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driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer50,
Might be 5k or 6 months, whichever comes first.
Do you have an oil life monitor? Check that if you do. Also, they don't always reset it when the oil is changed(lazy).

Maybe that's it, they didn't reset it when the oil was changed at 3000 miles. I found a YouTube that showed how to reset. It was at 3%.
Still leaves the question as to whether the system is just mile based (7500 miles) or if there is some actual reading of the oil condition.
Ford website is useless unless you register, sign in and agree to get spam.

Sometimes they do forget.
It may be based on time, mileage and driving patterns, doesn't know synthetic from real oil.
I tried the website too - that's ridiculous, sign up to get info about a car you bought from them.

driver100

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

I am not picking up the new E400 (we don't call it the Benzzzzzz-upsets some people) until we fly back on April 2nd. It could snow in April, but usually doesn't. If it does, I will stay in bed under the covers so I won't see it.

Since the E400 won't get certified by the government until January...and if the government is doing it I am thinking late January, we don't want to fly back, drive it down in the worst possible month to drive south, and then, drive it back 2 1/2 months later. The dealer has agreed to keep the car until we return. This experience was the reason we upgraded the Passat for a real car...the C 250, and if all goes as planned we will fly down and back each year, and avoid the construction in Ohio that never ends.

Your handle is @driver100, so I thought you were a DRIVER.
I guess things really do change when some people age.
You otta change your name to "flyguy" now so you don't mislead us.

jmonroe

I have driven it...1600 miles each way, about 10 times now...so I get to keep the Driver name.
I have earned the right to fly.
I would keep driving it...it is kind of like a marathon challenge I like to face twice a year...just a car and me against the elements, but my wife said if I drive I am doing it alone, she is going to fly. I concede!

driver100

roadburner said:

Looks like I might be heading to the Circuit of the Americas for training on the G30 5er. Woo Hoo!!!

You are becoming their star employee. You are going to be the main man at that dealership. Congrats, and tell us all about it.

Michaell

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

There are times when I really enjoy being out there cleaning up the snow from the driveway/sidewalk.
I'm definitely a #6.
http://www.boston.com/weather/untagged/2014/11/13/the-definitive-guide-to-snow-removal-personality-types
Not by March/April, though.

Those were clever....really well done.

I recognize a lot of those types in my neighborhood.

roadburner

driver100 said:

roadburner said:

Looks like I might be heading to the Circuit of the Americas for training on the G30 5er. Woo Hoo!!!

You are becoming their star employee. You are going to be the main man at that dealership. Congrats, and tell us all about it.

Not hardly. But I do consider it a privilege to be able to attend.

berri

Years ago when I was a little kid, my uncle - the engineer - made some kind of very smooth wooden V that he snapped onto the back of his 50 Chevy backing out of the driveway and clearing most of the snow. He then turned the car around backing toward his garage and quickly released the V before heading out. That contraption worked in virtually all Chicago area snowstorms. I don't know why they don't make something like this today. Maybe newer garages don't have enough room? But you could develop folding version I' think. Actually, you might even be able to slap a green weenie label on it since the job was done quite quickly using little fuel. Of course pushing that big two stager blower is probably more macho

suydam

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

There are times when I really enjoy being out there cleaning up the snow from the driveway/sidewalk.
I'm definitely a #6.
http://www.boston.com/weather/untagged/2014/11/13/the-definitive-guide-to-snow-removal-personality-types
Not by March/April, though.

Those were clever....really well done.

I recognize a lot of those types in my neighborhood.

I was definitely #1. And when our kids were younger, we were all out there -- but none of us were happy campers!

stever

It's illegal to dump snow in the streets in most places, so you'd have to move it again after you clear your driveway, #3 in the Boston story.

Seems like some outfit made a little plow for Subarus for a while. Hm, guess they still do.

Here's a homemade plow for a Durango.

suydam

Out in the country where we were, it was a constant battle between the plow throwing it up on our driveway and us throwing it back.

stickguy

the key is to push the snow up the street, not down. That way the plow pushes it up in your neighbors driveway, not back into yours!

henryn

My 2013 F150 and now 2015 F150, the oil change light comes on at 12 months. I'm not sure about the miles, I've never driven enough miles to trip the light before 12 months rolls around. I have the vague impression it's supposed to be 7,500 miles or 12 months, whichever comes first. With some adjustment made for driving conditions (heat, short trips, high revs, whatever).

And no, it does not know about regular versus synthetic. With newer Fords, you are supposed to be using their semi-synthetic oil.

suydam

stickguy said:

the key is to push the snow up the street, not down. That way the plow pushes it up in your neighbors driveway, not back into yours!

This is the country. Neighbor's driveway was half an acre down the road.

venture

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer50,
Might be 5k or 6 months, whichever comes first.
Do you have an oil life monitor? Check that if you do. Also, they don't always reset it when the oil is changed(lazy).

Maybe that's it, they didn't reset it when the oil was changed at 3000 miles. I found a YouTube that showed how to reset. It was at 3%.
Still leaves the question as to whether the system is just mile based (7500 miles) or if there is some actual reading of the oil condition.
Ford website is useless unless you register, sign in and agree to get spam.

Sometimes they do forget.
It may be based on time, mileage and driving patterns, doesn't know synthetic from real oil.
I tried the website too - that's ridiculous, sign up to get info about a car you bought from them.

Or, as a last resort, read the manual.

toomanyfumes

On my Fords, there's also a setting for the alert to come on at 100,% 80,% 60,% etc. of oil life left. I get the oil changed at the dealer quick lube, they're about 50/50 at resetting the light.

graphicguy

Mr_Shiftright said:

You could move to Hawaii, if you could find a job. (that's the hard part).

I lived in Hawaii for a little while. Got island fever, though, and Hawaiian music still drives me nuts. Some folks love it.

Had a couple of friends who moved to Hawaii and moved backt to the upper 48 a few years later. I couldn't understand how you move from paradise to the mainland.

But, they told me the same thing as you mentioned. They said there's a certain "claustraphobia" about living on the islands.

driver100

Ab....watched that video...that is enough to make me wnt to never see winter again!

https://youtu.be/0BhhsEuYXZQ

houdini1

explorerx4 said:

There are times when I really enjoy being out there cleaning up the snow from the driveway/sidewalk.
I'm definitely a #6.
http://www.boston.com/weather/untagged/2014/11/13/the-definitive-guide-to-snow-removal-personality-types
Not by March/April, though.

I am a #1, (hey, I'm #1) but my wife is a rabid #6, as long as it is me doing the clearing. A snow shovel has never touched her hands! Hell of a supervisor though.

sda

If the body shop messes up the paint or something, I don't really care so long as it doesn't drive like a crab going down the highway.

I hope that isn't the case and that is the very reason I traded our '09 Civic EX for the Accord. The Civic was still like new and had less that 60k on it. Unfortunately it was involved in a minor collision that bent the left fender and bent the left control arm on the suspension. All parts were replaced with genuine Honda items and repaired at a Honda facility. Though they insisted the car was in correct alignment it never drove the same and always felt like it was crabbing along, slightly to the right.

sda

ab348 said:

Montreal is a city that gets a lot of snow, so you'd think they know how to handle it, right? Think again:

https://youtu.be/0BhhsEuYXZQ

Snow is indeed, evil. Fun to watch though.

That looks all too familiar, ice. Are you sure that was in Montreal and not somewhere like SC?

roadburner

One of our sales advisors is going through an ordeal with a customer. I can't disclose many details except that it's an exec who makes over $3,000,000 per year and he's wanting a $100 discount on some replacement tires and also wants another $20 knocked off a mobility kit(tire inflator and goop). All for a vehicle with an MSRP north of $80,000...

Michaell

roadburner said:

One of our sales advisors is going through an ordeal with a customer. I can't disclose many details except that it's an exec who makes over $3,000,000 per year and he's wanting a $100 discount on some replacement tires and also wants another $20 knocked off a mobility kit(tire inflator and goop). All for a vehicle with an MSRP north of $80,000...

And the risk of taking a hard line with the customer is .... ?

I know there are times where a company has to "fire" a customer; this might be one of those times.

OTOH, how much business do you risk losing over $120 of discounts?

jmonroe

sda said:

ab348 said:

Montreal is a city that gets a lot of snow, so you'd think they know how to handle it, right? Think again:

https://youtu.be/0BhhsEuYXZQ

Snow is indeed, evil. Fun to watch though.

That looks all too familiar, ice. Are you sure that was in Montreal and not somewhere like SC?

There are a lot of people that know how to drive on snow, even me. However, NOBODY knows how to drive on ice. I think that studs MAY have worked on that Montreal street and that is why back in the '70's and '80's I had many studded tires.

If I had studs on that Montreal street and I was that taxi, I would have pulled over to the curb, facing up hill, then gotten out of the taxi and watched the show. That may have saved sheet metal damage.

jmonroe

qbrozen

ab348 said:

Montreal is a city that gets a lot of snow, so you'd think they know how to handle it, right? Think again:

https://youtu.be/0BhhsEuYXZQ

Snow is indeed, evil. Fun to watch though.

I'm a bit surprised about the plow. At first I thought he was sliding with the blade down, but since he is leaving snow behind as he slid, I guess not. I would have planted the blade as a brake.

jmonroe

roadburner said:

One of our sales advisors is going through an ordeal with a customer. I can't disclose many details except that it's an exec who makes over $3,000,000 per year and he's wanting a $100 discount on some replacement tires and also wants another $20 knocked off a mobility kit(tire inflator and goop). All for a vehicle with an MSRP north of $80,000...

I don't have a problem with what this customer is TRYING to do. How many times have we heard, "if you don't ask, you don't get". His income should have nothing to do with what he THINKS he can negotiate. Maybe he has the income he does because he knows how to save money.

Just curious, but how does anyone at your store know what his income is. If he told someone, then he isn't as sharp as he should be.

jmonroe

Mr_Shiftright

snakeweasel said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

qbrozen said:

fintail said:

You know it goes both ways, right?

Well of course. CA wouldn't be trying to take their ball and go home if they LIKED the other kids. 

Well of course they hate us. I mean, if you were the high school kid who was not only handsome but rushed 100 yards every game, had a 4.0 grade point average and whose dad bought him a new Mustang GT convertible for graduation, you'd hate him, too right?

But California is more like that hipster know it all that thinks he is better than you because he buys his $7.50 cup of coffee at some place you can't pronounce.

Well there's that, but California also delivers. It leads the nation in many fields of endeavor---INCLUDING FOOTBALL & BASKETBALL at the moment, I might add.

Mr_Shiftright

roadburner said:

One of our sales advisors is going through an ordeal with a customer. I can't disclose many details except that it's an exec who makes over $3,000,000 per year and he's wanting a $100 discount on some replacement tires and also wants another $20 knocked off a mobility kit(tire inflator and goop). All for a vehicle with an MSRP north of $80,000...

Now you know how he makes $3M a year!

roadburner

jmonroe said:

roadburner said:

One of our sales advisors is going through an ordeal with a customer. I can't disclose many details except that it's an exec who makes over $3,000,000 per year and he's wanting a $100 discount on some replacement tires and also wants another $20 knocked off a mobility kit(tire inflator and goop). All for a vehicle with an MSRP north of $80,000...

I don't have a problem with what this customer is TRYING to do. How many times have we heard, "if you don't ask, you don't get". His income should have nothing to do with what he THINKS he can negotiate. Maybe he has the income he does because he knows how to save money.

Just curious, but how does anyone at your store know what his income is. If he told someone, then he isn't as sharp as he should be.

jmonroe

He's the CEO of a major corporation. I can't say more.

Michaell

Mr_Shiftright said:

roadburner said:

One of our sales advisors is going through an ordeal with a customer. I can't disclose many details except that it's an exec who makes over $3,000,000 per year and he's wanting a $100 discount on some replacement tires and also wants another $20 knocked off a mobility kit(tire inflator and goop). All for a vehicle with an MSRP north of $80,000...

Now you know how he makes $3M a year!

I felt that way when I delivered pizza. Would deliver to a gated community and get "eh" tips. Figured that folks who live there understood the value of money and didn't pay more than they felt the service was worth.

I'd get great tips from apartment complexes and rental properties; many of those people were probably in the service industry themselves and had sympathy for the pizza delivery guy.

Mr_Shiftright

Quite frankly, I have little sympathy when a dealer gets the "grind". It's payback time! They created the environment, so they can cope with it. Besides, the Germans are utterly shameless with their options list.

PF_Flyer

Michaell said:

stickguy said:

I hate snow. with a passion. would not care in the least if I never saw it in person again. as you can tell, I don't ski.

+1 on that. Gravity, snow and trees do not make for a good combination. Ask Sonny Bono.

After 20+ years in Colorado, I'm more than ready for a change to warmer climes. As the wife says, you don't have to shovel heat.

True, but you can build things with snow. you can move it out of your way and it says put. Water tends to go where it wants to and where you don't want it to.

stever

I miss the snow, but at least I have White Sands an hour away.

graphicguy

Michaell said:

roadburner said:

One of our sales advisors is going through an ordeal with a customer. I can't disclose many details except that it's an exec who makes over $3,000,000 per year and he's wanting a $100 discount on some replacement tires and also wants another $20 knocked off a mobility kit(tire inflator and goop). All for a vehicle with an MSRP north of $80,000...

And the risk of taking a hard line with the customer is .... ?

I know there are times where a company has to "fire" a customer; this might be one of those times.

OTOH, how much business do you risk losing over $120 of discounts?

Good point!

I used to be one of those "gotta get the last nickel out of the deal" person. I came to the conclusion my time is worth something and I had much better things to do than to sit at a negotiation table for hours on end. That gave birth to my "offer all in and walk if it's rejected" style.

The dealer has nothing else better to do than to sit and grind you, regardless of your income or corporate status.

The customer is already upset, even if the dealer doesn't offer the $100 tire discount and $20 off some sort of other accessory. So, what does the dealer lose by letting him walk? Is he going to continue to harass the dealership even after the sale? Sounds like it may be probable.

I understand that the dealers fostered much of this behavior, but we're a far cry from where we were 20, even just 10 years ago, when purchasing a vehicle.

Hard to believe, but I fall on the dealer's side on this one (given the facts we know).

driver100

Michaell said:

roadburner said:

One of our sales advisors is going through an ordeal with a customer. I can't disclose many details except that it's an exec who makes over $3,000,000 per year and he's wanting a $100 discount on some replacement tires and also wants another $20 knocked off a mobility kit(tire inflator and goop). All for a vehicle with an MSRP north of $80,000...

And the risk of taking a hard line with the customer is .... ?

I know there are times where a company has to "fire" a customer; this might be one of those times.

OTOH, how much business do you risk losing over $120 of discounts?

Hide the $120 in the DOC fees......it will be a win/win...he thinks he gottya....but, you got him.

oldfarmer50

henryn said:

My 2013 F150 and now 2015 F150, the oil change light comes on at 12 months. I'm not sure about the miles, I've never driven enough miles to trip the light before 12 months rolls around. I have the vague impression it's supposed to be 7,500 miles or 12 months, whichever comes first. With some adjustment made for driving conditions (heat, short trips, high revs, whatever).

And no, it does not know about regular versus synthetic. With newer Fords, you are supposed to be using their semi-synthetic oil.

Yeah I mis spoke, Ford says 7500 mile oil changes but I'm unlikely to let it go that long. I use full synthetic every 5000-6000 depending on my OCD.

Still like to know how the system works. Is it strictly a mileage/duration system or is it actually testing the oil. If it's just a pre programmed notice I'd feel insulted that they think I can't keep track of my oil changes.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

One of our sales advisors is going through an ordeal with a customer. I can't disclose many details except that it's an exec who makes over $3,000,000 per year and he's wanting a $100 discount on some replacement tires and also wants another $20 knocked off a mobility kit(tire inflator and goop). All for a vehicle with an MSRP north of $80,000...

At that income level money is just a way of keeping score. Just tell him he "won" and he'll be happy with $1.

dino001

roadburner said:

One of our sales advisors is going through an ordeal with a customer. I can't disclose many details except that it's an exec who makes over $3,000,000 per year and he's wanting a $100 discount on some replacement tires and also wants another $20 knocked off a mobility kit(tire inflator and goop). All for a vehicle with an MSRP north of $80,000...

Well, the fact that somebody makes $3M does not immediately entitle sellers to a higher price. However, if I were such a person, I might value my time over that money, i.e. not sweat small stuff - if one hour of my time were worth thousand bucks, or so, I might not think arguing for $100 is worth more than a minute, if that. I don't make that kind of money, so $100 is $100 to me, no matter what the context of spending it. On the third hand , money is often the way these kind of people keep score. Their need to "win" at every confrontation (they see the transaction as such) makes them want to strip the dealer from profit, so they can brag about it later to whomever they think will be impressed.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

henryn said:

My 2013 F150 and now 2015 F150, the oil change light comes on at 12 months. I'm not sure about the miles, I've never driven enough miles to trip the light before 12 months rolls around. I have the vague impression it's supposed to be 7,500 miles or 12 months, whichever comes first. With some adjustment made for driving conditions (heat, short trips, high revs, whatever).

And no, it does not know about regular versus synthetic. With newer Fords, you are supposed to be using their semi-synthetic oil.

Yeah I mis spoke, Ford says 7500 mile oil changes but I'm unlikely to let it go that long. I use full synthetic every 5000-6000 depending on my OCD.

Still like to know how the system works. Is it strictly a mileage/duration system or is it actually testing the oil. If it's just a pre programmed notice I'd feel insulted that they think I can't keep track of my oil changes.

It keeps track of your driving patterns and time. It builds in a buffer period so you don't have to change oil earlier than it says. They are very accurate. It doesn't test the oil, just knows by the way the car is driven, probably can add in temperature conditions too.

EDMUNDS HOW OIL MONITOR WORKS

driver100

The $3 million a year man wants to believe he is a powerful negotiator, and has a need to win. He is squabbling over $120 which shouldn't go to him (though a small price to pay to sell an $80,000 car), but, most importantly....it tells us what an arrogant power hungry individual he is.....he has to feel he got the best of the deal....a sad way to go through life. The time and energy aren't worth it, unless you have a serious problem.

dino001

Mr_Shiftright said:

Quite frankly, I have little sympathy when a dealer gets the "grind". It's payback time! They created the environment, so they can cope with it. Besides, the Germans are utterly shameless with their options list.

Hear, hear! Sell it at one price to everybody (not necessarily MSRP), then you don't have those problems. The price is X, take it or leave it, no running after you when you get to a car and drive away.

BTW, my recent "special VIP offers" from my current BMW dealer make me even less sympathetic. They actually made me waste time and open the piece of garbage "offer" email with something "so special" as $1000 off on a 2017 or $2500 off on 2016 (essentially mfr's credit) and marked up (no kidding, they really added 1% to whatever is on the BMW corporate website for consumer to see) interest rate. I guess their understanding of VIP is that you can pay more than guy off the street. So I'd rather stay non-VIP then.

So not much sympathy from me, either. I'm fairly non-confrontational, which unfortunately creates opportunities to be taken advantage (all I can do is research upfront and walk away, I'm not really that good in grinding down), so once in a while somebody unreasonable at least keeps the system in check for all of us. My problem with the dealers is that it's never enough for them. Buy at MSRP? Oh, I forgot, there is a nice $500 "facilitation" fee (sometimes even $1000). Agreed to that - here is our first class mop-n-glo. Bought that? Surely you must want GAP, extended warranty, wheel protection package, too then.

jmonroe

roadburner said:

jmonroe said:

roadburner said:

One of our sales advisors is going through an ordeal with a customer. I can't disclose many details except that it's an exec who makes over $3,000,000 per year and he's wanting a $100 discount on some replacement tires and also wants another $20 knocked off a mobility kit(tire inflator and goop). All for a vehicle with an MSRP north of $80,000...

I don't have a problem with what this customer is TRYING to do. How many times have we heard, "if you don't ask, you don't get". His income should have nothing to do with what he THINKS he can negotiate. Maybe he has the income he does because he knows how to save money.

Just curious, but how does anyone at your store know what his income is. If he told someone, then he isn't as sharp as he should be.

jmonroe

He's the CEO of a major corporation. I can't say more.

I guess that is the down side of being in the public.

I never liked the idea of any one asking me my salary when I financed something like cars and even houses. When I was asked for loan purposes, I always told them something less. Usually 20 to 30 K a year less. I was never even close to buying what my income said I COULD buy, so, something less should not need as much income. It always worked for me.

I have an interesting story about this:

I knew my companies policy when a lender wanted to verify income. They never gave out that info without a consent form from the employee but they would verify employment history without a consent form. When I was buying my second house the woman I knew in payroll called one day and ask if she could provide my income and wanted me to sign a form to relinquish that info. I asked her to get back to the lender and ask what income was needed for the loan I wanted. She said, "hang on I'll set up a three way call so you can hear what they want". The guy asked how much I made and I said, "how much is required for the loan". The answer was a minimum of $$$$$. I then said to the woman in payroll, "can you verify for this gentleman that I meet the minimum". She did and he hung up happy. Then she sent a form for my signature showing the minimum amount he wanted to see (actually, we bumped it up a few grand) and sent it to the lender.

There are too many places that personal info can go to, so I don't provide the real information. Only what they NEED to know.

jmonroe

ab348

There is a downside to being a publicly-known figure like that CEO. Maybe the upsides outweigh them, but they do exist.

A dozen or so years ago, the CEO at the place I worked - a government-owned corporation - hit all his targets and got a bonus of $45K, IIRC. It was deserved as he did a really good job and in reality the bonus should not have even been in his contract, it should have been just rolled into his salary from the start, but whatever.

Since we were publicly-owned, that figure had to be made public and of course it made the news here. When the media reported it, the local paper decided to get creative and ran a story that said something like "Liquor Boss Get Bonus; Equal to 1200 cases of beer" or whatever the number was. They even printed a little infographic showing a stack of beer cases. Naturally that generated all kinds of online commentary.

I remember he was absolutely flabbergasted at the whole thing, having no previous experience in a publicly-owned organization that had to disclose things like that. Apparently even his neighbors in the development where he lived would bring it up. He talked about it on and off for the rest of his time with us so it made a real impression. He's been gone for 11 years but was in town last month and I had lunch with him. He mentioned it again in the course of conversation. It left a lasting mark I guess.

roadburner

From my point of view, I could understand the guy wanting to save $1000, but trying for that last $120(which he wound up getting, BTW) just seems petty. My center doesn't pad the sticker with ADM charges or mop & glo- and most of our cars are advertised online for $2k to $5k under MSRP. The sales staff is professional and anything but pushy or high pressure.
We had another celebrity couple who argued over $20/month on a 24 month lease. Again, extremely wealthy(and obnoxious).

driver100

Ab....I can just imagine the guys neighbors....Hey honey there is the guy who got a bonus equal to the price of 2000 cases of beer.

roadrunner, some people just aren't happy unless they can get something extra...they have to feel they got the best of the deal.

jmonroe

roadburner said:

From my point of view, I could understand the guy wanting to save $1000, but trying for that last $120(which he wound up getting, BTW) just seems petty. My center doesn't pad the sticker with ADM charges or mop & glo- and most of our cars are advertised online for $2k to $5k under MSRP. The sales staff is professional and anything but pushy or high pressure.
We had another celebrity couple who argued over $20/month on a 24 month lease. Again, extremely wealthy(and obnoxious).

Like I said before, it didn't bother me that this exec wanted that extra $120. It must have been doable or your dealership wouldn't have done it. So, what is wrong with what he did? IMO, being petty would be your dealership saying NO, if in fact, they could have said YES. Why is it OK to overcharge anyone if you don't have to? The car biz created this sort of attitude about how they do business so don't blame buyers when they think they can get a better price.

It never hurts to ask.

jmonroe

graphicguy

My ex was a school teacher. In the yearly community "state of the school system" publication, her salary was listed. Irritated her to no end, and I understand why. But, that's the nature of the best.

A $45K bonus for a CEO isn't really all that much for someone at that level. Upper middle, even middle management would get a bonus of that size for a bang up year, though.

fintail

Mark up something else by $1000 and give him the $120?

Sure am glad that brave demographic who has done so much for the world is winning all of the tax gifts

roadburner said:

From my point of view, I could understand the guy wanting to save $1000, but trying for that last $120(which he wound up getting, BTW) just seems petty. My center doesn't pad the sticker with ADM charges or mop & glo- and most of our cars are advertised online for $2k to $5k under MSRP. The sales staff is professional and anything but pushy or high pressure.
We had another celebrity couple who argued over $20/month on a 24 month lease. Again, extremely wealthy(and obnoxious).

explorerx4

Stock options are where a lot of upper management make their real money.

houdini1

roadburner said:

From my point of view, I could understand the guy wanting to save $1000, but trying for that last $120(which he wound up getting, BTW) just seems petty. My center doesn't pad the sticker with ADM charges or mop & glo- and most of our cars are advertised online for $2k to $5k under MSRP. The sales staff is professional and anything but pushy or high pressure.
We had another celebrity couple who argued over $20/month on a 24 month lease. Again, extremely wealthy(and obnoxious).

I read somewhere that most, if not all, CEO's of major corps. are psychopaths. Very hard people to understand and deal with, to say the least.

I lost a very large national acct. once when one of our acct. assistants was in tears talking to this guy over some minor detail. A regular pattern for this guy. He demanded to speak to me, so I took the call and listened to him for a short while, then told him that no one in our office was going to take his abuse any more and suggested that maybe it was time for a change. He started screaming and I hung up on him. We did lose the acct. but my big boss backed me up. We were also a large national company, so his business had very little impact on our bottom line. Overall, a very satisfying experience.

explorerx4

New 2014 for sale!
http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/florida-dealer-offering-brand-new-2014-chevy-camaro-z-28-at-dollar25000-discount/ar-AAlby8F?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=DELLDHP

qbrozen

explorerx4 said:

New 2014 for sale! http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/florida-dealer-offering-brand-new-2014-chevy-camaro-z-28-at-dollar25000-discount/ar-AAlby8F?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=DELLDHP

I am surprised it is so reasonably priced