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driver100

mjfloyd1 said:

@oldfarmer50 said:

We were delivering cars to White River Junction VT and our agent told us that they frequently rent cars to Hertz Tesla customers who start in NYC or Boston and then abandon their cars when they can’t find a charger. Hertz then has to flat bed their cars back.

With our own Hyundai EVs we occasionally get a call from a customer who has run the car down to under 5% and expects us to come charge it. I don’t think we have any buckets of electricity laying around.

So basically people are stupid? 😂

Most people aren't that knowledgeable about EVs. Maybe they rent them to try them out...doing their due diligence so to speak. You learn by doing....and it isn't intuitive.....they probably lose juice before they expected to and then they can't find a charging station....not everyone is an expert about everything. It is better that they call and ask for help....rather than run on empty. Maybe if they pay for a flatbed to take their EV away they'll be able to make a more knowledgeable decision before spending $60000 on a new EV.

roadburner

mjfloyd1 said:

@roadburner- they must have been running at Putnam Park today. We went up to see my daughter cheer and on the way home, I see a 911 with a “10” (in painters tape)on the drivers door…

Yes; it was a PCA event.

28firefighter

Okay here is a change of subject for you all. We’ve made the decision to do some home renovation stuff. Flooring, carpet, paint, and then redoing our kitchen. Nothing structural.

What are everyone’s thoughts on gas vs induction for ranges? It seems kind of odd to me, but apparently we’re supposed to “pick” appliances and then work backward to cabinet selection based on that. Our cookware is induction compatible.

Right now we have a wall oven/microwave combo and 4 burner gas cooktop. We’re planning to go to an island drawer microwave and 36” range where the cooktop is now but apparently need to decide on fuel type sooner than later. Thoughts?

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

laurasdada said:

In SF area for a few days. EVs (yes, predominately Teslas) everywhere. So many dead by the side of the road. Not.
How do they do it?! Probably by understanding what they are driving and using it as such.

With our own Hyundai EVs we occasionally get a call from a customer who has run the car down to under 5% and expects us to come charge it. I don’t think we have any buckets of electricity laying around.

I hope they don't run them down to zero juice like my friends.
Charging a Tesla with zero juice resulted in blowing a transformer or generator (or the technical term JMonroe uses.....a thingy) which cost $2000 to repair.

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Thingies I understand. It’s what’s-a-ya-ma-call-it’s that I never understood.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

28firefighter said:

Okay here is a change of subject for you all. We’ve made the decision to do some home renovation stuff. Flooring, carpet, paint, and then redoing our kitchen. Nothing structural.

What are everyone’s thoughts on gas vs induction for ranges? It seems kind of odd to me, but apparently we’re supposed to “pick” appliances and then work backward to cabinet selection based on that. Our cookware is induction compatible.

Right now we have a wall oven/microwave combo and 4 burner gas cooktop. We’re planning to go to an island drawer microwave and 36” range where the cooktop is now but apparently need to decide on fuel type sooner than later. Thoughts?

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Since you asked, I’d go with a dual fuel range before I’d go with induction because with induction you’re going to have to learn how to cook on the range top all over again.

jmonroe

stickguy

we are doing this right now for the new build house. To design the kitchen they need to know what configuration of appliances we want so they can lay out cabinets that work. This builder has gas run as part of the base price. My wife wants gas, and won't even consider electric for the cooktop. Oven she might, but sticking with gas for that.

we actually are getting a wall oven/microwave combo unit, but instead of a cooktop, getting a slide in range (because she likes to spend money!) Actually, she wants double ovens so we are doing this instead of double wall ovens (which take up more space and actually would cost more doing that plus a cooktop). Normally only needs 1 but will have her spare for holidays. Personally, I think it is overkill, but I don't get an opinion on this!

most of what I know about induction is it boils water quickly, but you need special pots/pans to work with it.

28firefighter

I should clarify. I’m color blind and generally have terrible design sense. I’m staying out of most of this with the exception of maybe this one decision.

laurasdada

In Sedona, AZ for the week. Renting from Thrifty. 113 degrees at PHX, they give me a black on black Chevy Malibu. Thankfully, GM AC is more than up to the task.
Not much to say about the Malibu, good trunk, comfy cloth seat. Engine sounds a bit agrarian and it's a long way from the driver seat to the door; can't rest my left elbow on the door, and when swung fully open, it's a very long reach to close it! Looks like GMs Playskool plastic is a bit better than I remember.
A pleasant, if a bit noisy at times, drive to Sedona.

Michaell

laurasdada said:

In Sedona, AZ for the week. Renting from Thrifty. 113 degrees at PHX, they give me a black on black Chevy Malibu. Thankfully, GM AC is more than up to the task.
Not much to say about the Malibu, good trunk, comfy cloth seat. Engine sounds a bit agrarian and it's a long way from the driver seat to the door; can't rest my left elbow on the door, and when swung fully open, it's a very long reach to close it! Looks like GMs Playskool plastic is a bit better than I remember.
A pleasant, if a bit noisy at times, drive to Sedona.

Enjoy! Hope you get a chance to try some of those restaurants I’ve recommended.

tjc78

@28firefighter
Gas cooktop and electric double wall ovens. I’d never go back to anything else. I'm stunned at how often we use both ovens.

At the shore we have a flattop electric range. I hate it. Induction is certainly better but IMO nothing compares to gas.

oldfarmer50

mjfloyd1 said:

@oldfarmer50 said:

We were delivering cars to White River Junction VT and our agent told us that they frequently rent cars to Hertz Tesla customers who start in NYC or Boston and then abandon their cars when they can’t find a charger. Hertz then has to flat bed their cars back.

With our own Hyundai EVs we occasionally get a call from a customer who has run the car down to under 5% and expects us to come charge it. I don’t think we have any buckets of electricity laying around.

So basically people are stupid? 😂

Not as stupid as the guy who stole one of our cars equipped with On Star so that the cops could be directed to pull up right behind him as they shut it down.

oldfarmer50

28firefighter said:

Okay here is a change of subject for you all. We’ve made the decision to do some home renovation stuff. Flooring, carpet, paint, and then redoing our kitchen. Nothing structural.

What are everyone’s thoughts on gas vs induction for ranges? It seems kind of odd to me, but apparently we’re supposed to “pick” appliances and then work backward to cabinet selection based on that. Our cookware is induction compatible.

Right now we have a wall oven/microwave combo and 4 burner gas cooktop. We’re planning to go to an island drawer microwave and 36” range where the cooktop is now but apparently need to decide on fuel type sooner than later. Thoughts?

If you like gas you might want to get it now before the government outlaws those appliances. Some states are already banning them in new construction.

ronsteve

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

that is what the trough is there for. Just wildly inconsiderate to not go down and move out once your car is juiced up.

If they are offering free electricity they should treat the gasser people equally and offer free gas - we actually pay for the roads to get to work and stores by buying gas.

I agree. I wonder if I parked at a gas pump and left the car there all day if anyone would complain. Entitlement I guess.

Speaking of entitlement, I was at the new Chick-Fil-A today and woman with a small dog in her lap (think Trixie) pulls in, obviously for the first time. The kids they have standing outside begin to take her order and I could see her having a long conversation with them. First she pulls out a credit card, then her Apple Pay and finally another credit card, all the while pausing to tell the kids some marvelous (to her) story. Meanwhile cars are building up in line until there’s at least a dozen. Dog lady doesn’t care as she just has to tell them another story.

After maybe 10 minutes she pulls up to the window but stops short so that when they bring my order first I can’t pull around her. I ask the kid to tell her to pull up and she does still yacking away.

I can only imagine how someone like that drives on the road with a dog on her lap and an entitled attitude.

On my way home from the vet Friday, with my cat safely in his carrier, I got behind a guy who I could see had a dog in his lap. As I turned left behind him, he was slow getting away from the light and drifted a bit across lanes. Of course, as I went past him a few seconds later, I saw he was also texting. Entitled indeed.

stickguy

tjc78 said:

@28firefighter

Gas cooktop and electric double wall ovens. I’d never go back to anything else. I'm stunned at how often we use both ovens.

At the shore we have a flattop electric range. I hate it. Induction is certainly better but IMO nothing compares to gas.

what is the advantage of the electric ovens? Not sure if my wife would consider those, or actually even know what the fuel source is (unlike the cooktop!) Better heating? cheaper to run?

this house actually came with an electric dryer, and I assumed that I would be told to ASAP get a plumber in to run gas, then buy a new dryer. Turns out, we like it. Works perfectly fine and our electric bill is not bad at all so if it costs more, not noticeable. Plus might cost less not having to run gas to the wall oven.

tjc78

Electric ovens are a drier heat that is much more temperature stable than a gas oven. We do notice a difference. Food is easier to get crispy and the broiler is fantastic.

When we moved into our new home there was an electric dryer already there too. The PO didn’t have a gas line run. I was pretty upset but it works well. We have gas at the shore and it does dry faster but it’s also a much smaller capacity unit.

tjc78

@oldfarmer50 said:
If you like gas you might want to get it now before the government outlaws those appliances. Some states are already banning them in new construction.

The house vetoed the bill earlier this year. Also many states have passed bills to prevent the local jurisdictions from banning gas.

It is not going to be a widespread thing. It seems like NY and some CA towns are trying to lead the way here.

explorerx4

Ohio declared NG as a Green(renewable) energy source, so I think we are good here for a while.

venture

stickguy said:

tjc78 said:

@28firefighter

Gas cooktop and electric double wall ovens. I’d never go back to anything else. I'm stunned at how often we use both ovens.

At the shore we have a flattop electric range. I hate it. Induction is certainly better but IMO nothing compares to gas.

what is the advantage of the electric ovens? Not sure if my wife would consider those, or actually even know what the fuel source is (unlike the cooktop!) Better heating? cheaper to run?

this house actually came with an electric dryer, and I assumed that I would be told to ASAP get a plumber in to run gas, then buy a new dryer. Turns out, we like it. Works perfectly fine and our electric bill is not bad at all so if it costs more, not noticeable. Plus might cost less not having to run gas to the wall oven.

People who do a lot of baking love electric ovens.

mjfloyd1

@28firefighter said:
Okay here is a change of subject for you all. We’ve made the decision to do some home renovation stuff. Flooring, carpet, paint, and then redoing our kitchen. Nothing structural.

What are everyone’s thoughts on gas vs induction for ranges? It seems kind of odd to me, but apparently we’re supposed to “pick” appliances and then work backward to cabinet selection based on that. Our cookware is induction compatible.

Right now we have a wall oven/microwave combo and 4 burner gas cooktop. We’re planning to go to an island drawer microwave and 36” range where the cooktop is now but apparently need to decide on fuel type sooner than later. Thoughts?

I’d let your wife (or really whoever does most of the cooking in your house) choose. You will never hear the end of it if you get an induction stove and she is used to NG…. Just sayin’

mjfloyd1

@driver100 said:
Most people aren't that knowledgeable about EVs. Maybe they rent them to try them out...doing their due diligence so to speak. You learn by doing....and it isn't intuitive.....they probably lose juice before they expected to and then they can't find a charging station....not everyone is an expert about everything. It is better that they call and ask for help....rather than run on empty. Maybe if they pay for a flatbed to take their EV away they'll be able to make a more knowledgeable decision before spending $60000 on a new EV.

Yes, people need to familiarize themselves with charging and charging locations before they try a new to them EV. You run out of electrons without making a plan to recharge, it’s on you.

It’s really not much different as running out of gas without making a plan to refuel. There are apps with gas stations and there are apps with charging stations but you have to be aware and watch your fuel / charge level and range left.

ab348

stickguy said:

what is the advantage of the electric ovens? Not sure if my wife would consider those, or actually even know what the fuel source is (unlike the cooktop!) Better heating? cheaper to run?

I just saw an oldish episode of This Old House where they were in a kitchen appliance showroom looking at options. The owner of the place answered that exact question by stating that electric ovens are preferable because they have less of a temperature swing than gas, which is why even many gas appliances have electric ovens.

Personally I cannot stand gas cooking. And as was mentioned, up here in Kanada they are looking to do away with the ability to but those.

sda

mjfloyd1 said:

@28firefighter said:

Okay here is a change of subject for you all. We’ve made the decision to do some home renovation stuff. Flooring, carpet, paint, and then redoing our kitchen. Nothing structural.

What are everyone’s thoughts on gas vs induction for ranges? It seems kind of odd to me, but apparently we’re supposed to “pick” appliances and then work backward to cabinet selection based on that. Our cookware is induction compatible.

Right now we have a wall oven/microwave combo and 4 burner gas cooktop. We’re planning to go to an island drawer microwave and 36” range where the cooktop is now but apparently need to decide on fuel type sooner than later. Thoughts?

I’d let your wife (or really whoever does most of the cooking in your house) choose. You will never hear the end of it if you get an induction stove and she is used to NG…. Just sayin’

Well said, ask me how I know..

sda

My sister replaced her electric range some years ago with a top line GE gas/electric model. She loves it. It does heat up her small kitchen a lot more than the all electric, however. When we replaced our range my wife wanted gas. Even though we could have a gas line installed we don’t have a practical way to vent to outside, only a worthless exhaust fan, recirculating through a carbon filter above the stove. A lot of noise and little return. The smooth top range is just ok though we do like the oven convection feature.

kyfdx

We've always had all electric, so...

But, we just finished our kitchen remodel. One piece electric oven/microwave combo, but both the oven and the microwave have convection. We've never had convection, even in the main oven, so that should be interesting. Until we figure that out, you can of course use them as normal oven/microwave.

We already had an electric cooktop. Considered induction, but as you mentioned, you have to have compatible cookware (we don't), and basically relearn your stove top cooking, as full heat is immediate, and cool down is the same way. We stuck with electric on the new one. I thought the technology was pretty cool, but didn't look forward to my wife's frustration, after 50+ years of doing it another way. (but, you're young!).

A lot of our choices were driven by not changing our kitchen layout, though everything was gutted down to the drywall. Our lower level is finished, and we didn't want to rip out ceilings. I will note that all electric cooktops are now 40 amp circuits. That involved running 100 feet of new wire, just for the cooktop. (plus some small ceiling repairs).

If your wife likes cooking with gas, I'd go with that. Of course, with a range, you can't mix electric oven and a gas cooktop, can you?

explorerx4

Went to the grocery store a bit later than usual and parked next to the cart corral.
When I was leaving another car was coming down the aisle, so I waited for them to go by.
I had stopped but turned to wheel more to make a tighter turn.
When I moved I heard a scraping noise. It was the pole at the end of the corral.
Didn't take a picture before I started cleaning, The rest of the door that you can't see had the rash you see on the right side of the pic.


Cleaned it with some bug and tar cleaner, then waxed it. Feel like I dodged a bullet.

tjc78

you can't mix electric oven and a gas cooktop, can you?

Yes you can. They call them “dual fuel”.

tjc78

@explorerx4 said:
Went to the grocery store a bit later than usual and parked next to the cart corral.
When I was leaving another car was coming down the aisle, so I waited for them to go by.
I had stopped but turned to wheel more to make a tighter turn.
When I moved I heard a scraping noise. It was the pole at the end of the corral.
Didn't take a picture before I started cleaning, The rest of the door that you can't see had the rash you see on the right side of the pic.

Cleaned it with some bug and tar cleaner, then waxed it. Feel like I dodged a bullet.

Wow like it never happened.

Not sure if I told this, but when the XC was brand new my wife did essentially the same thing. She ripped the paint off the plastic wheel well trim and the door looked like it needed to be painted.

Took it to the body shop and the estimator agreed. It was gonna be around $1000. Came back to pick up the car and he tells me $350. I said huh? You told me $1000. He then goes on to say the body guy was able to cut and buff the door. They took off the trim piece and painted off the car.

The body guy got a nice tip. I don’t know how he did it. You could feel the scratches.

28firefighter

I get a say in this because I do the majority of the cooking during the week now. Our cookware is 100% compatible (already tried and tested) so no worries on that. Agree on the learning curve though.

We’ve had the double oven debate but I just don’t feel strongly enough that we’d use it - maybe once a year. The bigger challenge we have is that our one wall oven now is way way way too small. I also want the electric convection for all the reasons @tjc78 noted, so we’re looking at either dual fuel or all electric.

driver100

If you have an electric car to save fossil fuels you should also buy an electric stove

kyfdx

28firefighter said:

I get a say in this because I do the majority of the cooking during the week now. Our cookware is 100% compatible (already tried and tested) so no worries on that. Agree on the learning curve though.

We’ve had the double oven debate but I just don’t feel strongly enough that we’d use it - maybe once a year. The bigger challenge we have is that our one wall oven now is way way way too small. I also want the electric convection for all the reasons @tjc78 noted, so we’re looking at either dual fuel or all electric.

We had a 30" cabinet with a 27" oven, before. Now, a 33" cabinet with a 30" oven. It looks a lot bigger. All theoretical, at this point, because we've only used the microwave, since they finished on Thursday.

The new electric cooktops really heat fast, though. The safety thing with instant cooling is one of the best parts of induction, but I'm not sure it's worth the extra money/hassle. (I'm sure it isn't, for us).

We had a downdraft cooktop, before, but now we have a pretty stainless steel hood.

tjc78

One of the best things about induction is the cooktops are easier to keep clean. The food and oils don’t burn onto the surface the way a traditional glass top does.

Keeping a glass cooktop really clean and sparkling is a major pain.

ab348

kyfdx said:

We've always had all electric, so...

But, we just finished our kitchen remodel. One piece electric oven/microwave combo, but both the oven and the microwave have convection. We've never had convection, even in the main oven, so that should be interesting. Until we figure that out, you can of course use them as normal oven/microwave.

I'm out of the loop on this since I haven't looked at cooking appliances for a while, but how can a microwave have convection? Are you saying it has a heating element in there too?

jmonroe1

mjfloyd1 said:

@driver100 said:

Most people aren't that knowledgeable about EVs. Maybe they rent them to try them out...doing their due diligence so to speak. You learn by doing....and it isn't intuitive.....they probably lose juice before they expected to and then they can't find a charging station....not everyone is an expert about everything. It is better that they call and ask for help....rather than run on empty. Maybe if they pay for a flatbed to take their EV away they'll be able to make a more knowledgeable decision before spending $60000 on a new EV.

Yes, people need to familiarize themselves with charging and charging locations before they try a new to them EV. You run out of electrons without making a plan to recharge, it’s on you.

It’s really not much different as running out of gas without making a plan to refuel. There are apps with gas stations and there are apps with charging stations but you have to be aware and watch your fuel / charge level and range left.

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I’d say it’s a LOT different owning an EV than an ICE car. Even if I was dopey enough to not notice how much gas I have in my tank and the gas light comes on, most ICE cars can go at least 30 miles if driven responsibly before you run out pf gas. That’s more than likely enough to get to a gas station. I don’t think finding a charging station far from home within 30 miles will happen under those conditions and even if there was a charging station within 30 miles, I wouldn’t want to live with that anxiety.

When I set out to drive anywhere, the last thing I want to do is plan my refueling stops. I’ve been driving waaaay too long to start changing how I go about driving.

Like I’ve said before, when I can trip over charging stations like I can with gas stations, I’m getting closer to buying an EV.

jmonroe

sda

Convection typically consists of a fan that circulates the heated air around the oven interior. I guess in a microwave it circulates the heat given off what is being ‘waved’.

ab348

Getting back on topic of appliance purchasing , yesterday my 13 year-old LG dryer decided to throw a tantrum. It just would not work, saying the filter needed to be cleaned, which it did not. That led to a bunch of internet sleuthing which revealed this is a common problem, but the solution was nebulous. Of course, I was sitting here with 2 loads of wet clothes that had just been washed so I needed to do something. That led to an inspection of the vent outside, which was clear, and the vent hose inside which was difficult to check because the contractor who re-did the laundry room 5 years ago used foil tape on every connection. Removing that caused damage to one of the flexible vents which meant a trip to the store for replacements and new tape. In any event, that chewed up a few hours and no problem was ever discovered there.

I finally found a way to reset the dryer to get it to sort of work, although it seemed to lose a bunch of features like the ending chime and the display panel. I concluded that one of the circuit boards had left the premises. I figured that given its age it probably didn't owe me much and since the display panel on the washer had also checked out a few years ago, that I mitaswell let some of the moths escape my wallet and get new units. So I just came back from Best Buy where I begrudgingly bought a new LG washer and dryer pair. Should be here in about 2 weeks.

Sure is different buying major appliances these days. The last time I did was a while ago, and I went to Sears (RIP) and Hudson's Bay (who no longer sell them). Now it's places like BB and HD. BB offered the best deal so I went there although this is like maybe the 3rd thing I've ever bought there in my life. You'd think there would be a niche market for these things that offers a full-service experience but we don't seem to have that locally.

kyfdx

sda said:

Convection typically consists of a fan that circulates the heated air around the oven interior. I guess in a microwave it circulates the heat given off what is being ‘waved’.

This right here....a fan in the back of the microwave.

We haven't used it, yet. So, no info on practical application.

kyfdx

Washer/Dryer.. Our dryers seem to last forever. We have LG, and I replaced the washer after about 8 years, but the dryer is still going strong.

mjfloyd1

@jmonroe1 said:
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I’d say it’s a LOT different owning an EV than an ICE car. Even if I was dopey enough to not notice how much gas I have in my tank and the gas light comes on, most ICE cars can go at least 30 miles if driven responsibly before you run out pf gas. That’s more than likely enough to get to a gas station. I don’t think finding a charging station far from home within 30 miles will happen under those conditions and even if there was a charging station within 30 miles, I wouldn’t want to live with that anxiety.

When I set out to drive anywhere, the last thing I want to do is plan my refueling stops. I’ve been driving waaaay too long to start changing how I go about driving.

Like I’ve said before, when I can trip over charging stations like I can with gas stations, I’m getting closer to buying an EV.

jmonroe

I agree they are different. Personal responsibility dictates that you know that they are different and act accordingly.

mjfloyd1

Induction stove tops seem to be all the rage currently

mjfloyd1

@explorerx4 - good job on the damage control

ab348

sda said:

Convection typically consists of a fan that circulates the heated air around the oven interior. I guess in a microwave it circulates the heat given off what is being ‘waved’.

Wouldn't that cool the thing being cooked? There isn't hot air inside a microwave.

jmonroe1

kyfdx said:

Washer/Dryer.. Our dryers seem to last forever. We have LG, and I replaced the washer after about 8 years, but the dryer is still going strong.

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How can you live with a mismatched washer and dryer set? We’re living with that right now. I’m not going to jinx myself by telling you how old those different aged appliances are.

BTW, it’s very easy to live with the mismatched set we have now since they’re both white. I told you guys about the avocado green dryer we had for a while that lived with a white washer. That was pretty unique but Mrs. j got used to it.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

mjfloyd1 said:

@jmonroe1 said:

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I’d say it’s a LOT different owning an EV than an ICE car. Even if I was dopey enough to not notice how much gas I have in my tank and the gas light comes on, most ICE cars can go at least 30 miles if driven responsibly before you run out pf gas. That’s more than likely enough to get to a gas station. I don’t think finding a charging station far from home within 30 miles will happen under those conditions and even if there was a charging station within 30 miles, I wouldn’t want to live with that anxiety.

When I set out to drive anywhere, the last thing I want to do is plan my refueling stops. I’ve been driving waaaay too long to start changing how I go about driving.

Like I’ve said before, when I can trip over charging stations like I can with gas stations, I’m getting closer to buying an EV.

jmonroe

I agree they are different. Personal responsibility dictates that you know that they are different and act accordingly.

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I know that and that’s exactly what I said I don’t want to live with.

jmonroe

stickguy

If I went to the store and the only spot was next to the cart corral, I would just turn around and go home. I would not park near one of those under any circumstances!

stickguy

thanks for all the info on ovens. Wife appreciated it. she was already thinking electric anyway, so we will definitely do that for the wall unit. Probably stay with the gas range oven, unless the dual fuel option if cost effective.

and yes, she will probably only use one of them 99% of the time, so we will be spending X thousands of $ for her to have a spare oven on Thanksgiving.

jmonroe1

ab348 said:

sda said:

Convection typically consists of a fan that circulates the heated air around the oven interior. I guess in a microwave it circulates the heat given off what is being ‘waved’.

Wouldn't that cool the thing being cooked? There isn't hot air inside a microwave.

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There is warm air in a microwave. The warm air comes from the food being cooked. I think the theory is that moving the warm air around allows the food to cook more evenly.

Personally I think it’s a gimmick and I’d never pay extra for it in a microwave since a microwave is very small so the air temp is relatively they same. However I would with a conventional oven, whether it is gas or electric, because the volume of air is much greater in an oven and mixing it via a fan helps to even the temp in the oven.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

stickguy said:

thanks for all the info on ovens. Wife appreciated it. she was already thinking electric anyway, so we will definitely do that for the wall unit. Probably stay with the gas range oven, unless the dual fuel option if cost effective.

and yes, she will probably only use one of them 99% of the time, so we will be spending X thousands of $ for her to have a spare oven on Thanksgiving.

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You could always do what Mrs. j has done the last few years and that is allow someone else to do Thanksgiving. Of course she has the advantage over Mrs. @stickguy since she has 2 daughter in laws. It took her a couple years to get used to that but she’s fully in the groove now.

I also agree about the cart corral. I don’t go anywhere near those things until I return my cart and most of the time I let Mrs. j do that.

jmonroe

stickguy

I have suggested that idea (let someone else do it) which in this case, means our son. He does have a house, and is getting married next summer. He does a lot of cooking and they could handle it (and in our family, many people pitch in to help). Biggest drawback is their house and kitchen are a little small for it, but they are antsy to upgrade that soon too. In a couple of years if they buy a new one more suited, we can have that discussion!

I don't mind hosting turkey day. At least I don't have to worry about driving anywhere!

ab348

jmonroe1 said:

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There is warm air in a microwave. The warm air comes from the food being cooked. I think the theory is that moving the warm air around allows the food to cook more evenly.

So, I did some research, and that isn't it. They actually have a 1400 watt or so heating element in them with the fan to make it into a convection or air fryer type of device, plus the usual microwave cooking components. The Maytag site gave the most info I found, with the warning to watch your food carefully as it cooked if you used both parts simultaneously to ensure it didn't burn up. Seems safe.

stickguy

our last house had a convection oven. I think we used it a couple of times. Wife did not really care for it, or see much of a benefit to using it.