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driver100

tjc78 said:

Every car manufacturer has many different levels of service related documentation.   In GG's (extremely unfortunate) case someone identified a very small amount of cars with a serious problem.   It was communicated to the owners to avoid fires, injury, etc   It obviously is not a full blown recall that affects tens of thousands of cars, just a small sampling.  

Do you have any idea the amount of TSBs each auto maker issues every year?  

Caddy's handling of GGs situation is beyond deplorable.  At some point in time a decision has to be realized that the parts to fix said vehicle are taking too long to come in and restitution must be made.   A new equivalent vehicle should have been provided.   To make matters worse, at the tail end (when Caddy corporate was pushing I'm sure) the dealer rushed the job and gave him back a car that wasn't put back together properly.   

I went through a very similar situation with my 98 Olds 88.  Bought it brand new off the showroom floor and in the 11 months I owned it that car was in the shop for at least 3 months.  At one point I went to the dealer to check on it and the entire (read: Entire) interior was torn out looking for the water leak.   I about lost my mind.   To make a long story short, I said stop everything you are doing... put it back together and I want it back by EOD tomorrow.   They did just that and I traded it in on a rainy day with wet floors.  I took an absolute beating.   

The car hadn't been right for months.  The interior rattled, the electronics worked when they want to.  GM didn't givr a crap, they just said "our only obligation is to keep repairing under warranty".

I was too young at the time to fully fight them and just cut my losses. 

@graphicguy I feel your pain. Good luck with arbitration and getting your money back.  

WOW! And yet you bought another GM product......2015 Buick Enclave. I know Buick has great dependability these days, but, I think those experiences would have steered most people away from another GM product.

Our 95 Volvo kept stalling and 3 dealers couldn't fix it properly. We paid a penalty early lease return, and I am not saying I would never buy another Volvo, but, there would have to be a very compelling reason for me to buy another one. Maybe some people are more forgiving than others.

qbrozen

driver100 said:

Every car manufacturer has many different levels of service related documentation.   In GG's (extremely unfortunate) case someone identified a very small amount of cars with a serious problem.   It was communicated to the owners to avoid fires, injury, etc   It obviously is not a full blown recall that affects tens of thousands of cars, just a small sampling.  

Do you have any idea the amount of TSBs each auto maker issues every year?  

Caddy's handling of GGs situation is beyond deplorable.  At some point in time a decision has to be realized that the parts to fix said vehicle are taking too long to come in and restitution must be made.   A new equivalent vehicle should have been provided.   To make matters worse, at the tail end (when Caddy corporate was pushing I'm sure) the dealer rushed the job and gave him back a car that wasn't put back together properly.   

I went through a very similar situation with my 98 Olds 88.  Bought it brand new off the showroom floor and in the 11 months I owned it that car was in the shop for at least 3 months.  At one point I went to the dealer to check on it and the entire (read: Entire) interior was torn out looking for the water leak.   I about lost my mind.   To make a long story short, I said stop everything you are doing... put it back together and I want it back by EOD tomorrow.   They did just that and I traded it in on a rainy day with wet floors.  I took an absolute beating.   

The car hadn't been right for months.  The interior rattled, the electronics worked when they want to.  GM didn't givr a crap, they just said "our only obligation is to keep repairing under warranty".

I was too young at the time to fully fight them and just cut my losses. 

@graphicguy I feel your pain. Good luck with arbitration and getting your money back.  

WOW! And yet you bought another GM product......2015 Buick Enclave. I know Buick has great dependability these days, but, I think those experiences would have steered most people away from another GM product. Our 95 Volvo kept stalling and 3 dealers couldn't fix it properly. We paid a penalty early lease return, and I am not saying I would never buy another Volvo, but, there would have to be a very compelling reason for me to buy another one. Maybe some people are more forgiving than others.

I am definitely more forgiving. I mean, look at it in an extreme case: if you had a Hyundai Excel in the late '80s/early '90s, would you still hold that awful experience against a manufacturer of some of the most reliable cars today?

sda

It took dad about 10 years before he bought another GM car after his horrible experience with his '79 Eldorado diesel. Mom ended up a '87 Taurus, and dad a '85 Mercury Grand Marquis. Both were good cars, but deep down dad was a GM man. He went back to Olds which he always liked and bought a '95 Cutlass Ciera SL II and for mom a '98 Aurora with the autobahn suspension. Mom's three favorite cars was her '72 Cutlass Supreme, '78 98 Regency and her '98 Aurora. I'm sure they would still have an Olds if they were making them. Times change and mom has a Honda CR-V, dad is legally blind so he hasn't been able to drive for the past 10 years.

houdini1

suydam said:

ab348 said:

The straight dope is hard to come by sometimes. It's almost as bad as that FAKE NEWS Forbes article.

I know you're only joking but could you please knock off the fake news riffs? You live in Canada. You're not in a country where our president just barred legitimate news outlets from a press conference. It's a pretty serious situation.

Horse Hockey.

imidazol97

tjc78 said:

They did just that and I traded it in on a rainy day with wet floors.

Sunroof drains? Trunk wheel well open seam allowing road spray in which runs foward.

tjc78 said:

electronics worked when they want to

Ground blocks corrosion under carpet and doorsill beside driver and passenger seats. Snap in connectors on instrument cluster.

Dealers need to have workers who are diagnostic rather than being directed by a tech writer who may or may not have been a tech/mechanic.

imidazol97

driver100 said:

Our 95 Volvo kept stalling and 3 dealers couldn't fix it properly. We paid a penalty early lease return, and I am not saying I would never buy another Volvo, but, there would have to be a very compelling reason for me to buy another one. Maybe some people are more forgiving than others.

Motorweek did a review of a new Volvo 90 and they were describing and it sounded like they tried to lower the volume or the speaker choked when he said it was a Chinese engine.

I thought about all the criticism a major car company has taken about Chinese engines and yet Motorweek was lovin' that car. http://www.motorweek.org/reviews/road_tests/2017-volvo-s90/

I didn't watch the online playback of the video, but the text is clear about the Chinese engine. Sort of like going to local Ikea and everything, almost, is tagged with "Swedish excellence" or something to that effect. And if you look everywhere you'll find the "Made in China" label. LOL They try to make folks think the products are made by the Swiss.

imidazol97

houdini1 said:

Horse Hockey.

X2

suydam

driver100 said:

tjc78 said:

Every car manufacturer has many different levels of service related documentation.   In GG's (extremely unfortunate) case someone identified a very small amount of cars with a serious problem.   It was communicated to the owners to avoid fires, injury, etc   It obviously is not a full blown recall that affects tens of thousands of cars, just a small sampling.  

Do you have any idea the amount of TSBs each auto maker issues every year?  

Caddy's handling of GGs situation is beyond deplorable.  At some point in time a decision has to be realized that the parts to fix said vehicle are taking too long to come in and restitution must be made.   A new equivalent vehicle should have been provided.   To make matters worse, at the tail end (when Caddy corporate was pushing I'm sure) the dealer rushed the job and gave him back a car that wasn't put back together properly.   

I went through a very similar situation with my 98 Olds 88.  Bought it brand new off the showroom floor and in the 11 months I owned it that car was in the shop for at least 3 months.  At one point I went to the dealer to check on it and the entire (read: Entire) interior was torn out looking for the water leak.   I about lost my mind.   To make a long story short, I said stop everything you are doing... put it back together and I want it back by EOD tomorrow.   They did just that and I traded it in on a rainy day with wet floors.  I took an absolute beating.   

The car hadn't been right for months.  The interior rattled, the electronics worked when they want to.  GM didn't givr a crap, they just said "our only obligation is to keep repairing under warranty".

I was too young at the time to fully fight them and just cut my losses. 

@graphicguy I feel your pain. Good luck with arbitration and getting your money back.  

WOW! And yet you bought another GM product......2015 Buick Enclave. I know Buick has great dependability these days, but, I think those experiences would have steered most people away from another GM product.

Our 95 Volvo kept stalling and 3 dealers couldn't fix it properly. We paid a penalty early lease return, and I am not saying I would never buy another Volvo, but, there would have to be a very compelling reason for me to buy another one. Maybe some people are more forgiving than others.

Well, GM of those days and now are quite different. My current vehicle,es are the first two GM cars I've ever owned. Times do change
Is there a reason to be rude if you disagree with someone? I think it's time for me to exit this conversation for awhile.

houdini1

I don't necessarily disagree with you, just tired of your political posts.

graphicguy

driver100 said:

graphicguy said:

driver100 said:

graphicguy said:

driver100 said:

GG, I was wondering about something. I have tried looking up recall notices for a 2016 Cadillac CTS, and I can't find any that mention a gas line harness or anything like that.

If I check the Cadillac site I can check by VIN number. I don't have your VIN so I can't check, but it might be interesting for you to see if it comes up;
CADILLAC RECALL NOTICES

Maybe your car was recalled, or maybe they just call it a recall because they get dinged less for a recall than a major fault.

Y'all are correct. Dealer said car is fixed, bring back the loaner. This, after GM told me the parts would not be available until end of this month, or even next month (maybe longer). I took the loaner back, picked up the CTS. It drove terribly, darting from lane to lane, and the steering feeling like it had bushings that were 150K miles old. Lots of play in the steering, to the point it felt dangerous. Transmission shifted hard....all-in-all it was clear something was wrong. Took it back. They gave me another loaner, and that's the way it's been ever since. It's still at the dealership service dept, either unfixable, or awaiting more parts, which are again hard to come by.

Not sure what is still wrong, and no one has told me (and yes, I've called the dealer's service dept to find out). This has now stretched out to two months.....and counting that the CTS has been undriveable.

I had been test driving different cars in anticipation that regardless of what Cadillac did, it wasn't going to be in my garage any more.

Found it interesting that they did not have any recall listed when I looked it up, either. AB348 found the reference to it, which was the same as they wrote on my service ticket. That is (paraphrased) wiring and harness was routed to close to the ½ shaft and exhaust. This would cause chafing, and or melting of the wiring insulation and associated pieces to secure the harness and the wiring. This would cause the wiring to arc, resulting in fire.

Here's the vin#....1G6AX5SX7G0107602.

Looking at the notice, it's not actually called a recall (although that's what the dealership called it). GM calls it a Field Action Service Update. That number is....N162033530

To those of you who have access, would like to hear what's going on with the car, as the information I'm getting is either incorrect, or an attempt to delay.

GG, Can't get the Field Action Report....probably an internal document. I did use your VIN and got this message;

Currently, there are no recalls or programs associated with your 2016 Cadillac CTS A
VIN: 1G6AX5SX7G0107602
Results last updated: Feb 24, 2017

So, when is a recall not a recall....when you can't find it on their own web site?

Somebody, somewhere, ain't being honest about the (many) problems with the CTS.

GG, if you get a chance check out this site with 2016 CTS transmission problems. They talk about a clunking transmission in colder weather. See if it is the same as you experienced.

2016 Cadillac CTS transmission problems

Driver....yes, jerky as can be in the CTS. Smooth as can be in the CT6 with the V6. Mine does have the "start-stop" feature. Again, barely noticeable in the '17 CT6 with the V6. Noticeable in the CTS with the 2.0T. In fairness, it's less obtrusive than what I experienced in the C300 my sister has, but hers is a '15 model. The one I test drove was much better.

Interestingly, I didn't know my CTS had a recall on it until the dealer told me. Someone's trying to keep this quiet. And, given it's not published and I can't seem to find any online sources reporting the same thing, I think it is limited in scope. Or, at least that's what they're saying. Why would it be a problem on my car (or a few others) and not on everyone's? Why does it take so long to fix? Get parts?

Not a conspiracy theorist generally speaking, but I'm not being told the whole truth with this car.

fintail

She won! Probably both votes, too

I am sure the Caddy has that, it's a trend now. It can usually be overridden in the menus or via a button on the dash (as it is in MBs). I often turn mine off if in traffic where I stop every 100 feet for 10 miles, or in tight parking maneuvers.

oldfarmer50 said:

I'd vote Liza Simpson for first woman president.

Too lazy to look it up. Does the Caddy CTS4 have that feature where the engine turns off-on at stop lights? I was next to one and heard the engine start when the light turned green.

I'd hate that.

graphicguy

Thanks, TJC. I'm determined this time. I know it's a David vs Goliath scenario. But, their treatment of me has been my motivator. GM is trying to make this as difficult as possible. I was thinking last night, what a miserable job it must be to be a Cadillac Customer Service rep. They are neither focosed on the Customer, or Service! Not sure what it is they do.

Got a call from the dealership this a.m. (General Manager) Not sure what GM has told them, but they want their loaner back. Not sure what Cadillac told GM, but he acted like he didn't know what was going on. He said he thought I was a happy ower. Yeah....that's why I've had the loaner(s) for two months.

I know where this goes from here. Now, it really gets contentious.

qbrozen

imidazol97 said:

Our 95 Volvo kept stalling and 3 dealers couldn't fix it properly. We paid a penalty early lease return, and I am not saying I would never buy another Volvo, but, there would have to be a very compelling reason for me to buy another one. Maybe some people are more forgiving than others.

Motorweek did a review of a new Volvo 90 and they were describing and it sounded like they tried to lower the volume or the speaker choked when he said it was a Chinese engine. I thought about all the criticism a major car company has taken about Chinese engines and yet Motorweek was lovin' that car. http://www.motorweek.org/reviews/road_tests/2017-volvo-s90/ I didn't watch the online playback of the video, but the text is clear about the Chinese engine. Sort of like going to local Ikea and everything, almost, is tagged with "Swedish excellence" or something to that effect. And if you look everywhere you'll find the "Made in China" label. LOL They try to make folks think the products are made by the Swiss.

1. The Swiss don't live in Sweden.
2. Volvo invested $2B in their Skövde engine plant to produce their new 4-cyl engines, so I don't know where this idea of Chinese engines comes from. I'd like to see their source. They have built plants in China, but I'm pretty sure that is to make engines for that country's cars and cars being exported from their (S60L). It would not make much sense for them to import engines to Sweden rather than use the ones they are already building there. I could be wrong because companies have done dumber things. BTW, the engine plant in Sweden was complete well before the Chinese one from the info I found.

Mr_Shiftright

Grudges die hard with car buyers. I have this theory that it takes an automaker as long to get out of the ditch as it did to get into it. So if you made bad cars for 10 years, it's going to be another 10 (at least) before anyone trusts you again.

Even more interesting, not all bad cars bear grudges. Sometimes buyers will forgive a bad car because it has some other attribute they really liked (e.g., Saabs, Jaguars in the 70s, 80s and early 90s).

abacomike

I was pulling into my parking space earlier this morning after finishing my walk up at the mall, and I noticed one of the people who lives in my building was wiping off a brand new Lincoln Continental - we had heavy fog last night and early this morning, so all the cars were filled with condensation. So after parking my car, I walked over to the guy, whom I do not know, to introduce myself and to admire his Lincoln Continental.

We shook hands and we started talking about his experiences buying the Lincoln from the local dealer about a mile or so from our complex. He has what they call the "Reserve" 4 door model with the optional 3.0L V6. He said the dealer had to locate a car for him because they only had 2 in stock - both the least expensive model. So they brought one in for him from a dealer in Palm Beach County. The color is really nice, called Burgundy Velvet Metallic Tinted Clearcoat with Cappuccino interior. He also has the Technology Package, the Luxury Package and the upgraded Seating Package with thigh extenders. He showed me the sticker and it MSRP's for $65,850. He said he paid cash for it and ended up paying $62,000 plus tax, tag, dealer fee, etc. Very sharp looking car and it had all the goodies you'd want in a luxury car.

He was on his way to put some gas in his car and wanted to know if I wanted to take a ride with him. I accepted and we went over to Costco - place was jammed with cars waiting for gas (267.9 a gallon for premium which is 30 cents a gallon less than anyone else in the area). The seats are extremely comfortable and the interior is rich and well laid out. Leather is soft and the thigh extenders a must for 6 footers, that's for sure. Car rode smoothly. It's a FWD model. He got the larger chrome wheels and tires. Lots of room in the back seat and the trunk is a nice size. Had lots of torque and power. When he filled the car up, he asked if I would like to drive it home. Of course I didn't hesitate.

Since we did not go onto an interstate or the turnpike, I have no idea how it rides at higher speeds, but I was pretty impressed with the car's pick-up form a standing stop. I felt a little torque in the steering wheel and chalked that up to the FWD, but otherwise, it was a great riding and handling car. The suspension was a bit softer and looser than my BMW, but all-in-all, a very nice car for about $62,000 - or what you would probably pay for a Cadillac CT6. Quite frankly, I test drove the CT6 and like the CT6 much better than the Continental. If I had a choice and was in the market for a car similar to the CT6 and Continental, the CT6 would be my choice.

From what GG has posted about his experiences with the CT6, it would be a reasonable choice.

I asked him why he chose to buy a Lincoln Continental rather than the Cadillac or the Genesis or a BMW or a Mercedes. He said he's been a Ford man for most of his life and trusted that Ford was the Manufacturer of the Lincoln. I guess that says everything - we've all grown up with our parents preferring certain brands of cars and his folks, from what he told me, always had Ford, Mercury or Lincoln products. I wished him much luck with his new car and gave him my phone number since he likes to play Bridge. Hopefully, I met someone with similar interests. There's quite a few families/people in my building whom I've never met or seen. Many of them live on the other side of the building which I do not frequent very much. Our building has a very slight "V" shape to it with the elevator in the middle. So I don't get to see the other side much.

abacomike

qbrozen said:

imidazol97 said:

Our 95 Volvo kept stalling and 3 dealers couldn't fix it properly. We paid a penalty early lease return, and I am not saying I would never buy another Volvo, but, there would have to be a very compelling reason for me to buy another one. Maybe some people are more forgiving than others.

Motorweek did a review of a new Volvo 90 and they were describing and it sounded like they tried to lower the volume or the speaker choked when he said it was a Chinese engine.

I thought about all the criticism a major car company has taken about Chinese engines and yet Motorweek was lovin' that car. http://www.motorweek.org/reviews/road_tests/2017-volvo-s90/

I didn't watch the online playback of the video, but the text is clear about the Chinese engine. Sort of like going to local Ikea and everything, almost, is tagged with "Swedish excellence" or something to that effect. And if you look everywhere you'll find the "Made in China" label. LOL They try to make folks think the products are made by the Swiss.

1. The Swiss don't live in Sweden.
2. Volvo invested $2B in their Skövde engine plant to produce their new 4-cyl engines, so I don't know where this idea of Chinese engines comes from. I'd like to see their source. They have built plants in China, but I'm pretty sure that is to make engines for that country's cars and cars being exported from their (S60L). It would not make much sense for them to import engines to Sweden rather than use the ones they are already building there. I could be wrong because companies have done dumber things. BTW, the engine plant in Sweden was complete well before the Chinese one from the info I found.

Ditto on #1 - The Swiss Don't Live In Sweden! Although, I am sure there are some Swedes who live in Switzerland and vice versa - but generally, the Swiss live in Switzerland and the Swedes live in Sweden. LOL!!!

And I thought I didn't learn anything in 1st grade - huh!!!

driver100

graphicguy said:

Thanks, TJC. I'm determined this time. I know it's a David vs Goliath scenario. But, their treatment of me has been my motivator. GM is trying to make this as difficult as possible. I was thinking last night, what a miserable job it must be to be a Cadillac Customer Service rep. They are neither focosed on the Customer, or Service! Not sure what it is they do.

Got a call from the dealership this a.m. (General Manager) Not sure what GM has told them, but they want their loaner back. Not sure what Cadillac told GM, but he acted like he didn't know what was going on. He said he thought I was a happy ower. Yeah....that's why I've had the loaner(s) for two months.

I know where this goes from here. Now, it really gets contentious.

I'd ask them why they want the loaner back. Aren't you entitled to a loaner if your car is in for a recall issue? I wouldn't give it back to easily, and I would make them write out a reason for wanting the loaner back.

PF_Flyer

Since we live in the age of OMG!!!, I'm not sure if this is a story that will have a large real world effect or not.

Electric Car Battery Suppliers Scramble as Hedge Funds Snap up Cobalt

driver100

Mike, interesting review. I think that is a hard sell though, a big luxury car with FWD. You would have to be like JM and not care about driving dynamics to pay $62k for a car and accept that it has FWD....why do that? Does that mean there is no AWD version?

Usually Cadillac comes out with better cars than comparable Lincolns...but, usually Lincoln can offer their cars for substantially less.....this doesn't sound like much less.

Nice that you met another bridge player....I have been studying the dynamics of life and people lately, it is amazing where talking to someone new can lead to all kinds of new experiences and friendships.

tjc78

@driver100
I gave GM another shot after almost 14 years and bought a 2012 LaCrosse which aside from one major warranty repair (crankshaft seal) was flawless.  Wife wanted an SUV and after comparing everything the Enclave was the one for us.  Same powertrain and aside from warped rotors has been flawless in over two years.  GM is far from perfect (obviously, look at GGs CTS) but much improved over 1998.

@imidazol97
Sunroof drains were checked repeatedly.   It was definitely something in the body panels.  They globbed sealant all over that car, so much you could see it when you opened the doors and looked at the body seams.  It was a disgrace.   Sometimes depending on the rain you could submerge your hand.  

Im sure everything was corroded causing the electrical problems.   I pity the poor person who ended up with that car.  What a shame I really liked it and at the time it was hard to beat the 3800/4spd combo for performance and economy.  

houdini1

When I owned a front wheel drive Acura RL, I found it to hold the road very well, especially in crosswinds. I think this was due to a heavier front end and front wheel drive. Good in snow too.

roadburner

I wouldn't want an AWD Lincoln either, since it's still FWD biased. That said, I strongly suspect that most Lincoln drivers either don't know or don't care which wheels are driven- the problem is that RWD is the price of admission to that high-end market segment.

driver100

Thanks for sharing...back to GM stories.

I think most people are willing to forgive and forget if a car maker comes up with the ideal car, even after a bad experience.

I would prefer not to buy another Volvo or Audi product, but, if they had the car I really liked I would chance it again. But, that is a very big "if", I mean I would really have to like their cars a lot more than comparable competitors.

I am not very forgiving....I hold a grudge for a very long time....at least until I can get some revenge. :@

abacomike

driver100 said:

Mike, interesting review. I think that is a hard sell though, a big luxury car with FWD. You would have to be like JM and not care about driving dynamics to pay $62k for a car and accept that it has FWD....why do that? Does that mean there is no AWD version? Usually Cadillac comes out with better cars than comparable Lincolns...but, usually Lincoln can offer their cars for substantially less.....this doesn't sound like much less. Nice that you met another bridge player....I have been studying the dynamics of life and people lately, it is amazing where talking to someone new can lead to all kinds of new experiences and friendships.

There is an AWD version, but they are almost impossible to get down here.

abacomike

tjc78 said:

@driver100
I gave GM another shot after almost 14 years and bought a 2012 LaCrosse which aside from one major warranty repair (crankshaft seal) was flawless.  Wife wanted an SUV and after comparing everything the Enclave was the one for us.  Same powertrain and aside from warped rotors has been flawless in over two years.  GM is far from perfect (obviously, look at GGs CTS) but much improved over 1998.

@imidazol97
Sunroof drains were checked repeatedly.   It was definitely something in the body panels.  They globbed sealant all over that car, so much you could see it when you opened the doors and looked at the body seams.  It was a disgrace.   Sometimes depending on the rain you could submerge your hand.  

Im sure everything was corroded causing the electrical problems.   I pity the poor person who ended up with that car.  What a shame I really liked it and at the time it was hard to beat the 3800/4spd combo for performance and economy.  

I said for years I would never buy another BMW after my horrible experiences with 2-2008 535i's.  but I guess time heals many car wounds - like Shifty mentioned - it was about 8 or 9 years ago that I swore off BMW.  Then, I drove one and it was enough to change my mind. 

sda

Is Lincoln having success with the Continental? The Charlotte area is a pretty good car town and other than seeing one at the car show I haven't seen any on the road.

Mr_Shiftright

PF_Flyer said:

Since we live in the age of OMG!!!, I'm not sure if this is a story that will have a large real world effect or not.

Electric Car Battery Suppliers Scramble as Hedge Funds Snap up Cobalt

Yeah, right, until some genius figures out a better battery that doesn't use any cobalt, and then they'll be selling cobalt on street corners near freeway exits for .10 cents a lb.

ab348

tjc78 said:

Sunroof drains were checked repeatedly.   It was definitely something in the body panels.  They globbed sealant all over that car, so much you could see it when you opened the doors and looked at the body seams.  It was a disgrace.   Sometimes depending on the rain you could submerge your hand.  

Im sure everything was corroded causing the electrical problems.   I pity the poor person who ended up with that car.  What a shame I really liked it and at the time it was hard to beat the 3800/4spd combo for performance and economy.  

My brother leased a Focus wagon, I believe a 2004. The car always had wet carpets. It went back to the dealer numerous times, and on every visit they would seal up something but it never fixed the water problem. Finally he said fix it or take it back and it went in for an extended stay. He went to check on it after a week or so and they had the interior out of it and found the problem. The water was coming up through the floorboards as none of the seams or openings in it had been sealed. Apparently a bad day on the assembly line or it got missed during a shift change. He ended up leasing a new '07 Focus wagon as that one was going to be trouble even after everything was sealed up.

abacomike

sda said:

Is Lincoln having success with the Continental? The Charlotte area is a pretty good car town and other than seeing one at the car show I haven't seen any on the road.

I don't know what success they are having but I still see more MKZ's on the road than the Continental.  Front grille work is very similar between those two models, but that's where the similarity ends.

fintail

Many parts of the Seattle area are loaded with nicer new cars. I have not yet seen a Continental. Foreign cars tend to be big here, but I even saw a CT6 yesterday.

sda said:

Is Lincoln having success with the Continental? The Charlotte area is a pretty good car town and other than seeing one at the car show I haven't seen any on the road.

stickguy

GG, sadly, the best thing might have been (assuming you safely escaped!) if the scorching had turned into a full blown fire. That would have taken car of the problem up front!

my guess on this is you were the fluke owner where it did burn. So either other people have not yet checked it (and no fire) or they caught it in time, and maybe did a temporary fix (zip ties? Who knows). Or there are more cars running around getting ready to burn up at any time.

driver100

stickguy said:

GG, sadly, the best thing might have been (assuming you safely escaped!) if the scorching had turned into a full blown fire. That would have taken car of the problem up front!

my guess on this is you were the fluke owner where it did burn. So either other people have not yet checked it (and no fire) or they caught it in time, and maybe did a temporary fix (zip ties? Who knows). Or there are more cars running around getting ready to burn up at any time.

GG that brings up a good point, maybe it would put a scare into GM if you took your case directly to The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) and tell them about your experience. Is GM sweeping this under the carpet so to speak?

I think they might like to know about this issue, and it can't hurt.

abacomike

driver100 said:

GG, sadly, the best thing might have been (assuming you safely escaped!) if the scorching had turned into a full blown fire. That would have taken car of the problem up front! my guess on this is you were the fluke owner where it did burn. So either other people have not yet checked it (and no fire) or they caught it in time, and maybe did a temporary fix (zip ties? Who knows). Or there are more cars running around getting ready to burn up at any time.

GG that brings up a good point, maybe it would put a scare into GM if you took your case directly to The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) and tell them about your experience. Is GM sweeping this under the carpet so to speak? I think they might like to know about this issue, and it can't hurt.

I don't know if it would get their attention driver.  There are hundreds - maybe thousands - of cases like what GG has been through.

ab348

The bulletin I posted the link to describes "arcing" but makes no mention of fires underhood. It is a ground wire from what I understand so I'm not sure how much current there is with it.

graphicguy

ab348 said:

The bulletin I posted the link to describes "arcing" but makes no mention of fires underhood. It is a ground wire from what I understand so I'm not sure how much current there is with it.

AB...I don't think the fire was from the arcing, or maybe the arcing was only one of two causes. The other cause was friction caused by the wiring sitting on the moving half shaft. The arcing probably just added to the problem.

BTW....I told the dealership if they want their loaner, come pick it up, as I'm certainly not going to deliver it to them. I think they were kind of caught off guard by that, as they said they didn't have anyone to pick it up. I told them to call and make arrangements with me when they did. Supposed to get back to me this afternoon. They're closed now and I haven't heard a peep.

graphicguy

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Man, I need to sweep out the garage....

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28firefighter

Beautiful car, @graphicguy!

imidazol97

driver100 said:

I am not very forgiving....I hold a grudge for a very long time....at least until I can get some revenge.

We've been warned folks! LOL

houdini1

Nice GG, thanks for sharing !!

imidazol97

Beautiful red color. I love the interior color. I'd like a little more beige tone on the dash.
Needs more buttons for the radio on the stack for me. I'm old fashioned.

imidazol97

graphicguy said:

Man, I need to sweep out the garage....

Wait til spring comes back next month. It's too blustery and cold here: I want yesterday's 70 deg F back.

abacomike

@graphicguy

SWEET!!!

sda

graphicguy said:

First Class, very nice!

stickguy

love the color combo. Nice car.