nothing about changing a fuse in a Maserati or any other car for that matter.

Did anyone else get any fuse changing info from that link?

jmonroe

venture

I was behind an all black Corvette today at a red light. The license plate was MAD RUSH.

I was going to get a picture, but he was, well, in a mad rush and left too quickly.