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  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592

    In Lake Geneva, WI now and saw this:

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    Need help from a DIYer:
    The front door is a solid steel door. A few winters ago the door stuck along the bottom, only when it was cold out.
    A friend suggested tightening the 3 screws that hold the door in place.....that go into the frame.
    That worked for a while, and last winter it got stuck again....time to fix it before the winter.
    One guy suggested using a washer on top of the hinge I think, that would raise the door...not sure if that is going to work.
    I read online to buy screws that are 3 inches long, and use those.
    Another online suggestion was to buy slightly thicker screws....not sure about that.
    Some say to tighten the plate at the bottom...but I don't think it is that because it did get better for a while when the screws were tightened. That might mean it sags in the cold weather...hmmmmm.
    All suggestions are appreciated.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    Need help from a DIYer

    In Lake Geneva, WI now and saw this:

    Well, its got the nice big windows that I like, and fairly flat sides in some places. It looks like it was a Bell Telephone car judging by the paint job.
    Obviously an old Citroen

    ....and the owners are probably Episcopalians judging by the sign behind the car.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,396
    driver100 said:

    Need help from a DIYer:
    The front door is a solid steel door. A few winters ago the door stuck along the bottom, only when it was cold out.
    A friend suggested tightening the 3 screws that hold the door in place.....that go into the frame.
    That worked for a while, and last winter it got stuck again....time to fix it before the winter.
    One guy suggested using a washer on top of the hinge I think, that would raise the door...not sure if that is going to work.
    I read online to buy screws that are 3 inches long, and use those.
    Another online suggestion was to buy slightly thicker screws....not sure about that.
    Some say to tighten the plate at the bottom...but I don't think it is that because it did get better for a while when the screws were tightened. That might mean it sags in the cold weather...hmmmmm.
    All suggestions are appreciated.

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    I’m pretty sure we talked about this once before.

    First off you have to make sure the door frame is square and plumb in the opening. If it isn’t use 3 inch long number 12 flat head wood screws to hold it properly in place. Be sure the screws are below the surface of the jam so they can be filled with wood filler and sanded flush so the screws can’t be seen when you’re done. Yes, the frame will require painting if you had to use screws in the side jams.

    If the frame is already in place properly use longer screws in all of the hinge holes. You can’t use a larger diameter wood screw because the flat head won’t sit flush in the hinge counter sunk bore. If the screws don’t sit flush in the the two hinge surfaces (on the door and the jam) they won’t let the door close properly. I’d take one of the existing screws to the hardware store so you can get the right size flat head screw that is 3 inches long. When you install the longer screws if you don’t feel the longer screws holding well in the jam, use slivers of wood to to fill the holes. Some folks use toothpicks but I like something more substantial.

    Of course this fix is only good if the door is not being held properly and sags after some use. This fix will not correct a sill plate that heaves in cold weather which makes the door stick at the bottom.

    FWIW, a door doesn’t sag in cold weather any more than it does in warmer weather. Therefore, make sure the door isn’t sticking at the bottom.

    I hope this helped.

    jmonroe
    '15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's.
    '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,353
    As much as it pains me to say it, JM is correct. :D

    I had a similar issue with the entry door to my garage which would scrape the floor when swung open. New longer screws tightly installed on the upper hinge cured it instantly.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    jmonroe1 said:

    driver100 said:

    Need help from a DIYer:
    The front door is a solid steel door. A few winters ago the door stuck along the bottom, only when it was cold out.
    A friend suggested tightening the 3 screws that hold the door in place.....that go into the frame.
    That worked for a while, and last winter it got stuck again....time to fix it before the winter.
    One guy suggested using a washer on top of the hinge I think, that would raise the door...not sure if that is going to work.
    I read online to buy screws that are 3 inches long, and use those.
    Another online suggestion was to buy slightly thicker screws....not sure about that.
    Some say to tighten the plate at the bottom...but I don't think it is that because it did get better for a while when the screws were tightened. That might mean it sags in the cold weather...hmmmmm.
    All suggestions are appreciated.

    ————————————————


    I hope this helped.

    jmonroe
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    It sure does help....and it was explained very professionally so that even I can understand it and probably be able to do it myself. Thanx.....much appreciated.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,289
    ab348 said:

    As much as it pains me to say it, JM is correct. :D

    I had a similar issue with the entry door to my garage which would scrape the floor when swung open. New longer screws tightly installed on the upper hinge cured it instantly.

    I had a similar problem on a door out of my basement. It was my own fault for using expanding foam around the jam to insulate. This caused the frame to bow and the door to rub.

    Since the frame was mounted into concrete block I had to install lag screws. When I tightened them it corrected the bow so I’m confident that the screw advice given here will help.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594

    ab348 said:

    As much as it pains me to say it, JM is correct. :D

    I had a similar issue with the entry door to my garage which would scrape the floor when swung open. New longer screws tightly installed on the upper hinge cured it instantly.

    When I tightened them it corrected the bow so I’m confident that the screw advice given here will help.
    Yeh, I am going to give it a try, and if it doesn't work I'll expect a full refund. :#

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    @Mrjmonroe1
    I have a question. The door frame is just over 2 inches wide, with a window on each side beyond that.
    I guess I should get 2 inch screws...what do you think?

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,396
    driver100 said:

    @Mrjmonroe1
    I have a question. The door frame is just over 2 inches wide, with a window on each side beyond that.
    I guess I should get 2 inch screws...what do you think?

    ————————————————
    You didn’t say you had side lights. Therefore, you can’t use screws that will hit the glass. Take accurate measurements to be sure you don’t do that.

    FWIW, you addressed me correctly when you called me @Mrjmonroe.

    jmonroe
    '15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's.
    '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    jmonroe1 said:

    driver100 said:

    @Mrjmonroe1
    I have a question. The door frame is just over 2 inches wide, with a window on each side beyond that.
    I guess I should get 2 inch screws...what do you think?

    ————————————————
    You didn’t say you had side lights. Therefore, you can’t use screws that will hit the glass. Take accurate measurements to be sure you don’t do that.

    FWIW, you addressed me correctly when you called me @Mrjmonroe.

    jmonroe
    Great.......excellent information.
    I am always respectful of older wise guys.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,396

    @driver100 said:
    Great.......excellent information.
    I am always respectful of older wise guys.

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    I don’t know if I’m wise because I’m old or old because I’m wise. In any case, like I’ve said before, “if I knew I was going to live this long I would have taken better care of myself.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's.
    '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 3,806

    @driver100 said:
    @Mrjmonroe1
    I have a question. The door frame is just over 2 inches wide, with a window on each side beyond that.
    I guess I should get 2 inch screws...what do you think?

    Could always use 3 inch screws but angle them so one is in front of the glass and the other is behind the glass😂

  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,216
    It is national cheese pizza day. I shall be celebrating.

    '21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592

    @laurasdada said:
    It is national cheese pizza day. I shall be celebrating.

    It's also National be late for something day. So I'll be joining you in a few days to celebrate cheese pizza day.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,769

    It is national cheese pizza day. I shall be celebrating.

    just cheese? Is there a separate day for every topping and combination of toppings?

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,551

    Probably.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,769
    wake me for pepperoni + jalapenos day

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,396

    @qbrozen said:
    wake me for pepperoni + jalapenos day

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    Sausage for me.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's.
    '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,216

    @laurasdada said:

    It is national cheese pizza day. I shall be celebrating.

    It's also National be late for something day. So I'll be joining you in a few days to celebrate cheese pizza day.


    If you look up genius in the dictionary, here you go.

    '21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    jmonroe1 said:

    @qbrozen said:

    wake me for pepperoni + jalapenos day

    ————————————————

    Sausage for me.

    jmonroe


    Somehow, I knew that :p
    Just joking....too good to resist.

    I put the 2 inch screws into the top hinge, it might have made a slight difference but the door is still drooping on the other side.
    I am thinking two possibilities......a lower door sill at the bottom.....I believe it is plastic so can't be planed or shaved down.
    Why not put a pad behind the lower hinge so that it sticks out more, countering the top hinge which is probably the problem?
    I only put the two inch screws in the top hinge because the others were tight and secure.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,086

    Ok who is with me …. There too many National day of XXX at this point!!

    2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Icon I6L Golf Cart

  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,086

    @driver100
    That was low hanging fruit …..

    2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Icon I6L Golf Cart

  • ventureventure Member Posts: 3,173

    2025 Forester Limited, 2024 Subaru Legacy Sport

  • ventureventure Member Posts: 3,173
    edited September 2023
    driver100 said:

    jmonroe1 said:

    @qbrozen said:

    wake me for pepperoni + jalapenos day

    ————————————————

    Sausage for me.

    jmonroe

    Somehow, I knew that :p
    Just joking....too good to resist.

    I put the 2 inch screws into the top hinge, it might have made a slight difference but the door is still drooping on the other side.
    I am thinking two possibilities......a lower door sill at the bottom.....I believe it is plastic so can't be planed or shaved down.
    Why not put a pad behind the lower hinge so that it sticks out more, countering the top hinge which is probably the problem?
    I only put the two inch screws in the top hinge because the others were tight and secure.

    * * * *

    Didn't you just have that door replaced a few years ago?

    Any possibility the sill is adjustable? Some are.

    2025 Forester Limited, 2024 Subaru Legacy Sport

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    edited September 2023
    venture said:

    driver100 said:

    jmonroe1 said:

    @qbrozen said:

    wake me for pepperoni + jalapenos day

    ————————————————

    Sausage for me.

    jmonroe

    Somehow, I knew that :p
    Just joking....too good to resist.


    I put the 2 inch screws into the top hinge, it might have made a slight difference but the door is still drooping on the other side.
    I am thinking two possibilities......a lower door sill at the bottom.....I believe it is plastic so can't be planed or shaved down.
    Why not put a pad behind the lower hinge so that it sticks out more, countering the top hinge which is probably the problem?
    I only put the two inch screws in the top hinge because the others were tight and secure.
    * * * *

    Didn't you just have that door replaced a few years ago?

    Any possibility the sill is adjustable? Some are.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The first time MrJMonroe said to tighten the screws that were already in the door....and that worked for one whole winter.
    By the next winter the door began to sag again, and it gets caught on the sill.
    I think removing the sill...it seems to be made out of hard plastic, and getting a thinner one might work.
    But I can see that the door is sagging, there is a larger gap at the top on the none hinged side.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,551
    Always better to treat the disease, and not just address the symptom.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,289
    I’ve seen that in various car crash videos but the shocker was the GMA reporter actually having to explain what lug nuts were for.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,817
    @driver100,
    There are screws on the door side of the hinges. Make sure those are tight, too.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,960
    edited September 2023
    No comments that the Kia Soul would have been fine if they weren't speeding? That seems to be the "GO TO" for every "speed kills" person out there.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,699
    venture said:

    driver100 said:

    jmonroe1 said:

    @qbrozen said:

    wake me for pepperoni + jalapenos day

    ————————————————

    Sausage for me.

    jmonroe

    Somehow, I knew that :p
    Just joking....too good to resist.

    I put the 2 inch screws into the top hinge, it might have made a slight difference but the door is still drooping on the other side.
    I am thinking two possibilities......a lower door sill at the bottom.....I believe it is plastic so can't be planed or shaved down.
    Why not put a pad behind the lower hinge so that it sticks out more, countering the top hinge which is probably the problem?
    I only put the two inch screws in the top hinge because the others were tight and secure.
    * * * *

    Didn't you just have that door replaced a few years ago?

    Any possibility the sill is adjustable? Some are.

    They sell shims that go under the plate. They are available in 3 screw for interior doors and 4 screw models for exterior doors. The shims have slots where the screws are so they can be slid under the hinge with the door and the screws in place but loosened.

    IIRC there are various thicknesses. There may be tapered shims so that the thin part can be used and the rest cut off or the thicker, whole shim can be used. IIRC takes some studying.

    I had steel insulated patio french doors that gave some trouble at the hinge mount on the one door that was moveable.

    https://ezshim.com/products/hinge-shims/

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,396
    driver100 said:

    venture said:

    driver100 said:

    jmonroe1 said:

    @qbrozen said:

    wake me for pepperoni + jalapenos day

    ————————————————

    Sausage for me.

    jmonroe

    Somehow, I knew that :p
    Just joking....too good to resist.


    I put the 2 inch screws into the top hinge, it might have made a slight difference but the door is still drooping on the other side.
    I am thinking two possibilities......a lower door sill at the bottom.....I believe it is plastic so can't be planed or shaved down.
    Why not put a pad behind the lower hinge so that it sticks out more, countering the top hinge which is probably the problem?
    I only put the two inch screws in the top hinge because the others were tight and secure.
    * * * *

    Didn't you just have that door replaced a few years ago?

    Any possibility the sill is adjustable? Some are.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The first time MrJMonroe said to tighten the screws that were already in the door....and that worked for one whole winter.
    By the next winter the door began to sag again, and it gets caught on the sill.
    I think removing the sill...it seems to be made out of hard plastic, and getting a thinner one might work.
    But I can see that the door is sagging, there is a larger gap at the top on the none hinged side.
    ————————————————
    Try this; grab the door on the edge where the handle is (don’t grab the handle because you could break it) and try to move the door up and down. If you have any movement, something is loose. It almost has to be one or more hinges unless the door is coming apart but that is highly unlikely. Make sure ALL of the hinge screws are tight. Both on the jam and the door.

    If everything is OK and you can’t tighten down the sill plate, remove the rubber strip from the sill plate and get a thinner one if you can.

    jmonroe
    '15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's.
    '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594

    @driver100,
    There are screws on the door side of the hinges. Make sure those are tight, too.

    I noticed those but forgot to see how tight they are........thanks, I'll check those tomorrow.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,817
    @driver100,
    I've worked as a framer and volunteered on a dozen or so rehab's, so I have some tricks up my sleeves. :)
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388

    Just renewed my SIRIUS/XM Subscription for another year. When I called, I wanted to be connected to the cancellation department. Told them I wanted to cancel because I couldn’t afford going rates. So they renewed for $60.00 plus taxes and fees, which is what I paid last year.

    It’s a full service package including internet access.

    2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,699
    edited September 2023
    @abacomike
    Thanks for reporting that. That was the rate at which I would have renewed and likely kept one car on after renewing if I decided to cancel--one on, one off. Instead I cancelled both cars.

    But they don't seem to want to renew for me. And now that I've used CDs, FM, and USB sticks for music,
    I don't really miss them. I did listen to CNBC's market reports despite my boycott of the channels of that type, but I can get that on WLW at times or use my phone to download the page while driving, illegal now in Ohio, The Heart of It All is our slogan.

    Apprently SiriusXM has given up on calling and emailing. Or my email client has gotten smarter about dumping their emails in trash bypassing the spam folder. LOL

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,551
    Joys of the salt belt. Walking today past a construction site went by 2 workers talking. They were next to one guys big HD GMC pickup. Shiny black, looked brand new. Definitely the current style I think.

    Snippet I heard was, “ I can’t believe it’s rusty already”

    South main auto on YouTube just had a video on a 2019 GMC in for a bad sensor or switch. But when he had it on the left, he showed how crusty that already was at 3-4 years old.

    I might need to get a winter beater like farmer, and keep the good cars inside unless the roads are bone dry!

    Actually should go with a sporty car to never see bad weather, and lease a truck of some sort to not care about.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,699
    I've seen a couple of license plates that were interesting in our CFA visits.
    Today was "ROCKY TV" on Toyota Supra gr.

    Couple days ago was "XLR ATNG" on a Cadillac XLR.
    I wondered if that was to be Accelerating or Exhilerating they were
    trying to sound out with the letters. It was driven by a lady about 30 IMHO.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • sdasda Member Posts: 7,619
    Anyone hear from @henryn recently? Did he divorce us?

    2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech

  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,086

    @stickguy said:
    Joys of the salt belt. Walking today past a construction site went by 2 workers talking. They were next to one guys big HD GMC pickup. Shiny black, looked brand new. Definitely the current style I think.

    Snippet I heard was, “ I can’t believe it’s rusty already”

    South main auto on YouTube just had a video on a 2019 GMC in for a bad sensor or switch. But when he had it on the left, he showed how crusty that already was at 3-4 years old.

    I might need to get a winter beater like farmer, and keep the good cars inside unless the roads are bone dry!

    Actually should go with a sporty car to never see bad weather, and lease a truck of some sort to not care about.

    I probably told this story before but …

    Back in the days of my old employer we needed a vehicle for the execs and whoever else to use for trips, etc.

    The Denali we had was aging and they wanted something similar. My boss at the time had a brother in law who ran a Chevy dealer up by you and OF. He sold us an off lease Tahoe LTZ. Looked brand new until I looked underneath. Wow, was it rusty. It had nothing but problems with the air suspension (all corroded connections and wiring), exhaust, power running boards were shot among other things.

    It only had 25K miles on it. I suspect it was a soccer mom vehicle and must have constantly been in the salt doing short trips and never cleaned.

    2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Icon I6L Golf Cart

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,289
    stickguy said:

    Joys of the salt belt. Walking today past a construction site went by 2 workers talking. They were next to one guys big HD GMC pickup. Shiny black, looked brand new. Definitely the current style I think.

    Snippet I heard was, “ I can’t believe it’s rusty already”

    South main auto on YouTube just had a video on a 2019 GMC in for a bad sensor or switch. But when he had it on the left, he showed how crusty that already was at 3-4 years old.

    I might need to get a winter beater like farmer, and keep the good cars inside unless the roads are bone dry!

    Actually should go with a sporty car to never see bad weather, and lease a truck of some sort to not care about.

    Check out SMA’s video on underbody rust proofing with Fluid Film. I could never afford that on my hoopties but it should be no problem for a well off guy like you.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,353
    I just had the ATS in yesterday for its annual rustproofing respray and inspection, all good was the report. $40 in worthless Canadian dollars is money well spent.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,353
    There is a guy who does some outside maintenance for me and my neighbor who has a spotless 2012 (I think) Silverado LTZ pickup that looks brand new. He told me it needed frame repair because (IIRC) some crossmembers had rusted away, apparently a known problem. I was shocked.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,396
    sda said:

    Anyone hear from @henryn recently? Did he divorce us?

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    I asked about @henryn a few months ago but no one said anything. He stepped away a few years ago then returned. I hope it’s nothing more than that now.

    jmonroe
    '15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's.
    '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    edited September 2023
    I got an email about a guy who buys a $100000+ EV Jaguar F-Pace as his final retirement car. He talks about how it doesn't go close to the mileage promised, and all of his problems trying to find a fast charger. His trip turns into a nightmare as he runs out of juice on a highway, and has to wait for hours for help to come.
    The final summary is this;
    BUT HERE IS THE BIGGEST NEGATIVE TAKE AWAY:

    Let's say you get to drive in OPTIMUM conditions all the way to Florida, for instance, and you are lucky to achieve 90% of the range estimates. That is 213 mi between stops. And, let's say you are fortunate enough to find high-powered charging stations, without going too far off the beaten path (Assume 12 to 19 mi) to be acceptable). And let's assume the charging cables fit your vehicle, the payment screens work, and they are not already in use.

    BE PREPARED TO SIT FOR ONE AND A HALF HOURS FOR A 90% CHARGE!

    Again, using actual mileage data from Owen Sound, ON to Englewood, Florida as an example, a distance of 1440 miles, at an average speed of 56 mi per hour, and a 90% range of 213 mi, would require A MINIMUM OF SEVEN ONE- AND ONE-HALF HOUR CHARGING STOPS! This would add an additional eleven-and one-half hours of travel time. A total of thirty-seven- and one-half hours travel time, compared to twenty-six hours in a gasoline automobile. An extra hotel night, meals, etc...

    His figures seem accurate. I agree with him that if you use the car around town for shopping trips etc., no problem, but going on a long trip could be a nightmare. I also read that only 1/3rd of hotels have proper chargers.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,396
    driver100 said:

    I got an email about a guy who buys a $100000+ EV Jaguar F-Pace as his final retirement car. He talks about how it doesn't go close to the mileage promised, and all of his problems trying to find a fast charger. His trip turns into a nightmare as he runs out of juice on a highway, and has to wait for hours for help to come.
    The final summary is this;
    BUT HERE IS THE BIGGEST NEGATIVE TAKE AWAY:

    Let's say you get to drive in OPTIMUM conditions all the way to Florida, for instance, and you are lucky to achieve 90% of the range estimates. That is 213 mi between stops. And, let's say you are fortunate enough to find high-powered charging stations, without going too far off the beaten path (Assume 12 to 19 mi) to be acceptable). And let's assume the charging cables fit your vehicle, the payment screens work, and they are not already in use.

    BE PREPARED TO SIT FOR ONE AND A HALF HOURS FOR A 90% CHARGE!

    Again, using actual mileage data from Owen Sound, ON to Englewood, Florida as an example, a distance of 1440 miles, at an average speed of 56 mi per hour, and a 90% range of 213 mi, would require A MINIMUM OF SEVEN ONE- AND ONE-HALF HOUR CHARGING STOPS! This would add an additional eleven-and one-half hours of travel time. A total of thirty-seven- and one-half hours travel time, compared to twenty-six hours in a gasoline automobile. An extra hotel night, meals, etc...

    His figures seem accurate. I agree with him that if you use the car around town for shopping trips etc., no problem, but going on a long trip could be a nightmare. I also read that only 1/3rd of hotels have proper chargers.

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    You can’t believe everything you read. It sounds like you’re not going to get an EV until I get one and give you a thumbs up. So far I’m miles away from the fence let alone being on it. You’re probably safe for about 10 years minimum.

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 264,048
    And when your gas powered Jaguar SUV breaks down in Macon, GA, the closest dealer is in Atlanta, which is 85 miles away. In the wrong direction, if you're driving south.

    You don't have to keep sharing antedoctal evidence why you won't ever buy an electric vehicle.

    Lots of people have taken their EV's on cross-country road trips, with no problems finding chargers. I suggest you watch some YouTube videos by "EV Motoring" - he's taken his VW ID.4 and Polestar 2 on some epic road trips, and shows the data regarding charging.

    It's also good to know that for most EV purchases, you'll get some sort of free charging for a period of time, so your fuel costs would be next to $0.

    In addition, many of the newer EV's can charge from 20% to 80% in as little as 20-30 minutes. The Jaguar EV is older technology, so it stands to reason it will take longer to charge.

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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 3,806

    It is a technology that is in its infancy. It will continue to get better with new advances. Perhaps solid state batteries will be the ticket.

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 267,565
    Or, just maybe... a whole lot of people won't take their EV to Florida? :o

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