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As to the price, invoice on the VP AT is $18,110 including destination. With the current $750 rebate, your price would seem to me to be $750 too high. Most of the time, you can get a new Accord for about invoice including dealer fees (or less) - then less any dealer money.
Dennis
Many people end up paying nothing for these add ons. Just say that you don't want them and the dealer may just throw them in.
You can find out prices by checking Honda's website but that includes installation. If you want to know the cost of the parts, visit H and A Accessories.
Thank you,
==Mike
You also get the "carbon fiber look" trim, if you like it. And Steering-wheel audio controls!!
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I avoid at all costs dealers who use dealer packs to increase their margins.
Of course, at the WRONG dealer they will start out negotiations with the adjusted window sticker (MSRP + packs) and their first discount move is MSRP ("giving" you all the packs). THOSE dealers are the ones to ignore.
Dennis
I have an e-mail out to a 2nd dealer to try to re-confirm this a 2nd time.
Dennis
I am not sure if the TL is wider, but the Accord has slightly more rear seat legroom than the TL, even though both cars are the exact same wheelbase.
A couple big car-seat advantages for the CR-V is that the rear seats recline a bit, so the angle can match the car seat better than most sedans. The only downside is that the tether-anchors need to go up to the roof, which does not look as tidy as the tiedown location on a sedan.
Also, it is entirely possible to use the rear cargo area to do a diaper change on the CR-V, which is not very possible in a sedan, obviously.
And finally, since the rear seats can slide forward and aft, you can create more cargo room since young-ones do not need as much legroom. And best of all, the rear seat splits and folds, so you can have one youngster in a car seat while folding the other seat half for the lumber-haul from home depot. Bottom line: love the CR-V (has 40K miles and has been perfect in every way) :shades:
Head/hip/leg room, f: 38.7/55.6/42.8 in.
Head/hip/leg room, r: 37.2/53.8/34.9 in
Honda Accord Sedan
Head/hip/leg room, f: 40.4/54.6/42.6 in.
Head/hip/leg room, r: 38.5/53.5/36.8 in.
The TL holds a negligeable advantage in rear-seat width (.3 inches).
FYI, the dealer (Hennessy) in GA is doing I4 Accord SE sedans w/AT for $19,060 (car including destination and dealer fees).
Dennis
The $750 incentive is from Honda Motors to it's franchised dealers while the special lease is an offer made by Honda Financial to customers. Entirely exclusive.
It's the dealer's choice to not pass on the savings.
the major reason being that what they sell now has a direct impact on their allocation for the redesigned 08's
not too mention the fact that there is a year long encentive program on accords that ranges from 100-300 dollars per accord sold through 1/02/08. that can mean huge money to dealers that make their quota.
I was offered the following price on the Honda Accord Coupe EX-L AT. What do you think? I worked them to the price of 22K but I challenged them on the dealer fee so they said that they have to charge that amount but they could take $300.00 off the price of the car.
$21,700 Base Price
$599.00 Dealer Fee
+ Tax and Title
Thanks!
Dennis
I am from Chicago, buying a new 2007 Accord EX AT (4dr). I negotiated a price of $20,600 (excluding tax, destination fees, registration fees). Is it a good price?
I assume I4. Invoice of the I4 EX sedan w/AT is $21,754 INCLUDING the $595 destination fee. There is a $750 dealer incentive on Accords so a good price would be $21,004 or less for the car INCLUDING destination fee and any dealer doc or prep fees.
Your price of $20,600 + $595 dest = $21,195 is pretty close - as long as you do not pay any dealer fees on top of that price (just actual tags, taxes, and license fees).
Dennis
It's the dealer's choice to not pass on the savings.
I understand the two sources - but AHFC MUST be charging the dealers some fee to "participate" in the discounted lease program at this time. These dealers in the past would always give me a good price and NEVER cared if you paid cash, financed, or leased the car. NOW they say you can't combine a "$750 aware" price with the cheap lease. So while the source of the dealer money and the discount lease is not the same - there must be a financial contribution from the dealer for each customer that does the cheap lease. Otherwise these dealers would offer the same price for any transaction - as they always have in the past.
Dennis
would you lease at that price?
(just need a car for a few year and don't want to worry about having to sell at the end)
Normally, most dealers will not deal into holdback at all unless they are really desperate to move a car (like a left over 2006 or something) so about invoice less incentives is normally a good deal.
You can check the rates and get pre-approved at CaptialOne online then challenge the dealer to match of beat the rate. If they can, so you save, if they can't you use your pre-approved money. Also check your bank and credit union to see how their rate stacks up. Honda has low APR (below market in some cases) on its trucks (except the new CR-V) but nothing on the Accord - so says the Edmunds incentives page.
Dennis
This dealer is notorious ($599 protection package add-ons, etc); I've gotten fed up with them before and have walked out on "deals." I thought I'd never be able to buy a Honda locally because of how ridiculous they always act, but yesterday they had tags inside the new Accords showing under invoice pricing, so no argument there.
They were at $18595... Invoice with destination is $18740, TMV for my area is $19256 (or $18506 if you get the whole $750 rebate) and MSRP on the car is $20720.
Instead of directly asking them for rest the $750 rebate I just asked them to reduce their outrageous $389 doc fee to $199, include the tag fee and of course I'm not paying for that protection package. I haven't decided yet if I want to try and hammer them all the way to invoice, eliminate the doc fees, etc and still take the $750 rebate and save about $600; or, just ask that they come off the doc fee by $190 and include the tags.
They gave me the car for two days as I wanted to sleep on it and so my wife will have plenty of time to check it out, then we'll finalize everything Saturday.
Most dealers can't or won't discount or remove the doc fee (it is pre-printed on the forms so they "can't" change it) - so they will just discount the car by that or some amount.
Remember, Honda does not have a "rebate" - this is factory to dealer incentive money. But no harm in letting them know you know about it.
I would say if you have had trouble dealing with this dealer in the past, then make them an offer close to $18,000 including destination and doc fee and if they don't take it, go somewhere else. Some of my local dealers just will not deal low and will lose business (over and over) to other dealers that will. No need to waste your time and the dealers if they are just no going to go as low as others will. So make your offer and walk away if they will not get close.
If you post where you are located perhaps others in your area can point you to a lower priced dealer?
Dennis
Up to you how much you want to hammer them.
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I'm in Fayetteville NC. Local guy is 4 miles from home and work (1 mile from wife's work). There are 2 other dealers within 40 miles and I think at least three more within 80 miles.
I don't mind them making just a few hundred bucks, I mean where I work we don't give ANYTHING away, except for that one time where the general manager sold his dad at cost. Even employees are 10% over cost.
Maybe I'll just tell them to include whatever doc fee they want to charge in the $18,595 and be done with it. Meet me in the middle. I could drive 40 miles for a couple hundred but then I'd have to take it to the local guy for service... You know?
I also would not do a lot of driving to save just a little money, get it pretty close and I can live with it. You can't always squeeze the last nickel out of every deal and waste your time and worry trying to do it.
For example, each $100 in your $18,595 deal is 0.54% of the price so if you were $400 apart that is 2.15% of the price of the car. If your favorite steak house raised the price of the sirloin special from $14.95 to $15.27 would you order a grilled cheese instead? Probably not
Get the best deal you can and as long as it is close to a super price get your new ride and be happy.
Dennis
They show the EX-L sedan AT for $24,227.57 . Invoice appears to be $25,414 so even with $750 off invoice you are looking at $24,664 so the price APPEARS to be $436 under invoice less the $750 incentive. I don't know if they add any fees onto that price or not.
I have no connection with Holmes and never ended up getting a car from them, but in the past they were known as a high volume, low price Honda dealer.
The web page is at this link and I would assume anyone in their Internet sales department could help you. If you live within an easy drive they may be worth a shout.
The e-mail says they have similar savings on all in stock Accords.
Dennis
$22,346 + Tax (659) + Tags (69)
Congratulations!
Just want to get a confirmation that $18900 you mentioned was before tax and plate transfer. Thanks!
What do you think?
18500 is an amazing price, as long as the doc fee isnt like $700.
You should be able to get the same price, just visit their web page and shoot an e-mail to their "Internet department".
Dennis