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Neither does the CR-V (Combustible Recreational Vehicle for those of you just tuning in
My Mazda6 has had zero problems or recalls. Does that qualify as perfect to you? Can I criticize now too?
Oh wait, CR, JD, IC, etc. didn't give it all of their awards so I guess it must be junk. But it's my junk and it puts a big fat smile on my face EVERY SINGLE DAY. The Escape does the same thing for my wife and that my friend, is all she wrote.
Define "terribly".
It does better than a similarly equipped Escape. If the Element is terrible, what word describes the Escape?
2. What is the recommended regular/severe schedule for filter/oil change? 3K? or 5K?
3. How much oil do you usually add BETWEEN oil changes?
Thank you.
2. 3K
3. None. Sometimes it could take about a half quart near the 3k mark but not often.
Make : HONDA Model : CR-V Year : 2004
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 04V255000 Recall Date : JUN 02, 2004
Component: AIR BAGS:FRONTAL
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 130617
Summary: ON CERTAIN SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES, THE WIRE HARNESS OF THE DRIVER'S FRONT AIR BAG WAS INCORRECTLY WIRED.
Consequence: IN THE EVENT OF A CRASH, THE AIR BAG INFLATION RATE WOULD BE INCORRECT, WHICH COULD INCREASE THE RISK OF INJURY TO THE DRIVER.
Remedy: DEALERS WILL REPAIR THE WIRING. OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN ON JULY 6, 2004. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009.
Notes: HONDA RECALL NO. P34. CUSTOMERS CAN ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION’S AUTO SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-DASH-2-DOT (1-888-327-4236).
Baggs, you are wrong on the oil amount.
IT is 5.5 quarts with filter for the 3.0 Duratec V6 in the Escape. Check your handbook. Please, do not overfill your oil, it will cause you problems. I change my oil about every 3-4K miles. After 47,000 miles I have never had to add any oil between changes.
Nope. The old one's require 5.5 quarts. The '05s require 6 now. It's all in the manuals.
The frontal crash tests have always been five star from the NHTSA and "Good" from the IIHS.
Perhaps you were thinking of the 1996-2001 CR-V? That vehicle scored 5 and 4 in the NHTSA and only "Marginal" in the IIHS test.
Supposedly all '05 Escapes have an oil cooler now. Maybe they improved upon that same part from the one that was bolted on to the older models, with the tow pkg., and somehow it requires the extra .5 quarts of oil.
All I know is that my dealer filled it with 6 quarts, because I let them do the first oil change, and so will I when I start doing them myself. The manual says to do so.
Engine fires on a miniscule percentage of CR-Vs seems to get you excited to the point that oyu go to threads for a vehicle you don't own to tell the rold about the conspiracy, etc.
How about a buckling A-Pillar on EVERY '01 Escape sold? How come you don't go screaming like Chicken Little about that one.
Is it because you own the vehicle as opposed to the CR-V which you don't own? Seems to me someone likes to spread untruths about one vehicle and when someone else posts documented findings about their vehicle they are (to use someone's favorite expression) swept under the rug.
To use another of someone's favorite sayings. It's all over the internet. The early Ford Escapes have safety issues. Both structurally and mechanically.
People in glass houses...
So all SUV's tip? The article didn't mention any others tipping to the point that they won't recommend the vehicle. But they found that with Escape. As for what magazine? Do you not read posts before you respond? Or do you just choose to ignore what is written? The magazine was listed.
But of course the NHTSA and the magazine are wrong and you are right.
Now lets talk about the rear tailgate of the CRV and its horrific crash issues. How about flying chunks of glass from a shattering tailgate window? or the huge repair bill on the 5mph rear bumper crashtests??
Drive62, the fire issues on the CRV are REAL. They are all over the net and I see new issues by the day. You are one of those that want it to just go away. You intimidate anyone that enters the CRV fire issues board. You hope these people will just go away. I am surprised that you think it is ok for a car company to hide its defects just because it has a silver "H" on the hood. CRV has a problem and you want to hide it..
tidester, host
As for intimidation. LOL. I post occasionally, even saying that other years of the CR-V should be looked at but I'm the ultimate Honda supporter?
And also you are wrong about the Escape. A buckling A-pillar does not make a vehicle safe. I'm not sure which is a bigger issue though. A potential fire from a poorly done oil change or a vehicle's passenger cabin being compromised in a frontal crash?
Try as you will to make the Escape look unsafe the NHSTA still rates the 01 Escape as 5 star in every category but 1. Even here at Edmunds it is rated just fine.
Kind of funny how when the shoe is on the other foot. Now the CRV is having issues you come out swinging. I cannot understand why someone would defend a car company that is trying its best to hide a serious issue. At least Ford did a recall for the stalling issue and FIXED it..
Here is another one I found out on the net. Honda is doing a great job at hiding these and keeping these quiet.
NHSTA campain # 04v25t000, Jun of 02. 130,617 CRV's affected for air bag issues..
And why is it that, in your view, only Honda can do a great job keeping them quiet. Come on scape2, recalls are public info. If the news media wants to report it, it's their choice.
go figure
Not sure what newspaper someone reads (but I do know their comprehension skills) but my newspaper (one of the largest in the country) lists current recalls every week.
Do specific newspaper articles really need to be written about every recall? Owners are informed. That seems sufficient.
Scape just because you haven't heard or seen it in the media doesn't mean it wasn't reported. Your theory proves nothing.
Scape2, you're '01 Escape has been trouble free, I'm happy for you. But you and snowman really need to get off your soapbox.
I am just passing my observations, whether you like/believe it or not. Giving a news on a prime page is different than giving it on a side column.
And you are very naive not to think that big corporations manages what media publish (or may be don't know how corrupt capitalistic system works). The biggest income source for media is the ads that they get...
And honestly, I don't give a rat @#$ what is going on with Honda and it's products...
I'm not on any soapbox, though I know you believe I am solely because I own a Honda. Unlike you, I don't have an agenda here. You're mission seems to be to pop the suppossed (according to you) Honda quality bubble.
< And you are very naive not to think that big corporations manages what media publish (or may be don't know how corrupt capitalistic system works). The biggest income source for media is the ads that they get >
I've worked for large corporations all my life so I know how these things work. My take is all auto manuf. are large corporations with as much influence as each other on the media. Your take is that there is a Honda conspiracy theory going on.
< And honestly, I don't give a rat @#$ what is going on with Honda and it's products... >
Good. Then why are you wasting your time posting. I care about Honda products, as well as Toyota, Ford, GM, Harley's, Dodge, etc. All are fine companies.
tidester, host
Oh really, then tell me what my agenda is, huh?
Honda quality is down the drain already, look at problem forums. You’ll see many complaints about almost every make and model of Honda
So you don’t need me to burst so called “the quality” bubble
"Good. Then why are you wasting your time posting."
Besides of the point that I post wherever I like to post
I am here to respond CRV crowd’s baseless allegations against Escape. You CRV guys having extreme problem to accept the fact that Escape is much better vehicle than CRV.
Engine fire...
Vehicle pulls right...
Airbag Recall....
Must be nice to have a "Honda quality" ...
No further comments...
Have fun cleaning those!
Not very sporty either IMOH. They look like they belong on a Mercury.
< Oh really, then tell me what my agenda is, huh?>
I did that in my last post. Go read it again.
< Must be nice to have a "Honda quality" ... >
As bad as some of the Honda bigots are here (we both agree on that), you are just as bad as they are. But you just don't see it!!
Enough said, sorry Host.
Isn't Mercury supposed to be a step up from Ford?
Honda really must start doing a better job covering these up if it's such common knowledge.
"You CRV guys having extreme problem to accept the fact that Escape is much better vehicle than CRV."
Better why? Because you say so. If you take towing out of the equation there really is no clear cut advantage.
Engine stalling while driving...
Seat Belt Recall...
Lets face it they've both had problems. Buy what you like and if that's an Escape in your case then so be it.
That depends. Content wise you can get a little more in a Mercury but you pay for it. OTOH they also tend to be "softened", and therefore less sporty, to appeal to older folks.
When I see busy wheels like those above I always think of my dad's Sable. The leather is a little softer, the stereo a little better, and the ride a little softer than the Taurus' of that day. However, the wheels on the Sable are very detailed and require a toothbrush to clean all of the tiny crevices. The Taurus wheels were a simple, yet sporty, 5-spoke design.
I take things like that into consideration because I'm the sole car washer in our house and I like to keep the vehicles as clean as my time allows. Spending extra time on the ground cleaning wheels does not make good use of my time.
For comparison's sake check out the Mariner's wheels. I wouldn't want them either.
http://www.mercuryvehicles.com/vehicles/mariner/
b/c I am a car enthusiastic but very limited people come here and read those some thousands postings.
"Better why? Because you say so"
No, sales figures talks...
As of 09/2004:
Escape 140,718
CR-V 109,985
Truth be told, the Escape didn't start selling at the current rate until Ford started paying $1,000 - 2,000 to each person who bought one. That's when Escape sales took off. The fact that Ford buys many of their cars as fleet vehicles (for their rental companies) also inflates Ford's sales figures.
I had once that my Toyota car hit the curb, then the car drove over the curb by the front passenger tire. The car was fine. No any damage. While the CR-V didn't drive over the curb (although it has higher ground clearance), but it pushed the tire at passenger side towards to the back. It makes me feel that CR-V really like made by "paper", not by metal. So CR-V will be total impossible to drive on wild road.
I think my next car will be either Ford Escape or Tribute.
You are so unhappy with your CRV, why don't you just bite the bullet, take your losses, and go buy an Escape or Tribute like you mentioned? Life is too short.
-Quick acceleation and good offline torque
-Better than average passing power (a must in DC)
-Comfortable seats (was in the car for about 200 miles)
-Decent legroom (driver was 6'6", and their was plenty of room behind him for my wife)
-Very quiet ride. Much better than my 03 Altima SE even at acceleration.
-Thought the interior was a little low grade with regards to the materials, but not excessively so (but then again for the price it is not bad).
-We took the vehicle (4x4) offroad and was impressed with the way it handled mud/grass.
Too be honest, I have never been a Ford person. I have always favored Japanese vehicles (big time Nissan family, and very haapy with them). But, I have to admit that I was very impressed with this vehicle. So much so that I will seriously consider either the Escape or Tribute when I decide to purchase a new vehicle. I was leaning towards a Subaru Outback, but I can save about 6K if I go with the Ford/Mazda...
-Thought the CRV had quite a bit of functionality
-Plenty of legroom.
-Quick off the line, but power was not always there when trying to pass.
-Seats were uncomfortable after about 30 minutes in the car.
-Not a fan of the placement of the shifter.
Overall, I thought the CRV was a well thought-out automobile and drove well. HOWEVER, the dealer was awful. They were extremely arrogant, and while they seemed fairly knowledeable about the vehicle, they were not helpful. The biggest issue I had was the markup they had on the vehicle (about 1.5K OVER MSRP!) The salesman told me that this is somewhat negotiable, but that the car was in demand and they could pretty much sell it with the markup. Wrong answer. Walked out the door. This is the third different Honda dealer I have been to in the last 5 years and every experience has been similar.. Not the same with Nissan, Ford, and Mazda dealers I have visited.. Honestly, this is the biggest reason why I would not give Honda my money... Are you listening Honda???
My .02 cents..
I used to wash my dad's 87 Taurus LX (the car I learned to drive on) with the "basket" wheels. I tried everything to get the brake dust out of those nooks and crannies but the only thing that worked was a toothbrush or a bottle brush.
Plus it had white walls that needed cleaning too!
The '05 Escape wheels are worlds cleaner than those on the older models. Plus our Limited doesn't have the OWL tires so cleaning the wheels takes about 2 min. per wheel. It was about 5 min per wheel when we had the '02 Escape with the OWL tires.
But, there's not much the manufacturer can do in this. If enough stupid people are willing to pay 1.5K over MSRP, then dealers will charge that.