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jmonroe

bwia said:

I was watching a Genesis G90 video review by Moto-Man (I believe). He spoke positively about the car and concluded by asking, "what is a luxury car anyway?" Is it the brand name, pedigree, price, leather with different color thread piping, or fit and finish?

He said the G90 has all those intangible attributes of quality yet some people are not ready to accept it as a genuine luxury car. Your thoughts?

No matter how hard Hyundai tries, it's a wannabe and I otta know.

jmonroe

jmonroe

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

fintail said:

Thanks. Yeah, MBs tend to age gracefully. Even modern ones hold up really well, if they are maintained. An 80s S-class has more class than most new lux cars, and a 90s model says "get out of my way" more than most anything.

I find the ride to be in common with older cars. It is firm but plush, and the cars always feel heavy. That puts some people off, but for open road cruising, it works.

Not to sure about that, nearly every MB I see that predates this century seems dated and tired.

looks better than almost every new car you could buy today:

I don't buy 'hair blowers' for obvious reasons.

jmonroe

Why, do you wear a toupee? I never realized there was an upside to bring bald.

There is one good upside to being bald; saves time and money otherwise spent on haircuts.

And shampoo!

I think you're right. Over the years I have spent a near fortune for that stuff. If I used plain old soap my hair wouldn't shine and I'll have none of that. I'd hate for someone to say, "that's a lot of hair, why don't you wax it?

jmonroe

fintail

The luxury car idea is fun, and I think it is a subjective term. Is a G90 a luxury car? Definitely, especially if properly equipped. However, it might not meet the "prestige car" (popular term in some places) with the badge. In the end, doesn't matter - buy it if you like it, who cares what others think.

fintail

That's a nice statement for a car that debuted in 1963. MB was definitely ahead of the pack

Mr_Shiftright said:

Nice little cars with outstanding build quality but not all that pleasant on a modern freeway. You can definitely feel the 70s technology.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe said:

henryn said:

And a further thought about TrueCar pricing. I have been following the prices paid sub-forum for Honda CR-Vs for several years now. People regularly beat the TrueCar price by $1,000 or more. It depends a great deal on the part of the country that you’re in, some areas the prices are much higher than others.

And I can attest to that.

The last 3 new cars I have purchased have been from out of the Burgh area. Two of them in Ohio ('09 Genny and '12 Legacy) and my '15 Genny in VA.

I never thought I'd be one to do this and almost laughed at Son #1 when he bought his '02 Altima (not black) in '04 in VA. When I was considering the '09 Genny he went out on the web and found the one I bought in the Akron Ohio area. He likes doing this kind of stuff and all I have to do is show some mild interest in getting a new car and he jumps at the opportunity to go searching for a car for me.

When I got the '15 Genny his mother accused me of putting him up to it. All I said was something like, "I wonder what kind of a deal I can get for the exact car I want because the 3 dealers I went to around here don't have it or anything close to what I'd consider". That did it, he was off and running. He did searches and if nothing hit he kept expanding his radius. He called and wanted to know my limit because he found one in Charlotte NC. I told him that was waaay outside of my limit. His response was, "OK, I thought so, no problem. I'm just sitting here clicking on the keyboard. There has to be one out there closer and I'll find it". And he found it about 15 minutes later in VA just outside of DC, about a 4 hour drive.

I've come to the conclusion that South Western PA is not a good car buyers market area based on my last 3 new car purchases. It's not a bad place to live but it's a bad place to buy cars.

jmonroe

That sounds like a great kid...can I adopt him?

You don't have to adopt him, he'll do this for people free of charge. About 5 years ago he did some research at a local dealer for a fellow female worker and showed her the numbers and how she should go about the negotiating process. He even offered to go help with the negotiating if her and her husband thought they needed help at the negotiating table. They did it on their own and she comes into his office the next day and lays down 2 Franklins saying, "We really appreciated your help, you helped us save a good bit of money. We couldn't have done it without your help". He didn't accept so the next day he got a $50 restaurant card and the women said, "you have to accept this or I'm telling your boss". He's a woos at work so he caved.

jmonroe

driver100

stickguy said:

now just need to find out what they think the new model costs. MSRP? TMV? something they make up?

The new model costs $4000 more than the 2015....with basically the same equipment. I have actually ordered it, so I will get it in December instead of January if I wait. We decided I am going to buy one whatever happens with the insurance.....dealer has ordered my car with no money down, and they will use it as a dealer car if for some reason I don't take it.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
I'm guessing there is some kind of mileage/wear and tear clause, but your car was pretty close to new.

It doesn't sound like it from their advertisement...but, I agree, it ain't over until it is over and anything is possible. My 2015 was 22 months old and had 28000 miles on it. They say they buy you a new car if your car is up to 5 years old.......don't know about the fine print.

driver100

jmonroe said:

bwia said:

I was watching a Genesis G90 video review by Moto-Man (I believe). He spoke positively about the car and concluded by asking, "what is a luxury car anyway?" Is it the brand name, pedigree, price, leather with different color thread piping, or fit and finish?

He said the G90 has all those intangible attributes of quality yet some people are not ready to accept it as a genuine luxury car. Your thoughts?

No matter how hard Hyundai tries, it's a wannabe and I otta know.

jmonroe

I read that Genesis will be sold separate from hyundai, which is the game plan many successful car makers have done....Acura, Lexus, etc. When you need service they will come to your door and pick you up. They are going to open stores in malls too. The reviews for the G90 are excellent, but all new Genesis models initially get tremendous reviews, then the reality hits, and it seems they are a good well made state of the art car, but, don't quite compare with the market leaders.

But hey, if you like it, and it suits your needs, then go for it.....definitely a great bargain! Looks nice...


But they should be sued by Mercedes for copying the S rear end:

Michaell

@driver100 - if your new car isn't ready until October what wil you drive to Florida - the GLK?

stickguy

JM, I am like your son. I not only help family, I get "referrals" from some of them, to consult (via email) with people I never met or heard of.

I got a nice bottle of beefeaters from my SILs cousin out of it once, which was nice. Mostly I do it for the enjoyment though!

thebean

@jmonroe, did you say "perm"???  I think we're gonna need a picture of that.  

Michaell

Can't get this image out of my head:

http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/i/2012/06/12/stylish-dads-brady-bunch_610.jpg

jmonroe

thebean said:

@jmonroe, did you say "perm"???  I think we're gonna need a picture of that.  

Yeah, I said "perm" because I was trying to let you guys know how much hair I have and believe me I am happy for every strand.

I don't know how to do pictures but if anyone is trying to figure out what I look like, "back in the day", a lot of people thought I looked like Dean Martin and to be honest I could see some of that but mostly because our hair doo was very much the same. In fact, Mrs. j's Grandmother thought I looked a lot like him. She was a character alright and for a while when she saw me coming she would start singing (and not that bad either) "everybody loves somebody sometime...".

I remember one time when I asked Mrs. j if I looked like Dean Martin, she squinted and said, "He's a lot better looking than you are". I said, "your Grandmother thinks I do" and she countered with, "Her eyes are going and besides that you like her beef barley soup".

jmonroe

jmonroe

Michaell said:

Can't get this image out of my head:

http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/i/2012/06/12/stylish-dads-brady-bunch_610.jpg

See my post above, it's more accurate.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

Michaell said:

Can't get this image out of my head:

http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/i/2012/06/12/stylish-dads-brady-bunch_610.jpg

Not sure which is worse, the hair or the clothes.

Michaell

@jmonroe - something like this?

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Me357a9278df84fdc8da0732d292d1515o1&w=78&h=78&c=7&pid=1.1

js06gv

Mr_Shiftright said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

I don't think insurance companies should avoid paying diminished value (DM) because it isn't easy to calculate. I do know it isn't right that the victim in an accident should be out of pocket.

OK now I will sound like an insurance industry spokesman. Insurance companies avoid paying diminished value because you don't insure against it. Your policy basically states that they will give you the value of the car if totaled or fix it if not totaled.

Now if you want to be insured for diminished value then you would pay more in insurance premiums.

You can't sue your own insurance company for diminished value, but if someone hits your 2017 Mercedes that has 150 miles on it, and causes $20,000 damage, you can certainly make a DV claim against his/her insurance company, with whom you have no contract.

Also, it has been my experience that whenever the CARFAX report shows that yellow triangle and the word ACCIDENT! on it, no matter how old your car is, it's going to sell for less than an exact comparable with no accident record.

The idea is that you should be "made whole". Your brand new Benz is now a welded up, painted over car.

Generally true but there are a few exceptions. Georgia allows first party DV, and I don't know for sure but there may be a few more states that do as well. Also, if you have an uninsured motorist claim against your own insurer you can pursue a DV claim as your insurer is stepping into the shoes of the responsible third party insurer, who in this case doesn't exist.

Sandman6472

Drove a CLA 250 at work the other day and liked it, not too big, not too small. Could definitely get used to one of these in a few years, possibly a 2016 CPO unit come next year. Could work for my retirement vehicle as I'd purchase right before I retire again and keep for the long haul. Know the wife would like it as it isn't that big and could even work if we do go down to one vehicle for the two of us.

The Sandman

bwia

@bwia I was watching a Genesis G90 video review by Moto-Man (I believe). He spoke positively about the car and concluded by asking, "what is a luxury car anyway?" Is it the brand name, pedigree, price, leather with different color thread piping, or fit and finish?

He said the G90 has all those intangible attributes of quality yet some people are not ready to accept it as a genuine luxury car. Your thoughts?

@jmonroe No matter how hard Hyundai tries, it's a wannabe and I otta know.

jmonroe

@driver

I read that Genesis will be sold separate from hyundai, which is the game plan many successful car makers have done....Acura, Lexus, etc. When you need service they will come to your door and pick you up. They are going to open stores in malls too. The reviews for the G90 are excellent, but all new Genesis models initially get tremendous reviews, then the reality hits, and it seems they are a good well made state of the art car, but, don't quite compare with the market leaders.

But hey, if you like it, and it suits your needs, then go for it.....definitely a great bargain! Looks nice...

But they should be sued by Mercedes for copying the S rear end:

I think luxury is a state of mind that marketers exploit to varying degrees of success. For example, no matter how hard it tries the Acura brand is not considered genuine luxury. On the other hand Chevy is not marketed as a luxury brand yet most, if not all, consider the Corvette is a luxury model.

stever

Michaell said:

@jmonroe - something like this?

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Me357a9278df84fdc8da0732d292d1515o1&w=78&h=78&c=7&pid=1.1

I was wandering the pedestrian mall in Santa Monica a few years back when I heard a pitch perfect rendition of "That's Amore". The dude singing was an Amish busker - talk about a visual disconnect.

(Well, it's sort of car related since they don't let cars on the mall...)

jmonroe

Michaell said:

@jmonroe - something like this?

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Me357a9278df84fdc8da0732d292d1515o1&w=78&h=78&c=7&pid=1.1

Yeah, that was me..."back in the day".

jmonroe

driver100

Michaell said:

@driver100 - if your new car isn't ready until October what wil you drive to Florida - the GLK?

New car may not be ready until mid December, could be as early as late November. They should have a delivery date in a few weeks.

We would have left for Florida November 4th if driving. If the car comes in by about Nov 20th we will leave around then.

If later, we will fly down in early November.......we will get by using the Florida car, the 2013 Passat with 5k miles on it. When the E400 comes in we would fly back....get used to it for a few days, then drive down in the E.

Althoough the GLK is solid as a rock, I think Mrs. D likes the tested safety of the larger and with a trunk E400.

It gets complicated, and through no fault of my own......it isn't fair!

houdini1

driver100 said:

A very successful retired insurance agent gave me this information.....which confirms the way everyone here felt about my accident situation:

First off you have no liability & looking at your vehicle the truck driver should have been charged.The police officer was way off base interrogating you instead of the responsible party. In Ontario we have no fault insurance with a set of rules to avoid dispute & clearly there will be none in your case.
You can purchase a copy of the police report but I would ask XXXX (insurance company) for a copy
I would need to see a copy of your replacement cost endorsement re the replacement coverage as insurers are free to offer their own versions. I could then advise you should XXXXXX give you a hard time

Every bit of information helps!

How much are your premiums?

oldfarmer50

Michaell said:

Can't get this image out of my head:

http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/i/2012/06/12/stylish-dads-brady-bunch_610.jpg

I always pictured jmonroe as looking more like this:



Nice hair.

houdini1

Now that is the type of toupee I am looking for. You could tie your hair under your chin while driving that MB to keep it on your head.

imidazol97

i think my barber has a toupee. Conflict of interest.

driver100

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:

A very successful retired insurance agent gave me this information.....which confirms the way everyone here felt about my accident situation:

First off you have no liability & looking at your vehicle the truck driver should have been charged.The police officer was way off base interrogating you instead of the responsible party. In Ontario we have no fault insurance with a set of rules to avoid dispute & clearly there will be none in your case.
You can purchase a copy of the police report but I would ask XXXX (insurance company) for a copy
I would need to see a copy of your replacement cost endorsement re the replacement coverage as insurers are free to offer their own versions. I could then advise you should XXXXXX give you a hard time

Every bit of information helps!

How much are your premiums?

I pay about $1200 a year and the replacement coverage was $55. In Canada $1million liability is the minimum....we take $2million. Those figures may not mean much comparing Canada and US.

houdini1

Thanks, for comparison, we have 2 vehicles, $1,500,000. limits, $500. ded. on comp and collision and annual prem. is $1700. so around $850. for each car.

Big difference in the minimum liability limits. I think in Kansas the min. limit is like $25,000. which is beyond ridiculous.

Mr_Shiftright

fintail said:

That's a nice statement for a car that debuted in 1963. MB was definitely ahead of the pack

Mr_Shiftright said:

Nice little cars with outstanding build quality but not all that pleasant on a modern freeway. You can definitely feel the 70s technology.

Yeah, but the one everyone wants today is the 280SL, 1970-71. They are the ones built for American road conditions. I'd much rather have an MGB. As one car reviewer put it back then: "The 280SL is a car a corrupt politicians buys for his Las Vegas girlfriend". Ouch!

driver100

houdini1 said:

Thanks, for comparison, we have 2 vehicles, $1,500,000. limits, $500. ded. on comp and collision and annual prem. is $1700. so around $850. for each car.

Big difference in the minimum liability limits. I think in Kansas the min. limit is like $25,000. which is beyond ridiculous.

And in Florida maximum $300000 is seldom requested. Seems you can only be sued for what you have in the bank, so people usually buy pretty minimal liability. Our agent in Florida knew Canadians want at least $1million liability.

We actually pay about $2300 a year for the E400 and GLK.

driver100

Mr_Shiftright said:

fintail said:

That's a nice statement for a car that debuted in 1963. MB was definitely ahead of the pack

Mr_Shiftright said:

Nice little cars with outstanding build quality but not all that pleasant on a modern freeway. You can definitely feel the 70s technology.

Yeah, but the one everyone wants today is the 280SL, 1970-71. They are the ones built for American road conditions. I'd much rather have an MGB. As one car reviewer put it back then: "The 280SL is a car a corrupt politicians buys for his Las Vegas girlfriend". Ouch!

The 1970 280 SL does make a nice car for a Las Vegas girlfriend or mistress.

Mr_Shiftright

I owned a '71 model, with 4-speed manual transmission. Built like the proverbial bank vault. The MGB felt like a 1930s fishmonger's pull cart in comparison. But the Germans, you know, they can sometime engineer all the fun OUT of a car. Well, it was "fun", but respectable, sober fun. Clean, middle-class fun. Like river dancing compared to shaking your booty (English joke, there).

fintail

The early 70s were mostly still the 60s It was advanced 60s tech that was probably better to drive than many cars 10 years newer.

By that time I think a 280SL was pretty expensive, maybe 10K or a little more. Of course, a new SL costs more relative to an average new car than a W113 did back in the day, representative of socio-economics in general.

Mr_Shiftright said:

Yeah, but the one everyone wants today is the 280SL, 1970-71. They are the ones built for American road conditions. I'd much rather have an MGB. As one car reviewer put it back then: "The 280SL is a car a corrupt politicians buys for his Las Vegas girlfriend". Ouch!

driver100

Mr_Shiftright said:

I owned a '71 model, with 4-speed manual transmission. Built like the proverbial bank vault. The MGB felt like a 1930s fishmonger's pull cart in comparison. But the Germans, you know, they can sometime engineer all the fun OUT of a car. Well, it was "fun", but respectable, sober fun. Clean, middle-class fun. Like river dancing compared to shaking your booty (English joke, there).

The 2 seater Mercedes and similarly the 2 seater T-Birds weren't really sports cars. I heard them referred to as personal cars.....for people who want the sports car image, but with practicality and comfort. I prefer that these days!

driver100

I had this bit of interesting information this week...if anyone wants to clarify or confirm!

Let's say you buy one of those TV sets at Best Buy or Walmart etc for Black Friday, or for a Xmas sale, and it is priced at some ridiculously low price...even though it is a name brand. Those TVs are made especially for a specific sale and they even get their own special model codes. I suppose the idea is that they can offer these TVs at a deeply discounted price because they aren't made to the same standards as their every day TVs.

It sounds possible....just like outlet stores. In the beginning, they actually sold the overstock, seconds, or out of season clothes at a big discount. Then the name producers couldn't keep up with demand, so they started to make merchandise that looked like it came from the more expensive line, but, it was really made cheaper to sell at a lower price, only in the discount store.

stickguy

I knew that about a lot of the outlet stores (Coach is big on that). Never heard it about TVs, but there are many different models made specifically for different stores, that on the surface, seem like they should be the same.

driver100

stickguy said:

I knew that about a lot of the outlet stores (Coach is big on that). Never heard it about TVs, but there are many different models made specifically for different stores, that on the surface, seem like they should be the same.

This is saying though they make a special model just for the sale. That makes me think that even though the TV is a name brand, it will be made with inferior parts or fewer features to make the price point so much lower. You know the one's people line up for all night....50 inch TV for $250!

suydam

I don't believe that's the case.

qbrozen

fintail said:

I've never had a W211, so I might not be an authority. I do know 2007 was a facelift year, and I think the first year that engine was sold here. No engine issues come to mind, but I think some older 4Matic cars can have transfer case issues, and all of those cars had Airmatic, that's always something to keep in mind. For any MB of that age, a good PPI is the best bet.

Hey, fin. Out of curiosity, what do you know about the 2007 E550 4matic? Good? Bad? Problem areas?

Thanks. Still leaning toward a GLK350, but have found some pretty good deals on E550s.

berri

But Dino Monroe, can you drink like Dean Martin

ab348

Mr_Shiftright said:

As one car reviewer put it back then: "The 280SL is a car a corrupt politicians buys for his Las Vegas girlfriend". Ouch!

I always felt that way about the 1972-89 SL models, which I never liked much and always thought were driven mostly by actresses, Beverly Hills trophy wives, and rich cafe society socialites.

driver100

suydam said:

I don't believe that's the case.

I looked into it further...not easy to find, and apparently it is true.

NAME BRAND TVs MAYBE CHEAPER MODELS ON BLACK FRIDAYS

From USA Today:
In their quest to attract shoppers, stores will partner with big-name manufacturers to create "derivative models" — stripped-down versions of pre-existing TVs. These TVs, made specifically for Black Friday, are often not as good as the model they're based on: The picture may be lesser quality, or the warranty may be altered. There could be some missing features or components. In short, that 42-inch Samsung TV you buy on Black Friday might not be as good as a 42-inch Samsung bought back in October.

One TV in particular stands out this year: Best Buy (NYSE: BBY) will sell a 55-inch LG LED for $499. It seems like a hot deal, but I would have to urge caution. LG isn't the most respected brand, but it's considered fairly reputable. That TV in particular, however, appears to be a derivative model. That specific model number, 55LN5100, isn't available at any other retailer — it seems to have been made by LG just for Best Buy, with the intention of attracting attention to the retailer.

Comparing its specifications to a similar LG set, the 55LN5200, a few things stand out. Most notably, Best Buy's model lacks smart TV features, and doesn't offer as many settings: It has just two different aspect ratios to choose from, while the non-Best Buy-specific version has six.

To be fair, non-discriminate buyers might not notice or care about these features, but consumers should at least be aware of what they're purchasing.

driver100

qbrozen said:

fintail said:

I've never had a W211, so I might not be an authority. I do know 2007 was a facelift year, and I think the first year that engine was sold here. No engine issues come to mind, but I think some older 4Matic cars can have transfer case issues, and all of those cars had Airmatic, that's always something to keep in mind. For any MB of that age, a good PPI is the best bet.

qbrozen said:

Hey, fin. Out of curiosity, what do you know about the 2007 E550 4matic? Good? Bad? Problem areas?

Thanks. Still leaning toward a GLK350, but have found some pretty good deals on E550s.

I believe Mike said cars like E550s....2 door coupe type Mercedes depreciate quickly....few people want a large 2 door Mercedes as a used car. Good buy if you are going to keep it.

Our GLK is a great car....drives like the E400 with the same engine but has higher seating and a great comfortable design, I love the firm but smooth ride, takes bumps nicely. Also, small and nimble handling, great firm accurate steering.

jmonroe

berri said:

But Dino Monroe, can you drink like Dean Martin

I tried it a few times but fell flat on my face.

And just in case you are wondering, I can't sing nearly as well either. :@

jmonroe

snakeweasel

berri said:

But Dino Monroe, can you drink like Dean Martin

Maybe he drinks like:

qbrozen

driver100 said:

fintail said:

I've never had a W211, so I might not be an authority. I do know 2007 was a facelift year, and I think the first year that engine was sold here. No engine issues come to mind, but I think some older 4Matic cars can have transfer case issues, and all of those cars had Airmatic, that's always something to keep in mind. For any MB of that age, a good PPI is the best bet.

Hey, fin. Out of curiosity, what do you know about the 2007 E550 4matic? Good? Bad? Problem areas?

Thanks. Still leaning toward a GLK350, but have found some pretty good deals on E550s.

I believe Mike said cars like E550s....2 door coupe type Mercedes depreciate quickly....few people want a large 2 door Mercedes as a used car. Good buy if you are going to keep it. Our GLK is a great car....drives like the E400 with the same engine but has higher seating and a great comfortable design, I love the firm but smooth ride, takes bumps nicely. Also, small and nimble handling, great firm accurate steering.

I am referring to the e550 4matic sedan. Thanks for the review on the GLK.

oldfarmer50

Explain this to me:

These are the guys who never called me back in 2015. I saw these two cars on their lot for months and months. Now they are selling them as "demos"...whatever that means. 2 year old cars but no milage listed anywhere and on one of them only $900 off. Some incentives mentioned but their ad really doesn't explain if they are mutually exclusive or can be combined. Have you ever heard of a dealer using sports cars as service loaners which is what many demos really are?

http://www.lathamfordmotors.com/new-inventory/index.htm?search=&saveFacetState=true&vinIncentiveEligibility_composite=&normalBodyStyle=&cab=&model=Mustang&cityMpg=&normalEngine=&normalTransmission=&normalDriveLine=&lastFacetInteracted=inventory-listing1-facet-anchor-model-16

cdnpinhead

The only explanation is this: P.T. Barnum was right.

suydam

driver100 said:

suydam said:

I don't believe that's the case.

I looked into it further...not easy to find, and apparently it is true.

NAME BRAND TVs MAYBE CHEAPER MODELS ON BLACK FRIDAYS

From USA Today:
In their quest to attract shoppers, stores will partner with big-name manufacturers to create "derivative models" — stripped-down versions of pre-existing TVs. These TVs, made specifically for Black Friday, are often not as good as the model they're based on: The picture may be lesser quality, or the warranty may be altered. There could be some missing features or components. In short, that 42-inch Samsung TV you buy on Black Friday might not be as good as a 42-inch Samsung bought back in October.

One TV in particular stands out this year: Best Buy (NYSE: BBY) will sell a 55-inch LG LED for $499. It seems like a hot deal, but I would have to urge caution. LG isn't the most respected brand, but it's considered fairly reputable. That TV in particular, however, appears to be a derivative model. That specific model number, 55LN5100, isn't available at any other retailer — it seems to have been made by LG just for Best Buy, with the intention of attracting attention to the retailer.

Comparing its specifications to a similar LG set, the 55LN5200, a few things stand out. Most notably, Best Buy's model lacks smart TV features, and doesn't offer as many settings: It has just two different aspect ratios to choose from, while the non-Best Buy-specific version has six.

To be fair, non-discriminate buyers might not notice or care about these features, but consumers should at least be aware of what they're purchasing.

I saw that too -- and it's only about Black Friday -- not a regular practice -- and the article is hedged with qualifiers -- " may be" not "is". Generally things are on sale because someone made too many of them.

driver100

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

fintail said:

I've never had a W211, so I might not be an authority. I do know 2007 was a facelift year, and I think the first year that engine was sold here. No engine issues come to mind, but I think some older 4Matic cars can have transfer case issues, and all of those cars had Airmatic, that's always something to keep in mind. For any MB of that age, a good PPI is the best bet.

qbrozen said:

Hey, fin. Out of curiosity, what do you know about the 2007 E550 4matic? Good? Bad? Problem areas?

Thanks. Still leaning toward a GLK350, but have found some pretty good deals on E550s.

I believe Mike said cars like E550s....2 door coupe type Mercedes depreciate quickly....few people want a large 2 door Mercedes as a used car. Good buy if you are going to keep it.

Our GLK is a great car....drives like the E400 with the same engine but has higher seating and a great comfortable design, I love the firm but smooth ride, takes bumps nicely. Also, small and nimble handling, great firm accurate steering.

I am referring to the e550 4matic sedan. Thanks for the review on the GLK.

Since the new Es are E400s I thought an E550 was either a newer model or it referred to the 2 door coupe...which can be an E550. Then I found out it refers to an older model....one of my favorites.....can be a sedan, and it has nice clean lines.