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I say the right word to use here it's a SCAM. They probably will tell you that "up to $1000 over KBB when you go over. If you try to ask people here whether the dealer will give you a new '09 and take your '06 for the same price, I don't know what to say.
Thanks.
Not very good deal?
What is a good price for Texas?
I was in the market for an 09 Camry LE 4cyl. Best price I could get was $20,700 before rebate for a brand new 09 Camry LE 4cyl with Carpet Kit and Luster Shield. This was with Jeff Scholnick at Toyota of Richardson. 2 other dealers were similiar but Jeff offered me slightly more for my trade, plus I purchased my last FJ Cruiser from the same dealership. I added Liquicell Leather Seats for $1100, bringing the total cost to $21,800 + $232 (Title/License/Doc Fees). I was not able to find lower than this price at any of the North Dallas dealerships. People talk on this forum about getting a Camry LE 09 for $18,000 after rebate, $18500 before rebate, but that seems to be in only a few regions like California where the economy is having a harder time than North Texas. My guess is they are getting some additional dealer incentives from Toyota that the Texas dealers are not getting from Gulf Toyota.
If you are looking to get a Camry and live up here in Dallas, I recommend you call Jeff Skolnick at Toyota of Richardson and give him a chance. Their dealership gave me a better deal on my trade last year and they did the same this year as well, that coupled with the lowest price results in the best deal.
I wanted the 0% apr for 36 months, its way better to do that then to take the $500 rebate, thats why I got $20,700 for the LE. It would have been $20,200 after rebate but your finance fees would total thousands of dollars.
What do you think? Should I go for it?
Thanks.
You just posted also $20,100, what is it $20,100 or $21,100?? Either is very good, $20,100 is amazing if it includes TTL/Delivery..... Post the details to help others!
Please help!
Is this a good deal?
2009 Toyota Camry SE 4 AT Sedan w/Power tilt/slide moonroof with sliding sunshade
$23,434 OTD (TTL/Delivery Included). S. California (Carson Toyota)
Thanks!
No the $20,700 (cloth) and $21,800 (dealer installed leather) is before tax and rebate. Rebate is $500 but you save alot more doing 0% 36 month financing.
Someone else is posting that they got an even better deal but they haven't revealed the dealership or further details. Wish everyone would come clean, it would help us all achieve the best possible price was negotiating. CA customers seem to be getting $1500 below invoice, TX getting around Invoice. Either CA are getting a dealer incentive and TX is not or TX dealers are working together as a team and not negotiating below invoice in order to keep their profits higher. We all need to team up the same.
Dealer Inventory Tax $49.09
License and R&B Fee $70.80
Government Certificate of Title Fee $33
Government Vehicle Inspection Fee $23.75
Deputy Service Fee Paid to Dealer - $5.00
Documentary Fee - $50
09 Camry 4 Cyl Hybrid Averages 33mpg (combined)
If the Hybrid costs you $5,000 more than a comparable nonHybrid at $3.40/gallon it will take 271,739 miles to break even. Problem is you also financed that $5,000 at 6% apr (vs 0% apr on the nonhybrid) so you actually paid $472 in interest, making you drive ANOTHER 25,652 to offset that cost. That doesn't even take into account the $25,000 you also finance at 6% ($2,360 interest in 3 years)
Right now you can buy a nonhybrid for Invoice or less, at 0% apr, while the Camry Hybrid usually sells for MSRP and doesn't offer 0% apr. At 30,000 dollars a 3 yr 6% loan will cost you $2,832 in interest alone, so you actually are paying $7,832 more than a comparable Camry nonhybrid. Also to get over 300,000 miles out of the Camry you will have to replace the battery pack system at least once, that will cost you another $7,000-$8,000. Do the math, Hybrid DOES NOT save you money by any stretch of the imagination.
Good post; thanks for all the detail info and I agree with you.
First, does anyone really average 28mpg overall in a 4cy? And does anyone ONLY average 33 in a TCH? I've got 57,000 miles with a lifetime FE of 37.6mpg in my TCH.
The TCH does not cost $5,000 more than a comparably equipped Camry. Granted with end of the year deals, you can beat the price significantly with am ICE Camry.
Where are you that you can buy gas for $3.40???
Pay cash and you have no finance costs
What's the %'age of owners who really plan to keep their car for 300,000 miles.
Can't get it now but my tax credits when I bought were $2600 FED and $3750 STATE. My TCH cost a lot less than an ICE only Camry
My total cost of ownership so far (including insurance, maintenance, gasoline depreciation, estimating salvage value at KBB) is 21.4 cents. Beat that.
Bottom line though is I'm buying less foreign oil than most people. I'd be willing to pay for that.
Yes the TCH costs $5,000 more. When you can get a 4 CYL 09 for Invoice and a TCH for around MSRP, there is a $5,000 difference when comparably equipped. Even if its a $4,000 difference it still would require you to drive 300,000 miles to catch up
Texas, North Dallas specifically, Gas is $3.41 right now. But if its its $4/gal it still requires 275,000 miles to make up the difference.
WRONG about the pay cash and you have no finance costs. If you pay $30,000 in CASH for a Camry, and you pulled that out of your savings account that was earning 3% interest or your mutual fund that averaged 5% you just missed out on $2,821 in Interest at 3% and $4,844 of Interest at 5%. Thats in only 3 years time!! So lets see you paid $4-$5k more for the car, and then pay $3-5k more for the interest, wow you have just paid $7,000 to $10,000 MORE to drive a Hybrid Camry, gee that was a smart move! -----not!
No kidding, no one is going to keep their car for 300,000 miles. I was simply pointing out that to make up for the total cost after 3 years you would of had to drive 100,000 miles a year to break even with your Hybrid decision. It would have been smarter for you to get the regular camry at 0% apr and pay a little more in gas even for 6+ years. Since most people drive 15,000 miles a year, it would take 20 years to hit the 300,000 mark, I don't think any of us is going to do that.
No tax credits on Toyotas from feds and most states. Also if you did get a tax credit that just lowers your tax bracket, so if your overall tax bracket breaks down to say 10%, you only save 10% of that credit, its not taken off your total taxes paid, it takes down your Adjusted Gross Income, which at 10% tax would result in you only seeing 10% of that credit. Most state income taxes will average 5%, so you would see even less of $3750 state credit, in fact all your would save on your state income tax return would be $187!!!!
Batteries are only given a 150,000 mile/7 year warranty, so expect to replace them after such mileage occurs. Most of us would probably trade in the car before we drove 150,000 miles (10 years worth of driving).
Camry LE vs Camry Hybrid
Purchase Price $20,700.00 $27,069.00
Trade In $0.00 $0.00
Cost $20,700.00 $27,069.00
Plus Tax $21,993.75 $28,760.81
Plus Fees = SubTotal $22,225.75 $28,992.81
Gas Cost 100k at $4/gal $14,285.71 $12,121.21
New Tires 50k miles $312.00 $312.00
New Tires 100k miles $312.00 $312.00
19 Oil Changes $247.00 $247.00
5 Year Cost $37,382.46 $41,985.02
Lost Savings APR at 3% - $0 vs $2,689.00
Lost Savings APR at 5% - $0 vs $4,570.00
Trade Back In (30%) $6,210.00 $8,120.70
In the End $31,172.46 vs $36,553.32
Above values taking into consideration 0% 36 month apr on Camry vs Paying Cash for the Camry Hybrid out of savings that earns 3% interest (Ingdirect.com)
The Camry Hybrid even with the higher trade in value results in a cost of $5,381 more over a 5 year period at 20,000 miles a year.
Based on 5 yr 60,000 miles (15k a year) its even worse, $6,246 more to drive the Hybrid for 5 years vs the regular Camry LE.
Camry LE vs Camry Hybrid
Purchase Price $20,700.00 $27,069.00
Trade In $0.00 $0.00
Cost $20,700.00 $27,069.00
Plus Tax $21,993.75 $28,760.81
Plus Fees = SubTotal $22,225.75 $28,992.81
Gas Cost 60k at $4/gal $8,571.43 $7,272.73
New Tires 50k miles $312.00 $312.00
$0.00 $0.00
19 Oil Changes $247.00 $247.00
5 Year Cost $31,356.18 $36,824.54
Lost Savings APR at 3% - $0 vs $2,689.00
Lost Savings APR at 5% - $0 vs $4,570.00
Trade Back In (30%) $6,210.00 $8,120.70
In the End $25,146.18 vs $31,392.84
I am from DFW and in the market for Camry 4-cyl SE and reading prices being mentioned here, Texans are paying more than other states. I am considering buying outside of TX and either having car shipped or driving it myself, but I am waiting until end of October, which by experience and in my opinion is the best time to buy.
- use the official EPA MPG number: TCH: 34 MPG, TC: 25 MPG
- when compare the purchase price, use a regular camry similarly equiped (XLE?)
- TCH is quite more powerful than 4Cyl camry, remember to get more power, you need to spend more (2K for a V6)
If you cannot offer or don't want to buy TCH, fine. Crunch the number in an objective way or it is bunch of junk info
If I was concerned about money, I would have probably bought a Corolla.
If Lexus or infinity (or Mercedes or anyone else for that matter) made a hybrid with the 4cy setup the Camry would not be in my garage.
Would I recommend it? Yes as many people can be qute satisfied with this car. However its not a car for those that are passionate about their vehicles. However with the Energy Screen watching the result of regenerative brakes, manupilating the hybrid system for max effeciency and just working at achieving maximum FE for particular situations I find myself kept satisfied.
Were this simply an economy car without the hybrid system, I'm sure I would find this unacceptably boring.
Wow, you're lucky they even have gas in Dallas. Most of the southeast is running out. Our gas has dropped 50 cents in the last month but I can't help believing it will hit $5.00 in the coming years.
I consistently average 37 to 40 mph. Sometimes I drive slow like an old man, but I am happier filling up once every 2 weeks, than twice each week. For years I have been driving Volvo's. I changed from years of driving Volvo's to my TCH.
I have been pleasantly pleased with the luxury feeling of the car. And for the price comparison, you can't beat it.
i just bought a certified silver 2009 Camry LE V4 with 1400 miles on it.
it comes with a power sunroof package and mats. internet price was 20,990
final price agreed was 20,500
i added the following options after market for $ 2,300
- Toyota navigation system
- Blue tooth
- Remote Starter
total price comes to 22,800
including tax etc., out of the door price is around 24,700
i just closed the deal over weekend with out doing much research on the internet due to time constraint and urgency to buy.
Now i am thinking whether the price i paid is Worth it or not ???
first owner is the dealer itself. they used the vehicle for their office purpose for few months.
by the way, as a certified vehicle, it includes 7 yr/100000 warrenty for free and
7 yr/100000 road side assistance from toyota for free
I recently purchased a 2009 Camry LE for $18,100 (after $500 rebate and before TTL) in San Diego, CA. The only option included was the standard carpet set. Is this a good deal?
Thanks.
carbuyingtips.com has an article to evaluate dealer used cars that are sold as "new". Their argument is like this: once you sign the contract for a brand new car, the depreciation of about $3K kicks in. To add that $.15 per mile. So in your case, that should be 3000+0.15*1400 = $3210 off Invoice ($20,974) = $17,764. This is assuming that a brand new car might go at invoice. To that add your $2300 (BTW the invoice is only about $1,800 from Edmunds) of extra options, and you have the net cost at $20,064. This is of course before any mfr rebate is applied, LE has $500 mfr rebate these days. Using invoice price for everything, your net cost should have been around $19,000. Of course, opinions differ but that is my take on it
i am sure, i got ripped off for not being prepared on this.
I have been using a Garmin which keeps falling from wind shield every 20,30 min. asme problem reported by friends with all most all GPS units. So i preferred an inbuilt
authentic GPS by toyota itself. i did not mind paying that 1500 extra as i have plans to keep this car for a long term.
remote starter is a very useful feature especially in east coast that too in winter.
i could have gone for a new Camry SE with built in navigation but thats costing more than this.
yeah the 7 yr/100K power train warranty plus road side assistance is in writing. please see
Toyota Certified
$500 rebate does not apply to certified cars. i checked with toyota.
i still consider this as new vehicle as its owned by the toyota dealer (not a private party) and hardly has any mileage (1400 is nothing). no dealer would reduce $3210
on a 2009 certified car (i agree if its a 2006 or 2007 camry). i can not agree with that calculation.
end of the day, i feel i should have got it for at least another 1500 less.
See what edmund says:
people living in 07601 are paying for 2009 camry LE $22,299 with remote start, mats, sunroof. plus i added navigation for 1500 so the price as per edmunds is
22,299(including rebate) + 1500 = 23,800. i paid 22,800. thats how i did my math.
even if i get it at invoice price (dealer never agreed for it though), edmund's invoice is
$21,354 + 1500 (for navigation) = 22,800
so i feel i got the car for invoice price + free warrenty & road side assistance for 7 yrs. is it too bad.
i am still confused.
I think those places look at the depreciation from MSRP and not invoice or ongoing price. However, if they really think we can buy a base 2009 Camry LE w/ 1400 miles for $18500 (most people can get for this price) - 3200 = $15300, I will buy 2.
I don't even think you can get a '07 w/ 1400 miles for 15K You might be able to get the 1 w/ 20-40K miles. :P
As far as the "as new" condition, that is true, but the dealer depreciates this car for using it as a demo and thus should pass that along to you. I've only bought one demo (Sequoia driven by the dealers wife) but did negotiate it down substantially from the cost of an identical new one sitting on their lot. I've test driven a car, and typically would'nt want one I test drove ;o) That's another funny story.
Bottom line is as long as you're happy, don't look back. I've found on this board unless you got it for $1000 under invoice and the dealer threw in a dog, someone will think you got ripped. Deal's vary greatly by area and season so it's impossible to compare apples and apples most of the time.
I am in Dayton, OH. Checked with about seven dealers in Dayton and Cincinnati area. Did not get any good deals. Guess I will probably wait till the end of the year. A sales person told me there would be new Toyota incentives coming tomorrow although he did not tell me what they would be.
Later caaz
p.s. helped my neighbor this weekend go buy a new 09 Camry LE nothing on it, only keyless entry.. $17,695 plus T&L
woops, forgot to mention we are in Orange County, So calif
Camry 09 LE AT 4cyl Lease
Toyogard + floor Mats
36mon x 12 Kmi
$310 down + 1st payment
35 mon x $290 incl 7% taxes ( $271 before taxes)
Added $256 to cover scheduled maintenance for the 36 month.
How did I do?
While I said I'm not worried about money, I wouldn't buy a $55,000 car because of its FE ratings if it's only going to get me 25 mpg.
As for costs, I wouldn't want to do anything stupid either. If the FE is equal, I would still rather have a hybrid buring $3.75 gas rather than a diesel using $4.60 fuel considering diesel is still not available at all gas stations (and the pumps handles are greasy).
"Incentives are at an all time high this month.
Up to $1000 in rebates on Corollas
$1000 rebate on Camrys (excl Hybrids)
Up to $2000 rebate on Siennas
$1000 rebate on Rav4(2008's)
$1500 rebate on Highlanders (excl Hybrids)
$2500 rebate on 4Runners
$4000 rebate on Sequoias
Up to $2000 rebate on Tacomas
Up to $5000 rebate on Tundras
*A special finance rate may be available in lieu of the rebate too."