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  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    brian125 said:

    The G90 reviews on Edmunds (old Euuis ) are not as good as the G80.

    Any body have any behind the wheel time on below 16 / 2017 vehicles. Looking for any negatives before I test drive ?

    1- E400
    2- S6
    3-550i

    The 550i with the n63TU engine has known issues stay away from them even though the N63Tu is the updated version of the N63 engine it still has problems. Its a great car but the engine has known issues.

    The S6 has gotten great reviews.
  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    roadburner said:

    I just confirmed the info with my NCM; our center isn't expected to see a G30 until late January.

    When can people start to order the G30?
  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    flightnurse said:

    brian125 said:

    The G90 reviews on Edmunds (old Euuis ) are not as good as the G80.

    Any body have any behind the wheel time on below 16 / 2017 vehicles. Looking for any negatives before I test drive ?

    1- E400
    2- S6
    3-550i

    The 550i with the n63TU engine has known issues stay away from them even though the N63Tu is the updated version of the N63 engine it still has problems. Its a great car but the engine has known issues.

    The S6 has gotten great reviews.


    Tks............ My next oil change going to ask the service mgr. I know for years about any recent issue's. Sons looking to buy a 2017

    @roadburner.......... Agreed about The M sport X-5 x-drive 50i . I wanted to buy one but

    1st problem was My wife's ML350 is fast approaching 50k looking to dump it soon .

    2nd reason was If I had some balls in my senior years I'd a bought one. :worried:

    Like the old saying goes a happy Wife is a happy life. I could just hear her saying every time she got in the M X5, 50i........................ Do you know what we could do with that extra $$$.. ?

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    I like the color combo on this X5 / m

    https://www.dubicars.com/2016-bmw-x5-m-x-drive-50i-56147.html

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    YOU want info on the N63 engine issues

    Read this

    and

    This

    Lots of info on the problems, the issue with the N63 happens with the X5 50i, 650, 750's.

    It will be interesting to see what BMW has done with the G30 and the engine.
  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    I can honestly say I had a good run with limited problems with my 2 older bought new Bmw 750's ( 95, 2000 ) and now on my 3rd X-5 ( 08,12,16)

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,325
    flightnurse said:

    roadburner said:

    I just confirmed the info with my NCM; our center isn't expected to see a G30 until late January.

    When can people start to order the G30?
    I will find out and post it.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    brian125 said:

    I can honestly say I had a good run with limited problems with my 2 older bought new Bmw 750's ( 95, 2000 ) and now on my 3rd X-5 ( 08,12,16)

    Wow you really dodged a bullet on the 7 Series....good for you!
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,325
    The G30 5er can be ordered immediately. Our earliest build date is week 51.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • jpp75jpp75 Member Posts: 1,535
    I rode in an uber early Thursday morning on my way to the airport. The car was a black Hyundai Genesis, an older model but I couldn't tell how old but what impressed me was it had 139k miles on it and was smooth and quiet as a new car. I was impressed with the ride given the amount of miles.
  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    Tks @roadburner post thoughts after your 1st test drive. I have a golf buddy interested next year when he comes out of his lease

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,325
    brian125 said:

    Tks @roadburner post thoughts after your 1st test drive. I have a golf buddy interested next year when he comes out of his lease

    Will do!

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited October 2016
    @roadburner are you familiar with the Ray Catena auto group out in NJ.

    Ray's got some auto business out here. I know him for over 30 years met him when he had a small dealership in NJ Cox Cheverlot . We've been good friends ever since. This guy is a sweetheart compared to the ruthless owners out there with his kind of $$$. I joke with him all the time about how much work and money is enough. He's got to be worth close to a BIL. His land Rover brand has a lot of problems with customer complaints and defects. .

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    I am. He's got a couple of places in Freehold that I have been to. I test drove the RX350 and GLK350 at the Benz and Lexus dealers there within the past couple of weeks. Salesguy at the Lexus dealer was very very good.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • sdasda Member Posts: 7,580
    flightnurse said:

    YOU want info on the N63 engine issues

    Read this

    and

    This

    Lots of info on the problems, the issue with the N63 happens with the X5 50i, 650, 750's.

    It will be interesting to see what BMW has done with the G30 and the engine.

    That's sad. There is a handsome looking black 750 iL that I saw last week pulling away from a stop light belching blue smoke out the exhaust. It reminded me of my Vega years ago.

    2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited October 2016
    qbrozen said:

    I am. He's got a couple of places in Freehold that I have been to. I test drove the RX350 and GLK350 at the Benz and Lexus dealers there within the past couple of weeks. Salesguy at the Lexus dealer was very very good.

    Q what years did you test drive ? which did you like better

    I was in the Audi dealership in Freehold last month . Its the largest Audi showroom in the country. Rows and rows of Audi's on display . 100k, 120 k, 130k plus on these vehicles window stickers.

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    brian125 said:

    qbrozen said:

    I am. He's got a couple of places in Freehold that I have been to. I test drove the RX350 and GLK350 at the Benz and Lexus dealers there within the past couple of weeks. Salesguy at the Lexus dealer was very very good.

    Q what years did you test drive ? which did you like better

    I was in the Audi dealership in Freehold last month . Its the largest Audi showroom in the country. Rows and rows of Audi's on display . 100k, 120 k, 130k plus on these vehicles window stickers.
    Let me guess, an A8, an S8, and an R8?
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    Looks like they shuffled the line up inside but yes when you walk in you see these beautiful A/S8, RS7's, TT, Q7's , SQ5's scroll down on my pic of the dealership showroom floor. The line has changed or this is when they 1st opened. Last I was in there they has a red and silver TT side by side. Sharp and sharper.

    http://www.dealerrater.com/dealer/Ray-Catena-Audi-Freehold-review-105122/

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    This one is better Ray Catena

    Audihttp://www.app.com/story/money/business/main-street/2015/02/26/ray-catena-audi-freehold/24052807/

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    @stever

    I heard Isellhondas lost his Edmunds 19yr retirement badges and 80k posts . Think he would mine if I stole 4 more of his now 10 posts onto my column so I could get my Edmunds 5k comments mug and tee shirt.

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    And yes I lost 3yrs off my 2001 start date to. I might of had a different name thou?

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    No, everyone (I think) got sent back to 2001 with the software switch.

    (and if you really want a mug, send me a PM with an address....)
  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    Only if it comes with a fine bottle of Scotch :smile:

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    brian125 said:
    I am. He's got a couple of places in Freehold that I have been to. I test drove the RX350 and GLK350 at the Benz and Lexus dealers there within the past couple of weeks. Salesguy at the Lexus dealer was very very good.
    Q what years did you test drive ? which did you like better I was in the Audi dealership in Freehold last month . Its the largest Audi showroom in the country. Rows and rows of Audi's on display . 100k, 120 k, 130k plus on these vehicles window stickers.
    2013 GLK, and I think 2010? Rx350. I was really disappointed in the Lexus. Although the interior was nice, it drove/felt like a much cheaper vehicle. GLK drove great but I just could not get comfortable in it. 

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,347
    I found the GLC to be a nice upgrade over the GLK comfort and interior wise. I would be real happy with one of those. Not that it will be in my budget for a long time.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    stickguy said:

    I found the GLC to be a nice upgrade over the GLK comfort and interior wise. I would be real happy with one of those. Not that it will be in my budget for a long time.

    GLC is high on my wifes new ride list. I priced a 2017 w leather, premium pck, Sport pck,, heads up display and upgrade surround sound. Pricey at 50k. The Selenite grey which we both like was a $720 color option.

    @Qbrozen Sat in the newer model GLK cant get comfortable at almost 6'2. Did find the 2016 Ford Edge to be comfortable with plenty of ft room/ hip room. Have never drove one thou. Plan on taking mrs brian125 for a few more pit stops before deciding on something for her. She liked so far X-3, MDX, GLC, Highlander

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    Actually I just looked at my spread sheet the 17 GLC I priced was invoiced at 51k.

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    brian125 said:

    I can honestly say I had a good run with limited problems with my 2 older bought new Bmw 750's ( 95, 2000 ) and now on my 3rd X-5 ( 08,12,16)

    The BMW you owned didn't have the N63 engine, this could be one reason for no issues.
  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    roadburner said:

    The G30 5er can be ordered immediately. Our earliest build date is week 51.

    But you can't build one on BMW website and the pricing guide has not been released.
  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    qbrozen said:


    2013 GLK, and I think 2010? Rx350. I was really disappointed in the Lexus. Although the interior was nice, it drove/felt like a much cheaper vehicle. GLK drove great but I just could not get comfortable in it. 

    When we were looking for Rick next car, we drive a 2015 RX350, and was very disappointed in it, there was no refinement in that thing. There was no sound deadening, the ride was horrible, and the interior screamed Toyota. The NX we drove was far better but was too small.
  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    stickguy said:

    I found the GLC to be a nice upgrade over the GLK comfort and interior wise. I would be real happy with one of those. Not that it will be in my budget for a long time.

    We went and looked at the new C coupe and while at the dealership looked at the GLC impressed with both, a big upgrade over the GLK. 50K seems to be the price for a well equipped SUV.
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,325
    flightnurse said:

    roadburner said:

    The G30 5er can be ordered immediately. Our earliest build date is week 51.

    But you can't build one on BMW website and the pricing guide has not been released.
    That's up to BMW NA; I'd think that the information will be released in the very near future- but I'm just guessing.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • tlongtlong Member Posts: 5,194
    brian125 said:

    @stever

    I heard Isellhondas lost his Edmunds 19yr retirement badges and 80k posts . Think he would mine if I stole 4 more of his now 10 posts onto my column so I could get my Edmunds 5k comments mug and tee shirt.

    Well I'm just over 5K and I aint seen no stinkin' mug or tee shirt!

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    tlong said:

    brian125 said:

    @stever

    I heard Isellhondas lost his Edmunds 19yr retirement badges and 80k posts . Think he would mine if I stole 4 more of his now 10 posts onto my column so I could get my Edmunds 5k comments mug and tee shirt.

    Well I'm just over 5K and I aint seen no stinkin' mug or tee shirt!

    Contact @Edmunds they put @stever in charge of Mugs / shirts / buttons. If you agree to put him up for the weekend he'll drive it to you :smile:

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited October 2016
    I'm looking for accommodations in Manhattan, Aspen, Malibu.... Oh, and San Fran. :p
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I have accommodation in three of those, but I'm not sharing....but there's probably a couch for you in Santa Monica. B)
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Ha, see if I mail you any more Edmunds pens. :D
  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191
    edited October 2016
    I just stumbled on a great ELLPS - Volvo S60/V60 R-Design trim. 305 horses, very nice cabin, all goodies included, around 50 grand sticker. Just drove one, nice steering feedback, better than first intallment on F3x 3-series (improved by now, but still), nice suspension. Drives as well as my 328, it is a bit faster, AWD. Looks good, too. Lots of value. I may be really tempted to save some money versus 440 Grand Coupe, or even 430. Volvo always has some good incentives, or I could also take Overseas Delivery, which doesn't have them, but you get two ticketsvticket on Premium Economy with SAS (4 grand value, I know for a fact), full concierge experience in Goetynburgh and hotel stay. That's more than BMW's ED.

    Nobody thinks of Volvo in terms of performance, cause their base trims are targeting different audience and focus on family and fuel economy. They've always had performance trims, but no marketing behind them, therefore nobody knows about those.

    2018 430i Gran Coupe

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    stever said:

    Ha, see if I mail you any more Edmunds pens. :D

    It broke already. :'(
  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    dino001 said:

    I just stumbled on a great ELLPS - Volvo S60/V60 R-Design trim. 305 horses, very nice cabin, all goodies included, around 50 grand sticker. Just drove one, nice steering feedback, better than first intallment on F3x 3-series (improved by now, but still), nice suspension. Drives as well as my 328, it is a bit faster, AWD. Looks good, too. Lots of value. I may be really tempted to save some money versus 440 Grand Coupe, or even 430. Volvo always has some good incentives, or I could also take Overseas Delivery, which doesn't have them, but you get two ticketsvticket on Premium Economy with SAS (4 grand value, I know for a fact), full concierge experience in Goetynburgh and hotel stay. That's more than BMW's ED.

    Nobody thinks of Volvo in terms of performance, cause their base trims are targeting different audience and focus on family and fuel economy. They've always had performance trims, but no marketing behind them, therefore nobody knows about those.

    We looked at Volvo the XC60, at the time the tickets were only coach, I'm not sold on the supercharge and turbo charged engine. I like the S90 but they need more then a 4 cyl.
  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191
    XC60 is still only one line. That's the thing - most dealers didn't even stock R-line trims, so one wouldn't know about their existence without more extensive research. The salesman told me it's getting a little better after acquisition of Polestar, but will surely take time to get any following. Plus, those are much more risky models to stock, more expensive low volumes.

    Regarding engines, everybody does strange stuff with engines today. Tripple scrollers, super/turbo charger mixes, batteries. It's just fact of life, especially on European brands.

    2018 430i Gran Coupe

  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,120
    @stever....if you bring some Edmunds Shwag with you, I'll let you camp out on my porch, but only if you hand our candy tonight to all the little terrors.....er.....angelic little children!
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    dino001 said:

    I just stumbled on a great ELLPS - Volvo S60/V60 R-Design trim. 305 horses, very nice cabin, all goodies included, around 50 grand sticker. Just drove one, nice steering feedback, better than first intallment on F3x 3-series (improved by now, but still), nice suspension. Drives as well as my 328, it is a bit faster, AWD. Looks good, too. Lots of value. I may be really tempted to save some money versus 440 Grand Coupe, or even 430. Volvo always has some good incentives, or I could also take Overseas Delivery, which doesn't have them, but you get two ticketsvticket on Premium Economy with SAS (4 grand value, I know for a fact), full concierge experience in Goetynburgh and hotel stay. That's more than BMW's ED.

    Nobody thinks of Volvo in terms of performance, cause their base trims are targeting different audience and focus on family and fuel economy. They've always had performance trims, but no marketing behind them, therefore nobody knows about those.

    I've heard of and looked at them briefly. I believe I looked closely at a S60R that seemed on paper like a pretty close competitor to the S4. Unfortunately, I think it is more like an A4 competitor. It just doesn't win on any specification. And then I believe I saw that they put some rather small skinny 225 or 235 rubber tires on it (not 100% sure which on as it was a while ago). Base S4 starts at 245, with the upgrade wheel using 255. My wife's Sportwagen has 225. That's not a deal breaker as I like after-market wheels anyway, but to me it is a sign of how the engineer's really feel about the performance of their vehicle.

    Now, I hope some auto exec doesn't read this and start a tire size war.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    Not much talk in the last 2 months..

    BMW has finally released the prices of the new 5 series, as I figured the base MSRP for the 530i went up 1 grand. It appears that is across the board, pricing guides and ordering guide will not be released until after the Detriot Auto show where the car will shown.

    http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=957126
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,325
    edited January 2017
    We just got our first two G30s- a 540i xDrive M Sport and a 530i xDrive Sport Line(shown below). I've driven the 530i and I like it MUCH better than any F10 I have driven. The car feels a lot faster than I expected. It's still a bit too big for my tastes but it's really an impressive drive.


    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    roadburner said:

    We just got our first two G30s- a 540i xDrive M Sport and a 530i xDrive Sport Line(shown below). I've driven the 530i and I like it MUCH better than any F10 I have driven. The car feels a lot faster than I expected. It's still a bit too big for my tastes but it's really an impressive drive.


    Why were you doing head/handstands when you took those pics? :smile:
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Now those are some sticky tires!
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    edited January 2017
    That's a very nice good-looking blue on the BMW 5-Series. If Kia's blue on the Optima was more like that and less Purple/Violet, I'd have selected it!
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,284
    roadburner said:

    We just got our first two G30s- a 540i xDrive M Sport and a 530i xDrive Sport Line(shown below). I've driven the 530i and I like it MUCH better than any F10 I have driven. The car feels a lot faster than I expected. It's still a bit too big for my tastes but it's really an impressive drive.

    Are those the "new" 5-series introduced at NAIAS earlier this month?

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,347
    That is them.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

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