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I'm not saying the base model necessarily competes with some of the leaders in this segment, but getting one with the tech package for, let's say, mid to high $20k's is a pretty compelling package at that price. Though you'd be going back to FWD, which based on where your heads at, may not be compelling at all.
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2017 911 C4S - 2025 BRZ - 2023 A6 Allroad - 2024 Genesis GV60 - 2019 Cayman
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2017 911 C4S - 2025 BRZ - 2023 A6 Allroad - 2024 Genesis GV60 - 2019 Cayman
@breld, I really like the TLX. Excellent interior, and I like the way it looks. That is also on my short list for next car in a 1.5 years (and yes, probably slightly used). Though unlike many of you here, I would get the FWD 4 cyl. version. Plenty of scoot for me, and lighter on it's feet, plus cheaper and better MPG.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Living with the CVT for 16 months and a little over 25K miles, I'm pretty impressed with it. Those who don't know (the wife) think it is a traditional automatic transmission (plus I'd get the eye roll if I tried to explain otherwise). It is very linear & smooth. It doesn't drone as some reviews suggest (trust me, I'd know). It also makes the most of my Legacy's meager 175 hp.
A CVT wouldn't deter me from a WRX
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
We let you buy an E30 BMW with an automatic, but now this is getting out of hand.
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But a WRX needs to have a stick shift. Not an AT of any kind.
Kyfdx has my back on this!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
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2018 430i Gran Coupe
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
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2018 430i Gran Coupe
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2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
Yeah....nice thing about Acuras (and Hondas in general) are how they retain their value. I know the brand is going through a bit of an identity crisis, but as Bradd says, they are good value when discounted as new cars. Matter of fact, tough to find a better value at $35k-$42K.
TLX-S would be a very nice addition. Not sure how Acura is positioning their turbo technology, though. Seems as if they're sticking with turbos only on their 4 cyl motors.
My s4 has 29k and change and in for the 35mile service - cost for Audi recommended is 1100 with a transmission flush plus filter and some other filer services. I will be paying around 500 for basically an oil change after declining others mentioned. It's been at the dealer for 2 days now as they try to find a volume button replacement (it fell off). Something to be said for Acura Infiniti Lexus service and pricing.
The 2016 Audi A4 s type or whatever it's called is a nice looking car but in auto form with 2000 dealer miles my loaner is kind of a sled at best. Inside its amazing - comfortable but it's no sports sedan, in fact it's kind and of a snooze while waiting for the turbo to kick in.
Oh and my car was backed into by the neighbors mini van a week ago- nice front side quarter crease - will post pix after the dealer finds a volume knob.
Its a shame you don't live closer to me. My guy was a top guy over at Ray Catena MB / Audi dealership in NJ. Stuff like you mention would be a fraction of what dealers are asking if he did the work. Find a good reputable mechanic for flushes, brakes, rotors etc. $1100 ouch. I usually sell all my Bmw and MB by there 4th yr. My wife's 12, ML 350 has 48k on the clock and has no problems. Not going to push it but looking to upgrade her ride within this year.
Next gen Q50 should be a better model . 2017 not sure . Great lease deals on the 16 models.
23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
...but not $1100 as the OP mentioned. Also the kinds of services included in that price are probably less labor than the service from the 1970's.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
he has that as his "next car" still, with next car being the next one after the one he gets a year from now!
say that 5x
Any change coming down next year on the Q50 or 70 ?
23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE
did sit in the TLX again today. a really nice car. Super comfy seats. Really need to drive one eventually.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
http://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook/top-25-sales-of-the-arizona-auctions?mag=cdb&list=nl_dvr_news&src=nl&date=020616
Maybe the difference between dating a wildcat (leasing) and marrying to grow old with (buy and keep for 10 years)?
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I was honestly surprised at how good it was. The car is about the same size as an E36, which suits me perfectly(a main sticking point on the Mustang was its size). It has just about every option save the the Helen Keller Package(Blind Spot Monitoring, Lane Departure warning, etc.). It's also an automatic, but being the Sport derivation of the ZF HP8 I can live with it(in any event, I still have the Club Sport and Wrangler to keep my left foot in practice).
What do I like?
The transmission actually does what I want it to do in Sport+/Manual mode- every other BMW automatic I have driven has tried to second-guess me- including the B7 press loaner I tested a while back. Think: electronic full manual valve body, for any older drag racers out there. Durability should be decent as the M235i Racing gets essentially the same transmission, albeit with more aggressive software.
The Adaptive M Suspension literally transforms the car when you toggle into Sport or Sport+. It's almost like two different cars. I've never driven a BMW where the EDC or AMS made such a huge difference.
The standard M Performance Power Kit really eliminates the turbo lag; with 330 lb-ft of torque available from 1300 rpm it almost feels like some of the big block Chevys I drove in my misspent street racing youth. Fuel economy is hovering around 25 mpg, which is more than good enough for me.
Michelin PSS in a staggered setup are standard. No run flats!
The sports seats with adjustable bolsters are excellent as expected. It's no wonder that BMW NA is making them standard fitment in many US models; the base seats in newer BMW are only good for generating business for chiropractors.
The H-K audio is good enough that I don't feel like I have to tweak it right away.
Dislikes?
The steering could use a bit more feel. That said, the effort and ratio(s)-Variable Sport Steering is standard-is very good.
I agree with Bob Harper fromBMW CAR : the IP needs oil and water temperature gauges instead of the "///M 235i" graphic that illuminates as soon as you open the driver's door
The brakes are great but the pedal feel is somewhat wooden.
No LSD. I will definitely have to add one sooner than later; at half throttle it will light up the rear tires in Comfort mode with DSC fully enabled.
Track time will have to wait a few months. The 2ers first outing will be at Putnam Park- which is my "home" track. I'm too old to attempt to learn a car and a track at the same time. It will also see at least one night at the local 1/8th mile strip- might as well test the Launch Control...
A couple of people asked me to compare it to the E30 M3; the 2er is not as light on its feet and it lacks the "hard-wired to the synapses" experience of the original M3. However, it is very comparable to the E46 M3 in terms of handling and braking. Power in contrast, is more akin to that of the E9x M3 at least from a usability standpoint on public roads. In any event, I can easily see keeping this car for a decade or more. Who knows when/if Munich will build anything RWD in this size class again?
So... Is it worthy of an ///M badge? I'd say it's closer to an "is," but that said, most everyone has forgotten that the first M car based on a production model was the E12 M535i- which boasted the M30 3.5 motor from the E24 635i along with an upgraded suspension, an M body kit, and aggressively bolstered front seats. Sound familiar?
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
One guy bought a 2007 Shelby GT500 for $20K over sticker. He put the $20K down, then paid off the rest of the car over 5 years. He maybe put 5K miles on it. Traded it in a year after it was paid off for a new Jaguar FType R coupe.
Another guy I know paid $10K over sticker for an '09 Challenger SRT8. He got rid of it maybe 4 years later with less than 10K miles.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
My friend with the Challenger got slaughtered though. To him it doesn't matter. They've got a tree in the back yard.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Have you had enough seat time in other recent model sporty cars to judge other "adaptive" suspensions with the M235i? I didn't notice hardly any change in a Lexus IS350 for example, and it had 4 different settings! The S3 only has 2 truly different settings; definitely noticeable. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a different car, but even in a short test drive, it was a good difference. If these adaptive suspensions don't add significant weight; I'd say they are definitely worth it as a Win Win.
Very similar similar systems that use various sensors and switch settings to modify jounce and rebound settings on the shocks. The GM's magnetorheological suspensions are more sophisticated and versatile, but I haven't had much experience with them. I haven't driven that many cars with adjustable damping aside from BMWs, and the M235i system makes the most noticeable difference that I've experienced.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
How long do you suppose it'll be before used M235s are in the $30K bracket?
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
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Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
I just said no owner would expect to have to replace bulbs in under 4 years or 50K miles. They didn't try and charge me; said it was a $300 bulb.
This was the headlight that was replaced by a body shop; so not original. I"m going to go with not a coincidence, and blame it on the body shop/accident rather than Audi. That's how I'm chalking this one up, and appreciate Audi covering it without making me deal with the hassle of going back to a lousy shop. I do realize the shop used an Audi derived OEM replacement part, but I have my reasons.
Isn't this 2 indicator errors in 2016 alone for me? First windshield washer fluid issue, now a burned/broken bulb. When is Audi going to learn how to make a car :P LOL.
Maybe this is a sign I should join Chronic Car Buyer's Anonymous before a 3rd indicator error light comes on (besides low fuel).
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive