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According to the Sunday newspaper here, the Courtesy Toyota will sell the standard one for $15498. The invoice is $16509 not including $515 destination change in edmunds.com. This is $1000 below invoice including the $750 rebate. I am hoping I can get better than $500 over invoice. If necessary, I do not mind to go outside the tampa bay area for a better price (or get a Honda).
Has anyone who has been to a dealership lately seen any of these in stock?
For those in the know, will dealers generally consider taking OFF a spoiler if requested??? I love the SE styling but think it would look better w/o the spoiler...i guess it's a matter of the eye of the beholder. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
I'm also int eh San Diego area and am lookign for a Camry LE V6. Was looking at the 2004, but it seems like it's a better deal to go witht eh 2005. Which dealer did you go to in the San Diego area.?
I looking to buy the Camry LE. Not sure if I'm going with the 2004 or 2005 since there are so far mixed opinionts on the deals. What the price differences on these, and what's the best deals on these in the LA to San diego , california area.
It's my first time to buy a car. I was initially looking for a 04 CAMRY auto LE+ABS. They all assured me that they have a bunch of them but when I visited the dealer, they only have 1-2 left (w/sunroof+$800 or with 1300 miles). So I have to switch to 05 Camry. Can anyone tell me
(1)what's the big difference bet LE and STD? (I checked their features but really cannot see much difference) I would greatly appreciate expert advice on the choice.
(2)Can you recommend a reliable dealer at NYC tristate area? (I am in Mahattan) it's very frustrating and painful for me to go through the car-buying process.
Thank you. have a nice day.
Items missing on the Standard from the Base LE (others can include additional items if any):
1. Full Size Spare
2. Body color side mirrors
3. Power front seats
4. Remote keyless entry with trunk release.
Personally, I don't really mind having a donut as a spare. I have AAA, and they will tow 100 miles in either direction. Body color side mirrors would be nice, however, the black goes REALLY well with the Phantom Grey we picked out. The remote keyless entry will cost me $286 to be installed with trunk release, but we may opt to pay a little extra for an alarm system.
The only thing we cant make up for on the base LE are the powered seats, which would be nice, but there are manual controls that do everything the power seats do. We plan on having heated leather seats put in anyways, and there would have been a slight extra charge for refinishing powered seats.
The biggest difference that I personally see between the Standard and the LE, is that the LE offers much more options, whereas, the only real option for the Standard is Side Curtain Air Bags, which is definately a great option as to the crash tests links posted by another member.
Bottom line, if you're looking for an 05 Camry on the cheap, the Standard cant be beat (but that will probably change once all 04's are blown out).
Just my opinion. Good luck on the car search!
We are usually willing to remove unwanted equkipment, but not if it something that would leave a hole, like a spoiler. I just thought of the fact that you might could swap trunklids with another Camry without the spoiler. Of course, you could then have color-matching issues.
Here in the Southeast, the spoiler is optional on the SE, so you have your choice of buying one with or without.
By the way, Toyota has updated its 360 exterior view of the SE...looks nice, i may have to reconsider my general dislike of spoilers on a "family" car.
What IS important, and required by law, is that they provide you the note with the contract interest rate, the beginning date & amount of monthly payments, the APR etc, and that they obtain your signature on the agreement. I would follow up by phone within a day or two and confirm they have approved you for financing. Ask them to fax you the terms. I suggest you make sure you agree to the financing terms before you go to pick up the car when they'll have you at a disadvantage.
When you purchase a car AND financing you have two negotiating battles -- first the price, and then the terms. You're half way there -- probably hardest half... Congratulations!
Spoilers are definitely a matter of taste I probably have about an equal number of customers who:
a) Have to have one, or:
b) Won't take one if you give it to them, or:
c) Don't care.
~alpha
I ended up asking for my deposit back (they are crediting it back to my card). I called the business manager this morning to ask about what was going on. He said that my credit looked fine, and that it was under 700. I said no way. I printed out all three of my credit scores last week and they were well over 700 (one was 742). He said the best rate he could offer me was 5.9%, which is way too high. We had an argument, he was EXTREMELY nasty, and then i turned around and said, fine, well, i will get my own financing. He said I would not be able to find a better rate. I said I already did, on Capital One auto loans. He started freaking out, claiming that they do NOT accept them, that they are not checks, etc. etc. I know for a fact there are plenty of dealers who accept them (they work like bank drafts), including one Lexus dealership. So, I was like, well then Im not buying this car. He yelled at me, saying that I "will not intimidate him" and that I will NOT "speak down to him." I was floored to be spoken to in that manner. He said he'd give me back my deposit, that they don't 'do business that way.' So I said fine. Then I called the general manager of the dealership, who was much calmer. HE claims that i DO qualify for the 1.9% and that they would give me that rate. So i said, what's the discrepancy?? then he said, "well there's always two sides to the conversation." I said, What, am i LYING about what the other manager told me!? he said 5.9%!" it was awful. just awful. i dont really trust them. (has anyone heard of the 'spot delivery' scam, where they sign a contract with all the fees on it, but yet the contract states "subject to approval" so they contact you later and say "sorry, loan fell through for that rate! you have a higher rate now" and you already have the car!). Plus they required a binding arbitration agreement. I probably wouldnt be able to find another dealership who DOESNT but that was a turn off, PLUS the sales guy who made me sign the papers purposely held down the backside of the contract and flipped it over just a teensy bit and made me sign the back without even looking at it. he claims i was signing it so that "the ink could go through to the other pages." i cant believe i fell for it. it was a long process and i was ready to get out at that point. UNREAL.
THIS IS PRESTIGE TOYOTA, RAMSEY NJ, SO PLEASE PLEASE AVOID THEM AT ALL COSTS.
You are kidding!!!! UNREAL!!!! These people NEVER cease to amaze me. I absolutely could not believe the way the business manager spoke to me the morning after my deal was signed. He literally screamed at me over the phone and said, "You will NOT talk down to me! You are trying to intimidate me!!" I was like, excuse me, how am I intimidating you!?!" I was simply trying to find out WHAT happened to my 1.9% APR and WHY they were claiming my credit score was MUCH lower than what I know it is. Unbelivable.
Anyway, I contacted some other dealerships. They are more than happy to take my loan check from Capital One Auto Financing (which Prestige adamantly refused during our conversation (after they wanted a higher APR) claiming it "wasn't a real check." Yeah right.) I also feel more comfortable talking to them. They asked me what dealership I had problems with and when I told them Prestige, they were like, yep... we've heard about them. Anyway, I am totally happy to take my business elsewhere.
PS- read, read, read what you are signing. when i was signing the buyer's order, there was a ton of fine print on the back. the salesguy very cleverly folded the bottom of the page slightly so i could see the signature line on the back, but not the wording. he told me to "sign so it goes through all 3 copies." what a SLEEZE... I am becoming so disgruntled with this whole process, I am starting to not even want a new car!!!!
I will say this about Prestige: they were very fast in giving me back my deposit (which was large). They didnt try to keep it. However, their business practices in other areas were questionable. The things that bothered me the most were being screamed at by the business manager, not even receiving a call from anyone at the dealership saying they were sorry that the deal fell through, being stuck with a salesperson the entire way through the process that I didn't like (just seemed like everything he said was either inaccurate or a lie), and of course what happened with the financing. We're talking about a $25,000 car here, I expected to be treated a bit better. They tend to get very cocky because they are usually very crowded and have people lined up to buy cars. Oh well. Let me know if you find a decent dealer, and I'll post if I find one and a pleasant experience!
Has anyone used East Coast Toyota in Wood-Ridge? Good experiences? I heard to stay away from Toyota of Morristown (from badbusinessbureau.com)...
Thanks
http://www.andrettitoyota.com/index.php?PO=Details&Vin=4T1BF3- 0K34U579702
1. Binding Arbitration Agreement is specific to a dealer, to try to get out of lawsuits. Makes you wonder about quality, but you should be able to find dealers who don't require... but I believe it will become the norm.
2. Sweet revenge came in a few weeks after my purchase when Toyota and J.D. Powers sent me a survey. I nuked everyone related to Toyota and the horse they came in on... I was probably responsible for a two point drop just based on my survey :-) ... But Toyota Corp has sent me two invitations in the mail to discuss my survey with their customer support reps ... I'm not quite sure how this will help me... but I do see that the Salesman is no longer in the Internet dept.
3. I like my 2004 Camry SE 4cyl. It has a few small cosmetic and noise problems that are intermittent. But the A/C works fine in Dallas TX. However, my MPG are still only 27 .... nowhere near the promised 33 MPG, but I'm only at 2500 miles
Bottom line, I agree with you that the process can still be very, very bad ... but the car is OK.
(BTW, I graduated from Clemson ... in the previous millennium.)
- hank2
See, this is where I have to say, if you want us as dealers to be honest...then you must be the same...
The car you are referring to has a msrp of $20,674 has only CA and CF packages, yes the least expensive Camry LE to buy but the invoice is $18,829....
are you really wanting us to believe that you purchased the car for $2,200 under invoice?
Yes, there may some different incentives in Cali right now but over 2 grand from Toyota for a 2005?...come on...
Let me know...my GM would like to buy a bunch and have them shipped..
What are the lowest price I can get the 2004 or 2005 LE V6 for?
Thanks to people in this forum providing lots of useful information.
p.s. I am waiting for Honda to get back to me for my last offer. I prefer Camry if I can get the $19600.
I just sold my 2002 Camry XLE 4 cyl and bought a new 2005 camry XLE V6 cyl. What a difference in the power and a more quiet engine. I can hardly hear it running. What a difference with the 5 speed transmission vs 4 speed that was on the 2002.
My question is : I would like to buy the 17" 5 spoke alloy wheels for it. Has anyone out there done this? If so, has it affected the smooth XLE ride. Also , When I bought the 2005 XLE V6 I got every option except the navigation package. Can this be added to the car ?
I may opt for the side airbags (not sure yet) but those HAVE to be installed at the factory, I assume.
I don't appreciate your reply to my posting
accusing me of not being totally honest.
My post on my experience in prices paid is for
the benefit of all readers here because everyone
wants to buy the same car at the best deal.
Right?
In my post, I said I purchased a 2005 Camry LE
with mrsp of $20674 for a total of $16588 plus
tax and license. I purchased at Elmore toyota
in Westminister CA. It was brand new with
5 miles on the odometer and was featured in their
ad in the Orange County Register on 8-14-04.
Just for your info, the same dealership ran
an ad for a 2004 camry with msrp of $20574
(that's a LE, not standard with floor mat sets)
for $14999 in this weekends Orange County
Register 8-28-04.
If you want to verify what I've posted call the
dealership. If you want to verify their advertisement, just check the newspaper. Many
public libraries in Southern california will have
all the back issues of the Orange County Register.
If you are in the car business you will know that
dealers will take a loss on their ad car to draw in customers. There is usually 1 car available at the price, but the dealers know that it will
bring in more traffic to generate sales to make
their profit. Right?
Just my advice to all readers here. Don't be
so narrow minded that you reject some post just
because the deals seem to be too good to be
true. Look at the info and verify for
yourself.
Thanks
Given that '04s are being discounted heavily at this point, a price of $17,400 for a Standard (not LE)doesn't sound that great -- at least by CA prices. I was quoted a price of $16,888 + tax & license on an '04 LE before the '05s came out (Hayward CA dealier). You need to hear from some of the Maryland folks to know for sure. Have you submitted quote requests from dealers in your area?
1. VD (Vehicle stability control) is a factory install option? Dealership cannot install it.
2. N1 (Auto dim Mirror, INV $185) will cost $360 because it need labor to install it ???
3. V3 (VIP Security Plus, INV $239) does not work on SE V6 due to existing keyless entry. I need a aftermarket alarm installed by the dealer for $495 ???
4. No one put on Mud Guards any more ???
5. For 2005 SE V6 with HI/RF/CF/N1/alarm options, does $23435 (plus tax and tag) sounds good to you guys?
BTW, I love the Standard. The only difference from the 2004 Standard to the 2004 LE is the keyless entry and the full-sized spare tire -- two things I can gladly do without for the $1800 difference in price! (and I already got the keyless entry installed as part of my alarm system last month).
Oh yeah -- it doesn't have the chrome "LE" tag on the trunk. It just says "Camry." And you know what? It really looks better that way.
Is it a good deal? Could it be a little cheaper?
Lease offer applies only to new 4-cylinder 2005 Camry LE models #2532 with automatic transmission, CA PZEV emissions and floor mats. Lease available only through Toyota Financial Services to qualified buyers with premium-rated credit and Experian Auto FICO Score Two of 700 or above. Lease based on Gross Cap cost of $19,277. You pay maintenance and excess wear and tear. You also pay $.15 per mile over 12,000 miles per year. Payments may vary from dealer to dealer based on final negotiated price. Must take delivery by 9/7/04.
Begins: 09/01/2004
Ends: 09/07/2004
Oddly, it fails to mention how long the lease is and how much money you need up front.