2013 and Earlier - Toyota Camry Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • omc92omc92 Member Posts: 5
    My offer of OTD 19200 on 05 Camry LE auto w/ side&curtain airbag, was accepted over the phone. Have been worked on it with several dealership and this is the best I can do. Other offers are way high. Hope everything works out tomorrow when I go seal the deal and pick the car. BTW, I am in Michigan. I've done a lot of research on this site and that's how I came up with the price. Thanks a lot, everyone.
  • peter panpeter pan Member Posts: 75
    $18.8K OTD for '05 LE and all airbags sounds like a very good deal, especially if it has auto transmission!

    The 400 miles should be insignificant for Toyota products. The car was probably a loaner car. Make the dealer put it down in writing where the car came from.

    Make sure that you get the new cars' factory warranties for 36 months/36K miles bumper to bumper and the 5 years/50K miles power train in writing. You may need it even for minor problems which could save you lots of money.
  • peter panpeter pan Member Posts: 75
    Looks like a very good deal.

    Please provide detailed break down of this price, especially what options at what prices.
  • rutger3rutger3 Member Posts: 361
    Consider yourself lucky to be able to get an LE with side airbags and for a good price. Here in New Jersey, Toyota assumes that we dont want to be protected from a side collision, as it is almost impossible to find one like yours. What the heck are you thinking about Toyota? Safety equipment should never be a regional issue, makes no sense. Good luck with your new car.
  • peter panpeter pan Member Posts: 75
    My wife was broadsided a month ago by a pick up truck in her 93 Camry. The truck was only starting from a red light but the impact was high enough to total the car. Her head hit the side window; her body suffered multiple injuries. She was wedged inside her car with the roof caved in past the centerline!

    We have been upgrading our cars to those with side and curtain airbags. My wife happened to drive her old car, and the accident happened within half mile of our home, sooner than we expected!

    She has now spent over a month in intensive care, nursing care, and presently in a major brain damage rehab center. She lost most of her memory, reasoning ability and cognitive skills. She is now functioning at the level of a 2 year-old child! She would have been spared most of her injuries if the car had side and curtain airbags! My children are very distressed and depressed, needless to say!

    The medical bill is now estimated at over $500K. Luckily we have good health insurance coverage. Doctors estimated it would take 3 months to 1 year of in and outpatient rehabs for her to regain most of her mental abilities!

    It make very good sense to buy the ~$1,200 GU option (VSC and all airbags) for your cars to avoid the extreme pains and suffering in collisions, the potential loss of your loved ones, the very large legal and financial exposures, and the lost time from family and work!

    If you have to, order your cars with those options from the dealers. The custom-ordered car would probably cost a few hundred dollars more than those off the lot, but it has the exact options you want, and peace of mind for your family for the next 5,10 years, as long as you own the car.
  • frasierdogfrasierdog Member Posts: 128
    Using Buytoyota.com for internet email address, I emailed 10 different dealers. When I requested a quoted on an ordered car, only half responded.

    For the Dallas Tx area, the best price I have is $200 over invoice, dealer keeps $500 rebate.

    Gulf States Toyota will not order the car the way I would like. LE V6, side airbags & JBL.

    I would have to take an XLE to get my options and get too much extras. So I walked. I am trying New Mexico dealers who are not in Gulf States regional distribution.

    Working with Toyota dealers is like shopping on 42st street in New York. A major shuck and jive experience.
  • omc92omc92 Member Posts: 5
    The deal failed. My experience with Toyota is very depressing. I used internet to request quotes in my area, only a few responded, among which, only one gave me price. Then I changed tactic, made phone calls for price quotes, very few wanted to give quotes over phone, one dealer told me that they don't do so b/c they don't want be shopped. Well, I appreciate his honesty in retrospect. The ones I got are basically invoice or invoice+100. When I asked if it's the best they can do, they usually say come visit us, let's work it out, we'll beat other dealers' offer, blablabla... So, I made up my mind, and made one final phone call to ask if they can accept my price OTD 19.2K. They called back, said it's ok. I called back twice to make sure it's the car I want, it's the price I want, it's OTD price and I can take advantage of the special finance rate Toyota is offering.

    When I went down there, the person I talked over the phone behaved like it's a done deal and I took it as a good sign. After we test drived the car all by ourselves, I began to feel strange: the salesperson asked if we'll finance, we said yes, and he asked us to fill out application. We filled out the form, while wondering why he didn't mention about price one single time. When he came back, I re-confirmed the price then gave him my application and my credit card. He came back with both of them, said there is a problem, they can't put up the price together, the price they can do, showed some calculation, which is basically invoice+100. I just couldn't believe it and collected my stuff and walked out after a short conversation.

    On my way home, I felt so bad, I even thought about chances of being identity stolen since he once had our application with SSN on it. Should I be worried?

    My experience told me:
    Even if you can get some quote over the phone, ask them to break down the number and fax it to you!!
  • peter panpeter pan Member Posts: 75
    I also found Toyota dealers in Southern California not interested in special-ordering cars. They all seem driven to get rid of the cars on their lots, which don't have the VSC and side airbags options that I want.

    These dealers all want to upsell to you the XLE's loaded with unwanted and expensive options....

    Customers just have to buy competitive cars with these safety options...
  • ssinwellssinwell Member Posts: 14
    Following is the proposed price for a 2005 LE model, all before tax+license:

    Invoice data from Edmunds - $18975 (base of 17,876 + GY of $559 + destination charge of $540)

    Proposed price is $ 18,876 (from Longo Toyota)

    Price does not reflect the $500 rebate, because I asked to take the 1.9% financing over 36 months instead, which is a better rate than my bank would offer at 4.50%.

    He will offer the platinum warranty (1000,000 miles or X years) for $900.

    Does the offer appear competitive?
  • sunilsunil Member Posts: 52
    My old (92) Camry just got hit (by somebody who ran a stop sign). Damages are of course more than book value. Luckily nobody was hurt. The good news ? I am in the market for a new Camry as soon as insurance settles (should be in the next 2-3 weeks ?).

    Can somebody offer pricing help in Silicon Valley for the following :

    Camry XLE 2005(V4) with Premium Package + VSC package. On Edmunds, the invoice for this is 19929 + 1304 + 1079; with destination 540 this totals 22852. Their target price is 23803, and with a 500 rebate this comes to 23303 ($449 above invoice). Anybody buy a similar car in the Bay Area recently ? What price should I expect to pay ?

    Sunil
  • tomsmithtomsmith Member Posts: 1
    I negotiated with several dealers and the best offer is:

    camry LE standard + a package with GY, V5 and CF.

    Dealer's invoice: $19,751 (the price for the package is around $720)
    Dealer's offer: $400 below invoice - $1000 rebate + tax, licensing and fee. So the price I got is

    $18351 + tax, licensing and fee

    I have 2 questions:

    1. Is it a good deal? how much more I can cut?

    2. The $1000 rebate is factory rebate for this month. Do you think the same amount will still be there on Decmember? I know the rebate for Oct is $500.

    Thanks a lot.
  • peter panpeter pan Member Posts: 75
    This deal looks really good. I am surprised that you got a better deal in Seattle than that from Longo Toyota in Los Angeles. The So Cal car market is supposed to be brutally competitive.

    $18.5K does not include tax and registration. You are probably looking at $20.5K out the door.

    Perhaps you could bargain the dealer to throw in the freebies like floor mats ($300), undercoating for the winter road salt ($200), clear coating for the paint ($200), extended 100K-mile warranty ($500)...

    The dealers love to sell you these lucrative options, after you agreed on the price, to make the real profit on the car...

    Good luck to your family with the new car.
  • peter panpeter pan Member Posts: 75
    Longo Toyota is well known for its higher prices and very rude sales people.

    You should use the internet to check a few competitive dealers that have the cars with colors and options you want. The larger ones in So Cal are Power, North County, Carson Toyota which list a lot of inventory in many locations. Their internet specials usually have very low prices.

    It looks like $18.5K is a good price for LE's with GY option after rebates. You should bargain the dealer to throw in a few items like extended 100K warranty ($500), floor mats ($200), undercoating ($200), clear coat ($200) which is just a wax job, 3M Seat fabric treatment ($100)...

    The floor mats and the 100K warranty would cost the dealer some money. The other items are pretty much free to the dealers which they upsell to make extra profit on cars. Don't let them upsell you any other options as I can't think of anything else you would need in So Cal!

    Good luck to your family with your new car.
  • ssinwellssinwell Member Posts: 14
    Peter Pan:

    Thanks for the insights. I'll probably do the deal today.

    To clarify, the Camry LE was with automatic transmission, and the $18.5K price was before the $500 rebate. This price seems to match carsdirect.com (within about $100).

    I have doubts about even getting the warranty on a car such as the Camry, which is a mature design with proven performance. On the other hand when I bought my 2001 Mercedes S430, I did get the warranty, and as it turns out, that was the right move. Back to the Camry, Longo first offered the warranty at $1,200 and I barfed on that, but it looks like I should pushing harder, since I did not put up a fuss on the $900 quote.

    At Longo I would agree with you that the salepeople behave in a somewhat bizzare manner. What I mean by that is sometime they do not even engage the customers and seem more interested in talking to themselves. In my case, I am working with the internet guy, who seems rather straight-forward. He was the one that responded to me when I asked for a quote through Edmunds.

    I bought my last two Toyota's (1996 Camry, which died in 2003) and my 1999 Avalon (which is about to die because I don't want to spend $3,000 fixing the mechanical issues) at Wondries Toyota. At Wondries, the salepeople seem a bit better, and they employed some fairly attractive females, which always eases this otherwise painful process.
  • diggerdebdiggerdeb Member Posts: 1
    05' Toyota Camry - auto - 4cyl - 4 door

    with CA - DJ - CF - options

    18,500 - less $500 rebate = 198 prep fees

    Total...$18,198

    Attleboro, Mass

    Warranty issue...finance mgr said if we got alarm put in by somebody other than the dealershp it would void the warranty. Cost for alarm...$598.00

    Thanks,
    Deb
  • peter panpeter pan Member Posts: 75
    Hi SSinwell,

    At your rate of buying and burning cars, you could give lectures on the subject...
  • ian721ian721 Member Posts: 93
    The idea that an aftermarket alarm system will void the warranty is total garbage and against federal law. I fell for it the first time I bought a new car in 1992 and paid $600 for a crappy alarm system, but it's just not true. See this:

    http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/magnusonmoss.htm

    With my latest car I skipped the $595 dealer-installed alarm and got two separate security systems installed for the same price, which together are much more effective than whatever the dealer will install.
  • ultratechultratech Member Posts: 142
    ssinwell,

    My gf purchased the basic 2005 LE Auto with floor and trunk mat @ Wondries for $17,000 including $500 rebate last week. (+Tax, [non-permissible content removed], fee)

    I don't know what GY is though...
    She also took the Ext warranty for $900 ( 7 yrs, 70K miles only :-( )
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    Is the option code for Side and Curtain Airbags. GU is the option code for the VSC/Side and Curtain Airbags.

    ~alpha
  • ssinwellssinwell Member Posts: 14
    Ultratech:

    Your deal at Wondries sounds great. At $17K (assuming that includes the $540 destination charge), your price is about $800 lower the comparable Longo price. At Longo, the LE w/Auto was $17.7K + destination of $540 less rebate of $500 = $17.8K. By the way the "GY" option, which Longo offered an additional $560, would be for the side air bag option. Was your Wondries deal some sort of newspaper special, or was it just hard-core negotiation?

    Special note to Peter Pan - Your point is noted, and in the interest of full disclosure, I also purchased a 2004 Sienna XLE at the Toyota dealer in downtown LA. I bought the Sienna the same day the 1996 Camry died with 180,000 miles. I miss the Camry, and the Sienna has been a super vehicle . The Avalon, which is currently on life support, has about 150,000 miles. Frankly, the Avalon has been a disappointment from a "quality of build" perspective - great engine and tranny, but the front end was always shaky, and the windshield noise and various other rattles makes me give the car a "B" rating, whereas the Camry & Sienna each get an "A". By the way, I give the Mercedes S430 a "A" for looks, "A" for handling, but "D" for reliability.

    Steve
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    Steve, great perspective thanks for posting your opinions of your recent vehicles! Much safe and happy driving, and congrats on your new Sienna.

    I hope you dont mind, but your post above begs the question- given your seemingly obvious affinity towards Toyota, why did you choose the MB? The Lexus LS is a tremendous vehicle, espeically in the current iteration (which is very dapper, especially with the Sport package upgrade).

    ~alpha
  • sunilsunil Member Posts: 52
    I am looking for an XLE (V4) with leather, but without the sunroof (so with the premium package, but not the premium plus). Here in the Silicon Valley area, I called two dealers - they both said they would have to special order this, since all the cars they have with leather also have sunroofs.

    Has anybody else bought an XLE with leather without a sunroof ? Any suggestions for dealers to try around the valley for this combo ?

    Also, my fear of sunroofs is increased noise level - I want the quietest car possible. Does having a sunroof add to the noise level of a Camry, or am I just being paranoid ? Special ordering takes 3 months, and I am in the market now because my old Camry got hit in an accident...

    Sunil
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    Try and find an LE without a sunroof. Test drive it, and then test drive the XLE with the sunroof. I personally think you'll find no difference. If you want the quietest vehicle possible, and thats your goal, you might want to look at the LE V6, which has a similar price point (slightly lower actually) than the XLE I4 with leather. But....you'll be giving up a good deal of features.

    Mind you, the Camry 2.4L is quite possibly the smoothest, quietest 4 out there. But its not the 3.0L V6.

    ~alpha
  • ssinwellssinwell Member Posts: 14
    Alpha01, I find your posts very good and informative. Regarding your question, going with the MB was all about going with my emotion, whereas going with the LS would be thinking with my head.

    This may be described through a metaphor involving dating of women. Specifically, you know deep down inside the girl next door is the right choice, as she looks fairly good, is reliable, and has common sense. However, you sometimes get seduced by the "hottie" wearing the skimpy clothes. You know deep inside that relationship won't last, she probably won't be reliable, and it will be expensive to maintain. But yet, we sometimes chase the hottie anyway.

    Go figure...with hindsight being 20/20, I should have gone with the girl next door (i.e., the LS). But in fairness to the hottie (i.e., the MB), and although we have our ups and downs, and it has been expensive, it has been a fun ride.
  • cg11cg11 Member Posts: 4
    Got a price from dealer in New Orleans, LA for a 2005 Camry LE Auto, Leather, Sunroof, Wood Grain Trim, and Window Tint. Sticker was $26,564 her selling price is $20,772. Is this a good deal? Do I need to inquire about incentives, rebates, or anything else you?
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    There's a lot of extra BS on that car. For example, the leather is after-market, as no LEs are built with Toyota factory leather. T woodgrain trim is likely an applique that cost practically nothing in materials or labor, but you will be paying a premium price for it. Do you really need tinted windows?

    If you dont want all that extra aftermarket garbage, you can get an LE with moonroof for about $19,000 before tax, title, license if you try.

    ~alpha
  • tthhtthh Member Posts: 2
    The first deal failed. The dealer was lakeside toyota in New Orleans. He said he lied to make me come and have to increase the price from 18800.

    I visit Ray Brandt Toyota today. This deal is done. Here are the detail

    05 Camry LE auto with GY (side curtain airbag), A0 (security upgrade etc) and P4 (vehicle shield)

    Invoice: $19679
    Before tax: $18480
    Out of door: $20300

    Maybe I can get another $500 off if I push hard. Hope this help. Appreciate the information from this forum.
  • 3c33c3 Member Posts: 76
    How much is the actual rebate amount? I have seen $500 everywhere (other than the additional $400 for new grad only), but the prices many people have reported here look like $1,000 rebate. Are all these people new grads?
  • tthhtthh Member Posts: 2
    In southeast, you can get $1000 rebate. I don't know other areas. Anyway, rebate is flexible. We are qualified for $400 new graduate. Some dealers won't give you unless you do financing. But Ray Brandt gave us.
  • cg11cg11 Member Posts: 4
    ALPHA: How cheap are the aftermarket seats? If the price is right would you consider! What would be a price that you couldn't pass up?
  • cg11cg11 Member Posts: 4
    What would be a price tht would make you take delivery on the vehicle?
  • mcgirl0730mcgirl0730 Member Posts: 78
    Have you tried calling up these dealerships?

    Stevens Creek, Capitol, Sunnyvale, Fremont, Daly City
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    The college grad rebate is a standard across the nation, though, at $400. During the summer, Toyota upped that to $1000 nationwide, but that's done now.

    All other incentives vary by region, which is why its important to input your zip code on the buyatoyota.com website.

    cg11- I personally wouldnt get an LE with aftermarket leather. I'd rather find one with side curtain airbags, cause leather isnt going to mean much if an SUV plows into the side of your car. This is where the Accord holds a clear advantage over the Camry, IMO. In any case, you have to be comfortable with what you pay. What someone else is paying matters only for comparison purposes- the objective isnt to beat the best deal, simply to get one that you can afford, and is fair.

    Happy Turkey again!

    ~alpha
  • drakelawdrakelaw Member Posts: 2
    Were looking at leasing the 2005 Camry SE with the following options and would like to know if this is the best deal. I have shopped around and this is the Best I can do but wanted to know what you all thought:

    2005 camry se auto:
    16" wheels
    side air bags
    conv. pkg b
    rear spoiler
    mats
    soor sill enhancments

    3 year/36 month
    12,00 miles yr/ we will buy at end
    Total cap $21695
    residule $12026

    payments with taxes $295.01 per month

    first month out of pocket $450 (includes lics fees)

    This is abuot $300. over invoice with no $1000 cash back. My understanding is they dont do that on Leases. Is that correct?

    Thanks!
  • bernie3bernie3 Member Posts: 48
    How good the deal is that you've been offered is hard to answer on a lease scenario. Every lease I've heard of costs more than buying when you factor in the residual, or "buy out" cost. Pricing your SE as a purchase on Edmunds, that car should have an invoice price for the car and options, including the destination fee, of about $20,731 -- using a southern CA zip. You'd have to calculate it using your dealer's zip. That price does not include whatever rebate applies to your region, which also can be found by entering your dealer's zip. In CA the rebate is currently $500. Apparently it is $1,000 in some areas. I haven't been tracking SE prices since I've been shopping the LE, and I may buy an LE in southern CA next month, and I expect to pay less than invoice, based on buying experiences at two or three dealers that have been posted here. SE's are a thinner market so maybe they don't sell below invoice.

    The $20,731 price does not include whatever the cost is for mats and "soor sill" (door sill?) enhancements, since they aren't listed as stand alone options in Edmunds. It also assumes $328 as the cost of 16" wheels based on either of the aluminum wheel options.

    Since you state you intend to purchase the car at the end of the 36 month lease, you'd have to calculate the probable interest rate you could obtain on a purchase loan, use that to determine what your pricipal balance would be at the end of 36 months of payments, and add your buy in and residual costs to the balance to see what you're paying for the car. Even that won't be an exact comparison.

    I never could figure out why a person would lease instead of buy, unless a person just wants to change cars every three years and is content with having a perpetual car payment. I'm self employed and have the ability to write off vehicle costs and I've never leased. You might ask your tax guy whether a lease is your best option.
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    is almost always an extraordinarily proposition.. you'll end up paying tons of interest, and over what is likely to be 8 years or more.

    I would seriously reconsider that.

    Leasing makes good sense if you want the security of having a new car, drive a reasonable amount of miles, and dont have money for a down payment on a new car. Leasing makes terrible sense if you're putting anything down for Capitalized Cost Reduction, or you have high signing fees... at which point.. .you could have just used the money to make a down payment.

    Or, if, as mentioned, you just really need that new car feeling every three years and have enough money to support that addiction.

    ~alpha
  • yogotmilkyogotmilk Member Posts: 3
    Because the payment is what we can afford right now. In a little less than 2 years our Expedition will be paid off.

    The money factor on this lease is .00003 which equals out to an interest rate of .072% Not to bad for 3 years. And then we can pay off at the end.

    If we were to buy our payment would be about the $380 range and it's just to steep.

    But thanks for your input!
  • drakelawdrakelaw Member Posts: 2
    Does anyone know if you lease if you are intitled to the rebate also?

    Thanks

    Shane
  • ben8ben8 Member Posts: 4
    A long and tough experience today, in phoenix, see 72 hour sale on newspaper, arrived at 7:00 am,first costmer there, find the two car with the stock number on ads although took me 1 hour , test drive, chose one, then the dealer started to play game, they didn't want to sale on the ad's price which is 16448 plus fees, they claimed that the 16448 is only the basic price, they had adds as mat package for 180, 299 for tint window, 599 for apperance package, these packages didn't show up on Ads at all, so I insisted they should honor their own ads price, I talked with sale person, argue with two other sales manager, and then complained to costmer relation manager, and sales dept director, and even asked to see the general manager which they said was out of town. finally they offered to charge only 299 for tint window. This lastet almost 3 hours and I was so tired, several times I stood up to leave and several times they asked me to leave, finally I received the offer and rejected any option they would give at cheap price, just tired of arguing. the OTD is 18790 for a 2005 camary LE and I paid the cash. guess what happened next, they refused to wash the car before I drove it away.I think the price is OK but I don't to play it again. When I leave, I noticed the other ads car was still that, maybe the other person want to play with them. It's camelback toyota in phoenix and the ads is on arizona republic.
  • bernie3bernie3 Member Posts: 48
    At $18,790 OTD you did well, aside from the lengthy song & dance you had to endure. The window tint is probably a good idea in Phoenix. I'm curious though about the math. If they honored the $16,448 price and you only paid $299 over that, your price would be $16,747. That's $2043 less than your OTD price -- which seems a lot for sales tax & mandatory fees. What was the breakdown?
  • ben8ben8 Member Posts: 4
    too tired yesterday, make some mistake, the Ads price on Arizona Republic was 16488, tax is around 1350, 350 reg fee, and 290 handle fee, 5 title fee, then total became 18790.
  • yogotmilkyogotmilk Member Posts: 3
    Anyone???

    Please!
  • peterpanpeterpan Member Posts: 120
    You did well with this deal despite some extra work. You should be happy!

    My extended family bought quite a few advertised cars in Southern California. We never ran into any dealers that tried to weasel more money out of us.

    When you run into similarly unscrupulous dealers, take all information down in writing, then advise them you would contact the State Consumer Protection Agency, the local Better Business Bureau, attorneys to file claims against false advertisement....Chances are they would immediately honor their deals rather than risking embarassing and expensive law suits.

    Good luck with your new car.
  • lukeskylukesky Member Posts: 3
    I got this quote, paying cash...should I wait for an Xmas sale?

    05 Camry LE
    19,xxx from Japan
    21,165 with "dealer options"

    $16,995 Sales Price
    $ 600 Dealer Fee
    --------------------
    $17,595 Out the door +TTL (200+6.5%)

    PLease give me some feedback...

    1- Should I wait till the after Xmas sale.
    2- Should I ask for the side airbags verson at that price?

    Thanks!
  • peterpanpeterpan Member Posts: 120
    No!!!! I did not invent these new airbags!

    They are what the industry usually calls FRONT, SIDE and CURTAIN AIRBAGS. Your face, torso and head are the parts they are supposed to protect in case of accidents. Toyota has the $500 GY option which inludes all airbags for front and rear occupants.

    Just imagine how much pain and potential damages can be done to various parts of your body in an accident, with the loss of time and earning, perhaps even the loss of some precious lives, you will probably agree the $500 GY option is money well spent!
  • yogotmilkyogotmilk Member Posts: 3
    Anyone?
    Still trying to get a response to ? #1529
    Thanks
    Shane.

    Buying on Monday
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    Usually not. Typically, the companies will run lease deals along with purchase incentives, but they are not necessarily tied to one another. Leasing is a good deal trickier.

    ~alpha
  • mcgirl0730mcgirl0730 Member Posts: 78
    Made in Japan? How did you pull that off? I didn't know they still imported Camrys from Japan. Had I known that, I would have bought one made from there instead of Kentucky.
  • magic1688magic1688 Member Posts: 10
    I saw a basic 5 speed manual transmission 2005 Camry at my local Toyota dealer (Maryland) yesterday which is made in Japan. The VIN number starts with "J".
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    Most if not all 5M vehicles come from Japan.
    Our 2000 Camry LE 4A was actually also from Japan. There was no difference in quality between that and our 1997 Camry, which was the first MY of that generation, and was built at TMMK.

    ~alpha
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